(First Posted December 21, 2014, I decided to rerun this one as well since some of you weren’t here the first time this COAL series ran, this was kind of a special edition real time add-on at the time, the reveal is next week) This morning I told the story of the demise of my Outback. Since the insurance company said the check is in the mail it is time to start searching once again. You guys aren’t shy, perhaps you’d like to help, I know you have an opinion (or two)…
About a year ago while I was writing the last few COAL articles of mine, I started to realize that I’ve had a lot of cars and while I enjoyed almost all of them from a practical standpoint switching cars that often is really not a good thing, especially from a financial perspective. As one matures, different things become important and different priorities emerge.
I still enjoy my cars, but in different ways. The Subaru was not what I would historically have looked for and purchased but I found myself enjoying it as a comfortable, practical car and had really planned to try to keep it for much longer than my norm. It was a comfortable companion, a loyal friend.
However , I am also not getting any younger and since cars are one of the things I enjoy the most, I do not want to deny myself anything even remotely reasonable. Depreciation is a very close friend of mine who lets me take advantage of our friendship as I choose.
As far as requirements go for the replacement vehicle, there are several. I will use it to drive clients around as well as my family of five. So a strict four-seater is out. I actually started looking into a Volt (the technology fascinates me) but realized without the middle rear seat it is useless to me. However, we have a larger SUV for longer trips so my family of five does not necessarily need to be THAT comfortable…
The car has to be safe, i.e. somewhat modern. All-wheel drive, stability control, and multiple airbags are pretty much non-negotiable with our weather, road conditions and high-ish speed limits. While I love the idea of driving a Lincoln Town Car or something more classic like a Mercedes 280 SE 4.5 the reality is that I will be driving others that do not really have a choice in the matter, I feel a duty to be as protective as I can afford to be. If I want to buy that 1975 Civic Wagon that I posted a few weeks ago, that will be my thing to play with on the side, not to subject others to …
I am trying to limit the length to no more than 200 inches. That is pretty much the maximum that I can fit in my garage with the front bumper kissing the garbage cans while still allowing the door to close unless I switch the single spot with the tandem spot that my wife and my other car use and I just don’t want to go there. Our garage layout is the worst aspect of our house although it seemed great when we moved in.
The lower the mileage on the car the better, but 70,000 or so miles is pretty much my upper limit on this car purchase. It can be used or new, the budget can stretch into the mid to upper $30k range (no leasing) and I am willing and able to deal with the risk of potentially expensive repairs. I’d probably put between 12,000 and 15,000 miles per year on it.
So without further ado, here is my shortlist in no particular order. Feel free to suggest others or tell me why one choice or another is either inspired or asinine, hopefully with some knowledge on the subject rather than just what you heard from your cousin Fred’s neighbor Thelma’s butcher etc…For my part I will try to list the main pros and cons (for me) of each.
2005-2006 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 Wagon – I love, love, love the shape. And in hindsight realize that the X-Type sedan we once had really was remarkably reliable and cost-effective even once we pawned it off on my in-laws and they drove it past 100,000 miles before getting nervous themselves and trading it in for pennies.
They are well below my budget. However, the wagons are quite rare, i.e. hard to find with lower mileage at realistic prices and the back seat is not very large. But just imagine a dark green one…If I had Jason Shafer’s barn, I would have one for sure along with something (OK, everything) else.
2007-2009 Audi S8 5.2 V10 – I really like this shape, it is cavernous inside, the regular wheelbase A8/S8 platform (not the “L”) fits the length limitation, and I drove one recently – that V10 engine is simply to die for.
My research indicates that the V10 (and the whole car in general) is actually quite reliable with aftermarket vendors like Arnott able to provide cost-effective solutions to any air suspension issues etc. Gas mileage is a bit worrisome, but manageable.
The biggest issue for me is what perception some of my clients might form of me, but my wife thinks the average person would have no clue what it is. I also might be a bit obsessive about my kids tracking their dirty shoes on the seats etc. but it would be a great experience to own one. (More cost-effective potential alternative option: Regular A8 with Sport Package)
2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R – Yes, the new and improved version of what just got wrecked. I looked at one last week and the exterior styling is better than the old one, and the interior is significantly better. It’s also a little wider than the old one which is good and gets better gas mileage to boot.
The engine is a carryover, but the transmission had switched from a 5-speed automatic to a CVT. I have not driven one yet, but think that I may not like the CVT although reviews have been very positive.
