In early 1978, I was driving home from my after-school job at about 9 p.m. on a cold winter night in my 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible. As I cleared a traffic light, I looked down at my heater controls and looked back up just in time to see a much longer than usual line of cars stopped at the next light. That was the last time I ran into the rear of a stopped car. Until a few weeks ago.
I had no intention of a complete turnover of the JPC vehicle fleet when we replaced the Honda Fit with a new Dodge Charger GT this past May. In fact, I was looking forward to several more years with Ma-Ma-Ma-My Sedona as my get-to-work “old car”. Sadly, the Sedona was totaled by my insurance company and has graced our driveway for the last time.
I did not expect to bond with that van the way I did. I bought it in September of 2011 because it was big, it was cheap and because it came with a really good warranty. But a funny thing happened along the way – I really came to love it. These feelings of fondness did not abate as it recently became my every-day ride. From the first time I drove the Sedona to the last, I never lost the sense of awe I experienced as the engine and transmission worked together like the great team they were. Pick your pairing – Astaire and Rogers, Chet Baker and Gerry Mulligan, or even chocolate and peanut butter. The Kia’s 3.5L V6 and its 6-speed automatic worked together with an elegance and complementarity that I have rarely experienced.
The other surprise was just how few problems I had with the car over thirteen years and 102,000 miles. Beyond a handful of recalls (fewer of them than I experienced with my Honda Fit), I had only one significant warranty repair when one of the CV joints began making noise as the car approached the ten year mark. Kia ended up replacing both axles and hubs due to an unfortunate tendency for the hubs to seize themselves onto the axle shafts. I also had to replace both rear door handles, each of which broke once.
I was impressed by Kia’s brake components because I had both front and rear brakes done but a single time during the life of the vehicle. Also, tires wore quite evenly so that I was just into my third set as of about five months ago. And even at north of 100k miles, I never did anything else beyond normal maintenance and could still count on 18-20 mpg in my normal mixed city/highway driving.
I will confess that the older I have gotten, the heavier those middle-row seats have become when it became necessary to remove them for carrying cargo. However, that was a rare enough occurrence that it was not a major factor in my life. More of a factor was pulling down the heavy, manual liftgate when holding an armload of grocery bags. I know, I know – if only I had spent a little more up front the liftgate would have been a pushbutton affair. But when that is your biggest gripe with a vehicle after more than a dozen years, life is pretty good.
I didn’t know how long I had planned to keep the Sedona, but there was certainly no end-date on my horizon. Ours displayed no rust, was clean and shiny inside and out and everything on it worked the way it was supposed to. Until a split-second mistake put an end to all that. The car’s near-perfect record comes with, I should add, one glaring asterisk.
One of the Sedona’s recalls involved the possibility of an air bag sensor that would fail to trigger the bags in a collision. It was a big enough deal that Kia provided us with a brand-new substitute Sedona for several weeks in 2018 before they were able to complete the recall. I remembered this experience when it occurred to me that in the frontal collision which totaled the car, not a single air bag ignited. I count myself fortunate that I was uninjured in the experience, and that this failure did not show up in a more serious accident than the one I had. I guess we count our blessings where we find them. Had I been able to keep the car, you can bet I would have been in touch with the service people at Kia to ask just what happened here. But whether fortunately or unfortunately, this question has become moot.
There have been plenty of cars over my lifetime that I would have jumped at the chance to convert into an insurance check. With some of those cars, that would have been the best outcome imaginable. Not with this one, though. At least the insurance check was in an amount that I did not find unreasonable, being nearly 45% of purchase price when new. My insurer, one of many gobbled up by Liberty Mutual in recent years, was much less reasonable in refusing to allow more than a $169 valuation increase from the $900+ set of Michelin tires I put on the car not six months ago. Anyway, at the end of the process, it worked out to an ownership cost of under $1,000 per year in depreciation over our almost thirteen years with the car, a figure that is hard to beat when you start with a new car.
As unexpected as this turn of events was, I have found a replacement vehicle in a turn of events just as surprising. But that is a story that will be told soon. But for now I will close by saying so long, fair Sedona. I am going to miss you.
Looks like you hit the brakes late and under-run the car in front.
You missed the bumper and squashed the soft part, so the decel was insufficiently violent to trigger the air bags; sensors are normally on the front chassis legs.
Oh well, shi’ happens…like a pheasant exploding my bonnet/hood.
