Anybody need a solid old hard-working truck? A few years back, especially if it had a dump bed, I’d have been all over it. But I’m starting to see myself a bit past that phase. And renting a dump truck for the day is so easy and convenient; beats keeping another old rig going. But someone out there will undoubtedly give this cornbinder a home.
Here’s the particulars. $3,200…hmm. I have no frame of reference, except the $500 I paid for my ’66 F100 back in 1987. Huge engine?
I couldn’t resist opening the hood after that boast. Well, all of these IH gas V8s are pretty good size on the outside, but this one might well be one of the smallest ones in the range in terms of actual displacement, most likely the 304, but possibly even the 266.
So what’s up with that toothed fan belt? It looks like it’s on inside out. Eric VB will tell us.
I’m also wondering if this isn’t actually a 1300 series truck (one ton), as the 1200 was a nominal 3/4 ton. Those dual rear wheels and hubs rather suggest that.
It’s a long way from home. But given the lack of rust, this International probably made the trip out west early in its long life.
The interior is a bit less than original, with that single bucket seat and non-stock steering wheel. But that distinctive shifter with the multiple bends is very much stock; I remember the feel of one of them in my hand in the many IH trucks Baltimore County had when I worked for them for a short stint, and was quickly promoted to driving their trucks. Yes!
My heart wants to take it home, but my head tells me to do what I always do when I see a car or truck on the side of the road that I fall for: take some pics, and post it at CC. Much cheaper in the long run.
I’d hate to maneuver at low speed with that undersized steering wheel! That said, I have always liked old IH trucks. If you want a truck, why not from a company that makes “equipment” rather than “just” a car company!
No kidding! My first truck was a ’74 IH crew cab. It was a 1 ton with manual steering. No way I’d have swapped to a smaller than stock wheel!
That pulley does not appear to be designed for a V-belt.
I’m guessing the belts too thin (narrow) for the pulley and it was flipped to put the wide side down to keep it from slipping. OK for an emergency to get you home.
sometimes they roll over by themselves when over-tensioned and cords are broken
but I can’t see any “V” shape in that pulley…makes me think it isn’t designed for a V-belt…maybe I just can’t see though
I like it…a LOT, actually. It has that ‘perfect patina’ which just looks cool. I can see this picked up by a small brewery: a logo applied to the doors (artificially weathered, of course) bed loaded with kegs. As an everyday working rig it would need a full go- thru and maybe some modern upgrades. As a rolling billboard and for promotions, it fits the bill perfect.
I like it, but enough to own it? Well no, the carrying capacity is way above what I’d need, and it’s so stiffly sprung it would really beat you up to drive it around empty.
Huge V8? As you mentioned the IH V8 is huge in exterior dimension, weight and gas consumption only.
Would much rather have a 68 TravelAll.
I guess for what it is and what part of the country it’s in this is an okay proposition. I’ve lived in places where this would be used a few months of the year as a “wood truck”, and then might sit for a season or two. A dump bed would be MUCH more useful and would justify the price, IMHO.
Is it just me or are 90+% of these 60s IHs painted that light/medium metallic green?
That vintage corn binder was good looking IMO. Agree they all seem to be that color green as well.
I think if I picked up a Cornbinder, I’d be shunned by my JD-loving family!
…Never mind that we have a (non-running) Minneapolis-Moline UTS sitting in the back of our shed.
It does look like the belt is inside out for certain. Never seen a non v-belt set of pulleys for the SV from the factory. That should also be a double pulley on the water pump, crank and alternator. Because this is first and foremost a MD engine double belts on those mission critical items was the norm and it carried over to the light duty applications. The thought is that if one breaks the other may survive allowing you to finish the job. That also allows lower overall tension that can extend water pump and alternator bearing life.
The IH SV is a physically large engine for the displacement compared to “car” engines that is for certain. However that huge exterior didn’t really translate to room for large displacement. When they added the 345 they had to raise the deck height much like Ford did when they made the 351W out of the 289/302. The length of the by-pass hose and how far down the distributor compared to the intake indicates that this is a tall deck engine either a 345 or a 392.
