I had a great weekend in Portland. The Shape of Speed exhibit at the Portland Museum of Art was simply sublime. I will write it up along with some decent pictures thanks to PDXMike’s new camera he’s holding here. Next to him is CC reader Teddy and Keely. And we’ve got some pictures from the Vintage Race Meet at Portland Raceway that we’ll post too. A couple of other CC readers showed up for that and lunch afterwards. A good time was had by all.
It was the maiden trip for my van as a camper, even though it’s not really finished. But I wanted to get a feel for it on the road to make sure the solar panel adhered to the roof only with 3M VHB tape was not going to blow away, to sleep in it, and also to get a sense of what kind of mileage it would get. I was pleasantly surprised.
On the trip home from picking it up in Kellogg, Idaho, I only got about 16mpg due to ferocious headwinds the whole way. In a big tall van, that hurts. And since then I’ve only been driving it around town and haven’t even bothered to keep track. But the trip to Portland and back on I-5, which is mostly level and on a weekend without winds made it a good time to get a sense of what it can do.
I tried several different speeds using the cruise control (which I used the whole way except for a few moments), to see what the results were on the instant-read mpg indicator. Pretty soon I settled on 68-69mph (speed limit is 65). That put me in the right lane with the trucks, not where I typically spend my time in our cars. With the ’77 Dodge Chinook, I normally cruised at 64-65 mph, and over all the years and 25k miles we used it, it consistently averaged 11mpg. But with the Promaster (a 159″ wheelbase high roof 2500 model) I was seeing 20-22+ mpg on the instant read out. Whoa! I seriously did not expect that with such a big van, the gas engine (3.6 V6 and 6 speed automatic) and the solar panel and MaxxiFan on the roof.
I didn’t drive it much in Portland, just to Mike’s house where I spent the night in his driveway (Thanks Lily for the wonderful breakfast!).
On the way home I saw similar results, although I did briefly draft a semi doing 70 at various distances to get a sense of how that affected instant mpg It increased from about 22 up to over 30, depending on how close I got. I remember seeing 35-37 for a short bit, but I was pretty close. The big fuel savings in platooning will be a boon when cars and trucks can do so autonomously. At a reasonably safe distance, it was about 24-25mpg. The effect tapers down, but is noticeable quite a ways back, as the semi leaves a pretty long reduced-pressure wake in its tail.
The final tally for the roughly 250 mile round trip can be seen above: 21.1 mpg (indicated). Obviously that might not be exactly what it is based on actual usage as monitored by a fill-up, but in any case, it’s quite a bit better than expected. I was anticipating about 17-18 mpg under these circumstance.
So I came home with a half tank of gas and a full tank of memories of a lovely weekend. Thanks Mike for your hospitality, and suggesting it in the first place. Now to write up that exhibit….
Excellent news Paul – is this engine direct injected?
To the best of my knowledge no.
It’s the regular Pentastar 3.6l V6 that Chrysler puts into pretty much everything (for good reason) these days. Not Direct Injected, but otherwise modern enough with VVT and 24valves, etc. There are minor differences between engines installed in different platforms, but the biggest variable in use generally relates to the gearbox behind it, Chrysler uses at least half a dozen different ones, with different numbers of gears.
I’m used to seeing this van as a Fiat or PSA, always with a Diesel engine and manual transmission. It’s weird to see the automatic selector in there!
Congratulations on the terrific drive you show helming CC and doing so much work and projects. Last but not least, thanks for all. Looks like you had a lot of fun.
Paul, the inside of the pro master is looking very nice. I didn’t think you had started on it yet because I don’t recall any build articles along the way. How did you do the roof and walls with that wood? I assume it’s tongue and groove? What is it mounted to to make that curve? I’m currently building a pop up camper basically from scratch. I got a free 1984 Jayco pop up and was going to just do some minor repairs but when I got into it, I ended up tearing it apart down to the bare trailer… I was actually going to send you an email about it because I thought you may have some insite on a few questions I have with it.
I’m going to a single long post on the whole build when it’s done rather than a number of individual posts.
That’s pine T&G as readily available in home improvement stores, about 3/8″ thick. I screwed directly to the roof cross beams, but on the one side where there’s no overhead compartments I did have to make up some wood “studs” to mount it, and used additional spacers to make it fairly smooth.
