(first posted 12/19/2011) The utter dominance of the Volkswagen made life very difficult for anyone else vaguely close to it in price and size, such as Lloyd. Although the Lloyds were substantially smaller and weaker, the VW cost only a modest amount more, thanks to the efficiencies of the vast Wolfsburg factory. I can’t find a ready price comparison in Germany, but in the US, a 1958 Lloyd with a 24 hp 600cc two-cylinder cost just $200 less than the much roomier and more powerful VW 1200. Yes, Americans were buying Lloyds back in the day, even if in small quantities.
But not for long.
I’ll answer that question after we do a bit of Lloyd history first. And since the Lloyd was only around for barely a decade, it will be a fairly short one. The father of the Lloyd was Carl Borgward, one of Germany’s more ambitious automotive entrepreneurs. It mostly started with this 1924 Blitzkarren (lightning cart), which given that it had 2.2 horsepower, the word Blitz was obviously being used tongue-in-cheek. Hopefully, anyway.
Later versions of it were a bit larger, but still three-wheeled. It was the just right thing for the Depression, and Borgward managed to make handsome profits on the Blitzkarren, which were used to build up his automotive holdings. We won’t go into the history of the Borgward brand here, because it’s a much richer story; more like sauerbraten. Another day.
After WWII, Borgward put up most of the capital to start Lloyd, its mission to build smaller cars below the Borgward family of cars. The first product, and the one that would define almost all Lloyds, was the LP 300, of 1950. Take a good look at its skin; does it look a bit like a padded vinyl top? That’s because it is.
Given the profound lack of steel in the immediate post-war era, the Lloyd’s body was made of plywood, covered in kunstleder (vinyl covered fabric, or its equivalent at the time). It was quickly dubbed the Leukoplastbomber, after a particular brand of medical adhesive tape that was readily employed to fix tears in the fabric skin. The Band Aid Bomber.
The other expression commonly used about it was “he who is not afraid of death drives a Lloyd”. Well, like in the USA, there was a big demand for affordable cars after the war, and the Lloyd got off to a surprisingly good start, despite its fabric body, which gave way to steel by about 1954. Motivating the Lloyd was a 10 hp, 300 cc two stroke twin.
What’s significant about the Lloyd’s power train is that it was one of the very first cars to have a transverse front engine with an inline transmission, as is now used on almost all modern FWD cars, Audis (and a few others) excepted.
The plump and soft LP 300 gave way to the sleek and steely LP 400 in 1953. Here’s one exhibiting its distinctive cornering style. Like so many German cars of the era, the Lloyd had swing axle rear suspension, even though it was front wheel drive.
The LP 400’s engine was bigger, and now had 13 hp, but its steel body was heavier, so the net result wasn’t much different. There’s another expression that the Lloyd earned: “stands at the foot of the mountain and howls”, referring to its gutless two-stroke. The inline transmission is clearly visible here.
Lloyd listened, and unlike DKW, ditched the two-stroke for 1955. Now with an OHC four-stroke air-cooled twin up front with all of 600 cc, the LP 600 now had 19 hp.
Don’t laugh (too hard), it was at least as fast as the contemporary VW. And folks bought Lloyds, as evidenced by the fact that in 1955, they were the number three selling brand in Germany, after VW and Opel.
My godfather (on left) was one of them, and he had a yellow one with a sunroof like the one above. Being well over six feet, he kept the sunroof open as much as possible. He came to visit, and we all (or most of us anyway) piled in for an outing up in the mountains. Somehow the LP 600 made it, as evidenced by this picture, its four-stroke twin bleating more than howling. And as much as I liked the ride, listening to my father (right) blab on about philosophy, literature or some such thing was a bit of a bore. Why couldn’t they talk about cars?
The Lloyd benefited from regular improvements, and by 1957, the deluxe version was now called Alexander, like this cabrio version.
The Alexander even got a hi-po version, the TS, with a whopping 25 hp. A veritable pocket-rocket. Maybe that’s what my godfather had; I can’t remember that detail. The next time I saw him in 1969, he was driving an Audi Super 90. The years between 1959 and 1969 were a time of very rapid income growth in Austria.
