Good things come to those who wait. A wise saying, especially when shopping for a somewhat rare and unique vehicle (nowadays, anyway ) like a GM H-Body.
The saga of my ownership of this car starts way back in 2005, a full three years before I actually took possession of it. I spent a great deal of my spare time trolling Craigslist for cheap vintage project cars. Almost on a whim, I started looking specifically for a hatchback H-Body. That’s when I chanced upon this. The $1300 asking price at the time was fair, but due to my stalling and / or indifference, I wound up getting the deal of the decade.
My first exposure to these cars was at the tender age of 8 (this would be around 1978 or ’79 ) when I accompanied my grandparents and cousins on a trip to the L.A. Museum Of Science And Industry. In one of the display halls was a bright red Monza 2+2, split down the middle with one half of it hanging on the wall, and the other half sitting on a raised display platform in the middle of the floor. Pushing a button would make the pistons in the cutaway engine go up and down, the tires turn, and other neat stuff.
As a budding car enthusiast, I was smitten. At that time, I was completely clueless about these cars’ ills- their infamous Vega heritage, the awful build quality, the crappy brakes, and their general crudeness. I just thought they looked cool, and I was determined to have one someday.
An early Consumer Guide test described the Monza as “an overweight subcompact in search of an engine that fits”, citing the loss of the rotary, the low power and dubious reliability of the Vega-derived four, and the significant additional heft and thirst of the optional V8. It still didn’t stop me from wanting one, however.
I didn’t have my first ride in an H-Body until the late 1990s, when I was briefly friends with Timothy Iskenderian, who happens to be the youngest son of legendary cam grinder Ed Iskenderian. The two of us were taking a smog licensing class at El Camino College, and quickly hit it off. Tim had a ’76 2+2, faded red, with the Buick-sourced 3.8 liter V6 mated to a four-speed manual. Despite being tired and dingy, that car was a hoot to drive.
At the end of the last day of class, us and two other classmates headed up the street for a burger and a beer. Tim and I were in his Monza, while two other classmates were in an automatic, 4-seater 280ZX. At the corner of Manhattan Beach Bl. and Prairie Ave, we lined up. As soon as the light turned green, Tim floored the accelerator while simultaneously popping the clutch. The junky little Chevy screamed like a banshee, smoking its right rear 13-inch tire furiously for half a block and leaving the bloated ZX in the dust. We laughed our asses off all the way to the restaurant.
When the other guys caught up to us a few minutes later, the ZX’s owner, an older black gentleman named Tony, went up to Tim and said “what the hell did you do to that thing?!? ”
My Monza’s previous owner was a nice young fellow named Manny. He and I exchanged e-mails for the better part of a year, and then lost touch. A couple of years later, he had posted the ad again and we reestablished contact. He was getting married, moving out of state, and needed the car gone. He then gave me an irresistible offer- if I come get it that week, I could have it for $500. Let’s see- 500 bucks for a complete, running, rust-free factory V8 Monza 2+2? Sold!
As a bonus, the car came with a gallon of ATF, a gallon of Prestone antifreeze, a can of Gumout carb cleaner, and a set of jumper cables. The car started and ran with nothing more than a new battery, which I brought with me when picking the car up.
For the next couple of years the car bounced back and forth between my apartment complex, the street outside, and a rented boat / RV storage space before taking up permanent residence in my parents’ garage. During that time, I got a considerable amount of work done. I replaced all the vacuum and emission hoses, chucked the destroyed front bumper cover, and relocated the battery to the spare tire well. I also installed a clean used set of chrome valve covers that I had pilfered from the dying small-block that was in my Biscayne when I bought that car.
In the years since, I’ve performed some useful modifications, and done some extensive parts scrounging. Moving the battery to the right rear spare tire well was a no-brainer, as it is a boon to both handling and traction, especially in a lightweight yet nose-heavy car like this. Rather than cough up big bucks on one of those fancy NHRA-style battery boxes on a street car, I found a cheap and easy alternative. A reproduction battery tray for a 1967-1970 Ford Mustang and Mercury Cougar, with the vertical mounting bracket portion removed, turned out to be a perfect fit. It laid perfectly flat in the appointed space, with room to spare.
