(first posted 5/4/2012) How many truly original cars are there? Here’s the test: take any car, and one can almost always find their antecedents or inspirations. One that stands out is the Citroen 2CV: no one had ever built a car remotely like it. Its suspension is so unique and unlikely that it alone qualifies it, never mind the rest of the car. The 2CV makes the Model T and Volkswagen look downright conventional, which they mostly were. One might be tempted to say that the whole era of French automotive originality and eccentricity began with the 2CV. Yes, many copied it or were influenced by it, but it copied no one.
The 2CV was the engineer’s dream job. To create the ultimate in automotive minimalism is a huge task; in many ways much more demanding than creating a high-end car. And for much of the first half of the automobile’s history, it was a recurring quest. And a very difficult one to get just right; most tended to overshoot or undershoot. The 2CV nailed it.
Some have compared the 2CV with the Ford Model T. While it’s true that the T ended up being a bit like the 2CV, putting a whole generation on wheels for the first time, it didn’t start out that way. In 1908, the Model T was not minimalistic at all, but a very modern and highly capable “full-sized” car for the times. Ford’s ability to mass produce it at ever-lower cost is what made it so accessible.
And the Volkswagen had a different brief too: to transport a middle-class family comfortably on Germany’s new Autobahns at 100kmh, with a fuel consumption of 7 L/100km (35 mpg) while doing so. It was a scaled-down Tatra streamliner, a bit too much so, actually. A fine design with excellent engineering, but not all that long on originality.
The 2CV had a brief too, but one quite unique: “an umbrella with four wheels”, that would carry four farmers and 50 kg (110lbs) of their goods to market, at 50 kmh (31 mph), using 3 L/100km (78 mpg). And have a suspension so capable, that no eggs in a basket would break if it was being driven over a freshly-plowed field. And be as cheap as the dirt it had to traverse. How would you like that to be you marching orders?
The 2CV was the result of the Michelins’ takeover of Citroen in 1934, after the firm faltered from the heavy cost of introducing their Traction Avant. Pierre Michelin felt that Citroen was too dependent on upper-price level cars, and initiated the TPV (Toute Petite Voiture – “Very Small Car”) project.
The engineer placed in charge of the TPV project, André Lefèbvre, was experienced with racing cars, and had developed a philosophy of suspension design that put him in the avant garde. He was an exponent of a rigid body and of long-travel suspension that would keep the wheels planted to the road no matter what the conditions; although freshly plowed fields probably wasn’t what he had in mind before the TPV.
A number of TPV prototypes were built in the 1937 – 1939 period, using a brilliant but very complex suspension with no less than eight torsion bars. Here’s how it’s described at wiki:
The suspension system used front leading arms and rear trailing arms, connected to eight torsion bars mounted beneath the rear seat: a bar for the front axle, one for the rear axle, an intermediate bar for each side, and an overload bar for each side. The front axle was connected to its torsion bars by cable. The overload bar only came into play when the car had three people on board, two in the front and one in the rear, to take account of the extra load of the fourth passenger and fifty kilos of luggage. It was designed by Alphonse Forceau. This suspension system did not make it into the delayed and redesigned production car.
Probably a bit too complicated and expensive. But highly original indeed. Take that, Packard! And all this in an “umbrella with four wheels”.
The TPV was all set to go into production in 1939 when a certain bit of nonsense intervened. Many of the prototypes were destroyed, to keep them out of the hands of the Nazis. A few were stashed in barns. And the engineers had time to mull over what changes they might eventually want to make to it.
After the war, France’s new Socialist government and semi-planned economy directed Renault to focus on small cars, and Citroen on medium-largish ones. But Citroen did develop the definitive production version, including a change to an air-cooled boxer twin, with all of 375 cc and 9 hp. And by 1949, the 2CV was given the green light for production.
Although the eight-torsion bar suspension was axed, the production 2CV’s suspension was just as capable, if not more so. The super-long travel and ultra soft springing remained, but was now accomplished by two sets of coils springs mounted in cylinders horizontally alongside the platform chassis, and connected to the individually-suspended front and rear wheels via bellcranks and pull rods. That alone would have made a very advanced system.
But there’s more: the cylinders in which the coils travel is not fixed, but have springs of their own, which allows them to move, thereby creating the first (I believe) active suspension. When the front wheel hits a bump it compresses its spring, but also moves the cylinder forward some, which in turn pre-loads the rear spring. This tends to both keep the 2CV level, despite its ridiculously soft springs, and is effective in controlling front-aft pitching.
The suspension is not interconnected side-to-side, which does mean the 2CV tends to really lean in corners. And it’s ridiculously easy to rock back and forth sideways, as we used to delight in doing as kids whenever we saw one parked on the street. We just couldn’t believe how soft it was, and how wildly we could rock one.
Amazingly as it may seem, 2CVs do not tip readily, despite their wild angles in hard cornering. Thanks to a super-low center of gravity, and none of the abrupt transitions that rear-engined and swing-axled cars like the VW and Corvair exhibited, the front-wheel drive 2CV just hangs in there, and its wheels hang down there, as if glued to the pavement. The fact that the 2CV helped pioneer Michelin’s new steel-belted tires only added to its grip. Like so many exotic things French, one has to experience a 2CV to appreciate it properly. It’s an acquired taste, for most.
The 2CVs suspension and configuration ushered in a whole new era; in France, long-throw soft suspensions became almost ubiquitous, and defined cars from there for decades. The Renault R4 was a blatant rip-off of the 2CV, but a bit more modern and powerful, and became a best-seller for seemingly ages.
Citroen developed the basic 2CV into several offshoots, including the odd-ball Ami 6 and the slightly-more palatable Ami 8 Break, like this one.
Alex Issigonis was heavily inspired by the 2CV’s suspension in developing the Hydrolastic suspension. And I wish a dollop of the 2CV’s suppleness had found its way into my harsh-riding Xb.
Enough on its suspension; lets take a look at some of the other original aspects. The 2CV pioneered what every engineer will tell you is the most rational, advanced and logically ultimate configuration: a boxer engine ahead of the front-driven wheels. This became the sign of uncompromised advanced cars ever since: the Panhard, Lancia Flavia, Alfasud, and of course Subaru. Low center of gravity; unparalleled smoothness, especially for a twin; maximum space utilization, am I forgetting something?
Oh yes; the boxer twin idea itself wasn’t original; and BMW’s motorcycle twins were already legendary. So the fact that the 2CV engine bears more than passing resemblance to it is not a coincidence. But it was worth studying the BMW’s design: the 2CV engine has enjoyed a stellar rep for longevity, right from the get-go. In the fifties and sixties, when many European small-car engines often lasted no more than 50k miles before an overhaul, the 2CV engine could go three times that far. The French rep for fragility is often misplaced.