Looks like you’ve got your hands full! 🙂
A perfect test run and always great to be able to put some more faces with familiar names! Looking forward to reading more about the events soon…
Thats pretty good mileage from a petrol powered van, I tested my car fill up to fill up recently diesel overflowing down the rear guard at both ends, the computer lied, it did much better, 51mpg imperial which out of a large car is pretty good, My sis & BIL are currently touring in a hired Fiat Ducato 4 berth motorhome diesel powered but a close relative to your van they like it all the creature features including satellite WIFI.
My 3.6 minivan guzzels gas around town, 11-12 mpg isnt unusual, but then 22-23 on the highway.
Surpriced this far bigger van does so good. Lowering speed from 75-80 might have alot to do with it. Great engine though. Completely transformed the minivan driving experience.
We have a Pentas5ar 3.6 in a Grand Cherokee with the 8-speed. My wife drives it around town and averages an indicated 17 mpg. When we take it on trips, it averages 24-25. Plenty of power to move a 5000 lb SUV around, and it’s adequate for towing our boats. Headwinds and lonely highways where there is nobody ahead of you to split the air are both hard on the mpg. I had been curious how it would work out in the ProMaster. Sounds like it’s not overstressed.
Paul, I really like the pine headliner.
Great to see the camper coming along! And I look forward to a recap of your weekend and getting to meet some PNW readers, if only vicariously.
Fuel mileage on these modern vehicles is amazing compared to what we used to put up with.
And is that the Bendix SWC back behind Mike? That one normally lives at the Studebaker National Museum where I have seen it a couple of times. It is a fascinating one-off. The Graham is cool too.
Yes it is. I’m writing it up right now, instead of working on the van! 🙂
Well !
Am I the only one curious about the indicated 108 degrees F? Maybe the sensor is next to the solar panel
Good eye; I was wondering if anyone would notice. I hopped into the van at noon today and turned it on just long enough to get this shot. We are having a heat wave, but it wasn’t nearly 108 at this time of the day. The area where the sensor is must have been heated by the sun. It would go down quickly once the van started moving.
Take it with a grain of salt. I’ve seen the outside temp sensor on other Mopars run 15-25F hotter than what other sources tell me.
Something to be aware of if you are in the 30-45F Red Zone for black ice.
Actually once under way, it appears to be very accurate.
My friend’s Sprinter also registers similarly high. We were in the Owens Valley last week where it was 100-104F and the readout said 120. I think it is reading pavement temperature (for ice warning in winter) like my BMW did with a sensor down low behind the front bumper.
Thanks for coming up to Portland, Paul! It was our pleasure having you, and great to enjoy these events together. Great to meet some fellow CCers too.
The van looks super, Paul’s work is first-class. He showed me the bin where the solar electronics and batteries are all wired up and running, nicely done. Fridge, microwave, lights, tunes, way out in some forest spot – it’ll be sweet!
Been a tough summer.
The van is looking great Paul, nice work. Good mileage too! I am looking forward to the full report with pictures.
So sorry I missed the meetup by a week. Paul, my Tacoma’s mpg for the trip up and down 5 with many detours into the Cascades, was hovering consistently around 20.5. But massive headwinds coming down from Red Bluff to Sacramento at 70-72 mph, plus a long twisty detour on my way to and from Weaverville due to the Carr Fire, dropped my overall down to about 19.7. Not great considering how much more frontal area you have, not to mention the creature comforts in the back of your van. BTW, the highest reading I saw on my outside temp readout was 107° (not including some hot soak readings after stops that read well over 110). So you even beat me there too! Edit: I just re-read and noticed that your 108 was a hot soak. Whatever, it was sure hot everywhere last week.
Looks like a great meet up. I really need to make one of these. The van is looking fantastic.
The vans coming along nicely, really like the wood plank ceiling, I have seen on you tube a few scenarios where solar panels taped to the roof eventually over time did blow off, but maybe the 3M tape you are using will hold up over the long haul. I would have enjoyed the meetup, not far from home but I had to spend the weekend helping a family member move.
That’s pretty impressive MPG, my V8 Titan got 20.1 MPG @ 66-67 with the cruise control on, was fighting a headwind the first half and there was some mountain climbing, this was on I-84 from Portland to Boise. If I do get a travel trailer, this will probably drop to around 11 MPG. Around town my lowest (winter) was 12.1 and best was 14.5. Does only require 87 octane which is helpful. That’s why I usually drive the old Jetta around town!
Looking forward to the conversion write up when the campers finished.
Well done everyone. Looking forward to seeing more from the museum and races!
Nice Paul
We are camping at arrowhead with the Jayco 8 / caravan combo. Were supposed to be going to grundy lake this week but park closed due to forest fires
So we went way out to Mont trembant in Quebec
C’est bon!