posted at the Cohort by Corey Behrens
So much has been said about the dramatic downsizing of the 1962 Dodge and Plymouth, unfortunately much of it is bunk. All the old saws about how they came to be never made sense to me, so I took on the subject based on the objective evidence and history rather than hearsay and convenient stories. I’m mostly satisfied with my take, although there’s probably room for more confirmation of my theories and conclusions. I’d love to have access to board meeting minutes from 1959 and 1960; this decision had to have been approved by the board.
But there’s a whole second chapter to this story that I didn’t get into then, and that’s the impact on Chrysler and Imperial. Since Chrysler and Imperial originally were conceived to share a single new body shell with Plymouth and Dodge for 1962, when the latter two were downsized, it also killed the planned ’62 Chrysler and Imperials. The result was an improvised fall back, and hardly state-of-the-art in 1963-1964.
In 1959, Exner and his team were quite far along on what would be a clean-sweep new line of cars for 1962, dubbed the S-series. All the divisions except Imperial had already been sharing the same basic full-size body shell, but because the Imperial’s sales dropped precipitously after 1957, the plan was to consolidate it with the rest of the Chrysler family, and close the small plant that built the unique BOF Imperial. That was right in line with the dramatic cost-cutting already well under way at Chrysler after its disastrous 1958, when sales plummeted and resulted in massive losses. The clay on the upper right corner is for the ’62 Imperial, clearly sharing the same body as the Chrysler next to it, and the DeSoto one further to the left, as well as the other brands all shown here.
Chrysler had been coasting for far too long on its pre-war #2 status, and its cost structure was bloated. 1958 was the year of reckoning, when all big cars suddenly looked like white elephants, and sales dropped across the industry, but most of all at Chrysler. There followed two years of successive waves of lay-offs and cost cutting. That was the real reason the ’62 Dodge and Plymouth were downsized; Chrysler assumed the big car was dying, and these new S-Series were going to be bigger and more expensive to build than ever, given their radical curved side glass.
The only picture of these S-series cars that shows the Chrysler properly is this one. I suspect, and hope, that it wasn’t the final one, as it’s a classic out-there Exner-mobile.
These are undoubtedly a bit further along, having been toned down some.
The DeSoto looks a lot more down to earth.
As does the Imperial, at least in relative terms. The Imperial is the one to look at some more, as it’s clearly what most influenced the actual 1963-1964 Chrysler.
Unlike previous tales about the drastic decision to downsize happening in the summer of 1960 after VP William Newberg heard from Ed Cole at a garden party or golf course that Chevy was going to build a smaller car, there’s photographic evidence that this decision actually took place very late in 1959. The first order of business was to downsize the Dodge and Plymouth.
In these shots from February 1960, it is very evident that the Dodge has been downsized, and looking very much in its final form. But the Imperial, on the upper right and lower left, is still as previously planned, with the new S-Series body. Obviously these S-series cars were stylistically iffy, with lots of fussy details and questionable design. Chrysler execs might well have seen them as their Edsel. They needed to go.
It’s impossible to say for certain if the S-Series Imperial and Chrysler were killed at the exact same time, but logic overwhelmingly suggests that it was so. It would have been completely contradictory to the whole reason—to save money—to do otherwise. But what to do instead? The stylists were all pressed into action to redo the 1962 Dodge and Plymouth.
The solution was to do essentially nothing. Well, not totally nothing. Exner removed the fins.
What they really did is graft on the rear end of the ’61 Dodge (bottom), and clean up its extruding fins. But the key body parts (trunk, header panel, bumper) are the same, or virtually the same.
And, contrary to what has been repeated endlessly, his famous comment about the ’62s being “plucked chickens” was actually about the ’62 Chrysler and the ’61 Plymouth and Dodge, as Exner still thought the fins were a key stylistic element to these cars. It makes so much more sense too, since chickens have flamboyant tail feathers. Now they really had been plucked.
The Imperial was plucked too, but otherwise both were largely carry-overs.