Of course, the early ones were very un-stressed. With 9 hp, 40 mph was the top speed. With time, the engine grew in displacement and power; by 1970, it sported 602 cc and 33 (net) hp; good for 115 kmh (71 mph). Since 1980, it was rated at 29 hp, which improved economy with little impact on performance (who’s counting?). But a 602cc “Duck” will flow along with city traffic well enough, with proper rowing of its umbrella-handle gear lever.
The cooling fan is directly mounted to the front of the crankshaft, and there is no thermostat-controlled adjustment, so it tends to runs cool in cool weather.
That explains the plastic “muff” that 2CVs sport in the winter months, to try to generate some sense of warmth from its heating system for its occupants.
Speaking of, another brilliant aspect to the 2CV is its four doors and room for four adults and a decent trunk. This really sets it apart from all the little micro-cars that were all the rage right after the war (and some well before it); most were little more than motorized sidewalk toys. The 2CV was a tall boy, a CUV a half-century ahead of the times. And erstwhile Chrysler President K T Keller would have been proud of the 2CV’s “father” Pierre-Jules Boulanger, who insisted that its roof be raised because he liked to drive with his hat on.
And more brilliance inside: the 2CV prototype’s seats were truly hammocks, suspended from the ceiling. BTW, this and so many other aspects of the 2CV’s design was all about weight (and cost) saving. The TPV was planned to be built mostly out of aluminum, but the rising cost of that metal forced a change to steel, and innovative ways to still keep weight down, like the “corrugated” body panels on early versions. The efforts paid off: the 2CV weighs in at around 1200 lbs (560 kg), a phenomenally low weight, given its roominess.
The production version used “lawn-chair” type seats, with easily replaceable cushions available for $29.95 at every WalMarché in France.
Here’s how they look in our featured car, which is legally registered as a 1969 model, but looks (mostly, at least) to be more modern than that; probably from the eighties or so, and imported from Belgium.
Now that’s an instrument panel I can get behind. No touch screens, but plenty to touch.
Its owner, Geoff Koerner, is a professional gardener and has owned this forsythia-colored 2CV for a dozen years. There have always been one or two 2CVs in daily use in Eugene.
For a long time there was a charming retro Charleston model. I had a crush on it for years. I could really see having a 2CV; it just speaks to me a bit more than average (which is saying something). I fit in one well (they are very narrow but tall), and it makes a perfectly good around-town scooter.
And I love the idea of rolling down that giant fabric roof on sunny days; this looks just like Oregon, heading up into the mountains…at a leisurely pace. Who’s in a hurry? Never in a 2CV. This is a car that forces one to slow life down; the 2ZEN.
That at least in part explains the 2CV’s appeal to European youths from the late sixties on, when it became what the VW Beetle was in the US. The Beetle never was much of a counter-culture-mobile in Europe, because too many kids grew up in one. But the 2CV really spoke to the younger generation, and became an icon.
Especially so, the Fourgonnette Van, which became the European equivalent of the VW hippie bus; a rite of passage for 1970s German college graduates was to take one across the Sahara, or some other exotic expedition. This one was shot more recently at the top Emigrant Pass near Death Valley (image: expeditionportal.com).
The Fourgonnette was highly original and extremely influential in its own right. It created the whole category of light vans based on small cars that has become a huge category on most parts of the world, and includes the Transit Connect.
The 2CV’s story could go on almost endlessly; so many variants; so many possibilities, so much goofiness, so much passion by its devoted cult of owners. Like this twin-engined 4×4 Sahara model, of which a few hundred were built. But mine has to end, and this is a mighty good place to do so. But feel free to keep adding to the story; it’s really just barely begun.
Ahhh…the 2CV, one of my favorite cars of all time! I saw my first one in San Francisco in 1970 and on the big screen in “American Graffiti”. The two-toned paint is a gem and a work of art. The French truly out-Volkswagen’d the Germans for basic transportation!
I always wanted to drive one – bet it’s a lot of fun even if not for a daily driver!
Outstanding write-up! Thank you.
Now where’s that PV544 Volvo I’ve been waiting for…
I have a 2cv 6 and yes they are a blast to drive. Acceleration is rather slow and the engine has very little torque, so on even slightly hilly roads you have to plan your gearchanges carefully to keep your speed up. However, the gearshift sticks right out of the dash readily to hand and it is a dream to shift. On corners the car leans, and leans some more on its soft suspension but grips amazingly and is highly predicatable. The soft suspension and remarkable seats make for a really comfy ride, if you can stand the incredible racket from the engine.
Some cars are interesting on the outside, some underneath. This one is charming in every detail, inside and out, though I wouldn’t be brave enough to drive one around here.
I’d be afraid of being flattened by a Canyonero driver on the phone. “Sorry, must have hit a squirrel, what were you saying?”
Great writeup for one of the all-time great cars. I lived in Paris from 1989-97, a bit past the heyday of these machines but at the time they were still common as dirt, along with Renault 4s.
In many ways, IMO, these make more sense than something like the Smart for urban areas, except maybe for the amazingly tinny body; the French routinely park by ear so almost every one I ever saw in the city was pretty badly banged up front and rear.
Random triva: the character played by Richard Dreyfuss in American Grafitti drives a 2CV, although it only shows up in the first few minutes; he basically parks it at the drive-in and leaves it there until the very end of the movie. Seems like there could have been a hilarious scene with him attempting to chase down the blonde in the white ’57 T-Bird in it, if only someone had thought of it then.
Edit: I see Zackman beat me to the punch.
Reminds me of the car chase in For Your Eyes Only where Bond is chased while in this (highly unlikely) vehicle. 🙂
Except that one had a 1300cc four from a Citroen GS under the hood. That’s a fairly common swap; it’s basically the same engine with two more cylinders.
Heh, heh. Very true. Even then the chase was somewhat… unrealistic… shall we say?.
Paul, you do get around. So the GS as I remember had an overhead cam, while the 2CV is ohv. Other than actuation, I think the valve angles were similar, opposed valves etc.
Quite right, in regard to the OHC. But I strongly suspect that the GS engine was nevertheless a direct evolution of the 2CV engine. It’s certainly not a coincidence that the GS engine’s 74x59mm bore and stroke was also used by the 2CV’s engine.
That’s exactly where I saw one of these for the first time. Couldn’t help but be impressed by the little car. Still want to see one up close and in person.