I spent most of my adult life dealing with the after effects of car accidents, and can say that no two collisions are quite the same. I think there was some bumper contact given that the bumper cover of the car ahead of me ended up loose and on the pavement. But how and why the bags did not deploy is a head scratcher to me.
Sounds like no one was hurt, which I am glad to hear.
That said, I’m not a minivan person, but I found your essay interesting, informative, and well-written, thanks for sharing.
Well, darn it all. Glad you are okay but this really does stink. I rode in your Sedona a few times and it once even graced my driveway.
It will be interesting to see what is replacing the Sedona. An Econoline to relive old times? A Studebaker of some variety? Or another 383 powered Mopar?
An acquaintance of my wife has a Sedona of the same vintage, but in some type of blue. She has five boys and her minivan hasn’t aged nearly as well as yours did.
My local FB Marketplace has been awash in old Dodge pickups like yours, including a 1990-ish model from a western state with a 318 and a stick. That one tempted me, but I went another direction that will be shared here soon.
Those Sedonas have a lot going for them – they resist rusting quite well, and both the engines and transmissions have proved quite durable. I think the 6 lug wheels were a clue to the engineers’ mindset.
Dang. Bummer. I know that you were overall happy with the Kia, and so I’m sorry to see it go. Of course, I’m glad that you’re ok.
If you don’t mind replaying some of the details, what was the insurance company’s deciding factor in totaling it? I’m guessing that there’s damage to the front frame rails (or whatever they’re called) that is not quite so obvious to the untrained eye. If that’s the case, then yes, I too am surprised that at least one airbag didn’t deploy. But if it was just the soft stuff, then I’ve seen cars come back from worse deer strikes. So, just wondering.
Can’t wait though to hear what’s next! And again, glad you’re ok!
In my prior professional life, I watched body shop repair costs skyrocket in the way that “retail” medical and tuition costs have. The repair estimate came in at over $9k, which was too much for something this old, especially considering the inevitable supplements for hidden additional damage. I suppose I could have bought the salvage and tried to get it fixed for cheap, maybe at a local tech school, but that seemed like a gamble that there wasn’t enough reason to make.
Goodness, I’m sorry to hear about this. At least your OK. I dread something like this happening with one of our cars right now. With the cost-of-living problems we’re all experiencing, reliable older cars are like gold. Unfortunate things happen, but this is a lousy time for such things.
A few random thoughts on the Sedona:
I love mine: As you know, we have a 2018 Sedona. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Not because of its looks, or even its performance, but just because the car has been so undramatically awesome. We have 90,000 mi. on it now, and it’s needed exactly one repair (power door motors, under warranty) and one recall (that ignition switch thing). I’m a Kia fan now, though when we eventually have to replace it, I suspect its replacement won’t be quite so good, or such a good bargain as ours was.
Taking out the rear seats: Yes, those seats get heavier with age. A few years ago I had a mishap removing the center rear seat from our Sedona (the main rear seats are fixed). Since it’s heavy and awkward to maneuver in/out of the car, I cradled it, and somehow a sharp piece of metal from the seat’s underside sliced across my wrist. In doing so, it cut the main wrist artery… which is bad. Very bad. I’ll save you the gory details, but I joked that my car tried to kill me off. Needless to say I’m not a big fan of taking seats out.
Airbags: I’m going to guess that the airbag sensors are underneath where the point of impact was (just saw that’s what Nick said above). I’ve seen other accidents like this where the car submarined under the bumper of another car and the airbags didn’t deploy (a few years ago my wife was rear-ended by someone, and the same thing happened to that guy’s car). But given how things age, with our older cars, I’m not counting on the airbags deploying in an accident… fortunately they’re intended to be “supplemental.”
Again, I’m glad you’re OK – I’m anxious to hear detail of your replacement car!
Thankfully the seat belts did their job for JPC, otherwise the windshield and steering wheel would have been the components stopping passengers in their lurch forward.
Sensors, positioning, crash too low, all that to me is regrettable. I believe that when we buy a car, we know that it has airbags in it, period. We expect them to work when called upon.
I myself once crashed into a stopped vehicle. It was in the pre airbag days, and also when seat belts had just come into legislation. My knee put a good dent into that steel dashboard underpiece. A story for another day.