As surprising as it may seem, Lloyds sold reasonably well in the US, during the great import boom from 1955 through 1959. This brochure has the stamp from a Milwaukee dealer on it. But then Milwaukee was populated by Germans…
The US-bound Lloyds were mostly top-line Alexanders, with 24 and 29 (gross) hp ratings, and a 70 mph top speed. Prices started at $1295 ($9600 adjusted), and the cars weighed in at about 1200 lbs. Sorry if I’m skipping around, but I’m saving the Iowa Lloyd story for the end. Hang on.
From the picture at the top of the article, Lloyd obviously made a family of commercial vehicles based on the LP series. It’s hard to find pictures of the pickup version, but the transporter and van appear to have been quite common enough.
The van was even made in short (above),
and extended-length versions. The Lloyd Grand Caravan LT600. No T&C version,
unless we can call this early version with the vinyl-fabric body a “woody”. Just like the later American woodie wagons, just no steel under the vinyl.
Room for six, with one hundred cc of engine displacement for each passenger (actually 66.6 for the 400cc LT 500). How’s that for efficient, compared to the 1850cc of engine displacement a fully loaded Mark IV afforded each of its four occupants?
We’re getting to the end of the sad Lloyd-Borgward story. Carl Borgward was a superb engineer, but his ambitions started to run ahead of his cash flow in the late fifties. Not only was he trying to compete against Mercedes in the mid-upper price levels, but his very ambitious replacement for the LP600/Alexander, the Arabella (above) may have been the final coffin nail in his empire.
As so many uncompromising technically advanced designs, it had a boxer four, now water cooled, of some 900 cc capacity (almost a full liter) and developing a rather lofty 38 to 45 hp. But development expenses hit hard, precisely when US sales of the Alexander sputtered out, in 1960. Income from US imports was a critical factor in Borgward’s finances, and the crash of the import boom directly contributed to the bankruptcy of Borgward.
I wrote about it here, but after we arrived in Iowa City in 1960, I had never expected to see another Lloyd, unaware that any had been imported. Then the hot-rodders across the street picked up a poor old clapped-out Lloyd after their ’51 Ford project car expired. They spent a whole summer driving around in it, which was pretty ridiculous: three or four big beefy guys cruising in a Lloyd without a muffler. Beat walking, I guess.
Anyway, they tried driving it down to Burlington, and it expired somewhere near there. Some years later, I drove past a junkyard just outside Burlington, and the Lloyd was now an ornament for their sign, sitting high on top of a pole. And according to a commentator, it was still there as of a few years ago.
And recently, CC reader/contributor Tom Klockau sent me this picture of this Lloyd Alexander wagon. I know Tom lives near Iowa, so I’m assuming this one is from there too. And so my Lloyd story has come full circle. Or maybe just to an end.
The LT500 is a strikingly timeless design! It would make a fine retro microvan today. Never saw it before.
That ’59 Arabella sure looks like the ’57 Studebaker. It’s got that reverse-curved C pillar, and a similar front end. Looks better on the Lloyd.
Check out the dealer stamp on the 600 brochure – Pabst Motors in Milwaukee. Did they throw in a free case of Blue Ribbon with every car?
They could have. 🙂 One August Uihlein Pabst Jr. – race car driver and scion of the Pabst brewing family – opened the dealership in 1957 to sell DKW, Triumph, Borgward, Morgan and Ace. I don’t think he was 21 years old yet.
http://www.mshf.com/hof/augie_pabst.htm
What a great guy! Only a true believer would collect such a set of brands. Thanks!!
Morgan still exists.
I should have known. Thanks.
Take a look at the new Fiat 500L! it looks very much like an old Lloyd LT 500 van.
The Lloyd HAS been reincarnated!
+1 – a very cool looking little van!
The brochure illustration has a bit of ‘Mini Countryman’ going on too (vice versa of course…).