I still dream of having a 2CV some day. With gas prices headed north, this classic makes a lot of sense. Actually I’d be just as happy with the Ami-6 variant.
I’d love an Ami, but they’re terribly rare in the states.
Om driving a borrowed Citroen C4 HDI the fuel use readout regularly goes down to 2CV consumption territory, I cant get to my C5 its in a part of the country thats cut off by road and underwater the C4 is nice its comfy to drive but you cant beat the hydra-active of my C5.
Still no sightings of these in the rust belt for the last few decades…
Still no sightings of any French or Franco-American cars in the rust belt like this in the last few decades…sigh.
I went to U of Illinois in Urbana in from ’70 to 74. I remember one 2CV in that dark gray. There were a couple of Lotus Europas, one with rather wide tires. Actually, not a bad time and place for curbside classics.
Yeah, tinworm was bad. My 64 MGB had serious holes in the floorboards. Made driving through deep puddles an interesting experience. Did it at speed. Once.
There’s a 2CV delivery van I see locally once in a while (Southern Cal).
Also saw one at the Cars and Coffee meet in Irvine last time I was there, a little lonely amongst the dozens of Ferraris and Lambos and 1950s American land yachts.
The 2CVs in the sixth photo from the top and the one in the tenth photo from the top look to be Charleston 2CVs.
> …that would carry four farmers and 50 kg (110lbs) of their goods to market, at 50 kmh (31 mph), using 3 L/100km (78 mpg)…
Sounds like the Tata Nano to me. Only the Nano is intended to carry five middle class folk with 100 kg of their luggage, at 100 km/h, in air conditioned comfort, using 4L/100km. Unfortunately it is plagued by an unbalanced parallel twin, in a Rear/RWD configuration. If only Tata had better engine -eering chops! The Nano is probably heavier and safer than the 2CV though. It is nearer in concept to the KdFWagen than the 2CV.
I can’t believe I forgot to mention the Nano; it’s obviously the closest modern car to carry out the 2CV mission. It was getting late…
love these, although i have to admit i think they’re a bit “girly.” i’ve often thought, if i move to the country and have the luxury (yes, luxury) of wrenching my own weekend car, this would be it; well, the dyanne actually, but nobody except for me seems to like them. i think the philosophy of the make movement is right: you should be able to understand every part and potentially fix every part of the tools that you use. the 2cv is probably the only car that i could truly pass that test with…
Having passed my driving test 30 years ago in a Dyane, I too love them. So you are not alone. (I currently own the van version, the acadiane)
My partners first car was an orange Dyanne.
He absolutely loved it for its suspension and canvas roof.
So when it was time go buy a new car last year he got himself a Citroên C1 with canvas roof.
He is enjoying his second youth now. 🙂
The 2CV didn’t have a girly reputation in Denmark in the 1970’s and 1980’s.
It was pretty much a “teacher’s car”, and you were almost expected to
have the Atomkraft Nej Tak – Nuclear Power No Thank You – sticker on the back.
It also went by the name “student Jaguar.”
It was the car you would expect to see people drive no matter whether they were uptown, downtown.or out of town people, living in a commune.
The owner would step out wearing anything from a mink coat and oversize sun glasses to trashy jeans.
If you would give it a more masculine touch, you could do this…
(1981)
Or it the canvas top didn’t give you enough wind in your hair, you could do this
spotted in 1990 right south of the Danish German border, on the way to catch the train to the island Sylt.
Even I love the 2CV. I would love to drive one sometime, although that is not likely to happen in the midwestern US. Of course, it would never come close to meeting current emissions and safety standards, but this seems like such an efficient way to transport people. Much moreso than a $40K Volt or a Smart. A car like this (if you could make it) should probably cost about $9k, be rock simple and get 60 mpg. It should sell like crazy. I could very well be convinced to buy one for my daily 2 mile commute and for basic city errand-running. It would not be a very good primary car, but would be a great second car. But what was safe enough and good enough for an entire generation of the French after WWII is clearly not safe enough and good enough for us, so we get air conditioned Volts at 4 times the price instead. Progress.
I just saw my first Nano in the wild yesterday. I’m not sure how it got here or why it was in our area but it did look like a good commuter and much more logical than a Smart.
I’m hoping it’s local so I can get a shot of it when i’m not behind the wheel..
A perfect staple for any art car parade. We don’t have much rust and we still don’t see them on the street. I think thats because it could be a deathtrap on the Houston freeway system. Look hard enough here and you can find anything.
It is funny how you can shake them like a toy, I remember seeing a video about the development of the 2CV from the 80’s, there was a scene where one of the original designers of the car is speaking about the suspension, mind you he’s now an little old man about 70 or so, and he grabs a new 2CV right above the door and he violently shakes it back and forth as if it weighed 10lbs, I will always remember that.
A few years back, our extended family stayed the summer in a vacation rental in southwest France. It was in the tiny village of St. Martin-Laguepie one day that I observed a rather old 2CV bobbing its way into town on a not too well paved street. It was driven by an old man wearing a beret, an unfiltered cigarette (Gitanne?) hanging from his lip and then lounging against the car while he waited for his wife to complete her shopping. All of this with a quaint village as a backdrop. There could not have been a more stereotypical French scene. Sometimes stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.
I guess my point is that I could not imagine this with any other car than a 2CV.
What? No scarfed girl riding a bicycle w/ baguette lodged in straw basket?
None that I saw. But there are always plenty of baguettes either in baskets or under the arm of the baker who delivers them. Anyway, I was too busy looking at cars. In France, the place to find Curbside Classics (without the curbs) is out in the country, not so much in the large cities.
There was a Deux Chevaux meet at the Loire Valley town where we holidayed last year. Here are a few snaps:
Ummmmmmmm…….where?
Five years later….
And…
Not to mention…
Wow, killer writeup on the world’s most fascinating car, thanks!
It breaks my heart that we never see these, and I have virtually no chance of ever getting one…
The Ami 8 wagon version or better yet the 2CV van (Camionette? I forget what they called them now) would be the perfect vehicle for local town and farm use.
I just spend $70 to fill the F150’s tank yesterday.
🙁
Great article, still plenty of Deux Chevaux kicking around in Blighty.
There was a big Citroen meet at the Loire town where we stayed last summer:
Can’t see the Fourgonnette without the image of Inspector Closseau driving one into the bottom of the pool. sublime.
I had forgotten about that scene!
“The production version used “lawn-chair” type seats, with easily replaceable cushions available for $29.95 at every WalMarché in France.”