I’m also not a fan of removing rear seats, especially when they’re both bench seats. For the 26 years I’ve owned my Voyager, the rear seats have either spent most of their lives (probably 95%) in my basement (old house) or in the attic (new house basement). They do make pretty good couches in that role. Stow-N-Go was the best thing Chrysler ever developed.
Stow ‘N Go is a serious seating compromise that only works for small children or the temporary transport of adults. Otherwise, they’re way too uncomfortable and the low-trim, 2nd row bench works much better.
Of course, getting that second row bench out of there is no picnic. To that end, the Pacifica Hybrid still uses removable 2nd row captain’s chairs. At ~66lbs, they’re not easy to remove, either, but at least it can be done.
This car made me a big Kia fan too. The problem when we wanted a new car was that you had to spend a fortune on a Carnival or a Telluride to get anything with a V6. I didn’t want a turbo 4 (or any 4 from Kia given their recent engine failure issues). A V6 larger Kia sedan (like was readily available a few years ago) would have been high on our list.
Sad to see the end of the Sedona. Body shop costs have skyrocketed indeed, one of our kids’ friends backed out of our driveway and bumped into the side of our neighbour’s street parked car. He’d figured it would be cheap to repair but I told him “no, that’s going to be expensive, probably $5k” and I was pretty close when they got an estimate.
Knowing what the replacement actually is, I will still say to you: Studebaker!
I recently saw a really sweet 48 Land Cruiser offered for $6500 somewhere in the midwestern US. But that would not really be a very good candidate for a daily driver.
Agreed on the repairs, a friend backed his Chrysler Pacifica into a pole, and just barely grazed the right rear corner of the car. That was about $5k too.
Oh no! I hope the other truckers don’t give you a hard time. 🙂
Looking forward to finding out what you replaced it with.
I work with a good group of guys, and they’ve been cool about it.
Well, bummer. Glad you’re okay, though.
As the saying goes, “history doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.” I missed that you had moved to a Charger from the Fit, a similar path I took when I fell hard in car heat and replaced my Fit with the SS sport sedan in 2017.
And when our ’06 Grand Caravan was totaled by a lightning strike, insurance also refused to cough up any extra for the brand-new Michelins I had just had installed.
Our last insurance interaction was a couple years ago after a mid-sized dog darted out in front of our TourX (chasing another dog). We were in a 35 MPH zone, and I slammed on the brakes, so we were probably only going 15-20 at impact. Dog got up and ran off, but not before triggering the Buick’s “pedestrian protection system,” which fires off explosive charges built into the hood hinges to raise it away from the engine. That cost over $3K to have put to rights – basically $800 in parts, reactivating the system in the computer, and today’s inflated labor rates…
Those kinds of high-tech safety systems are one of the reasons repair costs have gone so crazy. I can only imagine how much higher the estimate on mine would have been if the air bags had gone off.
Ooh, no bueno. That’s two in a couple of days, I think I’m going to stay home today…At least everyone is alright, that’s the whole point of the crumple zone.
I know you’ll do the right thing and convince Jason to sell you his beloved conversion van. I saw you lounging in it in St. Louis, you looked very content, like a piece of chocolate stuck in a jar of peanut butter.
There were a couple of van candidates offered locally, and I thought about them – for about 3 seconds. They are not really what I need at the moment. Although my COAL series is out there for all to see, and when has what I need at the moment been a deciding factor? 🙂
Wow, Jim… and after reading you COAL on how special this vehicle was to you. Sorry to hear about this accident, but the most important thing is that you’re ok. The next two good things are that a) you weren’t in the new Charger, and especially b) you weren’t in the big rig! 😱
Looking forward to your next COAL, now that you have a reason to write one!
As others have said, shop costs have gotten way too high (as have all other costs). I wanted to take it personally when I saw my insurance rates go up substantially this past renewal cycle, thinking I had done something wrong, but my guess is that this increase is across the board for the afore-stated reasons.
Hopefully a nasty rate increase won’t be coming your way.
Not in the Charger and not in a truck – I thought of those two things immediately. The first would have been bad, the second would have been an unmitigated disaster.
Actually, I had been feeling sick with a fever as the day progressed and had held things together in the truck all day. It was on the way home (and for the start of a week’s vacation, at that) when I let my guard down and stopped driving with the same level of defensive attention that keeps me out of trouble at work.