I borrowed an Optima battery from a co-worker to mock up the assembly, then I got to work. Three carefully drilled holes, along with three 3/8″ stainless steel bolts, nylon lock nuts, three 2″ stainless steel and rubber flat washers, and a universal hold-down kit, and that task was done. A pre-drilled hole in the hatch striker plate provides a handy attachment point for two ground cables, and a single 0-gauge welding cable, routed to the starter via aluminum cushion clamps attached to the underside of the floorboard with stainless hardware, covered with thermo-sleeve, provides the juice. Oh, and don’t forget a universal battery cut-off switch. Cheap insurance.
This leaves one minor concern: what about the spare? From the factory, H-bodies came with those wimpy collapsible temporary spares, along with a pressurized gas bottle to inflate them, and the whole thing hidden under a large plastic cover. That stuff was long gone when Manny acquired the car, and replacements are difficult, if not impossible, to find. I never liked those things anyway. For me, driving any reasonable distance without a working spare is not an option. The lack of a functioning spare tire is all it takes to turn a minor, temporary inconvenience into a day-ruining ordeal. What to do?
Some cursory eyeballing and trial fitting provided the answer. With that cover removed, a full size spare lays perfectly into that corner of the cargo area, and hides the battery at the same time. The latch plate for the OEM plastic cover provides a handy attachment point for the spare tire hold-down. This cuts significantly into the cargo area, but who uses a vintage H-Body to haul anything of substance?
That leads to the next question: what about the chassis and rolling stock? The whole Pro Street / pseudo drag car theme on these cars has been done to death, and frankly I’m tired of it. I’m bucking tradition by sticking with more of a “factory muscle” look, and I found the perfect shoes for doing so:
On one of my Pick-a-Part scouting missions, I spotted a junked G-Body Malibu sedan wearing a set of five-slotted rally wheels, in the small 14X6″ size- perfect for the Monza’s small wheel wells. This also happened to be during one of their holiday half-off sales. I happen to keep a star wrench, a 1/2″ breaker bar, and a prybar in my truck at all times, so after spending half an hour fighting with rusty frozen lug nuts, those wheels were mine. With tax, they were under $40 out the door. Score! I plan on having them powder coated semi-gloss black and using the flat disc brake center caps.
This, of course, necessitates an upgrade to five-lug brakes and axles, replacing the wimpy 4-lug factory setup. This is, fortunately, fairly easy and inexpensive to do. Various aftermarket companies make and sell aftermarket control arms designed to accept stock ball joints and disc brake spindles for a Chevy S10 / GMC S15 / Isuzu Hombre mini truck. Converting the rear to five-lug is even easier. On ’77 and later H-bodies with the venerable 7.5″ rear end, stock replacement axles from an ’82-’96 2WD S10 pickup slide right in. The later H-bodies and S10 truck even use the same brake master cylinder!
As far as performance, California’s smog laws limit just how much I can modify, but there’s still room to upgrade. The stock two barrel air-cleaner that came on my car, with its tiny 2″ air inlet, is a sick and perverted joke. Fortunately I once again found a quick fix. On yet another junkyard run, I scored a big mouth two-barrel air cleaner assembly from a 350-powered, mid-70s Nova, with the large intake snorkel on the opposite ( right hand ) side. This leads to part two of my plan:
After some careful measuring and trial-fitting, I drilled a 4″ hole in the passenger side inner fender, mounting two of these Spectre 4″ universal adapters face-to-face on either side of the hole, with salvaged air cleaner screen sandwiched between to keep rocks, trash, debris, and critters out of my air cleaner. The one inside the engine compartment goes straight to the air cleaner via duct hose. The one outside hooks to a 90-degree rubber elbow with a length of 4″ thin-wall PVC sewer vent pipe connected to a y-shaped air intake that will be mounted just underneath the bumper. Cheap and easy ram air 🙂 . To take advantage of the improved airflow, I’m sending the puny factory 350 CFM Rochester 2GC to the carb wizards at Sean Murphy Induction to be opened up to 500 CFM, which should be just right to keep that little 305 happy.