The biggest downside is that they seem to be backordered up to ten weeks although my dealer is quoting me around 10% off sticker for a brand new one ordered to my specifications. I could get the same red as my last one, but the new green is a big improvement over the old one. ‘
And the nicer-looking tan interior now has a black carpet which is good around here. The biggest downside is probably that my wife is not really a fan (but won’t stand in the way).
2014 Chrysler 300C AWD V8 – oh, boy, I finally drove one with the Hemi and I liked it a lot! This is probably as close as I can get to the old-skool American classics like the Panthers and B-bodies (and the Chrysler M-bodies, right?) while fulfilling all of my other parameters. I like the lazy feeling when driving it, the space inside, the materials are not bad and the fit and finish is quite good.
The power is wonderful and the touchscreen system is frankly amazingly intuitive and good. The lightly used ones I have been looking at are former rentals but in very good condition, all around one year old with about 25,000 miles on them and in some instances CPO’d from a Chrysler dealer and priced in the lower to mid-$20k range.
I think Chryslers seem to depreciate more than even your average European luxury car on a percentage basis. But even the non-CPO’d ones have a 5year, 100k mile powertrain warranty.
I think I could like this a lot, but if not could probably easily get back out of it after a year or so. The newer ones aren’t styled quite as impressively as the original ones but they also seem to be attracting less of the “Urban”-inspired modifications which I will admit to not being a big fan of.
2007-2009 Audi S6 5.2 V10 – Basically the same engine as the S8 above but detuned a bit (can’t have the little brother be faster…). Supposedly the chassis feels a little more lively as well as the engine growl being even better. I have not driven one but did start one a couple of years ago and the engine did sound fantastic. The back seat is possibly a little bit tight for five but should be manageable.
Pricewise these realistically are in the mid-to-upper $20k range as well depending on mileage and are pretty much invisible on the street. Most of them seem to be black (which is not my favorite since it is very hard to keep clean here and I can be a bit lazy) and the styling is okay but not nearly as good as the S8 above.
2012-2013 Dodge Ram Laramie 4×4 Crew Cab– I’ve never owned a large pickup and kind of like the idea. The biggest problem that likely makes it a non-starter is the length. If I move the garbage cans and the rolling tool chest it MIGHT fit but I have no good other place to put those items. A large truck is alright for taking clients out in here if it is trimmed out nicely enough and there is something about the Ram that I like a lot.
Gas mileage will probably not be that something, though. I’ll be realistic (and truthful) and probably be able to find a REAL use for it maybe a dozen times a year maximum. I do like the idea of trying something very American though. Again, if I just had Jason’s barn….And no, Jason, I have no interest in your van!
2002-2005 Audi Allroad – These are everywhere here but they all seem to have covered intergalactic mileages and/or are completely worn out. My brother used to own one and we have friends with one, they are simply awesome Colorado vehicles.
Big and comfortable with adjustable ride height, a powerful and easily tunable 2.7liter twin-turbo engine and a great image they hit all the buttons. Pricewise, even the most expensive ones tend to be under $10,000 but finding a low-mileage creampuff is difficult, I’ve been on the lookout since we moved here.
(Potential alternative option: 2002 Audi S6 Avant – same body, steel spring suspension, with a 4.2liter V8. Actually a bit easier to find with lower mileage than the Allroad but pricier and the V8 is less desirable than the turbo up here at this altitude between the two of them).
2014-2015 Honda Accord Sport – Yes, even more pedestrian than the Subaru. However, probably the ultimate “No worries” car of the bunch. Probably slightly underpowered-feeling (have not driven one) but nicely finished, roomy, and oh-so-reliable. And fantastic resale value as well. But just sort of boring.
My wife would actively hate it but would admit that it makes all kinds of rational sense. Not sure if I need or want that kind of sense but it’s there as a safe alternative if I need something and need it now and am willing to compromise on the AWD, snow tires would work I suppose.
Readily available and priced in the mid-20k’s (or maybe even low $20k’s?). I’m not sure if an Accord signals “successful” to a client though , that does matter. The Accord is probably the only one of the FWD sedan class that I would consider, for no particular reason. Actually, no, the Passat would be the obvious alternate for me in this case. With the new turbo engine it could work just as well or better and the wife would like it too. Hmm.