A Lloyd Alexander? I think I would prefer a Brandy Alexander, thanks. Talk about giving a car a name! A shame that they didn’t call the model for export to the US the Lloyd Bridges or the Lloyd Bentson. Sorry 🙂
I had never heard of one of these in my life until today. A great piece about an intriguing little car. I imagine that this would have been quite the competitor to the Crosley had that company modernized its car. This was an interesting niche that must not have been big in the US. There was the much smaller King Midget, then a jump to the Rambler American or the Stude Champion. This had to be the smallest of the imports by far.
I’m pretty sure they imported some Isettas, at your friendly BMW motorcycle dealer.
I owned a Lloyd Hartnet and today – 21 Feb’, photographed the spot on the sand, where i landed u/down on the sand at Mollymook beach in NSW, in Jan’ 1964.
Probably one of the most dangerous vehicles I have ever driven. It did not roll, due to excessive speed. I remember driving to Taree and taking over 6 hours to arrive. MY FEET THOUGH THE FLOOR ‘PEDDALING’ COULD HAVE GOT ME THERE FASTER.
THANK GOD THEY DID NOT LAST!
The Goggomobile made it across the pond as well.
Nice one, thanks Paul!
JPC, don’t forget the Nash Metropolitan, built by Austin.
Yes, this is a really nice one, thanks.
Wow I havent seen a lloyd since the cavemans wrecking yard in Riverstone Sydney he had several Alexanders Those Arrabellas are very rare here A teacher at my primary school drove on after he crashed his VW it vanished once his Beetle was repaired and Ive never seen a live one since.
I’ve seen one of these, well the Lloyd-Hartnett version that was built in Australia. Sir Laurence Hartnett, who was MD of GM-Holden from 1934-48 (excl. WWII & leaving shortly before the debut of the Holden car). After the failure of the Hartnett car (designed by Jean-Albert Grégoire) in a saga that lasted from 1949-56, 3000 of the Lloyd-Hartnett were produced from 1957-62 – I would suggest most of those before 1960. From 1960 he started importing Datsuns which was finally a success.
Those are more likely what I saw The Caveman had an incredible collection of cars many in good order and hundreds of 50s vehicles it was one of those yards that you have to convince them to sell you something gone now he got redeveloped in the late 90s.
I had a 1959 Alexander TS Lloyd for one year 1965 didn’t have a heater or muffler drove her to work every day
Tantalizingly, the Wikipedia lists Lloyd EL1500 and 2500 electric vans. But I can find no trace elsewhere on the web. Ever heard of them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_(car)
Yes. I did most of my fact checking and memory-updating at the German wiki site, and they indicate that right after the war, Lloyd built some electric “trucks” for the British occupation, based on WW2 Borgward trucks. But they call them EL3000. Looks like a moderate sized military truck.
Wunderbar! I see Hansa-Lloyd built a number of Elektrolastwagen. Danke schön!
I think that I remember that Subaru bought the tooling for the Arabella and it became the the basis for all following Subaru cars. The Borgward Isabella sedan was produced in Mexico as the Borgward Azteca. My first car was a 1959 Isabella sedan. I remember it fondly.
I thought Subaru got the Lloyd Hansa flat 4 plans they were part of Borgwards empire at the time.
Subaru admits to closely looking at the Arabella engine (as well as other boxer fours), but they didn’t actually license it or buy the tooling. There are some key architectural differences between the two, along with many similarities.
You know I think I could still do pretty well with one of these. Don’t go fast but I go pretty far. Something about a rollerskate key.
Anyway, I can’t carry much hay with one so it’s out of the question but very cool. Thanks Paul
Look at the blue “car” besides the light blue minivan version. Is that a three wheeled pickup? Reminds me of Daihatsu Midget, which was popular as public transportation some decades ago in Jakarta. Amazingly, a few still survives today, even still being used to make money ferrying passengers! The amount of jurry-rigging needed to keep them running must be amazing.
It’s a Goliath Dreirad.
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/goliath-dreirad/
PS: Scroll down on that Hemmings page for the sickest Citroen you’ve ever seen.