From the perspective of an insurance agent, Ugh, I feel for you. I haven’t much to add other than to sign off on all the above comments on skyrocketing parts and labor costs, penny-pinching insurance settlements (in some cases, although yours seems to have been quite fair overall). And then there’s the issue of the insurer surcharging you at next renewal for having been involved in an at-fault accident. I could speculate about who your insurer might be, but as I’m unfamiliar with your state I won’t bother. Hopefully it’s one of the several Liberty affiliates who offer “Accident Forgiveness”, and you have that endorsement on your policy. Of course they charge a premium up front for it in most cases, but there are quite a few policies out there that accrue it over time. So many wildcards, so speculation is a fools errand. I’m quite sure someone in your previous line of work purchased coverage wisely, but those forgiveness plans can get costly, so even the sharpest of consumers can be forgiven (pun not intended) for not ponying up for them. After all, who wants to gamble against their own driving prowess by paying extra up front “just in case” they’re not as on-game as they think they are. Insurance is, after all, simply legalized gambling. Unfortunately the house literally wins 100% of the time in this game. Certainly I’m not really offering much that we don’t all already know.
I can’t wait to hear what the replacement is. I think knowing all we do about your history with cars, I wouldn’t be surprised if you reverted to old habits and picked up something a little older. After all, if those insurance rates are going to go up it might be beneficial to drive something you’re not concerned about carrying full coverage on.
I am not sure about the accident forgiveness, but had been in the process of changing companies after I got my first full month’s bill after buying the Charger. With no claims in years and purely low mile pleasure use, the premiums tripled. Even after the accident I can do better elsewhere and have made that change.
I suppose we never know when the unexpected might happen, despite our trying to be good drivers at all times (most of us anyway). I know I was surprised by that deer running out in front of me in 1998, but luckily the damage to my 1997 Camry even at 45-50 mph was not too great and readily repairable.
I’m glad you were uninjured, and as a former employee of the Insurance Instititute for Highway Safety, I join the other commenters in surmising your crash wasn’t severe enough to deploy the frontal airbags, rather than a fault of the sensors. That the crumple zone and seatbelt were sufficient to prevent injury is another indication.
I look forward to the reveal of your replacement vehicle!
Yes, those 3-point seat belts are wonderful things!
Very sorry to hear of your Sedona’s departure, Jim. It gave you excellent service.
I was in a bad accident in November of last year. A new driver making an illegal left turn t-boned me. It hit on the left front fender, breaking the axle and making the car undrivable. Fortunately, the air bags did not deploy, because that would have been an instant write off.
The damage came to almost C$10,000. The repair was so good I am unable to notice any difference in the way the car drove. Sadly, I damaged my right knee in the crash because my foot was on the brake on impact. I am mostly fine now after extended physio.
Sorry to hear that you got hurt in your accident – cars can be fixed or replaced, but our bodies are not always so easily set right. Good to hear that you are doing better.
I am also happy to hear that you had a good repair experience and kept a car you really like in service.
Sorry about your car and its loss. As others said good you weren’t injured.
Insurance companies can be friends or foes. My last claim was was about seven years ago and I got ticked off because they paid too much. I was stopped at the light, my light turned green, I started forward and BAM, a bicyclist coming from my right hit the front tire and the rider bounced off my hood and landed on the street left of my car. Thank goodness it was caught on the intersection camera and two nurses stopped at the intersection saw it happen. I was glad the cyclist did not break his head (no helmet) and only broke his leg. He was later charged with three violations, me none. The damage to my car was having the aluminum hood replaced ($1,800). My auto was perfectly repaired but two issues ticked me off. First issue: during the week my car was being repaired my insurance company insisted the rental car they arranged was a Mercedes. I said I would only use the rental car perhaps once to get groceries and would be happy with something less expensive. But no, Mercedes would be it. Second issue: Of course I had to pay my $500 deductible. What really ticked me off I found out my insurance company paid the cyclist! My insurance would not tell me how much they paid him. This guy received three traffic citation’s for hitting me and he got paid and I was out my deductible.
Those liability issues can be maddening. If I learned one thing from a career in the legal end of insurance claims, it is that insurance companies make business decisions all the time about whether to pay a claim or not when someone claims an injury when they were at fault. I had lots of clients who wanted to fight a case on principals – until they started getting the legal bills. Then a settlement started looking much more reasonable to them.
Bummer. Are momentary lapses of attention another variant of the CC Effect?