2010 Lexus LS460 AWD – Surprisingly it too fits the garage limitation. And what’s not to love about the top of the line Lexus model – Hugely roomy, impeccably finished, all the modern conveniences without worrying about electrical issues and good resale value. The car is perhaps a bit floaty and generally attracts a slightly older clientele but would be a “safe” choice. The pricing bumps up toward my self-imposed ceiling but there should be little to no unexpected expenditures going forward.
They seem to not be available in many interesting colors (black and silver being probably the best and the maroon and gold are not attractive to me) and I’m not wild about that red-tinted wood trim they tend to have (not the one pictured though) . I have not driven one yet but hope to do so this week while visiting the in-laws (Gotta keep myself busy somehow…)
2011 Mercedes E350 4Matic (wagon preferably) – You really can’t go wrong with an E-Class (OK, we won’t talk about the late 90’s to mid-2000’s). The newer ones are back to feeling pretty solid, the wagon looks as timeless as ever and the engine has plenty of power. Like it or not, that star on the bonnet still carries some gravitas and Mercedes have generally been relatively user-friendly from a mechanical standpoint.
The all-black interiors would work well with the kids, and safety is pretty much their middle name. But, I don’t think they are anywhere near the bottom of the depreciation curve and if I get rid of it in a couple of years I think I would take a bit of a bath. For some reason, Mercedes wagons always make me think of either Napa Valley or Cape Cod, not sure why but there are worse places to be reminded of.
2008-2012 Volvo XC70 T-6 – A big Volvo with turbo power is always handy. Around here many people seem to be selling the normally aspirated ones and hanging on to the turbos but when they come up for sale, they are right in the pricing sweet spot, between $20k-30k depending on mileage. They are roomy, the seats are fantastic and they are sort of like an Outback on Steroids.
The first and second generations were overshadowed a bit by the Audi wagons but I think this generation (the current one) easily holds it own. I do despise our local Volvo dealer though which is a concern and am not thrilled about the Chinese ownership of Volvo these days either. However, they seem to be able to rack up large mileages and there are plenty of independent Volvo mechanics around if I don’t want to get my own hands dirty.
So that’s my short list. Who knows, I could end up with something completely different. You’ve all suffered through my long list of previous cars, what do you think I will end up with or what do you think I SHOULD end up with? I’m curious!
What about a lightly Used Tesla S? Also, scores very well in crash tests.
I’d want an AWD and those are just rolling out now. Alas, my budget does not extend that far…Good idea though! One of my neighbors is getting one, will be fun to go for rides with him.
Jim, hey man, just a little bondo and that Subi Outback will be good as new.
Or was that an “I want a different car” accident?
The insurance company is the one saying he needs a different car.
Yep, not just gonna buff out. But my body shop guy said someone will patch it up and sell it with a salvage title. I don’t want to drive that one anymore though after that.
Clearly a 2010-14 Ford F150 is the answer. With the new models coming out dealers want to get rid of remaining stock ASAP. The clients will enjoy themselves on a Platinum or a King Ranch but even the normal XLT has plenty in the way of creature comforts.
With three kids and the way it protected you – plus the new non-Transformers dash – seems like a relacement Subie makes sense. My experience with longevity of the six is certainly good…
Of your list, my personal pick would be one of the Audis, under the “you only live once” maxim. Either one would be immensely enjoyable to drive or to ride in, and fantastic-looking (inside and out, Audi is great at interiors). It’s probably end up as a “keep for a few years” car rather than a super long term proposition, but either one is a LOT of car at a good value. Suspect you’re right on the S6 being more entertaining to drive, but that S8 is quite a looker (and would probably be more comfortable going 3 across in the back).
If not the Audis, third place for me would probably be the Volvo. I do like a wagon and they’re making some compelling cars lately.
As to things not on your llst that potentially could interest you–Hyundai Genesis R-spec? Cadillac CTS Sportwagon? Acura TSX wagon?
My wife likes you already 🙂 The S8 is a fantastic looking (and feeling) car. Might be a little over the top but you are right, you only go around once.
Thanks for the other ideas too – The CTS is too small in the back, we looked at it last time and the TSX is FWD and 4cyl only. (In CA that would be fine and a contender, but not for us in CO). Not sure about the Hyundai although they do build some great cars nowadays, probably prefer the Lexus.