Well, that certainly is an um…unusual… Citroen. Yet I have this crazy desire to know how it drives…
I’d bet it drives about like Clarkson’s Reliant Robin…
The Goliath would, although the one on the Hemmings link that Mike posted is airborne! It’s the Citroen Dyane that Mike refers to on the Hemmings link that I’d like to know more about!
Thank you! Very interesting vehicle. I’ve never heard of it before. This is what makes visiting CC so interesting. You learn something new once in a while! Though it’s kinda funny and ironic that a company that makes this thing chooses to name itself “Goliath”!
It is ironic! One would think “David” would have been the better name.
The Wikipedia article does carry this photo of the Goliath Atlas, a more conventional four-wheeled truck with a most unconventional driver’s door.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_(car)
Here’s an article I did last year on another three-wheeler: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/10/tempo-boy-the-other-tempo-three-wheeled-truck-200cc-and-world-speed-record-holder/
From the sound of the article these must corner better than Clarksons Reliant Robin
3 wheeler trucks were very common in Greece in one form or another, during the 60s. I don’t know about now. I recall our family taking a ferry from the main land of Greece to the island of Crete. A very heavily loaded 3 wheel truck attempted to drive up a steep ramp to the ferry, and his front wheel went up in the air. He had to back up the ramp instead. As a young kid, I found that amusing.
Fascinating story! I don’t think the Lloyd name was ever used here in NZ, as the Hansas/Alexanders/Arabellas I’ve seen were all badged as Borgward. There was a beautiful unrestored Borgward-badged Lloyd for sale here on trademe earlier this year. I think it was an Alexander. Speaking of Borgward, there were several Isabellas still around when I was growing up in the 80s, I always like their looks, and look forward to the Borgward article at a later date!
I had a Lloyd Alexander in the ’60’s, in Masteron, NZ, great little car, competed in Wairarapa Car Club gymkhanas. Still have photos of it.
Hi, a most informative article. My Dad had a 600 cc Lloyd Alexander in the 1960’s, Hastings, NZ. It was a pinkish colour with a white roof. I remember this as our first family car. There might still be some slides of it. In the 1950’s my dad owned a 1936 SS (Swallow Swift), shame he didn’t keep it.
Hi Bill, I have a Borgward Isabella and am interested in the history of Borgward (and related marques) in NZ. Any chance you could contact me regarding any photo’s you may have?
Hi all,
Can anyone help with old photos of Lloyd/Borgward Alexander photos in New Zealand, I have just purchased a 1957 along with my step son and we are about to embark on the journey of restoration. I don’t know a lot of history in regards to the New Zealand market and need help with indicator spec’s etc as these have been removed and we will be on the search to return to standard.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Regards
Quentin.
Hi Quentin,
If you contact me via my email I can probably put you in contact with the previous owner of your car (from a few owners ago) who has some good knowledge – you may have made contact already…
Cheers
Aaron
I wonder…if these were imported to Japan would they have been referred to as Rroyds?
I remember knowing these existed back in the day – saw pictures in the car mags – but I haven’t actually seen any more of them than I have three-wheeled trucklets.
Merry Christmas, the only one I could find for sale within 750 miles was in your area, http://cedarrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2734944602.html
And go figure, I kind of like Cedar Rapids.
Kind of off topic, but is Pepsi still fooling with that Pepsi Next stuff in Iowa? I saw it this summer when my church group went up to Cedar Rapids to help with flood damage repair.
The long wheelbase version of the van intrigues me, but man, I can’t imagine how long it would take to get to 60 MPH in one of those things. Empty would be bad enough, but fully loaded?
That LP400 in its full off-camber turn, looks plenty scary. It looks like it might fall over. Obviously it didn’t, but still…
I do like the Arabella, it has a late ’50’s Ford (or Stude) kind of vibe going for it.
Didn’t Borgward or Lloyd make the Thunderbird “ahem” tribute car?
Greetings Geozinger. You may be thinking of the Auto Union 1000 Sport. Beautiful and quite pricey today. Check ’em out.