Price drop! Now $23.67
I hate to be the one to go against the grain.. I don’t find these cars attractive in any way. They aren’t “quirky”, they’re ugly.
That said, I do find the engineering amazing and that they didn’t stray much from their intended purpose over a 42 year run astounding.
I guess it was late to explain the knob under the dashboard- the one that cranks the headlights up or down for load or empty.
Mercedes has some automatic-adjusting headlights available. Typical Cherman- complicated & expen$ive.
Maybe a shot of the early “dashboard”- with the speedometer on the windshield pillar, so that the cable could continue on, to power the windshield wiper(s).
As a judicial enforcement officer I had a funny case – I seized a 2CV in excellent condition ( est. price about 4.000 Euros ) and a debtor …tired to escaped with his Citroen, he overcalculated the suspension grip at the second corner and, sadly, crashed it. It all looked like a scene taken out of Luis De Finesse movie. By the way I think the most original car ever was the Trabant.
The Trabant was very much based on the DKW.
Not quite Paul– AWZ P 70 ( the Trabant`s predecessor ) was based on pre-war DKW. The Trabant 601 ( a Ford T of Soviet blocs ) was a genuinely new contruction – made of kind of plastic with light steel unibody structure. Powered by then ubiquitous two stroke engines, very simple, but not too reliable, with a fully synchronized 4-speed tranny. And it had a four- wheel independent suspension, and handled way better than a 2 CV. Top speed, well say 60 mph, but it`s better not to exceed 50 mph. Driving this car is really funny – I own one.
I know; I know. But it still wasn’t very original. The Lloyd “Leukoplastbomber” used a similar thermoplastic body construction well before the Trabi. And the drive-train and suspension just weren’t anywhere as original as the 2CV.
Yep, so let it be my next classic car purchase.
Not safe above 60mph, really. The 2CV is on utube there is a vid I watched of attempts to roll a 2CV it was driven at maximum speed then full steering lock applied and all it did was turn, somehow I dont reckon a Trabi would do that.
+1
You can drive down the bumpiest road in a 2CV carrying a dozen eggs and you won’t smash a single one.
I passed one of these parked up on a side street just the other day but was driving and couldn’t stop to snap it for the cohort – nice to see the consummate Gallic oddball written up at long last!
It always surprises me when in France how few of these are left rolling, my memory of France in the 80s and 90s is that it was swarming with these and R4s – the R4s still seem to be plodding on (albeit in fewer numbers) but I see very few 2CVs now when I’m over – or perhaps that’s just peculiar to the Vendée?
The sunroof. Oh that mighty mighty sunroof…
A guy I worked with is from Argentina, and liked to reminisce about the summer after college graduation he spent touring South America with some buddies in a 2CV. Must have been quite the adventure.
I had been waiting for Paul to get around to the 2CV, and, as usual, he has done a great job.
Of all the cars I have owned, the 2CV had the most personality, though the fact that it also saw me through courting and then marrying a wife adds to the affection. Ours was a green ’79 with the square headlamps and, eventually, a green-and-white-striped roof that I had put on to replace the torn original.
There are many memorable stories about the car (named Fiona) but one that comes to mind is the time when my wife and I stopped in a motorway service area for a meal on our way back from Wales to London. In the course of the stop, we got into a potentially relationship-destroying argument (I believe it was about whether or not to have a child) and were in a bad mood when we got into the car. For the first and only time I’d encountered, it cranked enthusiastically but absolutely refused to start. Without any bright ideas about what to do, we sat on the grass for about 45 minutes, kept talking, and wound up feeling lovey again. We got back in the car, and it started up on the first crank as if it couldn’t wait to go.
Some would say Fiona had just been flooded, but I know different.
The Renault 4 we had later just didn’t have the same personality, though its fold-down rear seat was useful.
PLEASE SOMEONE DO A WRIGHTUP ON THE AMI 6 AND SHOW PICTURES ..PLEASE ..ITS SO OUT THERE..AND ECCENTRIC
I like the eccentric look of the 2CV, but always thought the Ami 6 was the ugliest car ever made:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/34107011@N08/3318304257/
I seem to remember reading an article in a car mag some time ago (20 (30?) years maybe?) about being able to buy a knocked down 2CV as a way to get one – I always thought these were way cool. Love the 7th pic – I’ll take one of each, please.
Yes, Road & Track (among others, perhaps) reported on this, and produced a memorable picture of the 2CV Charleston surrounded by ducks (in honor of the car’s German nickname). Meantime, it seems there is an outfit in New Jersey that specializes in 2CV restorations — I’ve been drooling over their offerings …
http://www.citroenimportservices.com/
The 2CV gived us lots of fun in various movies as well. 🙂 In the French “Le Gendarme” movies series with actor Louis De Funès http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXmaCjhLN1Q and as an escape vehicule driven by James Bond (Roger Moore) in “For your eyes only”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJp1X3qiog
One day in the mid ’60s my father and I were returning from the Quad Cities in Illinois to our family’s summer residence in rural IL. Outside of a body shop in Milan, IL, we espied a very straight albeit faded red 2CV. My parents were living in Paris at the time so we knew the 2CV very well. We decided to stop and make an offer on the car. What we would do with it we had no idea, that problem would be dealt with if we got it. We offered $25 for the 2CV. The body shop owner wanted $50. Neither one of us would budge. We continued on our trip home a bit relieved but with smiles on our faces.
I like to think that I have the WORLD’S LARGEST COLLECTION of toy 2CVs. Below are three of my favorites, all Dinky Toys. Click on the photo for a larger view.
Milan IL is right next door to Rock Island where I am located. My dad bought a really rusty 1962-63 356B coupe for parts in about 1992 in Milan. I wonder if it was the same place the 2CV was at? If it was, it was long gone.
In the lot with the 356 there was also a 1966 or so Plymouth VIP four door hardtop and a 1951 Nash Ambassador sedan.
Since the 2CV was too shocking to attract buyers in 60s England, Citroen tried offering a 2-door hardtop model (the Citroen Bijou) with a more attractive glass-fibre body. I only ever saw one at a Motor Show – they turned out to be too expensive and only a couple of hundred were built .
Yes; we did that here a while back: https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/citroen-bijou-turkey-or-less-ugly-duckling/
The only time I’ve ever seen one of these on the road was, amazingly, on L.A.’s Santa Monica Freeway, going at least 65 mph. I didn’t get a close look, but I assume it was one of the later 602 cc models, or it wouldn’t have been going that fast!
Pretty much all of the regularly-driven 2CVs are 602s, except for the really vintage ones. A 602 is exactly as fast as a VW 1200 (71-72 mph), which really isn’t that bad.