To get the 392 displacement they had to go to siamized cylinder bores (like the SBC 400) which did lead to localized cooling problems in the MD applications. To correct that problem they came out with the 392 IC in late 1972 which revised the cooling flow and meant an entirely new block, heads and water pipes. This could be a 392 IC because it sure looks like the water pipe connects to the engine down at the block level and no into the head. However it is wearing the 69 and older timing cover with the oil fill tube instead of the later valve cover oil fill. It also has the earlier style water outlet.
The tires and wheels definitely say 1300 and not 1200. Now you could option up the springs and brakes on the 1200 to equal those of the base 1300 but I’ve never seen anything that indicates that you could opt for the dual wheels on the 1200. They do have unique front drums to handle the dual wheel offset but those certainly could have been changed in the last almost 50 years.
Personally I think $3200 is a little high, fact is it will have to go to an IH guy because everyone will think that they will never be able to find parts for it. Of course us IH guys know that many of the parts are still on the shelf at the local Napa or in their nearest distribution center. However because most IH guys have several trucks to keep running and fed we are notoriously cheap which keeps their value way down. I’d say it has a market at $2000-$2500 depending on how it runs, stops and steers.
The other thing I meant to mention is that it is interesting that it has the Chrysler dealer logo on it. It seems as though IH targeted Chrysler-Plymouth dealers to sell them a Scout and/or Light Line franchise. I’ve come across a fair number of Chrysler-Plymouth IH dealers, The most famous, longest running IH dealer and the longest held OR vehicle dealer license holder Ernie Bisio acquired his Scout Franchise from the C-P dealer down Sandy Blvd when the owner said “do you want it” “my guys can’t figure out how to sell them”. Ernie eventually took on the full Light Line when IH consolidated those operations.
I was going to ask about the Chrysler logo on the dealer label. Does that imp[y it was traded for Dodge truck at sometime?
No it means that it was sold at C.F. Schwartz Chrysler-Plymouth International Harvester and he was too cheap to spring for badges with anything more than the Pentastar logo. He apparently didn’t do big Scout business because he dropped the IH franchise in 1976 one year after the discontinuation of the pickups and Travelalls. http://home.comcast.net/~mickhaynes/states/co_ct_dc_de.pdf
As I noted it seems as though IH targeted C-P dealers since they didn’t have trucks to sell. At this time they had C-P dealers and Dodge dealers and they were usually completely separate operations. I know in the small town in Kansas I lived in in the 70’s they certainly were. A friend’s Gradfather owned the C-P IH dealer in that small KS town back when I was in grade school and I clearly remember the dropping of the light line because all of a sudden the lot on the left side of the building where the new IH trucks were normally parked was empty. W/o the pickups to sell he too dropped the IH franchise as apparently the Scout business wasn’t enough to make it worth his while. The town had a Dodge dealer as well.
Apparently C.F. didn’t do so well with Chryslers because his name shows up on the list of dealers that were culled in 2009 http://www.allpar.com/dealers/closed.html
C.F. did manage to pickup a Toyota franchise but who knows if that was before or after the dropping of IH or getting his Chrysler franchise pulled.
Shame the IH logo didnt end up on that badge
It would have featured my two favourite automotive logo’s on the one badge.
I guess Chrysler-Plymouth was the largest volume dealer network in the U.S. that didn’t have access to light trucks; that’s presumably why IH targeted them. Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge dealers obviously had trucks, and any non-Chevrolet GM dealer who wanted light trucks could sell GMCs. Among Big Three dealer networks, that left only Chrysler-Plymouth and Lincoln-Mercury with no access to trucks.
When I was a teenager in the ’80s, there was at least one Chrysler-Plymouth dealer in my area that also sold Dodge trucks (not Dodge cars, just Dodge trucks), so at some point in time Chrysler corporate began allowing some C-P dealers to sell Dodge trucks. Today, of course, Chrysler/FCA’s practice is to have the same dealers sell all of their brands, so Chryslers, Dodges and Rams (and Jeeps and sometimes Fiats) are typically sold at the same dealerships.