I grew up with such Lloyds. Terrible, annoying cars. Nothing, but a high-pitched, howling noise at every speed. If you’ve ever seen a Lloyd after running against some tiny pole or tree at very moderate speeds (no chance to drive too fast) you would understand the saying “Wer den Tod nicht scheut, fährt Lloyd”
Compared to contemporary offerings, as, e.g., the 2CV, 4CV, Fiat 500, even the first NSU Prinz, the Lloyd family cars simply were a disaster.Absolutely no selling point (ugly, underpowered, slow, not that cheap, unsafe, of course, too).
This is the car I’ll never miss.
I have a 1960 lloyds alexander ts much like the blue one pictured.going to repaint and I am looking for window weatherstripping for windshield,rear glass and both 1/4 windows any help?? thanks
Started looking at CC after a few years break and found this. Our next-door neighbor in Berkeley, California, briefly sold Lloyds out of his home when I was young. This would have been the early ’60’s I think, and there was a wagon in his garage for many years, slowly sinking into the ground. Interestingly, the man across the street had a nice Borgward Isabella. My parents’ first car was a 1954 Hillman Minx, bought new, and they considered replacing it with a Vauxhall Victor, before settling on a Volvo 544. That was the first of three Volvos which were their only cars for 50 years, until my mom stopped driving in 2010. Neighbors down the street had a 544, TR3 and later, an Austin America, and in the early ’70’s new neighbors moved in with a Honda 600 coupe. In hindsight, there weren’t a lot of “normal” cars on our block! Even today, one of the residents on that block continues the tradition with a Pontiac Aztek.
Nice.. I have a lp500 woody model…
I just bought a verry large private classic car collection and one is a 1960 Lloyd Alexander TS cabrio. It needs restoration but I think I have gathered all the parts to make it complete. Can any one tell me what they think it is worth and how rare it is. All of my cars are in California with little rust.
Thanks Bob
Hi Bob,
regarding current prices (in Germany) have a look at the following link: http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/andere-andere-lloyd-alexander-600-ts-oldtimer-langelsheim/177921912.html?lang=en&pageNumber=1&__lp=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&makeModelVariant1.makeId=1400&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=Lloyd&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&negativeFeatures=EXPORT
Herbert
I have some new pics of the Lloyd Alexander TS. I also just listed it on Craigslist in Los Angeles CA to see what kind of offers i get. I also have all kinds of glass for 1950’s Cadillac, chryslers, chevy, Buick and more.
Bob.
More pics.
and more.
and one more.
new pics
There’s a ’58 Lloyd Alexander Wagon for sale around here. It’s been set up for a small block Chevy. The seller says he has spare body parts too. The car is solid body wise.
I will probably see it at a car show this weekend if anyone might be interested. I think they were asking $4500 or so for it.
Hi guys so I picked up a 59 lloyd alexander lp 600 earlier this year the previous owner had started turning it into a rat rod project but lost interest. I picked it up and due to the shoty welding I have started from scratch and I’m building a street strip frame with the back 2/3 of the body hope you guys enjoy really love this car
I sure like it. I hope you are able to put the grille up front. Without it a lot of people will ask if this is a Mini.
And to think I drive a garden tractor today with more power than most of these cars kind of boggles the mind.
Well, when these were new, just to own a car in Germany or Austria was a dream many people could only realize if the vehicle in question was something like a Lloyd. Or even worse (e.g., bubble cars). It’s almost unthinkable today but they drove such contraptions from north Germany to the south of Italy on holidays…
I’ve heard that the first version of the Subaru flat 4 was patterned on the Lloyd Arabella engine. Does anyone know if this is true?
Subaru looked at several flat fours before designing their own, including the Lancia, VW and the Arabella. It has similarities to them all, and differences too. Some have claimed that the Subaru licensed or directly copied the Arabella engine, but it’s just not the case. Too many differences.