Depends on the wind. I once drove on the motorway in a 602 behind a truck and wanted to overtake it. So I went to the left lane and picked up a little speed, moved up to the truck cabin but couldn’t get further than that. Maximum speed was exactly the same as the truck was doing. The truck driver raised his hands as to apologize, and I could do nothing else than to just slow down and go behind the truck again. I think the truck did 60 m/h or so.
Took a few pictures of a gorgeous 2CV in Portland last summer. Meant to use them in a walk n’ talk and never got around to it. I should be fired.
To me, what was most ironic, was seeing how FEW of these iconic cars still remain in France: the only 2CV we saw during our two weeks in Paris was a tourist tour guide car… this was in contrast to my visit in 1978, when I saw dozens of them still in daily use… so sad to see them mostly gone…
There are one or two tin snails here locally Ive only seen late model 2CVs here on the road they are quite rare as a Citroen driver I tend to notice all my cars bros and cuzzies.
How did he register the car as a 69 model. 1980s body on a 69 chassis perhaps?. An importer did that in the 80s before CAFE/EPA closed him down.
Probably. It’s an ’83 body and engine: plastic airfilter-housing, disc brakes near the gearbox and some knobs (wiper) on the dash that were only used in ’83 (i had one before i bought a last French 2cv in ’87: still drive that one, turned into a ‘break’). Over here, in the Netherlands, a car that has a chassisnumber from ’69 and is rebuilt in, for example, 2017 will be registered as a ’69 2cv. That is, if the ’69’er was still officially existing…
Well that was a pleasant surprise seeing the pic of the car with the extreme lean-angle! Having grown up in the Freiburg area in Germany it is possible that I have seen this exact car at one time or another back in the day! (FR on the plate means it was registered in the Freiburg area and that is an old-style plate) Thanks Paul!
Great writeup Paul, thanks! That was my parents’ first car (like most of the French babyboomer generation’s). It brought me home when I was 3 days old, it took us to school, to the market, and even on holiday all the way to Spain in 1970. I remember the drive from Madrid to Toledo, the summer heat was such that we drove with the doors slightly open in a vain attempt to get some air. It never (and I mean never) broke down. Totally iconic car, and definitely one of the most intelligent ones ever built.
The worst thing is, it got discontinued +/- 20 years ago, but I’m pretty sure it would still sell well if reasonably priced – ie. if marketed as a decent, honest, trouble-free, cheap second car, and not as an overpriced faux retro city toy like the Mini or the New Beetle.
Someone pointed that 2CVs have next to vanished from the streets in France today, whereas they used to be really everywhere. Sadly, that is true. Quite a few of them are left, but most are lovingly taken care of and will be used on sunny days only. They are no longer part of the daily traffic as a matter of course like they were before, although that may still happen in rural areas. So the 2CV will never be a “normal” car again. Which also means that (especially here in affluent Luxembourg where I now live), as a headturner and crowdpleaser it will beat a 100 000 euro-Porsche Panamera anytime, heh heh heh. Especially if you’re driving one of these great two-tone Charlestons.
BTW, can’t help mentioning here that, as some of you probably know already, a 1965 2CV fetched an incredible 59 000 euros at an auction at the latest Rétromobile motor show in Paris in February this year. That’s right, 59 000 euros, which is about SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND US dollars.
OK, so the car was a very rare US version bought new in Beverly Hills in 1965. OK, so it had gone about 100 (genuine) miles since new. But it’s a 2CV, for God’s sake, not a Bugatti. Something that was designed to take 2 peasants and a goat to the market, and which you could fix with wire and a nail clipper . What do you do with a 78 000 dollar 2CV? Store it in a vault in a Swiss bank? Exhibit it in your air-conditioned living room and forbid anyone to sit in it? Beats me. Either I missed something, or 2012 is fruitcake time as far as popular classics are concerned.
To drive a 2CV correctly it has to be ‘thrashed’ at max or near max throttle all the time. With such low power it’s understandable in order to keep up momentum, however I was told that the horizontal twin actually lasts much longer when driven hard- Can anyone explain this? Perhaps lubrication works better at high revs? I imagine there is no oil pump, so it’s a splash lubricated crank case. The 2CV has a very distinctive sound, that and the sound of a Morris Minor changing gear remind me of school days!
Oh but it does have an oil pump, it even sports a build up crank, with drilled conrods that supplies the underside of the pistons with oil to cool them down, it even has an oilcooler. The camshaft sprocket is spring loaded to prevent backlash.. Actually a mighty fine little engine that can be heavily tuned, and is often used to power ultra lights. You have to remember that even the 602 with it’s 29DIN/32SAE HP had to live it’s life at wide open throttle, all the time..From scorching Africa to the coldest climate in Finland, wide open at 5700-6000 rpms. And they still last 200.000 miles.. When i say that they can be tuned, we’re talking 100hp at 8500…On stock bottoms. They’re that sturdy and well built
There’s one of these in Pasadena that I see once in a while. (There’s one of just about everything in Pasadena that you see once in a while–a ’48 Hudson, a Lancia Aurelia roadster…lots of disposable income and a mix of interesting tastes.) Usually parked at Ralph’s.
I have owned a 2cv dolly for approximately 25 years. It has been an absolute workhorse. I had a hotel and it dealt on a daily basis with laundry, cash and carry and all sorts of jobs like transporting trees from the local nursery.
Mechanically they are simplicity itself and fun fun fun. The handle which removes the wheel is also a cranking handle for starting the car, and still works!
All my friends either love or hate it, but most have used it at some time or other.
I also own a 2cv special which is even older. This one is fully restored down to the last nut and bolt ironically the Dolly starts and drives better. I love them both they have given me hours of pleasure.
I own a 1978 2 CV which had been involved in an accident (not my fault). The car was fully insured and I had it completely restored, including a new chassis (galvanized so it won’t rust) by 2CV pour toujours in Vancouver. It’s absolutely stunning and it’s the only one (so far) in the Okanagan (Brtish Columbia).
