Some of you apparently thought it was an April Fool’s joke when I announced 0n April 1st that I was turning my xB into an off-roader. Well, here it is, ready to take on whatever the Northern half of remote Nevada can dish out. I just got back from a shake-down trip into the local mountains, and I’m declaring it finished.
And it’s not just because of the overlanding trip in June I did this; this is how I use it all the time, and I’ve finally got around to making it more suitable for its defined mission. Better late than never.
First: a note on “EXBRO”. It’s the acronym for the small group that my son is a part of that has taken on an overlanding trip in various locations in the PNW. EXBRO5 is the fifth year, and this one will be in Nevada. Here’s a very brief outline of the trip, from son Ted:
The short version of the route: We’ll arrive in Tonopah, Nevada in the afternoon/evening of June 19 and spend the night either in town or in the vicinity. From there we’ll check out the Silver Peak mine and spend two days driving the Tonopah-Austin leg of the Nevada Backcountry Discovery Route. From Austin we’ll spend two more days on the BDR, driving the most remote leg of the trip, from Austin to Elko. After four days of BDR driving, we’ll then head off on our own route for two days, driving dirt and maybe even some paved roads from Elko to the ghost towns of Tuscarora, Midas and Paradise Valley, where we’ll find a place to camp for the night. The last day takes us to Thacker Pass, a new lithium mine, and then we’ll blast up to the Alvord Desert for a celebratory evening on the Playa.
That was the impetus.
As noted above, the xB has only two missions anymore: short around-town errands and taking us to remote trailheads. That’s not what it was designed for, though.
The xB was considerably modified for the US from its Japanese progenitor the Toypta bB, which was conceived as an urban “lounge-mobile” with a front bench seat and column shifter for the automatic. And the base version (above) did not have the body kit (Lower bumper dams, etc.). And it had the same 130lb/in springs as the Yaris/Echo, with which it shares many platform components.
When the new Scion brand was previewed in 2002, the bbX concept was clearly targeting the young, fast and furious crowd. And in the process, the production xB arrived with very firm 160lb/in springs and matching stiff shocks. And extra-thick sway bars.
That’s a bit ironic, as so many of these have of course ended up being lowered. And in further irony, the xB sold quite well to a somewhat older demographic, thanks to its easy to enter and exit body, as well as its looks. But most of those buyers have long moved on, as their backsides got tired of the harsh ride.
Me too, but instead of moving on, I decided to fix that.
I found springs from a junkyard 2002 Echo, and bought some new Monroe struts ($49/each) and rear shocks ($27/each) also for an Echo, and mounted the springs on the struts. The Echo struts are a half-inch shorter than the xB struts (in the lower section, not the spring length), so I cut the polyurethane rear lift blocks a half inch to match. I froze them and then ran them through my table saw. The half inch lift I lost front and rear was made up again by the larger tires, so my net lift is still 1.5 inches.
The next issue was the front sway bar. Sway bars are a wonderful thing on good pavement, but have a serious negative impact on rough roads and no roads. These torsion bars reduce lean in corners and curves, but in the process they also substantially increase the effective spring rate. That means when one wheel hits a bump, the response is very harsh. And articulation is reduced substantially.
I also got the softer bar from the junkyard Echo, but was increasingly intrigued in ditching it all together. Removing them from the xB is major surgery, requiring dropping the engine subframe and disconnecting steering and suspension components. So I bought a couple of the most aggressive carbide blades for my trusty old Sawzall and went at the two ends. They’re about an inch thick, and it took about 20 minutes each side. Fun!
The result of these suspension changes had exceeded my expectations or hopes. The ride is still on the firm side (to be expected for such a light car) and it’s never going to quite be a Peugeot 404, with its exceptionally long-travel suspension, but it’s much less harsh, on pavement and off.
We have a lot of these “Pillow” speed bumps in my neighborhood, and the difference is amazing. The wheels on one side almost float over them, compared to before. Yes, there’s a bit of lean on brisk curves, but it just reminds me of my 404s and other cars of the past. It’s not disconcerting at all. Sure, an extreme maneuver at high speed would be interesting, but I know what I’m driving, and if I want to drive fast, I take out the TSX, which handles about as well as it gets.
I thought I had found the only 205/65R15 AT tires at Walmart.com in the US. When I went to pick them up, they turned out to be cheap summer tires. It was too good to be true. Their website is a mess.