Did they sell the RS6 in the States? That had the twin-turbo V10, you know just to make sure there aren’t any problems with the altitude! Don’t get the ceramic brakes though, at least not if you plan to do track days because they don’t last any longer and cost 5x as much to replace.
It will be interesting to see if you like the Lexus, that could be a good long term car. I’m not sure an Audi would be the same.
Nice primer on what’s out there used, Jim. I’m more of a learner than a knower when it comes to choosing a car right now, so I’ll be interested in the opinions of our brothers and sisters. We can all benefit from your quest!
Why not track down a replacement 2014 Outback with the V6? It should be slightly cheaper now that the start of the 2015 model year is upon us. The car served you well and had everything in it you wanted and protected you and your family when it was needed. Even after the accident and the extensive engine damage the car still started up.
It seems to me a replacement Subi is in order.
I thought about that but then also looked at the new ones. The difference in price is so small that I would want the new one for sure, they are already offering 10% off sticker without any trying and 1.49% financing if I want. The new ’15 is SO much nicer inside to my eyes, I can’t go back now which is exactly why I didn’t look at the new ones when I bought my ’14! Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it.
Lots of nice choices listed. I’ve found the impression you make with a vehicle depends a lot on who you are impressing – no two people will work out the same – so there are no perfect answers.
Even though I’m not hugely knowledgeable about Audi’s, I know that their 8 Series falls into S Class and 7 Series territory. I’d tend to think you were loaded with cash. The Subaru would strike me as mundane and practical – not that there is anything wrong with that, but that’s just me. The Chrysler seems like the sort of perfect client car; conservative, not too flashy, and American enough to satisfy those that still worry about that. The Buick Enclave would work that nice middle ground as well. Go a bit fancier with a Cadillac CTS. A lot of Lexus and Volvo products would work well, but you lose that American aspect. Volvos strike me as interesting, probably because they are rare where I am.
I also weighed the client question when selecting my last vehicle. Two issues were pressing – my vehicles were getting old and looking a little battle worn. I also needed to update my towing vehicle. A Tahoe or Expedition would have put a third SUV in my garage, a bit boring among other issues. Owning rental property, a truck sure sounded nice for when I have to move a lawn mower or an appliance. A well equipped truck is also less expensive than a well equipped SUV.
So, I went with the truck. A well equipped F-150 Lariat – a mid luxury trim. In black with a tonneau cover it works like a big sedan. A few clients have asked me the truck question, but none seem to mind it. It has served as a spacious conference room several times, I really like that aspect. Trucks are so common, several clients have had trucks themselves, and we have had a few common bond conversations about them. Another surprise has been how many people REALLY like it and aspire to something similar. The only thing that has bothered me is that the running boards are necessary for entry, and oh-boy are they slippery with a little snow or slush on them. I carry a few towels and warn people about them.
A note on handling the truck bed – I had a Line-X coating installed, put a Bed Rug brand floor mat in it, and of course the tonneau cover. The Undercover brand is very cost effective, and I ordered it direct and installed it myself.
The result is very finished and trunk like. Stuff generally won’t slide around, which is also nice. I can remove the tonneu cover and remove the mat, instant work truck. Wash out the back and return the accessories, and back to my executive sedan. The Line-X really makes the bed area quiet.
Thank you for your thoughts!
The American aspect is more me than anything else, this area is composed of many transplants from the coasts and not particularly conservative in that sense.
Our other car is a big SUV (and can handle the towing stuff) so I’d prefer something of a counterpoint, we did look at the Enclave before buying “her” car last year, they are VERY nice, we definitely considered it.
Thanks for the thoughts about the big Audi, that’s what I am a bit concerned with as well. If we were still in CA, I’d have the same thought about the Subaru, here though they are pretty much “class”-less, kind of like a Prius, people from ALL walks of life and demographics drive them.
I did not know there was such a thing as a 2005-2006 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 Wagon in this country. Personally I would avoid anything fancy and German since I am used to inexpensive parts and labor with my vehicles from the Big 3. Plus even if those vehicles are unreliable the parts are easier to find, I can work on them myself, and there is a wide selection of people who can fix them. The same goes for the Volvo minus the German part.
If I lived in Colorado I would have at least one AWD and/or 4X4 in my fleet so the Accord is something I am unsure about, but it comes with a stick shift. Plus it is a sedan and not a wagon, which is a body style I never see myself buying. Feel free to call me out, but if I want luxury I will buy a Buick or a Cadillac instead of a Lexus which looks too weird and in my eyes is a Toyota with more fancy bits.