My relationship with a 2cv goes back to the 60ies. I drove my first before being legal age to drive. Later on I found myself working on them for couple of years so I always owned one. When I met my wife, she always had a luxurious car but I always kept a 2cv as second car. our honeymoon was along western Europe in an old 2cv we purchased for 250.00 dollars and sold it back to original owner for 125.00 at the end of our trip. We went through France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Luxemburg, back to Germany, Suiss, Back to France. Those were cars with small 425 cc 18 HP engines,
6 volts electrical systems, suicide doors and sometime wipers operated by the speedometer cable.(when the car wasnt moving the wiper had to be cranked by hand)
When i arrived to Vancouver Canada and built my life here inever stopped dreamming of having a 2cv again. Then, after 20 years the destiny or God (your choice) threw one at my feet. It was my favorite model, since i always wanted the new one, my favorite red colour, excelent condition and cheap. The owner preferred American classic. I thought that if you ask for something, its thrown at your feet and you don’t pick it up,you loose your right to ask. Now, for four years I drive it with a smile on my face, causing lots of other people to smile. There is probably around 60 of 2cv owners in Vancouver and I don’t know them all but already build some amazing friendships.I just wish we should meet occasionally and arange some trips together.
I hope you like my views.
Enjoying cars is to me all about understanding their designers and differences – among country cultures that evoke different design criteria ………. they each have their strengths – for the French, it is to seek the design path least travelled and to travel it comfortably – of my French rides my 2CV based 1971 Citroen Ami 8 Break shown attached is the queen of different and that is compared to a couple confirmed weird(s): a 1959 Deutsch Bonnet HBR5 & a 1939 Peugeot 202 Decouvrable. Fun is provided to the user of course but more importantly to the passengers or observers experiencing one for the first time – another round of smiles please 🙂
The Michelin tyres used on 2CVs were Michelin X radials from the early 1950s and were not steel belted. Michelin owned Citroën. I think steel belted radials were invented by Pirelli.
I’m afraid you have it backwards: Michelin invented the steel belt radial, and Pirelli (and others) used fabric belts, until switching to steel eventually.
From the Video Reference section on the 2CV Wikipage.
”The Tin Snail”—Equinox Science Series, British Channel 4 Television. 1986. This programme was originally an hour long and features detailed information about the design and engineering of the 2CV, along with interviews with the then surviving design engineers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd8klplbIAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q30zUHSK28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJntJYuBAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbn40MO7M5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwHci0iR2As
Citroën 2CV Sahara 4×4 Look around the car and a short test drive. Czech with English subtitles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpodMNktmu0
2CV Off-roading Langdale 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl0qyHXvbFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pybYp4ml3nQ&NR
BBC Top Gear Land Rover vs 2CV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcQ-7hIuOQ
TPVs at the Citroën Conservatoire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6zvCc8p9cFE
Moving a TPV at Michelin, Clermont-Ferrand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgFrCe5qFt4
BBC The Car’s the Star – Citroën 2CV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trGz2hD-2VA
Retrieval of three barn attic find TPVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeejTG2rM4
Film of Production of the last 2CVs in 1990 at the Citroën factory in Mangualde, Portugal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU70ekyF25E
Video of a CAD model of 2CV engine operation
A bit late to the comment section on this, but another interesting aspect was that the engine was “square” with equal bore and stroke. It had no distributor with the points on the crankshaft. Thru a dual wound coil, both spark plugs fired simultaneously, one of which would dry fire. Oh yeah, and the cam was driven by a split chevron gear (coincidence?) that was spring tensioned so that as the gear wore, the valve timing would never change. And it had no connecting rod bolts. Being 2 cylinders, they merely heated the con rod/bearings and cooled the crank and slid the rods onto the crank. There was no removing them once the temps equalized. Rebuild kits came with a crank/rod set.
My first ride in a 2CV variant was at the local Citroen dealer in Cleveland, Ohio. It was a plastic bodied Mehari, which was even lighter than the 2CV. We pulled out onto the street, which was being repaved so there were raised manhole covers and abrupt transitions in pavement level. I braced for the first one and–Nothing. I didn’t feel a thing. Hard as it is to believe, that “ultralight” ironed out those road surfaces almost as well as the DS!
And one last thing about the suspension. In the diagram above you’ll see a cylinder mounted at each wheel. Those are inertia dampers. They have springs and a weight in there tuned to the frequency (or some useful harmonic thereof) of the main springs. That way, when hitting a bump, the internal weight was going in the opposite direction of the wheel, thereby damping wheel bounce. Very effective, even more clever.
@Terry David and other 2CV drivers.
So for rough roads, like unpaved gravel etc., would you say 2CV was comfortable ride on those conditions? Good ability in evening out the rough stuff?
Very late response, sorry
Even my steel sprung Xsara gives a nice ride on rough roads, wheelspin can be an issue if the turbo spools so its best to just lug the motor on gravel roads but its happy at 1200rpm in any gear and pulls well from there, but Citroens give a great ride no matter the conditions.
This link to an original Citroën repair manual as a PDF was posted in the 2CVGB forum.
http://www.classic-citroen-tech.co.uk/models/model-content/2CV/816-1.pdf
Lukas: I own both 2CV and Trabant, and whilst I can appreciate the engineering principles of both, I’d have to disagree with you on the handling. The 2CV remains rolly but composed and predictable in all weathers, by the Trabi is lethal in the wet!
Please gentelmen, do a CC on Citroen GS , that car is the evolution of 2CV, a good sample of French school of car design.
Comparing Nano with 2CV does not seem rational, they have not the same design criteria and objectives.
Nano is to be compared with the Original Fiat 500 but not the 2CV (place for 4, Rear engine rear wheel drive, etc .
Paul – keep your eyes peeled. There is another 2CV running around Eugene. I was following it on the way to work a couple of weeks ago. The owner parks somewhere around 8th and Charnelton – maybe in one of the parking garages there. Main color is beige (I think), and it’s a newer model, not a real old one.
I have seen this car as well as a red one. it was at 2 different times at the same location. Ok they were not exact same location but in the same short downtown Vancouver block of Homer street below Hastings. both times I had taken out my camera in some excitement while coming walking down Homer towards Hastings and both times they pulled away before I could get a picture. I am glad to say I finally had a chance to see one at a French/Italian car show in the Vancouver area
The car is briefly seen in the movie” Indecent Proposal” staring Demi Moore and Robert Redford. No wonder her character wanted an affair with the Robert Redford guy instead. I remember seeing these cars all over Europe. They were more popular than the VW Bug. At the time I thought they only had 2 horsepower engines, 2 cv. My dad said that’s impossible because he’d seen them keep up speed with our VW bus, not known for speed and power too.
yes i was rated at 2hp, BUT they were fiscal horsepower, not brake horsepowers. First series had 9bhp (well if you consider SAE as being real hp) , the later versions had up to 29hp (32hp(SAE)). All French cars of that era had a CV rating in their name, for instance the Renault 4CV, or the Traction Avant 15-six (15 tax horsepower and 6 cylinders).