So it was back to winter tires, and these are what I ended up buying, in part because they were so cheap too (closeout). They’re a CV-rated tire, designed for vans and such, and have a very high (over 1800lbs/tire) load rating, and have a 6-ply carcass. The price was right, and the sidewalls are notable thicker than the typical passenger car tire, a bonus in rocky terrain.
They just barely fit (original size is 185/60R15). And the extra-deep tread blocks are a bit squishy in the curves at speed. But the traction is excellent.
I hit a few remaining patches of snow today, and they churned me right through. Of course it’s not the same as 4WD, but it’s pretty impressive. And this coming winter I’m seriously considering installing an LSD (limited slip differential). We’ll see…
Ground clearance is between 9 and 8.5″, which should be adequate. I didn’t want ti getting too jacked up and tippy-feeling. Here’s a 4×8 block of wood (7.5″ actual height) under the rear axle, which is a torsion beam affair and does not travel except for the very ends at the wheels. In fact the underside of the xB is exceptionally smooth and even; no differential pumpkins or shock mounts hanging down low.
Here’s the center of the underside; a good 8.5″ or more.
And quite a bit more than that at the front, in the center, where it’s at least 9″ or more. This is of course the most vulnerable area, under the engine sump and transaxle. A skid plate would be a major undertaking, and I’m confident it would be superfluous. I’m not taking it on the Rubicon.
There’s even a good 8″ at the front control arms. I took a peek at an Outback and Forester at a trailhead parking lot, and their suspensions hang down significantly lower. I’m actually quite surprised at how even the ground clearance is; there’s no real low-point.
I bought a basic roof rack at Amazon ($153) and mounted it to the Thule crossbars I already had. And the full-size spare is mounted securely to it, at the front. There’s no room for it inside, but there is still the mini-spare for backup, if it should come to that. I’ve never had a flat on rough terrain, yet.
When I first decided to take this trip, an idea popped in my head: maybe I can fit a bed inside too; turn it into a micro-van. And sure enough, here it is, the same 6’4″ long by 28″ wide 5″ foam mattress I sleep on in the van. Fits like a charm, once the passenger seat (and rear seats) are out.
I had a piece of 3/8″ plywood almost the perfect size laying around. I bolted the back end to the mounting holes for the seat backs.
The front rests on the cooler, which just happened to be the right size, and sits snugly in the well under where the passenger seat used to be. A couple of plywood braces support the section in between. I’m going to really try to keep my weight down, and this weighs almost nothing. Gear will be stowed under the bed.
The 7 gallon water jug will sit in front of that, in the passenger foot well. Put the heavy stuff in front, where the traction will benefit.
And it doubles as a center arm rest, which I had to remove for the bed.
My entry will be the driver’s side rear door. It works very well. No need to set up a tent, and all my stuff will be right there.
So there it is, ready to take on whatever Nevada’s back country can dish out. If not, I’ve got a recovery “snatch strap”, and even a folding shovel. And I’ll be in the kind of company that can pull me out readily, if it’s needed. My guess is that it won’t, but it’s good to be prepared anyway.
In the meantime, and for many years afterwards, I’ve got the xB I always wanted to have. I’m an Xbro after all.
Another cool project, Paul. I’m looking forward to reading about your adventures with it.
I’m excited for you and look forward to reading about your trip. I wish I could go too.
I wonder how the Avalon would do with knobby tires…
Badass. Love what you’ve done, inside and out. I think it’s safe to say that your xBox has seen and will see more dirt than most Jeep Wranglers that are rolling around the US.
Me thinks LSD was involved in this project from the beginning :-). All kidding aside, nice job and well executed. Can’t wait to hear about the trip. (no pun intended)
How fun! The only other thing I can think of is to maybe rig some small awnings out over the side windows so you can stay dry with windows down if it starts raining at night.
I know exactly what you mean about the squishiness of the tires – when I reshod my van a few years ago I went up to a light truck tire with deeper tread and more sidewall. I got improvements in ride and traction from the stock tires, but the fronts do get a bit squirmy when I really put the power to it. But the tradeoff has been worthwhile.
Rain in Nevada in the summer would be a welcome but highly rare phenomena. The rainy season is well over, and it was a lot shorter this year than average and ideal, which is why California is in an official drought once again.
I briefly thought about screening for bugs, but then there aren’t any of those either. No moisture; no bugs. 🙂
Fun! I agree on the sway bars, I’ve had several cars break sway bar links, and never noticed. And has no discernable improvement when reconnected.
