Today on CC For Sale, we’re going to take a look at a car off the beaten path, a 1927 Willys Overland. Billed in its Craigslist ad as a “Willis Overland,” which I assume is some sort of autocorrect typo since it’s spelled properly elsewhere, it has a “complete steel body no Rust EVER. Radiator. Wood spoked wheels..Engine. Transmission.” It’s “ALL THERE. $2800 Or Best offer.”
The Willys name these days is most closely associated with the original WWII Jeep, the Willys MB. In July 1940, the U.S. Army asked for proposals for a new light reconnaisance vehicle. Three manufacturers submitted bids- Willys-Overland and American Bantam, with Ford following quickly behind. While Bantam had won the original contract, the company was in no shape to be relied upon for the upcoming war effort, and contracts ended up being given to all three companies.
By 1941, Willys had won the lion’s share of contracts, mainly due to its stouter “Go Devil” engine and lower cost. By the war’s end, Ford was also contracted to build the Willys design, with Willys producing 363,000 Jeeps and Ford making 280,000 licensed copies.
After the war, Willys ditched their passenger car line completely to focus on the civilian Jeep line. Not until 1952, with the introduction of the Willys Aero, would they make a non-Jeep-based vehicle. The Aero, one of the new crop of domestic compacts that would include the Kaiser Henry J, was a flop. Apparently, much like Chrysler would do thirty-odd years later, Kaiser saw the writing on the wall. They purchased Willys based on the strength of the Jeep name and product line. Only a few short years later, they would retire both compacts and the Willys name, becoming Kaiser-Jeep.
Incidentally, both the Willys and Overland names continue today as special trim lines for Jeep. Overland is the top trim level for Cherokees and Grand Cherokees, and the Willys is a limited-edition package on the modern Wrangler.
Before the war, though, Willys-Overland was actually the second-largest car company in the US–behind Ford–from 1912 to 1918. A few years earlier in 1908, John Willys bought Overland Automotive from the Standard Wheel Company to form Willys-Overland. Willys was on a roll, buying smaller car companies, and by 1919 he acquired the former Duesenberg factory in New Jersey. But by 1920, economic conditions had Willys on the ropes, so none other than Walter P. Chrysler was brought in to clean up. Chrysler brought in his “Three Musketeers” of engineers (Owen Skelton, Carl Breer, and Fred Zeder) to save the company and begin work on a new car. Chrysler and his crew couldn’t fix Willys fast enough for the creditors, though. The “Chrysler Six” car they were prototyping, along with the Deusie plant, were sold to William C. Durant of GM fame.
(Chrysler and the Three Musketeers would later move over to Maxwell-Chalmers, which then became the Chrysler Corporation.)
There was a bright spot, though– the company introduced the low-priced Whippet in 1926, which became popular. However, while the Whippet thrived, many of the car lines they had purchased or licensed designs from, like Stearns-Knight and Willys-Knight, were abandoned.
By 1932, they used the last of their development budget to build the Willys 77, a small car. From 1933 to 1936, it was the only car the company produced. By 1938, Willys was the 16th largest automaker by sales in the US. In 1939, Joseph Frazer (of Kaiser-Frazer fame) would come in as President and General Manager of Willys-Overland. A few years later, the Jeep would make history.
So where does that put our featured car? It would seem to be in the middle of the company’s post-1920 recession crisis. The body says (to my admittedly untrained eye when it comes to pre-war cars) to not be the Whippet, but I can’t exactly tell and the rest of the ad isn’t forthcoming. Perhaps one of you can elaborate in the comments.
The car in question here looks to have a straight 6, which in 1927 could have been a 178ci, 236ci, or 255ci engine, producing 53, 65, or 70HP. It would have been slightly more than the base 4-cylinder model’s price of around $2,500. Probably due to the obscurity of the nameplate for modern collectors, restored versions of this vehicle seem to be going for $10,000-$24,000 online.
This example is definitely, charitably, a “project car”– most of the interior seems to have gone Overland, so to speak. And are those extra fenders inside, or were they removed sometime between when the exterior and interior photos were taken? But it’s certainly an important piece of American motor history, and a little more interesting than, say, a contemporary Model A, which it tried–and failed–to compete with in the marketplace.
(P.S. Bonus old company shot in this ad as well–the radiator is made by the Fedders company of Buffalo, New York. Years after this radiator was made, the Fedders company would go into home air conditioning. Even today, you can buy a new Fedders window A/C unit, although as far I can tell the company is owned by interests in Singapore and China.)
(P.P.S. Thanks to Paul for the chance to contribute to CC, and thanks to all of you for reading!)
Further reading:
This looks like an interesting car. The 1932 77 model also looks nice with pleasing styling. It seems the only other articles about Willys on CC are about the 1920 models and the 1953 Aero-Lark, and of course a slew of arcticles about the Willys Jeeps, but nothing much about their cars from the 1930s. Would be interesting to know more about these “forgotten” cars.
Frank, that was exactly how this article came about. Saw the car on Craigslist and realized there wasn’t much about Willys on here. I don’t know a whole lot about prewar cars and the only thing I really knew about Willys was Jeep so it was a lot of fun to research the pre-Jeep Years.
One of my all-time favorite classic hot-rods is the 1941 Willys Americar coupe ‘gasser’. It would be a must-have in my dream collection.
A truly rare car is a 41 Americar, NOT hot-rodded or drag raced. 49 years in the antique car hobby, and I’ve yet to see one in the metal in that condition.
That’s actually mentioned in the Wikipedia entry. Apparently, there were some type of issue(s) with the Go Devil engine so nearly all Americars eventually got a swapped mill, whether for drag-racing purposes or not.