Great history. Thanks for re-posting. I’ve only seen one Borgward in person and never a Lloyd. I think its hard for Americans (or probably Germans) born after about 1960 to realize how big a VW was compared to much of its competition. A modern Mini is so much larger than the original. The Fiat 500 is still too big, but closest to the original in size and style.
I think the American Pickers found and bought one of the ‘Grand Caravan’ versions not too long ago (iirc). Interesting little machines.
Yeah, that episode just aired in Australia. Mike called it “English” and they effectively got it for nothing.
Missed this story the first time around. Don’t remember ever seeing one of these cars. The early fabric covered cars at least would be dent resistant in case of a hail storm. The Van is kind of in interesting looking vehicle. Never realized a few were actually sold in the US, they must have quickly disappeared.
My father, a Ford Aerospace engineer, picked up an air cooled 600cc ’56-57 Lloyd engine at the junk yard in Long Beach in 1962 with the intent of using it in a hybrid car he was building. When he floated the idea of a hybrid to Ford in Detroit they laughed him out of the room. Seems that the oil companies owned a lot of Ford stock. I have the engine and transmission in San Francisco if anyone is interested. I believe the car only had a few thousand miles on it – but the engine hasn’t been run since about ’61.
Dețin mai multe piese de Lloyd din1957 cu motor de 600cm de fapt este o mașină întreaga demontată și aș vrea s-o vand
I bought my first Lloyd Hartnett in 1958,it was an Alexander , 19 HP. this car travelled seventy eight thousand miles in the eight years that I owned it , apart from tyres , fan belt and two rear engine mounts that is all the repairs it had, and was still going strong when I sold it.’ This mighty little car took our family of 5 all over NSW and Qld for all that time.
at present we have 1x Lloyd Hartnett Alexander 1957 1x Lloyd Hartnett Alexander TS 1959 model 1x Lloyd Alexander TS 1960 model, these are all running on historic rego..
Under restoration 1x Lloyd 600 LT Lang 6 window , 3 doors… We need a gearbox shifter shaft with a 14 tooth [small helical tooth gear] any info might help. Norm
THE LIOYD TS WAS THE FIRST CAR THAT I BOUGHT IN GERMANY WHILE STATIONED THERE
Interesting – an Alexander was also my first car in Germany in ’66.
I’m actually looking for one now. I’d like to have one to play with. I’m eyeing 3 on the east coast, which is a serious committment, since I;m in Missouri and it’s 1200 miles one way to get one – or all 3.
There have been some here in the midwest. I have talked to several people who have known of some, and there was a very old ad by a guy in Collinsville, Illinois who wanted to sell his stash of 20 Lloyds and a room full of parts, but that was 18 years go. i might drive over one day and see if anyone remembers and might know where it all went.
If anyone knows of one for sale feel free to email me at gene.gruender@gmail.com
It is known whether the Arabella Flat-4 can be easily installed into the Alexander or if there were plans to fit a more powerful engine?
The Arabella is a flat four north-south engine. The Alexander is a transverse twin. Armed with this info, you can no doubt come to your own conclusion.
There are .pdf owner’s manuals in English for the various Alexanders. The first one is a riot as it is very wryly written. I personally cannot work up any enthusiasm at all for the Alexander. It had the dual transverse leaf springs acting as wishbones at the front so beloved of many cheaper European vehicles for decades. Why Lloyd picked a swing axle for the rear suspension of a FWD vehicle, and then suspended each of the axles on fore-and-aft leaf springs with fancy hinges and special rubber bushes to accomodate an otherwise unrealizable geometry, is a mystery only Carl Borgward can answer. I never could work out why Ford chose a Twin I–beam front end for its pickups either, after using a cheapo beam axle for the greater part of the 20th century — another mystery to me. Perhaps Borgward was impressed how Lancia changed the squirelly independent rear suspension of the original 1948 RWD Aurelia to a leaf-sprung deDion, which was real left-field thinking. Who knows?