I haven’t seen a cornbinder of that vintage on the road in years. My uncle had a 68 Travelall, in that same green. After living outside of Philadelphia for a few years, it was so rusted through that it wouldn’t pass state inspection and was too expensive to patch, so it went away when it was 8 years old. iirc, it rusted out just like a Studebaker: a vertical line at the back edge of the front fenders.
My heart wants to take it home, but my head tells me to do what I always do when I see a car or truck on the side of the road that I fall for: take some pics, and post it at CC. Much cheaper in the long run.
I know the feeling. I keep trolling Traderonline. Found this beauty in Wisconsin. I could be there in a day: supposedly original, 48K miles, 290…..but no place to put it, other than ringing up well over a thousand a year in rented storage bills.
Burning AMC lust
Thats a sharp ride!
I guess I owe you a cohort upload of 66 IH pickup for sale in Beaverton. Personally I prefer the look of the medium duty Loadstars, the vertical grill seems more dignified. This actually a good place to keep IHs running since Binder Books in Sherwood is a major source of documentation and some parts.
The IHness is strong in OR, though it appears that the annual Binder Bee at Powerland in Brooks OR has came to an end. The leaders of the club that put it on couldn’t find anyone willing to step up and make it happen and they just don’t have the time with their current work schedules. So now the only official IH get together in the PNW will be in E. WA.
Folks will pay good money for patina like that. I like MoparRocker74’s idea of making this a working or promotional truck for a brewery, but it’s also possible this could get some upgrades and be used as a tow rig for a rat rod, or similar.
In any case, I like it. IH trucks other than Scouts were never common around here, so any sighting of one is highly unusual!
As a child, I remember thinking these trucks had a “sad” face. That said, I love the design and I wish I had room to take this in.
I miss these trucks now. We had several ’66-’68 1300s with dump beds on them at work. 6 cylinder with the 3 speed (with a granny gear). The exhaust note sounded great the older the muffler got. They all had the same shift lever pictured here; you had to be careful not to hit reverse when you wanted 2nd gear. They gradually went away in the mid-1970’s; lots of memories.
That is a cool truck. A little nutty on the price, but cool.
These two were hanging out together at a car show last summer.
I think that price is fair, if it is solid and is in good condition as it looks. The days of a decent $500 or $1000 old truck that’s in good shape are long gone.
In the 1980s I had a scout with the 345, in which I had the engine rebuilt. The guy that rebuilt the engine said that the weight of the 345 sagged his engine stand which normally could take big block Chevy’s etc.
Chevy motors are light. A Chrysler 383 will sag an engine stand too.
Are you sure, Paul, that a dump body – especially if this a 1-ton – wouldn’t have pulled you over edge? It would sure tempt me, doubly with the original wheel and seats. And I live in Brooklyn…
I remember the local IH light line dealership, which was down the street from my grandfather’s wholesale candy warehouse. It wasn’t a fancy part of town, although the city’s best men’s store was across the street. As for the dealership, it was barely larger than a gas station, but i remember pickups like these in the mini used car row. Not lot, row.
Dang, that Cornbinder even has a recent looking San Francisco Residential Parking Permit from what looks to be the heart of town and the plates are from the mid-1990s or so. Oh the stories it could tell.
Hard to say exactly what displacement that V-8 is from looking at it, but it is one of IH’s ‘small’ V-8’s. Those engines went from 266 to 392 cubic inches (their large block V-8’s went to 549 cubes!). A tough, long lasting engine but known for terrible fuel economy and not as powerful as you might think. Neat old truck.
And here I sit trying to get an idea of what my 68 1300d flatbed is worth.. it’s still riding on original nylon bias tires split rims.. 110% original. I have the original radio which I will not part with. Hope to find me another 62-69 scout..