The Chrysler 300 is sharp looking and I think you can even get an AWD version. The Ram looks too fancy and I agree with other people when they say that the F-150 is possibly easier to pick up cheaper.
I say go with another Outback and maybe even a Forester if you want a stick shift. I have not heard much praise about the Subaru’s CVT other than it is there and does not break. Have you looked into Jeeps at all?
I won’t call you out, everyone’s circumstances and preferences are different. I get all the stick shift time I need in the 911, other times I just want to get from point A to point B and be able to be uninvolved in the process.
We have a large-ish AWD SUV so are covered on that front, preferring to get something lower (sedan/wagon).
I wish they made a proper Accord Wagon with AWD, but they just offer that sort of misshapen Crosstour thing instead and the Pilot and CRV.
Thanks for the input, appreciate the viewpoint!
Jim,
I may be in the minority here, but I really think you and your family ought to go for a 2008-12 Volvo XC70. They are reliable and comfortable, but most of all, they are extremely safe, with outstanding crash test ratings both here and in Europe. My father currently has a 2009 XC70 3.2 (NA) that he loves dearly – it just crested over 100k miles and he told me the other week that it’s more than ready for the next 100k. I’m a Volvo man myself and Dad has promised me his XC70 if or when he tires of it.
Do you prefer the 3.2 or the T6? This is just me but I prefer the NA cars mainly because there is no turbo and much less to go wrong when something does happen. Just watch out for minor electrical gremlins on these XC70s – they are very complex cars and some parts can only be ordered through the dealership.
One more thing – so many people keep the Volvos for the long-term. If you get one, I could see you passing it on to your kids when they come of driving age.
Yep, we liked the Volvos a lot when we looked at them earlier in the year before we got the Outback. The 3.2’s are dreadfully slow up here at altitude, once they get going they are fine, but we test drove a turbo as well and that killed the 3.2 for us. I’m no speed demon but usually prefer the bigger engine option. I’m not worried about the turbos, we’ve had 6 (or was it 7?) turbo cars, two of them being Volvos (740T, V40) and never had an issue with anything turbo related.
If you want an SUV, there are used Cadillac SRX’s in the Denver area that are in your price range. I would have suggested a used CTS sedan (2014) but they are still pricey and not many available. New ones are expensive (my social security payments bought mine). With no trade in you are can haggle over the price, especially now that it is winter.
Jim, you have a lot of delicious choices here. And I hadn’t even thought of offering up the van until you mentioned it. I could, however, be convinced to sub-lease a bay in my rental shed for the duration I remain here.
You have hit upon several good choices. Knowing what you do, but not the full extent of client perception, the cautious part of me would shy away from some of these choices. However….
The Chrysler could fit the bill in a number of ways and few will think twice about it. It would check all your boxes and on the off-chance you need to find a dealer during a mega-drive, finding a Chrysler dealer is much easier than some of the other makes.
A pickup makes a lot of sense for what you do, especially if hauling materials. The realtor I used when I moved to Hannibal in 2007 had an extended cab F-150 and he is still driving it after becoming a broker and opening his own office. He showed me a house out in the boonies with 8″ of snow on the road (plus deeper drifts) and we sliced right through it. I would be tempted to forego the Ram and get an F-150. There are still 2014 models on the lot, they are as reliable as an anvil, and there isn’t too much to worry about from the perception end. If choosing, I would get a 5.0 instead of an Ecoboost.
The Accord would be a wise choice, something I was curious about when we bought the VW but Mrs. Jason thinks them as being over-wrought in appearance. I cannot disagree with your assessment about them and even wondered about a Passat a sentence or two before you mentioned it. You can get a nice mid-grade Passat with a 1.8 right in your price range or less. The worst fuel economy we have obtained is 30.7 mpg after many short trips around town in cold weather. The only problem has been a flat tire, which can happen to anything at any time.
You could also get another Subaru; it’s obvious you liked the old one.
There are a lot of good alternatives out there so I don’t think you can easily go wrong. Your concern about client perception is real as is the need to get all of Jim’s Spawn into their own seat.
The big question: Will you or Mrs. Klein be the primary driver?