I had one last lucky break concerning the car last summer. On still another Pick-A-Part visit, my buddy Chris spotted a badly rusted blue Monza 2+2 sitting near the back of the GM section. Knowing how difficult spare trim pieces for H-bodies are to find, I spent an entire three-day weekend, and most of my tax refund, yanking every usable piece off of it- the side and rear glass, all the aluminum, stainless, and plastic door and window trim, the chrome headlight bezels, the taillight lenses ( mine are ruined ), and even the glovebox door.
I tried to remove the windshield but broke it in the process I even snagged both window regulator assemblies, which were strangely both spot-welded and epoxied onto the door frame! I needed the window regulators due to a minor accident the car was in. Either Manny or the PO before him simply continued to forcefully roll the window up and down until the splines on the window crank shaft stripped out. She or he then used Vise-Grips to continue opening and closing the window, destroying the otherwise surprisingly mint-condition door panel.
As you can see, I was making significant progress on this car. That’s about when things hit a snag. A broken ankle, my bad back, my dad’s mail-order shopping mania, and other pressing matters put the kibosh on Project H. The top two pictures were taken around 2013 or so. The bottom one is the car’s current state. I’ll get back to it one day, after the Vette and the Olds. I’ve already acquired nearly 3/4 of the parts necessary to complete this car’s transformation. I just need to find the time. Sigh…
Cool. I confess to having a couple of similar projects laying around…one of these days!
Time! That one thing that none of us seems to have in abundance. I have reached the stage where I know not to buy a car like that. I have a running and driving Miata and still have trouble finding the time to do the little things I would like to do to it.
So, a big salute to you for taking the plunge. With all the headway you have made, I hope you get it finished one day.
Saw this at a show this past summer
This is how they tend to go, my current project I had in my head as “a simple weekend engine swap” and now it’s been on stands in my garage since July, with while I’m there whims turning into full scale side projects, and yes, real life sidelines prolonging the progress. Ironically one of those projects I did something very similar with the battery tray. I took my stock engine bay mounted one, cut off the vertical mount and mounted it in the corner of the trunk with 3 bolts.
I always liked the Monza design, and at no point in my lifetime have they been common so they truly do look unique and even a little exotic.
Could you do a 4bbl swap?
The thought crossed my mind, but on a stock 305 in such a small and light vehicle, I’m not sure if it’s worth the extra time and effort.
It will…for mileage and driveability as much as anything else. Honestly, a new top end (maybe a full engine swap) would probably be easier & cheaper than trying to use the little 2bbl and cast iron lump of an intake.
Also, I think it can be done CARB-legal, witj a set of Vortec heads, a Perfomer Vortec manifold, and a Qjet carb.
@XR7Matt-
Yep, that’s how the cookie crumbles, unfortunately. I later purchased that same battery tray a second time, and did the same thing to it, to install in my ’72 Pontiac Ventura.
Despite their relative rarity, the Monza 2+2 body style is apparently so popular with racers, even now, that a handful of aftermarket companies make fiberglass or carbon fiber replica Monza bodies designed to be used with a pro-style tube chassis.
I had a 75 2+2 in the summer of 89, it was pretty basic as it had the 2bbl. vega engine & 4 spd transmission and not a lot more. I believe the 75s came standard with front & rear sway bars and full gauge package. It wasn’t too bad of a car for a 16yr old, it did need some shorter gears. Those 2.56 were only good for the highway. Later I always thought that a camaro 2.8 & t-5 trans would have been great swap for the monza.
At the time there was a guy in the local paper with a running ad to buy these h bodies, was there a weekend racing class for these cars?