Once the ’62 Dodge and Imperial were put to bed, Exner and his team did the best they could with what they had to work with: the previous body shell, including its tell-tale wrap-around windshield. Various elements of the S-Series cars were incorporated, to the extent possible. The final rendering of the ’63 Valiant on the wall dates the top two photos to late 1960 or so. The lower one was a bit less far along.
The 126″ wheelbase (New Yorker) was cut, and all the models consolidated on the 122″ wheelbase. A semi-downswing. And very much a fall-back.
In 1960, Chrysler was still reeling from the continued drop of big car market share that was affecting the whole industry and Chrysler disproportionately. That secular decline would enjoy a brief upswing in 1963 and 1964, before continuing its long terminal decline.
There’s also this rendering for a ’63 Imperial, from December 1960. It appears that moving the Imperial to the Chrysler body was contemplated for 1963, as this appears very much to share its body. This would also have allowed the Imperial plant to shut down. But presumably it was felt that this would be too similar to a Chrysler to justify still maintaining it as a stand-alone brand, and the ’62 Imperial was carried over with very minor changes. The Imperial would limp along in its BOF form a couple more years, before being consolidated on the Chrysler unibody in 1967.
The final result was…compromised. It obviously still used major elements of the old unibody shell. The windshield, and the flat side windows and other elements give it away as being far from really new. It was done on the quick and cheap.
I was ten when these came out, and by then an expert in these details, so Chrysler didn’t fool me for a second. I could recognize that windshield from a mile away. It looked cobbled-up.
There weren’t many really new cars in 1963, except for three stand-outs at GM: the Riviera, the Sting Ray and the Grand Prix. Needless to say, the difference between the “new” Chrysler and the Riviera was all too obvious.
But that’s not to say the Chrysler didn’t have its charms. It appealed to the typical Chrysler loyalist: men who were convinced Chrysler engineering was superior, even if its build quality was notoriously inconsistent. And it sort of sold reasonably ok: 129k in 1963, the same as the big 1962 “plucked chickens”.
Chrysler’s new Chief of Styling, Elwood Engel, arrived from Ford after the ’63s were done. He did nothing, except to say “These are good-looking cars. What’s the big deal?” Well, he probably was referring more to the cleaned up ’63 Plymouth and Dodge line, as well as the majorly-restyled Valiant and Dart. Who knows what he said about the Chrysler; I rather suspect not very much, as it was anything but the kind of styling he favored. But what was he going to do? He put his energies to a completely new design for the big cars in 1965, did a quick Lincoln-esque make-over on the ’64 Imperial, and leaned up a few details on the ’64 Chrysler.
The front end was de-Exnerized a bit, with the headlights now inside a chunk of bright metal, and the grille cleaned up a wee bit.
The rear end got a bit more working over, with these new taillights replacing the circular ones, among other things. The oddest thing is that it sprouted little…fins! Did the ghost of Exner past appear?
Seriously! Here’s the ’63, in case you don’t believe me. Of course it was Engel who added them. He didn’t like the downward sloping rear ends on the Chrysler as well as the ’63 Valiant, when seen in profile. The fins were intended to make the tails look a bit more squared-up.
This little fin on the Valiant was the only change Engel made to the 1963 Chrysler line. How ironic is that? And he did it on the ’64 Chrysler; presumably there wasn’t enough time to make it on the ’63.
Related:
My Take on the Downsized 1962 Dodge and Plymouth
A somewhat different take on the 1963 Chryslers by JPCavanaugh
Is there a hint of Peugeot 404 in the front end of that DeSoto proposal, or is it the other way around? 🙂
I wondered the same thing, it’s almost as if we could call it “predictive programming” now then Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen and Opel are all under the Stellantis umbrella.
Btw, there’s one more article I saw about the downsizing of the 1962 Dodge and Plymouth.
Really? The 404’s front end was just an evolution of Pininfarina favorite front end that he put on a large number of cars, starting in the mid ’50s. with the Florida coupe and seen on so many Ferraris in the second half of the ’50s. It became generic, and was old hat by 1958-1959, when this DeSoto was styled.