It’s interesting in that the Go Devil was then installed in the wartime Jeeps. I can only surmise that whatever issues they might have had when installed in the Americar were resolved by the time they went into the Jeep for the war.
I found a Hemmings article which goes into some detail in why the Go Devil wasn’t so great in the Americar (and, presumably, other Willys products), yet was okay in the wartime Jeep and later, post-war Willys vehicles:
“When (engineer Barney) Roos joined Willys in 1938, the (Go Devil) engine had been coaxed into making 48 hp, but it had a reputation for oil consumption, unusually fast internal wear, and excessive fluid leaks. Roos ordered up insert bearings, full-pressure lubrication, a 31-pound flywheel to replace the 57-pound unit, a counterbalanced crankshaft, aluminum pistons and a host of other improvements. The revised engine made 60 hp at 4,400 RPM.”
This goes a long way to explaining why Willys cars in otherwise good shape, but with bad engines, made a great choice for drag-racing engine swaps.
Yup, I’ve got a photo of me standing beside a stock 39 Willys. Good thing I took a pic, I was like 12 years old and I’ve never seen one since.
I’m still kicking myself. There was a very fine ’37-’38 Willys sedan here in town that I used to admire shortly before I started doing CCs. It was very mildly “improved”, with original wheels but wider rims, lowered maybe 2 or so inches, and from the sound of the low-restriction exhaust, a warmed-over original four. In other words, improved to make it more driveable, but not hot rodded in the usual sense. I really loved that car and what the owner did with it.
He moved to another part of town, and I caught glimpses of it a couple of times in a garage, but then lost track of it. I don’t know if it’s still in town, but I so badly wanted to shoot it and write it up. A real gem, done just how I would have done it too.
FDR’s Little White House in Warm Springs, Georgia, has his on display. Is this a 41?
I’m thinking this car as cool as it is, is pretty much toast. Not economical to restore, not popular with the hot rod crowd, it just needs too much.
Good lawn ornament though
That’s one way to look at it. Restoring or resto-modding is as much about the drivable car as the outcome as it is about improving one’s skill set.
It is definitely not a Knight engine. A quick look at some old ads makes it look like the Whippet name got stretched to cover what had been the bigger Overland Six. My guess is that this is the big Whippet (formerly Overland) Six.
In the original draft I talked about the Knight engine- I had never heard of sleeve valves- and Paul came to the same result you did, that it was not a Knight engine. My prewar car-fu is not strong so I appreciate the knowledge.
I would love to see someone write up a Willys Knight- or any Knight engined car. They’re fascinating, and there’s a couple giveaways. The sleeve valves are ideally suited to a hemi head and not at all to an offset plug-likely L head- as this car has. Further, many of them seem to have a ring atop each cylinder to allow room for the sleeves to reciprocate- like a donut or torus shape with a plug in the dimple. Actually, I’d love to write up sleeve valves, but my knowledge is far from complete.
That would be interesting. Such a completely forgotten technology, yet it had it’s moment in the sun. But who aside from Willys used Knight engines in the U.S.? Quite a few Europeans (French in particular) used Knight’s patent: Daimler, Peugeot, Panhard, Mercedes, Minerva, Voisin…
Nice explanation of Willy’s history. I️ enjoy reading automotive histories.
I appreciate the kind words!
How many different companies have owned Jeep? Willys. Kaiser. AMC. Eagle. Chrysler. Fiat. Did I miss anyone? It seems like everyone who touches them goes bankrupt.
The funny thing is that Jeep probably saved them all for a few years until they got bought out again.
You forgot Renault…
So Jeep is the life preserver that failing automotive companies grab onto. I would take that when a company that I own stock in acquires Jeep, it’s time to sell…only FIAT has not gone bankrupt after buying them.
Yes, I did forget Renault, they really, really need to start selling cars here again.
With some paint and a set of tires, this would make a great display in front of a business. As to a restoration, it would be cost prohibitive. Practically noone alive has fond memories of a 1927 Willys, so there is no nostalgic value. It could see a new life as a rat rod. It’s priced right but I’d still try to knock them down $1000. This poor old girl needs a lot of love.
Doug and HE&N I agree that this car is probably too gone to save, but it’s just cheap enough where someone miiiiiiiight try to.
Nice photo of the Willys 77 – so ’30s it feels like Marlene Dietrich is about to alight from the train.
The donk potential is strong in this one. I’m thinking a grape Nehi or Ovaltine motif.
There has always been confusion on how to pronounce the name ” Willys”. Some say it is Willis and other sources claim it is just as it is spelled, Willys.
Every time one of these cars, usually a Gasser, comes across the auction block on one of those Barrett-Jackson shows on TV, they tell us it is Willis. I grew up in the sixties during the heyday of the Gasser wars and everyone then called one of these cars a Willys as it is spelled.
I recall reading an interview with the son of John North Willys, who said that the family name was pronounced Will-iss, of course even in families, there can be disagreements over such matters.
No problem, I got this…
Step 1: Ditch the six and turn it into a coffee table for the man cave.
2: Drop in a Pinto drivetrain.
3: Maybe some old church pews for the seats would be cool? Otherwise, whatever one can harvest during the all-u-can-carry junkyard sale will do.
4: a trip through some aftermarket Ford Model A parts catalogs
5: Harbor freight coupons for grinders, welders, misc
6: Step back, light tobacco pipe, try not to set mustache wax on fire, and take in all the beauty that is your “new” Willies Model A Pinto Frankencar.