The Accord would not be a bad choice, given that I do live in snow country Vermont. Though I do own a Subaru, a neighbor down the road (unpaved-dirt) has an Accord with a nice set of winter steel wheels with beefy studded snow tires. He manages quite well. A relatively heavy front wheel car with good winter tires is a good second choice, particularly if you live in in a well snow plowed community.
Good to know re: the Accord, thanks for the reference point! We had an Odyssey with snow tires and I was not particularly impressed, hence my hesitation. Could be I picked the wrong tires (Conti ExtremeWinterContact instead of my usually Blizzak preference).
IT was the van as I said in that installment of your COAL series the ExtremeWinterContact is superior to the Blizzak or matches them in all aspects of winter driving.
Yep, I was thinking of you when I wrote the above, you did say that! The van was pretty heavy and FWD and not impressive in the snow/ice.
With several recomending the Accord and it is a nice car, how about the Acura TLX with AWD? A nicer car and probably better in the snow.
Hi, thanks! I will be the primary driver, Mrs. Klein has the fancy 3row SUV – the nice thing is that it is as nice as we will every need with a client, so we can always swap cars (and did with the Subaru depending on who it was and that goes both ways, sometimes the car can be TOO nice…).
F150 would be good, I looked at those (and still do). My kids prefer the Ram for some reason, I don’t know enough of the differences yet to matter to me.
My wife thinks exactly the same way as yours (at least in the Accord vs Passat department). And I was thinking of yours when I wrote that.
All I know is it’s going to be fun to shop! I’m in SoCal for a few days with nothing really to do so will be looking around here for nice, non-rusty, non rock-chipped creampuffs!
My insurance company told me my Audi A3 was a safe car which resulted in a favorable rate. I don’t like the cladding on the All-road and it can’t be lowered without great expense, but other wise it seems like a good car for you.
If you live/drive down on “the flats”, then fwd + studded snows is all you need. Up at 9000′, we need 4wd/awd primarily for the ground clearance on poorly plowed / unplowed / rocky roads. Still need the studs, though – gotta be able to stop on the ice.
Chrysler or Lexus for me.I think Jim will get another Subaru though
Was that GX next to the Outback yours? If not, get one with KDSS. Or maybe an Xterra, that’ll fit the length requirement.
A 1969 Dodge Charger, triple black with a 440/4 speed/Dana rear. Great family car.
But actually….
“I think Chryslers seem to depreciate more than even your average European luxury car on a percentage basis. But even the non-CPO’d ones have a 5year, 100k mile powertrain warranty.”
Not so fast….the big RWD LX-based cars have some of the best resale values on the market today and they are built like tanks and very reliable.
Of the shortlisted cars, the 300C. Before I started reading the article I was going to suggest a used Magnum so we were both on the same wavelength there. The new 300s have an interior miles ahead of the Magnum and there’s just a lot of torque but the availability of AWD. Fuel economy is reasonable too with the cylinder deactivation, they look upmarket enough and are spacious enough for a family. Overall, ticks boxes on both the head and heart sides of the equation.
As far as Audis go, I usually am not a fan but you made some interesting selections there. Still, one thing that stops me buying European is parts and servicing costs. Hey, maybe my concerns are unfounded nowadays.
Of cars not on the list, I second the CTS AWD Sport Wagon suggestion. One of the most beautiful wagons ever made and the interior is lovely too.
Thanks, I was thinking the same way on the 300C. By the way the AWD will no longer be available on the V8’s starting 2015, so this is the last chance.
Audi’s still have every potential for turning into an expensive nightmare but no more than any other European. My eyes are wide open though. The newer V10 engined cars have far fewer issues and maintenance requirements than something like the older RS6 though.
Good call on the SRX too, didn’t think about that. On our long drive to SoCal, yesterday and today my wife also thought the Lincoln MKS with AWD and 3.5liter Turbo engine looked good, will have to price those but it should be doable. The whole Sync entertainment system scares me though, the Chrysler UConnect is SO good, it’s almost unbelievable it came from Chrysler.
Also consider the final few years of the first generation Cadillac SRX. Nice interior, V8, AWD, and one of the best-handling crossovers of its time.
Jim, from your list, my first choice would be the Mercedes E350 wagon, followed by the Lexus LS460. I really like the current E-Class a lot. The interiors have come back a long way since the previous two generations, and the more commonly found MB-tex is very soft, durable, and convincing as real leather. It’s a good family car and also stately enough to use for business.