Common mistake on the 15-Six: it was actually a 16 CV, they called it 15 for commercial reasons.
The 2CV itself became a 3 CV tax rated car with the 602cc engine.
I became obsessed with 2CVs during our family visit to the Netherlands in 1979, for my souvenirs I was allowed to purchase a pair of die cast 2CV models.
I didn’t get to ride in one until I was in Argentina around 1995. I was waiting for the taxi after work and some of the plant engineers came around in a 2CV and asked if I wanted a ride so I squeezed in.
A truly original 2CV here would have a “Nuclear Power No Thank You” sticker on the back. 🙂
What an amazing car and creative problem solving approach. It astounds me that Citroen was able to go in two completely different directions in solving the problem of the automobile with the DS, this car, and the Traction Avant: The DS and Traction Avant were highly complicated, sophisticated automobiles and this was sophisticated and high technology in its complete lack of complexity.
I don’t think something like this would sell today; from what I have read the Tata Nano isn’t doing very well and consumers worldwide are far more sophisticated and once they are ready for a car are ready for some creature comforts. Back when this car was popular it was this or a bicycle; today’s consumers face many more alternatives. And of course it takes almost the same number of workers and probably almost the same labour input to assemble this as something far more complicated. It takes less to run and maintain it though.
It’s really hard to conceive of a car which better hit its target and better accomplished all of its intended goals than this one. The Beetle was an excellent car but that purpose could possibly have been filled by something else; nothing else was a 2CV and nothing else could have done its job.
I have always been fascinated with this car and the ingenuity built into it. Another neat trick the suspension does is it lengthens its wheelbase with added weight.
I seem to recall hearing that when a writer complained about how the 2CV just didn’t compare well to modern cars the response was that it was designed to compete with horses. That it did compete with modern cars was just a bonus.
The other story I recall hearing was that to reduce fears from people that the long suspension travel meant the car would be tippy Citroen offered a reward to anyone who could roll one on flat ground. Eventually someone claimed the prize. He was a large man who stood up on the seat and threw himself against the roof rails through the sunroof while spinning the wheel with his foot. No word on his injuries.
Sigh, such is the world of anecdotes.
Two things: No, there can never be another 2CV. A modern 2CV would weight twice as much. No one was thinking about crash safety much back then. You could smash a 2CV into a fire hydrant at 15 mph and die. Or get T-boned and also die. You can crash a Smart into a wall at 60 mph and come out OK.
Second: I don’t understand why modern car engineers don’t do anything creative to make short wheel base cars ride better. The 2CV and many Mini/Austin Americas or whatever various names they called them had linked front and rear springs. Energy from the road applied to the front wheel was also transmitted to the rear wheel on that side so to a degree the whole side of the car rose instead of only one end, reducing pitch. Who wants to ride in a super short wheelbase car like a Smart with high forward-back accelerations bobbling your head back and forth? It’s the worst thing about a small car.
One time I was driving my (40 year old) ’62 Continental on the highway at about 65 over some less than ideal pavement areas. It had a pretty crude live rear axle suspension system. I thought – weight and wheelbase, that’s the ticket, as a cruised serenely through it.
Brilliant little cars. There were two Charlestons running around the Research Triangle area of NC, where I used to live, one red/black and one gray/black, which I’d see occasionally on nice days. I’ve seen precisely one 2CV in my four years in Richmond, a blue one.
It’s the kind of car that will always put a smile on your face…
It would have been interesting seeing Citroen in a better position to properly update the 2CV into a more suitable classic, like Volkswagen and BMC / BL considered many times with the Beetle and the Mini respectively.
Envisioning such a car being a composite of the Citroen 2CV Super and Citroen 2CV Hatchback projects, which while using 950-1400cc GS/C60-type Flat-4 engines (as was planned for the Citroen 2CV Super prototype) would also utilize a 700-750cc+ Flat-Twin at the lower-end similar to the Flat-Twin considered for the larger ill-fated Project F.
All things considered though quite a number of Citroen 2CV tuners had managed to enlarge the Flat-Twin engine to as much as 700-850cc (via the 652cc unit), would have been fascinating to find out whether the Citroen 2CV Flat-Twin was capable of similar levels of enlargement roughly comparable with Flat-Twins from the likes of Panhard (848cc), DAF (848cc) and even Toyota (790cc).
I purchased a 2CV6 in 1970 while living in Europe and drove it 130,000 Km over a period of four years. It cost about $1,000.00 US new and I picked it up at a depot outside of Paris. It never let me down and was without a doubt the best car I have ever owned…People find that hard to believe but it is true. It could carry about anything in it by rolling the roof back and sliding off the trunk lid. I did crazy things in that car that many other vehicles could not do both on and off road.. in snow, ice, and mud. Brilliant design. Great memories. Zero repairs except for a set of vis platines (points).
Absolutely unbeatable car in a rural environment. I had a job working for a trekking company. I’d take down eleven tents, stash them in the 2CV, drive across a bumpy field and transport them 10 miles and across the next bumpy field to re-erect them (yuppie trekkers).
The top had a transverse central bar to support the canvas roof. Sometimes our friend Hank the artist, who lived in a van and came to visit once a week for a bath and an all night session of D&D, would take the kids out for a run to the coast whilst we were at work. They loved riding with Hank as he let them stand on the back seat holding onto the roof bar, so I found out years later.
A friend had the van version with side windows. They had window sills ideal for a flower arrangement and framed by gingham curtains. You don’t get accessories like that in modern cars. If you thought a standard 2CV was slow you should try the van. One of the few vehicles that made you aware to the wind direction.
An entertaining ‘drag race’ in a suitably lumpy field between older and newer 2CV’s. From Top Gear, with Chris Harris. They do love their cars.
There are many things on the 2CV that are different but one that is seldom mentioned is the door locks. The door handles on the 2CV rotate to unlatch the door. When you lock the door you would expect that there would be a pin or something similar that would stop the handle from turning, but you would be wrong. That is too obvious. What happens is that the handle becomes detached, so that you can spin it. It is effective, however it means that if you want to unlock it you must use the key and you cannot unlock it from the inside. You can open the door, but it remains locked, meaning it still spins on its shaft. This also applies to the trunk lock, which is a simple quarter turn latch. When you unlock it you sometimes have to turn the handle around a full turn before it clicks in and you can open it.
This takes me back to 1970 when my 1954 model which I bought in 1967 for £35 was going to cost too much on welding needed to pass the UK MOT test, so I sold it to a friend.