The Lloyd Arabella owner’s manual .pdf has towards the end, three automotive porn cutaway diagrams of the engine, front and rear suspensions. Lovely design, even if there were reportedly teething troubles like engine water leaks. Those cutaways are just SUPERB, I have to say. The rear suspension at the unpowered rear axle has two incredibly robust trailing arms, coils and shocks. The front suspension is dual A-arms, coil springs and shocks mounted on the upper arm — Audi copied that layout for the 60, 75, 90 and 100 FWD cars of the middle to late ’60s — not too different from the Falcon/Mustang set-up, but not anchored to sheet steel inner fender liners for that Ford torsional self-steering effect. The Arabella has such stout pieces, that the 900cc giving 38 hp of roaring spitting flat-four power wouldn’t have bothered it the slightest bit. The crossover tube piece between shock towers cements that impression. Rugged. Put a Subie turbo in that car, and it would dance the blacktop from one ditch to the other in an orgy of torque steer, because the car only weighed about 1600 lbs originally ready to roll. It’s not very big.
The original 1966 1.0 litre Subaru flat four of 55 wildly optimistic Japanese horsepower, apes the 1960 Lancia Flavia flat four in having two camshafts, one for each bank, but being Subaru and different, they drove them by gears from the rear of the crankshaft just in front of the flywheel. That profligacy was soon engineered out with the subsequent EA engine, much as was their weird front torsion bar suspension, which, back-to-front, anchored the bars at the front bumper instead of under the front passenger seats like everyone else. Inasmuch as all flat fours have to have similarities of layout, I don’t see that Subaru copied anyone exactly, but hewed to their own unorthodox course, and cleaned up the layout considerably in neat Japanese fashion.
Oh yes, the Lloyd manuals in English link:
http://www.lloydselig.com/technicals.shtml
Look at literature, Operations Manuals. The Arabella is the last one when you arrive on the page. The funny Alexander one is the first, complete with cartoons!
(The image included is Subaru’s first flat-four for the 1966 model year, and shows that only they and the new ’66 Toronado had the world’s first modern inner plunge joints for FWD axles)
Back in 1959, a newly wed couple from Benld, Illinois, were honeymooning in NYC. The husband ended up on the Price Is Right program and won top prizes. One of the prizes was a Lloyd. Anyway, he had no use for it and ended up selling it on his return to my older brother’s soon to be wife. They drove it for a while until the novelty wore of and ended up selling it. I remember it well. I was 13 and a car enthusiast since I was about 5. Couldn’t get over the 4-speed column shifter and the fact that it was only a 2 cylinder car! And those tires reminded me of riding lawn mower tires. Although I must admit that the vehicle did impress me–I never forgot about it! Have often wondered how it ended up!
I own a 1957 LT 600 Lloyd pickup truck that i am currently restoreing. I curious how many of these still are in existence.
Missed this one the first couple times. Did the folks in East Germany crib that 2-stroke powerplant for the Trabant, or is it just coincidence?
Evan, the Trabi engine was based on the pre-war DKW twin.
They heated the interior by scooping air off the engine?
Pretty sure I’ve never heard of or seen these before.
Since the Lloyd 400 would go on to form the basis of the Suzuki Suzulight SF Series down to the latter even being powered by a downselved copy of the Lloyd 400 2-cylinder two-stroke engine, to what extent were the later 2/3-cylinder two-stroke Suzuki engines distantly related to the Lloyd?
The one and only Lloyd I’ve seen looks very similar to the red one pictures except for sitting up on a straight front axle and powered by an early Olds Rocket V8.
About 30 years ago I found a Lloyd 600 in a ravine, the bottom half of the car buried in sand and mostly rusted away. So I grabbed the unused Lloyd 600 service book from the dashboard and I’ve had it ever since. It’s still got all the tear-out service coupons, plus the car info & owner’s info pages have never been filled out. If someone can use it, let me know. [Paul, it’s OK to give out my email info.]
One of the guys at the USAF AC&W radar site where I was stationed, west of Bartlesville OK in 1960, had a Goliath that he and his buddy used to drive around in. I was always impressed by the aggressive way he’d drive that thing up our fairly steep hill. I just looked those cars up in my copy of Georgano’s automotive encyclopedia to confirm its membership in the Borgward canon, and according to that 1959 was Goliath’s last year of life … so this would have been an orphan already.