If you can find one, Monzas and their H-body cousins continue to be highly popular in certain NHRA, SCCA, and IMSA classes. That’s probably what he was looking to do.
In racing circles right now, there’s some guy with a burnt orange notchback Vega that’s the scourge of autocross events.
“Hi, Chris.”
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My ’62 and ’63 VW Beetle projects are in much the same state, and the ’62 project was technically started about 17 years ago. I actually reinstalled the transaxle on the pan a couple weekends ago: Yay, Progress!
Glutton for punishment that I am, I’m going to look at a ’76 hatchback H-body tomorrow afternoon for a possible addition to the fleet. Hmmm…
Great story! In 1981, I was 18. A well-of neighbour’s wife drove a beautiful lightblue ’78 met., all options, 2+2 Sport Hatchback. He offered it to me for the -then ridiculous- price of about 7.000,- guilders (then: 3.500,-$). It came with an extra ’77 Monza in parts that had had engine trouble with the 2.3 Vega engine. They had driven that one for only one year before it mechanically totalled. Mine had a 2.5 Iron Duke with 3 speed automatic. I was very proud of it. I very much liked the looks of it. That it was very slow and came with a lot of small parts falling of while driving, was of less concern to me. It was relatively cheap to run, and it was a real looker. Fond memories. Good luck with yours! It’s worth a restauration!
I had A 78 2+2 with the 3.8 and a 4 speed which I had always wanted. unfortunately the clumsy cable operated clutch and clunky shifter kept it from being a great runner unless you hammered it and let it wind out in each gear. and the hatchback was always making flexing noises. I raced my buddies 78 Cutlass with the small V8 and blew him away though and it was reliable. plus I always thought it was a great looking car. looks like you are doing all the right mods to yours so it ought to be a fun runner, though I think I would prefer a mild build on a 283 as opposed to the 305. try and figure a way to shore up the hatchback and enjoy an uncommon car!
From 1982-86, I owned a ’75 2+2 in forest green…with the 262 (4.3) SBC and a 4-speed.
FUN FUN FUN. Wife and I both loved the car.
I’d heard of brake mods for them way back then, but couldn’t afford to act on it.
Hope you get this one going. There were indeed POS elements about them but IMO they’re not prohibitively difficult to work around. And you’re already taking care of the most important one…the brakes.
In 1978, I contemplated buying one of these, the local Chevy dealer had one that had been ordered with a FULL size spare BOLTED down in the hatch area. For some reason, it was refused. After looking at it, I refused it too! In 1977, I had a military bud that had a coupe powered by the 262 v-8/4 spd combo, but I liked the hatchback look better. 🙂
This was a fun read for me, as I was living in the South Bay at the time you and your buddies were. I took a class at El Co when I was still in high school, and my friends and I hung around some the areas you described. We used to ogle the ads in the Pennysaver and Auto Trader, which was auto-porn for teens with freshly minted licenses.
Hope you find a way to get back to the project – you’ve made a lot of nice progress, even if it’s not apparent from the outside yet.
When I lived in the SF Bay Area, on the peninsula, back in around 94 or so, there was a little old lady that had a 75 (IIRC) Monza Sport Coupe, with a 350 and T350 auto. I was looking at the car, and noticed tat it had a 350 badge. I was amazed! She came out of her house and confirmed that it had the 350 under the hood, stock. It was silver, with a black interior. I really wanted that car! She said she would take $2500.00 for it, running and driving with over 200k on the clock, but I did not have the funds. Was the 350 some kind of special option? I wonder how many were made?
Good luck with yours, Chris!
From another Chris, now in SoCal.
the 350 was a California only option as I seem to recall.
That makes sense, kinda, as it still had the original CA plates. Odd how Cali back in the day was OK with larger displacement and 4-V carbs, while the rest of the USA was going with smaller V-8’s and 2-V carbs. My 1979 New Yorker Fifth Avenue Edition from PA has the 360 2-V, while in Cali, it would have had the 4-V on the 360 from the factory. I wonder if I can pass Cali smog with a Cali 4-V intake and carb on a 49-state vehicle? Or, if I can even find the parts to make the swap? I wonder if that Monza had a 2-V or a 4-V on top of it? I never looked.