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/pininfarinas-revolutionary-florida-the-most-influential-design-since-1955/
I like the earlier fins, but the ’62 Imperial may have the greatest tail lights ever put on a car.
I am confused about the 118 inch wheelbase and downsizing you attribute to these cars. It is my understanding that the only downsizing was that the New Yorker lost its long 126 inch wheelbase and joined the Newport on the 122 inch span that went back to 1958 on the Windsor. That would be a perfectly natural cost-cutting move – given Chrysler’s low volumes, a New Yorker-Only wheelbase with unique front end sheetmetal would not really make much sense.
That 122 inch wheelbase was short enough, in the range of mid/lower medium priced cars – the New Yorker was certainly outgunned in length compared with C body Buicks and Oldsmobiles.
I suspect that the cancellation of DeSoto was part of this discussion. As of 1961 Chrysler had not seen a 100k unit year since 1957 and without some additional volume from DeSoto (another 25-50k cars from 1958-60) there was no way an all-new, unique body would make any sense at all – especially not to an accountant like Lynn Townsend.
Yeah, I noticed the 118/122 in. anomaly as well.
The ‘63-‘64 Chryslers are a lot bigger in person (to my eyes) than they appear to be in pictures.
This is what happens when you start out writing an Outtake just before bed time and get carried away. I had the 4″ reduction of the New Yorker’s wheelbase in mind, and then applied it hastily to the Newport.
Text fixed now.
The ironic part is that the much-maligned 1962 Dodge and Plymouth platform would end up helping the corporation stay competitive over the long run.
For 1965, Chrysler Corporation could simply reposition it as an intermediate to counter the GM A-bodies, Ford Fairlane/Mercury Comet and Rambler Classic. The all-new 1965 C-body would then be shared among all three divisions, which would provide the necessary volume to make it viable.
This is what they did, well sort of, for the 1962 Dodge Polara and Plymouth when they morphed into the 1965 midsize/intermediate Coronet and Belvedere. Dodge dusted off the Coronet monicker hoping then it still resonated to some customers which it did. There was more 1965 Coronet sold than 1965 Polara/880/Monaco.
Then I wonder what if Chrysler had decided then the C-body would be a stretched version of the B-body allowing more interchangable parts?
This is weird. On my screen I have the option the edit or delete Stephane’s post! And yet I haven’t seen that function when I’ve been posting today.
Edit – since I posted my comment, the edit/delete on Stephane’s has disappeared.
I get that sometimes too. It doesn’t actually let met edit someone else’s posts.
Sometimes the option to edit my own post doesn’t appear until I make a second post to the same thread, after which both of my posts become editable.
Always puzzled me why they didn’t carry over the 4 door hardtop body to the intermediates. At least for ’65, it was already engineered. Of course, it would have made more sense if they also came out with a Chrysler brand intermediate – what price Chrysler Coronado?
One does wonder how they would have handled a 4dr hardtop on the ’66-’67 body shell. Maybe something like the ’67 full size Plymouth, scaled down.
Great insight. Thanks. They were not the prettiest cars of all time!
Very interesting piece as it does some needed mythbusting in the downsizing timeline. The pre-production photos of most of those cars look like something from an alternate universe. If I were making an alternate history movie set in the 60’s I’d probably use those designs but glad in the time line I live in they didn’t actually build any of them as pictured.
Being a “typical Chrysler loyalist” myself, I see a lot of appeal in the ’64 Chrysler. It’s not a car I expect to see in any numbers where I live but they do pop up and most of them in quite serviceable condition. In my travels between my house and my mother’s about three counties away, I’d pass by a car lot consisting of fixed up cars from the late 30’s to the late 60’s and for a brief time there was a beautiful white ’64 New Yorker I’d catch a decent glance at as I passed by. As I have a soft spot for these cars, it would have been really tempting were it not for the fact I already have four old Mopars at home and not willing to let go of any of them to make room for this one. Temptation was taken away by the ’64 finding a home with someone else.
Great article. This series should finally lay to rest the story that the 1962 downsizing happened solely as a result of an overheard comment at a party. Things don’t work that way in modern corporations.