What is kind of funny is that my own vehicle was even more of an orphan: a 1947 125cc James motorcycle, “powered” by a 2-cycle Villiers single. Its evolution lagged a good bit behind the Goliath’s, though; a few years later I was reading a book about British motorbikes, and there was a photo of a James identical to mine … taken at its Earls Court introduction in 1927!
I was one of the few on the base who were on a casually friendly basis with the regular passenger in the Goliath; there were standing rumors about their relationship, and I was turned down flat when I expressed interest in riding along sometime. What a different and pricklier world we had then …
I have a copy of “A Small Car In Your Family – A Consumer Reports Publication” from 1959. It is really fun to read. It includes road tests and reviews of a number of cars, mostly European, but also covers the new domestic compacts. It groups the cars by list price and the Lloyd Alexander TS is in “Group 1 – Below $1500”.
The other members of this group are BMW 600 ($1398), Citroen 2CV ($1195), Fiat 600 ($1398), Goggomobil T-700 ($1595), NSU Prinz ($1398) and Renault 4CV ($1345). I am not sure why they included Goggomobil in this group as it is too expensive. At 25hp the Lloyd is in the middle as the others range from 22hp to 30hp (except Citroen at 12hp). An interesting group of competitors. Unfortunately they only road tested the Fiat, Renault and NSU, but they do give a short description of the Lloyd. They also mention the larger and recently introduced Lloyd 900 and expect it to be better but more expensive.
Here is the description:
Lloyd Alexander TS ($1395)
West German. A Carl Borgward product. This two-door bantam (1250 lbs.) has a two-cylinder opposed, air-cooled front engine driving the front wheels, which are independently suspended. The finish of the unit-body car is unexciting. Vision is good. Seats are low and the back seat just about qualifies as space for adults. Piston displacement is close to 600 cc. (36 cu. in.). The cylinders are slightly oversquare. Engine bearings are anti-friction ball or roller. The transmission has synchromesh on all four speeds and is geared to a maximum speed of 60-plus mph. The car, partly because of its low weight, can be expected to handle with ease and precision.
Thank you Paul. I howled with laughter at the descriptions awarded these cars “stands at the foot of the mountain and howls”. I remember a journalist’s comment on his Alfa’s journey to the garage, yet again, for further repair, yet again.
“If money talks; all it’s ever said to me is GOODBYE”
Those with their copy of the new Road & Track will recognize in the Alexander another (and remarkable) precursor to the styling of the 1991 Figaro ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Figaro
I love how that US brochure makes the 600 look long and low like a typical American car.
Hi!
I’ve been following this neat site for years now, and very fond of it too! I really like the constructive and well mannered comments from the hole group. Good job Paul and all the rest og you:)
My late aunt and uncle were very enthuastic about Lloyd, he build several in his garage, as the game as kit cars from factory here in Denmark.
I found this photo of us three from around 2010. I remember the van as really cramped, but both aunt and uncle were short folks, so it worked fine for them. They made it into a camper, with benches in the back! By the way, i’m 182cm high, without shoes!
Best regards Tage
In 1969 I found a Lloyd in wrecking yard at Ft Worth,Tx, bought it for $20.00. Engine was single cylinder and drove left front wheel. Body was like VW bolted to pan. Removed body,cut pan into taking out front seats and movind rear seat for driving. Did not have much power or speed but it was neat little buggy.
I have a 1960 Lloyd 600 Panel Van. It’s been in the family since 1973. The registration had shown it was on Catalina Island. In the start of Year 1990 I did my best to refurbish it. My completion was at the end of 1993. Oops, forgot to mention the top was cut off when I received it. We have had a lot of fun drives and still drive it today.
Along the way I found another 1960 Lloyd Panel Van. The front seats and the brake lights are not original. All else is. I have not refurbished this one.
( Also for sale ). I have also found many engine parts and drive parts.
Not sure who may read this, but If interested in more info please let Mark know.