Although the sway bar is usually a good place to attach the yank strap if you get stuck, have you got another good sport available on the Xb?
I’m looking forward to the trip report on this. I’m into my 14th month of working from home, and have been very few places…
Yes. The xB has an official recovery bolt that screws into a main frame member front and rear. Couldn’t be more perfect.
I could not disagree more about the lack of an effect of a sway bar . I have driven three cars one with a broken front link and two that were midway through an upgrade and I had the chance to drive them with rear bars only. The first one was my wife’s hand me down Buick Skyhawk. When I first drove it it felt really ass happy when I noted this to her she mentioned one time spinning it in the rain and it really scared her. ??? I checked and it was a broken front link .The others were my first new car and 87 bass VW GOLF and a 1984 Crown Vic that also I have transplanted a Mustang 5.0 into. And every one of these cases there was a tremendous change in driving the car. I am sorry but if you could not discern a difference in a car with/without a sway bar you are either driving it very mildly or do not have much of a feel for cars. Yank strap? It depends. Not going to make the blanket argument that it’s not designed for it because it is metal and it has hard mounting point but it would not be my first choice. Get a couple hook ends and there’s probably plenty of other point to hook to
Did I say that I could not discern a difference without the sway bar? Of course there’s a difference. It is quite obvious.Here’s what I said:
Yes, there’s a bit of lean on brisk curves, but it just reminds me of my 404s and other cars of the past. It’s not disconcerting at all. Sure, an extreme maneuver at high speed would be a bit more interesting.
My point was that the result wasn’t as extreme as I might have expected, or some (like you) would have predicted. And the change is mission-appropriate.
If you had been in the xB with me yesterday afternoon as I bombed down gravel Patterson Mountain Road, with the tail out and ESC beeping at me in almost every curve, you would not be suggesting that I was “driving it very mildly or do not have much of a feel for cars”.
The yank strap will attach to the official xB recovery bolt/loop that screws directly into a main frame member front and rear. I never said otherwise.
Hello paul. My comment was intended for DougD, not you. But due to my keyboard skills it appended to your comment not his. Thought your xBuild was pretty cool and comments measured.
Aha! Thanks for the clarification.
Love this! Want this !!!
Would you consider helping me do this to my 2004?
Awesome! The safari basket and bed remind me of the way I outfitted my Honda Element as a light duty camper. The E has a really low suspension, though, so the way the Xbox is set up is going to allow it much more versatility to get offroad.
It’s always a lot of fun when an older car you’ve had for some time gets a refresh and a new lease on life. Have fun!
Excellent, now it’s the XbPRO. Ready to tackle rivers deep and mountains high. Or something like that anyway. The bed definitely beats a tent, too. Nice work!
That is every bit of all right. Look forward to a trip report!
Are you sure this is not actually a UAZ prototype? Kidding aside it looks great and I am sure it will be vastly more competent than required.
The original Winterforce tires you’re using were a favorite for SCCA Rallycross competitors.
I found them great on unsurfaced roads and in snow. Much less than that on ice.
Rooftop tent! Perfect application for one. Only problem is the price.
Fantastic project. The result looks great. This might be the one and only time a Toyota Echo has been used as an upgrade! Unless it is deep mud fwd seems to do quite well off-road.
Very nice! As they might say on another site, it’s EAF. in this case, the E stands for ExBro and the AF, well you can figure it out. I do think you need at least one blatant overland accessory on the rack, like orange traction boards or a neon green yank strap. Otherwise it’s too subtle for most overland bro’s.
Nice work. For simplicity’s sake, you could simply remove one sway bar link, or just cut the one link if the hardware was frozen.
Not in this case, it was something I had suggested to Paul when he was building it, but how it is snaked in around everything means that it would contact things when articulating.
Well done, Paul! To many future adventures!
A guy at church has made a number of mods to his 2018 Outback – he takes it off road quite often. I get a little jealous twinge every time I see it….
I was sort of expecting a before and after shot.
I always thought they looked weirdly low/out of proportion from the factory while it now looks properly proportioned to me.
I still say you need to get some NRD stickers for it. Then in proper JDM fashion stick a long string of only semi related words under it.
I forgot to ask, what did you end up deciding on for tire pressure?
29 F/R, the recommended pressure. Tried the chalk test; didn’t work, between the knobby tread and my rough old concrete driveway. Maybe on a piece of smooth plywood or such?
But 29 seems ok.