There are other photos of the final version of the S-Series 1962 Chrysler floating around on the internet. Here is a photo of would have been a 1962 New Yorker four-door hardtop. The photo has also appeared in an issue of Collectible Automobile. https://www.shannons.com.au/library/news/FDUF8F0KS1V6VAC2/index.html?page=32
Thanks for the link to the Shannons article. I don’t want to blow my horn, but their narrative of what happened at Chrysler at the time sounds more than a bit familiar, since it follows mine rather closely, published a couple of years earlier. Seems like it’s made a bit of an impact.
Up to the time I stuck my head out and wrote that, I’d never read a logical accounting of the downsizing. All the previous accounts lacked consistent timelines as well credible reasons as to the causes.
You’re welcome. I actually like the S-Series as originally envisioned by Exner, but I don’t think they would have been a success. Too far out of the mainstream compared to what GM was doing.
It’s amazing how the “garden party” story has been accepted as fact over the years, even though it really doesn’t hold up after a thorough investigation. I’ve even seen it in a Collectible Automobile article.
Interesting article indeed but they should also mention other proposals like what Don Kopka, former Chrysler and Ford designer once suggested for the 1962 DeSoto. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/9a/d8/169ad89e91934263dfd2114870ffd382.jpg
The front end got some 1964 Mercury vibes and the roofline with its 6-windows design is remeniscent of the 1965 Chrysler Newport and Dodge 880.
BRAVO, Paul! Another Tour de Force deep dive into MOPAR History. Sublime Archival Chrysler Stylist photography. Being a 1960 Baby, I can appreciate the zeitgeist of my favorite Brand as I came into the world. . . Cheers from San Francisco!
It’s ironic to me that by the early 60’s it was clear Chrysler was failing to compete in the full-size market, but Chrysler kept trying until 1977, the final year of the C body Plymouth and Dodge, then finally gave up after 1981, competing with stretched K cars and the RWD Fifth Avenue. Then Chrysler returned to the full-size market with the quite successful 1993 LH program and then the 2005 LX program. Chrysler now has all that’s left of the domestic full-size market.
Hey, cool! I’ve always found the ’64 Chryslers appealing through my I-wasn’t-there-at-the-time eyes, but I can see how much more coherent the design would’ve been with curved side glass.
One thing snagged my attention:
I can’t quibble with the date, but maybe a little about that finality—I see two other pictures in addition to the production-looking ’63 Valiant pic on the right. On the left is a more-or-less production ’63 Valiant but with quad headlamps, and in the middle is…what is that? The front end smacks of ’63 Dart, but the rest of the car surely doesn’t.
The proposed ’62 DeSoto is a sharp-lookin’ car. The proposed ’62 Chrysler…er…go drunk, Exner, you’re home.
Well, the final design is there along with some losing designs. Yes, strictly speaking, perhaps the Valiant design wasn’t yet locked in at the time. Who knows. Stuff like that was kept on the walls for a while; free artwork. 🙂
Looks like a Dart in-process. But I can’t be sure.
One of the studio photos show a white car with the trunk open. Looks remarkably like a ’64 Dodge 880 four door.
Interesting, I had never really thought about the Chrysler/imperial side of the 1962 story before, and the plucked chickens quote makes so much more sense to me in context.
I have to say though, I like the Exner 63 design better than the Engel 64 cleanup, his additions seem kind of cluttered.
As someone who loves the exuberant cars of the late ’50s-early ’60s, I have to say these S-Series cars are . . . um, what’s the word . . . HIDEOUS! That’s it! Just too much! I’m starting to believe the LSD theory. They make the production 61-62 Plymouth & Dodge seem conservative! Can you imagine if they were actually manufactured as shown? Compare these to what GM & Ford were doing at the time. Like the gruesome-looking “all-new” ’57 Packards & Clippers that never saw the light of day, some things were never meant to be, thank goodness!
The best looking car in this post is the black ’62 Imperial. Really sharp in profile! Here’s an even better angle . . .