When i bought it it had the original 375cc engine,I haven’t read all the post here so don’t know if it has been mentioned that these early models did not have a petrol gauge just a long fibre dipstick for the tank and a motorcycle type speedo on cable sitting up at windscreen level. Instead of the usual flat boot lid it had a French aftermarket humped boot which gave it more luggage space but with a clapped out 375cc engine and 3 friends going on a holiday from London to Cornwall in 1968 we decided to send luggage by train, a wise move….. For our American friends the distance is about 300 miles which took us 18 hours, yes 18 ! we left at about 10 pm to miss traffic and arrive in Mousehole (yes, that’s its name) , a village on coast in Cornwall in late afternoon. Once getting into Devon and Cornwall the roads become very narrow with steep hills. I had to drive up some in st gear whilst they walked up… I repeat , this is a true story… maximum speed I could get out of it was about 40-45, However in London it was a perfect car, traffic would accelerate away at traffic lights and I would catch up by next set of lights and get 60-70mpg. I eventually changed the engine out for a 425, a chap used to bring back a load of old engines in back of an H van from France and one would take pot luck .
Oh, has anyone mentioned that to change a door you released a strap and then lifted it straight up, the pillar was one long hinge, rather difficult to describe, you have to see it done.
Photo here is a curbside shot outside my flat at teh time in Holland Park
and another with me with late ’60s hair
My understanding is that the inertia dampers on each hub are simply a vertical steel tube filled with a specified amount of oil, and a specified weight of lead shot. However, most non-French mechanics overlook the friction dampers built into the suspension arm pivots, which is why many 2CVs will rock from side to side so easily.
While these cars were never common in my part of California, there did always seem to be a few running around, perhaps a two or three times a year sighting, until about 5 years ago. Nothing at all recently. My closest encounters have been drooling over a Dyanne Fourgonnette that was for sale in Monterey this past summer, and helping an elderly French farmer change a flat tire on the roadside in Normandy in 1984. Although he had no livestock, or even visible egg crates, in his 2CV at the time, I suspect he had hauled more than few agricultural items in it in years past.
Several comments indicate a desire to drive a 2CV. If you are ever in southern Ontario, I would be glad to give you the opportunity. I have owned my 2CV for over 30 years and many times I have offered to let people drive it, but with one exception only other Citroen owners have accepted. It must be more intimidating than I thought.
The exception was my mother. She was 75 when I bought the 2CV and she immediately asked to drive it and had no problem doing so. She lived in Ontario and when she was a teenager the driving age was 18 for a regular licence, but 16 for a commercial licence (called a chauffeur’s licence), so of course she got the commercial licence at age 16 in 1931. Her mother never learned to drive so when her father died 2 years later she became the main driver for the family. She always preferred a standard transmission and as long as she had her licence, she drove all my cars including the Alfa 1750 Berlina and BMW 2002.
“there did always seem to be a few running around, perhaps a two or three times a year sighting, until about 5 years ago. ” That’s been my impression as well. Actually, just over the past 5 years or so, many of the old cars you used to see have disappeared. Darn few, of course, after 1974 because of the need to pass the smog inspection. I talked recently to the longtime owner of a 2CV I know who has worked for years at a local dining establishment, used to always see that car parked near it. I asked him “what happened to the 2CV?” and he just smiled wistfully, looking into the distance, and finally looked down and slowly shook his head. I did run into one at a local cars-and-coffee-type gathering last year, the owner (an older woman) let me sit in it, she said she loved it.
I see mention of an early “corrugated” 2CV. Visiting Europe as a kid in the mid 60s I recall what I initially thought were early VW Bugs, and 2CVs and Bugs do have similar lines so there was some logic to my adolescent brain. Eventually I figured out they were 2CVs, but I swear they were corrugated. But I’ve never seen corrugated ones since then. Now it’s entirely possible my memory isn’t crystal clear in all details, it was a couple of years ago, but I’m certain of it to some degree. Anyone know what I’m talking about?
Slightly more on topic, I recall someone daily driving one and commuting to work in a 2CV not more than say 10-12 years ago. Different department with different hours so I never saw who it was to engage them, but it made me shake my head.
All 2CVs up until 1960 had corrugated hoods. After 1960 the hoods were more smooth, but still with some folds in the hood.
Prototype en Action Film : https://www.restauration-voiture.com/2016/02/22/premier-film-du-prototype-de-la-2-cv-citroen-de-1939/
It’s hard not to smile when a chance encounter happens with a 2CV and me; I got to snap this pristine late-model Club 6 last summer in Saint Paul on an equally pristine day:
I loved my A series Citroens, I had three in the 1980s. The first was vert bamboo [green] so known as Kermit, the second a Dyane Weekend with a hatch and folding rear seat, the third a Charleston, two tone rouge delage et noir with chrome bullet headlamps.
Performance depends on load and weather, but it was easy to keep up with traffic. The engine has a comparatively heavy flywheel, get it spinning and drop the clutch and you get to 19 mph surprisingly quickly, the dog leg change to second gear at that point lets the others catch up.
Otherwise it is ‘pied au plancher’ you don’t really need to slow down for corners, but would get held up by other traffic as there is no overtaking acceleration over 45 mph.
In comparison with an air cooled VW the second and third gears are better spaced, and the gearchange much better. The Citroen boxer engine is better than the Beetle engine in that there is no belt driving the fan, something VW didn’t figure out until the typ 4.
The brakes are brilliant, with light weight and low speeds you would expect them to be. The front drums are inboard – that is next to the gearbox, not the wheels, and were a bit of a chore to service, from the mid 70s they were changed to discs.
In England the main problems were corrosion and starting. Most surviving 2CV here have been swapped to new galvanized chassis. The starting problem is partly that the air cooled engine is nearly always starting from cold. The intake manifolds are long and the mixture doesn’t vapourise well, the ignition system also has very long plug leads across the front of the engine where they get damp, and there is no distributor, so both plugs spark at the same time, meaning a weak spark. If anyone tells you a 2CV is easy to maintain laugh ironically and tell them to set the points – they are driven directly from the end of the camshaft and you have to remove the fan to get to them.
I used to keep a spare set of dry plug leads in the house for a typical English damp day.
It was a shame that the later Visa boxer twin never made it to the 2CV, although it was superficially similar it was all aluminium and had electronic ignition.
I wouldn’t have a 2CV now, even back in the day I would get negative aggression from drivers of German cars, and the 2CV is a pain on a motorway, flat out at about 70 mph doesn’t keep up with traffic, and you feel vulnerable at 90 kmh [56 mph] in the truck lane.
My answer, because my VW van is too unreliable, is the modern equivalent of a rational French car – the Romanian Dacia.