It was strictly a smog certification issue. It was easier and cheaper to only certify certain engine/transmission combos for CA, so there were oddities like this.
The 350 was California only, and only in 1975. The V8 available in 1975-76 Monzas was normally the short-lived 262, but the 262 wouldn’t (or at least wasn’t certified to) pass California emissions. So in 1975, the 350 was offered in Monzas in California instead. When the 305 was introduced for 1976, it replaced the 350 as the California V8 in Monzas. For 1977, the 262 was dropped, and the 305 became available in Monzas everywhere.
Without looking it up, I’m guessing that all of these V8s were 2bbl.
In my experience, a lot of people are vaguely aware that “you could get a 350 in a Monza”, but don’t understand that it was only available for one year, and only in California.
Great project. Kudos for keeping a factory look and taking on the Cali emissions struggle. It’s a shame that tailpipe emission improvement isn’t enough for the state CARB. One would think they would embrace the improvements of time, technology, and someone willing to go to the trouble.
I too like the lines of an H body, I was nine when they first appeared. Missed a chance to buy a 76 Pontiac Sunbird V6/four speed last year. Clean notchback Arizona car, Lime green metallic with a white interior. Classic seventies. Like most of us, reality gets in the way when you stumble across a rare treasure.
Enjoy your Monza and please, do keep us updated with your progress.
It boggles my mind why Cali would even care about what is actually under the hood, and just measure tailpipe emissions. I mean, isn’t what comes out of the tailpipe more important than WHY it runs so clean?
My oh my, you have no idea how many Craigslist cars for sale have pictures that look like your very last one. If one doesn’t intervene soon enough the infection gets worse and the project terminal.
Hey, nice H-body! I’m very biased about these, since a red Sunbird hatch was my first car (and a white one was my next car) One of the first vehicles I remember noticing and really wanting, was a family down the street getting a black Monza 2+2 (with Red interior) The shape, the look, and especially the V8 sound really made an impression. These were just “used cars” when I was old enough to get my own car, and I looked everywhere for one like the black one my neighbors had, but there was no way my parents were gonna let me get a V8 powered anything (and I probably would have wrecked it and gotten killed, so thank you, Dad) The one I ended up getting was a 4-cylinder with a bad clutch and a plugged catalyst, so it’s absolute top speed was 65. And I never could afford to fix either problem, or upgrade the mismatched 165/80/13 tires. The first one I had, was pretty rusty but the (black) interior was mint. The second one I had, the body was solid but the PO had 3 big Shepherds he drove around, so the inside was pretty well ruined. They both were “iron Duke” 4-cylinder cars, so I could afford the insurance on them. A V6 powered one, (like the fancy Starfire GT I wanted) was going to cost me double what my Sunbird did, and they flat-out refused to insure me on a V8 powered car.
Your project sounds very cool, I really hope you can complete it (or sell it to me!) please keep us updated on it!
Another aside, are you aware of the h-body Internet forum?
http://forums.h-body.org/
I forgot-my red Sunbird had the same temporary spare (but I never had the can of “inflator”, good thing I never needed it) upright in the same spot as yours. It had a sort of shroud or cover made of carpet similar to what was on the floor. My white Bird had a full-size spare kind of laying flat on the floor in back, A78-13 bias tire with white walls under a fitted carpet cover that matched the floor carpet. It really did take up a lot of space back there, the hatch area wasn’t very tall by the tail and I could barely put grocery bags back there with the spare taking up so much room.
Best of luck, Chris.
I had a primo 78 Skyhawk that I got a great deal on from a friends mom in 85.
due to a stupid (STUPID!!!!!) argument I dealt it in a month later on another car.
30 yrs later I am still mad at myself over that.
Don’t give up the Monza! they are awesome and fun cars! we all will be watching for future installments!