Looking at the 63 Chrysler from rear 3/4 view, tail lights, bumper, flat side glass aside, it could be a car from 1973, ironic when you walk around the front and the windshield, which looked so good in 1957 looks so dated.
I am just not a fan of any of these early 60’s Chrysler products. Too fussy. Very different from the Ford and GM cars. I think the Riviera and the 63 Split Window Corvette are two of the most gorgeous cars ever produced. The Chrysler’s can’t even compare.
I am reminded of a trip in a 1963 Chrysler Newport. 1963 was my senior year in our small Arkansas school district, which struggled to stay above 300 students in all grades. If the total enrollment fell below 300, we would have been forced to merge with a neighboring School District. The Chrysler belonged to our superintendent who was taking two or three of the senior class from our Arkansas River Valley Town to the university in Fayetteville to introduce us around to people he knew there. The route involved two lane roads through the Ozarks and I rode shotgun while he did a lot of Shifting with his floorshifted manual transmission.
Obviously, styling is subjective, but to me these are the last holdout of ’50’s styling excess that lasted into almost the mid-sixties. There’s not one thing I like about them.
Local Valiants didnt have the finlet and look better.
I remember going with Dad to Dulaney Chrysler-Plymouth, back then it was behind Hutzler’s in Towson, in the Fall of ’63 to look at the new models. He and I were both
impressed by a cream-beige colored Newport in the showroom. It had very little chrome and a smooth, simple and sculptured body that seemed very different from the Chryslers of the previous 5 or 6 years, though evidently it was just a major facelift on the previous chassis. It was just a very clean and elegant looking car, nicer than the more bedecked NY’er, at least in my eyes, with an attractive and business-like dashboard. To this day that year and model Chrysler remains a favorite. He did end up buying a cream colored car, but it was a ’63 Ford Country Sedan station wagon from Thorne Ford in Catonsville that 7 years later became my first car.
PS – I really like the S-Series DeSoto, it looks like the big brother of the ’62 Dart/Dodge and especially the rear of the Plymouths! Wish they had made it.
Well, I personally love all of those concepts, it’s a shame that more of them weren’t made for production cars, and love the design all the way around. But I’m probably a little bit bias because I own a 1964 New Yorker.
Lyrics of a Chrysler Newport radio commercial. I do not know exactly which year because Chrysler maintained the same base price for a few years.
The Chrysler Newport is here, the Price Surprise of the year!
A steal on wheels, a deal on wheels for only Twenty Nine Sixty Four!
Did you say, Two Nine Six Four? (UH-HUH!)
We thought a Chrysler cost more! (UH-UH!)
Just Twenty Nine Sixty Four parks a crisp new Chrysler Newport at your door!
Another great piece of the puzzle, Paul. I’d love to read those Board minutes, too.
I wonder if another factor in the Plymouth/Dodge downsizing was the success of Rambler in the late 50s, and George Romney’s bashing of oversized Detroit cars? Along with successful books like John Keat’s satire The Insolent Chariots, and people complaining they couldn’t fit the longer full-size cars in their garages.
1958 was the most important year in the industry of the post-war era. Suddenly big cars were out, and Rambler and the imports were very much in. It changed everything. The hegemony of the big car was over, and it went into terminal decline.
Chrysler’s decisions were absolutely correct, and confirmed by history. Their only mistake was that the styling of the ’62 Dodge and Plymouth were too controversial.
All the cost cutting worked: in 1962, despite the weak sales of the new Dodge and Plymouth, Chrysler managed a profit for the year, and that increased steadily in subsequent years.
And Dodge and Plymouth never had truly competitive full-size cars again. But they did very well with their intermediate and compact cars.
Also, GM was trimming their 1961 big cars, another possible factor. The “Garden Party” was to shift blame for ’62 sales decline to ousted Mr. Newberg.
While the new B bodies make good drag racers, general public didn’t like the wacky front ends. Styling was a big deal in suburban driveways, then. The 63-64 tamer versions did better in showrooms.
Also, agree Rambler took some loyal, conservative, Plymouth owners in that period. Until the ’63 Dart/Valiant brought them back, leading to AMC’s decline.