I’m really enjoying this build and concept. I always liked the xB, but it always seemed just slightly alien to the American palate – city car/vanlette/?
As presented, this strikes me as being the perfect evolution. It’s as if you’ve seen the best potential xB to be carved out of that plain block of marble.
If that were a Porsche 911, it would be called a 911 Safari and sell for crazy money on Bring A Trailer! Great build. Cannot wait for your report back on EXBRO5.
Looks like it’s been a fun project. I like the enclosed sleeping arrangement, unfortunately the lack of a passenger seat means that you’ll be flying solo.
Interesting sets of mods, and clearly thought through.
Out of interest, at which point do you have to advise your insurer and/or the registration people about the changes?
When I roll it off a cliff and total it.
Roger, after all these years of seeing all the hundreds of cars modified in all sorts of much more extreme ways here (without any need to inform any insurer or registration agency) I would assume that this question would not need to be asked. Nobody cares.
If this were a newish car with full collision insurance coverage, I suppose the insurance company might theoretically have an issue. But it’s close to worthless and I have only carried liability insurance on my older cars. It’s silly to pay more for collision/comprehensive for a beater.
But the department of motor vehicles couldn’t care less if I drive it upside down or anything else. There’s no inspection in most states in the US.
Assuming UK car insurance is similar to Canada’s that’s quite a valid question in our countries. It’s not the department of motor vehicles, it’s your insurance company that cares.
Technically we’re supposed to report modifications to our insurer, presumably so they can raise our rates or cancel our policy accordingly but people with highly modified cars can land in trouble with their insurers for not reporting.
That being said I’m not at all surprised there’s no issue in the US, good luck on the trip.
Yes, I didn’t answer it correctly. My insurance company couldn’t care less if I roll it off a cliff and total it, as long as there were no cars or people or other property impacted by my fall. 🙂
I was primarily referring to the issue of “the registration people”. The issue of the lack of inspections here and the lack of interest in modifications by the registration people in the US has been referred to hundreds of times here at CC, and even by Roger. This is why folks can drive cars like this:
In many ways there is more freedom vis a vis registration in the UK vs the US.
You can import any car you like or build yourself a brand new MGB from parts. Cars have to pass inspection but it’s pretty lax and they don’t care about modifications. You can have the suspension from another car as long as it isn’t worn out.
It’s the insurance companies that make life difficult- people who convert a van to a camper make the effort to re categorize it because it will make their insurance cheaper. My wife drove a 4.6 Ford as a teenager – in the UK anything over 1.6 would have prohibitively high insurance costs for a young driver. I had an Escort 1.8 Si as a teenager and had insurance quotes for more than the car cost at 4 yrs old from the main dealer.
And yes, if you make even minor modifications to your car, they want to know so they can charge you more. If you haven’t reported even something minor they may try to wriggle out of paying a claim.
PS does anyone know whether a modified car would pass salvage inspection in Minnesota? There’s no point in me asking the DMV as you get three different answers from three different people.
As I understand it, they are mainly interested in whether the parts you used are stolen.
I know nothing about Minnesota but I have had a vin inspection for a vehicle that had been declared a total loss by the insurance company. They just wanted to check the multiple locations that the vin was on that vehicle and receipts for the major parts used to “rebuild it”. I know a person who took in a traditional hot rod and pretty much nothing was stock on it. But that was my state, not MN, and I’m willing to bet the experience may be different depending on the person who does the inspection.
It looks good and makes a refreshing change from the horde of identicalally Subaru Crosstreks that have inundated Bend.
I love your pragamatic and elegant (while simple – in the sense of no more than needed; I don’t think it was simple to visualize or build). The interior accomodations are icing on the cake.
Happy trails; I’m looking forward to the write up!
Love all of your modifications on the xB! I was wondering if you’d sleep in it, and sure enough, you’ve found a neat solution. Interesting that your tires are the same size as the optional ones on my former 1990 Mercury Sable (which had the lace alloy wheels).
I’ve been through Tonapah once with my wife and younger son, on a cross-country trip in Dec. 2005. Central Nevada was desolate, cold, but hauntingly beautiful. We saw the wild mustangs just northeast of Tonapah.
Looking forward to your trip report!
Love it, but I kinda miss the red wheels. I think you’ll be surprised at how well it works off road; I know I was surprised when I took my ’86 VW Golf places 4×4 trucks were having trouble going. I look forward to reading your trip report.
What is it with this guy and going off-road in big white FWD boxes? 😛