One of my automobile fantasies would be to put a Cosworth Vega engine into one of these cars.
I haven’t seen this car or any of its brethren here in the Boston area for many years now.
I was surprised to discover how rare these have become. Craigslist in my metro area turned up a single well-beaten example, https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/5987462119.html
when searching on ‘Monza’ while bringing up four Corvairs. That’s rarity.
I always thought these were handsome cars and right for the times muscle cars in V-8 form, and I recall them as having been pretty popular in their day. The big gripe I seem to recall about them (besides rust, but everything rusted in those days) was sagging doors.
Anyhow, I hope that you’ll carry on the good fight and get her back on the street. As somebody mentioned above, it’s a bad omen when the car gets covered in boxes, at least in my personal experience. Perhaps an intervention from the Curbside Classic Conservation League is in order?
All we need are some parts, some beer, and your address….and those boxes will disappear like magic. Not much work will get done on the car perhaps, but hey! you’ll be back on the path, right?
Ha, sagging doors… Both my cars needed new door hinges, the red one was so bad, for so long, that it needed the striker and latch mechanism as well… and what prompted me to scrape up the $ to get it fixed was doing the “pull UP while closing door” so much, the outside door handle broke in half… I remember seeing a few H’s with broken door handles at the time. Those doors really were heavy! The inside door pull also broke, because the armrest/doorpull would snap. I remember buying a repair kit for it, that you cut off the broken pull and screw the new pull (made of hard plastic instead of the pliable vinyl of the original one.
I stumbled across this 79 Oldsmobile Firenza Starfire with a 3.8 Buick motor. I did the 5lug conversion on it. I also put an 96 LT1 out of a Buick Roadmaster in it. Computer and all.
Very cool! Everyone knows the Monzas, but it’s cool seeing the rarer H’s.
I had a ’78 Monza, I believe, took it to the beach to crank my so called stereo with a 4 channel EQ (and i’ve had bigger stereos in all my vehicles after that: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO3mCg4IhgVuap14he3wbXcB9Bvk3B7Pj6xv_6eIuk2fO2mVW0ckKhIr0sKEDyJMw?key=N0NSZVVLVkJRYUNmVVdjRWFjUkp2OFRvUXRWcU5n ). The engine had a bad cylinder and I was changing spark plugs every few months and adding oil. Finally got it rebuilt but did not change rad. Took it to USA and after that it was never right again. Got rid of it as the so called frame was sagging. It was a fun car, but engine was not reliable.
in 2011 I took a digital pic from an original 4×6 pic. Pic is on the beach with a Coleman stove!
Great-looking little cars, with a distinct “mini Ferrari 365” vibe. I haven’t seen one in ages though.
I can sympathize with the stalled project status though. I haven’t done jack to my Volvo 780 in a year or so, in which time the rear tires have gone flat and a window started leaking, necessitating coverage with a tarp. Any plans I had to resurrect it will have to wait for the front suspension rebuild on the Crown Vic. And then there’s my Malibu, which has been sitting at the top of my parents’ driveway since 2001.
Good luck in getting your other projects done and getting back to the Monza! Sounds like you have everything you need except time…
I was curious if anyone knew if the s10 front control arms mounted up in the stock H body front end????
Looking for the body rubber mouldings that mount to the body and seal the top of the doors. I have a 1975 Monza 2+2
Saw your post. Looks like you did a 5 lug conversion. Did you use S10 spindles on the front? What size tires did you put on the front? Did you retain the stock ride height? Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to avoid as many issues as possible. Thank you in advance for the help, Bob
I have a 1977 monza im putting a. Ls 5.3 it’s will be finish next year i need help on getting parts for it.
Does anyone make a steel cowl induction hood for a 78 Chevy monza Spyder 4 headlamp front end any help would be appreciated if someone could take a factory steel stock Monza hood and cut the center out and weld in a Camaro steel cowl induction hood in the center and transfer on to stock monza hood along with the stock factory hood hinges