I’m thinking you should have bought it from the insurance company and reverse restomod it with a Mopar big block/TF and related driveshaft and rear axle. A bit of drive shaft tunnel would have to be cut into the floor, but it sounds pretty straightforward otherwise, don’t you think?
I thought of the CC Effect when I read about your mishap.
And yes, I had already found a rusty New Yorker I was going to use for a powertrain donor, and was investigating the cost of a welding class at a local tech school. But then I woke up. 🙂
What rotten luck. Why is it often the cars we’re really attached to where the collision happens?
And haven’t the foggiest idea what car number 32 might be.
Wow, that was a close call. I know what it is like to be really satisfied with a car. I feel that way when I drive my 10 year old Jetta wagon.
Looking forward to see the new family bus. Hope it is spectacular, otherwise you may lay awake at night, wondering if you should have bought the van from the insurance company, and investigated repairs.
I had an oops moment with my wagon a couple months ago. Thought I saw a fresh asphalt patch in the pavement ahead. As I drew nearer, I realized it was a big chunk of truck tire tread, but only had time to scream before impact. Did quite a job on the Jetta’s bellypan and radiator support. Not covered by comprehensive, because it wasn’t flying through the air, and not covered by limited collision. I koffed up the $3,000 for repairs without flinching, because there is nothing on the market now that fits my needs like that wagon.
Events like these are the reason I still have my 2011 Ford Ranger as my regular work vehicle. If any front-end damage happens at all from an uncontrollable event in the road (i.e. deer crossings at night), there’s a relatively good chance it can still get repaired without breaking the bank. I’m thankful to have never had any incidents like this in my ’05 Chevy Astro (especially when looking back at the crash test from the IIHS) and hope to never have this happen with my 2016 Ford Transit Connect, which just today hit 90k miles! It also now has the factory trailer hitch (rated for 2000 lbs.) & wiring harness installed and tows my 2015 Wells Cargo trailer with no issues whatsoever. 30+ mpg is easily attainable as well when you’re able to stay off the turbo power (it has the EcoBoost engine) –no problems so far in the powertrain department!
In my eyes this generation Sedona/Carnival bears a strong visual resemblance to the 3rd-and-4th-generation Chrysler minivans; not sure whether or not this was intentional. I honestly believe the 3rd-gen Chryslers & the 2nd-gen Honda Odyssey were “peak” minivan as far as styling goes. More recent designs from today’s models have gotten a little too over the top for my tastes; I could also say the same for most of the other vehicle segments too. The Transit Connect is fundamentally the modern equivalent of the original Caravan/Voyager: it’s a compact but functional “box” that still has reasonably good styling. Hopefully you found something good enough to fill the Sedona’s void!
Glad you’re ok JP. It’s hard to say goodbye to our mechanical kindred spirits…after 23 years I had great plans for my Trooper but a roof leak did her in. I donated it to a local trade school to do as they wish…I’m sure it was parted out since all body panels and glass were clean.
More recently (Wednesday as a matter of fact) I was backended in my new car during stop and go traffic. No one was hurt, and the guy’s company reached out for me to get 2 estimates. Both ended up around $5k, which is a lot for a little ass tap.
#1 : Glad to hear you’re okay, remember to watch for late onset soft tissue damage .
#2 : It doesn’t look too bad to me, considering the Ins. Co. hosed you on it maybe fixing it on your dime would have been the right thing to do, I did it with my Ranger and don’t regret paying for the repairs before I settled with my Ins. Co., my demand was don’t total it, they didn’t .
#3 : It’s not clear what happened this collision .
#4 : Anyone who thinks _any_ year Ranger is made of better than tinfoil is in for a rude awakening .
#5 : I’m green with envy for your brick house . can’t safely have a brick house in So. Cal. .
-Nate
I’m glad you’re all right even if the Sedona isn’t.The last time I was in a car crash the airbags didn’t activate either, and that’s one of many parallels with your experience since I was driving a minivan of sorts. Some twit in a crew cab pickup ran a stop sign and T-boned our beloved Mazda5. Everything forward of the A pillar had been moved 1/4″ to the left so it was destined to be crushed and turned into white goods. I swapped the brand new Toyo studless tires for the cheap Chinese tires it came with, and used them to lower the price of some used Blizzaks for the CX-5 that replaced it.
I test drove the following generation Sedona and was astonished by the power and acceleration.