Although I find the LS much more boring than, say an Audi S8 V10, it would be a much smarter choice in terms of cost to maintain, and you wouldn’t feel as bad about letting the kids climb around in. Definitely a sleeper, but needless to say a very nice car. They are hard to find in non white-black-silver-gray, they did come in a nice green color (which you know I like). There’s a 27,000-mile ’09 factory certified for sale on eBay right now.
Have you given any thought to the Volvo XC60 either? Or what about the Acura MDX? The MDX (current and previous generation) has always been one of my favorites, and for a crossover, it’s really entertaining to drive. The SH-AWD is one of the best AWD systems I’ve had the fortune of testing.
You are absolutely correct in everything you say, thanks! Saw lots of E-classes today on our trip (but no wagons), they are very nice.
No desire for an SUV though, the wife’s suffices for that. (Unless I happen to find the perfect one at a bargain price, who knows).
Yeah I actually test drove a new E350 back in 2011 – a very nice ride and good power. I see plenty of them where I work at Whole Foods. They tend to be popular with the wealthy Hingham and Cohasset types who have moved up from Volvo V70s and XC90s.
It may not be to your liking, but the 2011-2012 Acura RL is a pretty nice ride. By that point into its lifecycle, nearly everything was perfected. It has SH-AWD as well, the grille is a little more attractive than the ’09s, and that dash is a work of art. Last year my friend’s dad bought a CPO 2011 RL and loves it. For their low production numbers there’s a surprising amount of low-mileage examples for sale, probably coming off leases.
Good luck with the search. I’m sure you’ll find the right car and I can’t wait to find out what it is.
Get a 2014-2015 Ram 1500 with a 3.0 diesel!
Spend a lot on fuel to go slow, no thanks. Not to mention the upfront and maintenance costs. Motor Trend did a test where they pitted the 2.7 Ecoboost against the 3.0 Ecodiesel and GM 5.3 V8. When the higher price of diesel was figured in the savings were only 2% and they did not factor in the DEF or the fact that the diesel will be significantly more expensive to maintain.
Forester XT. Think of it as a WRX with a really big trunk. Unfortunately the XT hasn’t been available with a manual transmission in North America since 2008, but the CVT on the current model XT is a heavier duty unit that can be shifted manually or set to simulate the shift points of a conventional automatic. I’ve driven a 2014 Foz with the 2.5/CVT combo and other than it taking a bit of getting used to the lack of noticeable shift points it’s not bad at all. The same can’t be said of the current Impreza or Crosstrek with the CVT. They can barely get out of their own way.
Just swap out the rear sway bar with one frpm an ’08-’12 STi (bolts right in) and you’ll have the best sleeper in town. All the fun of a WRX without the insurance premiums, high theft rate and unwanted attention from law enforcement.
Appreciate the input concerning Subaru CVT’s… I was beginning to get disappointed about CVT’s… sounds promising. Thank you. Maybe there is some hope.
Rule of thumb (for Subarus) seems to be more horsepower = better functioning CVT. Stay away from a CVT Impreza or Crosstrek and you’ll be OK.
Is that right? I will definitely have to drive the ’15 Outback H-6 with CVT then to see, I wasn’t fond of the one in the cylinder last year and is one of the reasons I got the H6 with the 5speed auto.
Not a Forester fan? Too small?
I’d try the Forester XT against the 3.6 Outback and see which one you like better.
Yeah, just not a fan of it, even though they’re actually fairly large inside. I really wish they still offered a turbo in the Outback like the older XT’s. Pricing is similar Forester vs Outback too, the Outback just rides better and is a bit more refined (to me anyway). Not that they are bad though.
I’d say the 300, the A8, or the S6. They have about a thousand times more swagger than anything else on the list, so why not have a little fun?
Exactly.
For me, the Volvo, the Mercedes wagon or how about an Acura Tourer like Paul Niedermayer’s?
The Ram just does not work, but the Jaguar appeals too. Do you get the Jaguar XF estate in the US?
Or for something really different, try finding a last model SAAB 9-5
Hey Roger, We have not (yet) received the XF Estate, I as surprised we got the X-type when we did as sales were already dwindling of the sedan at that point. Gorgeous car though (the XF)! I see one of the new Saab 9-5’s regularly around my neighborhood, I love Saabs but think I am done with them, there is less expertise around my area than in yours in that regard. I also saw the twin to Paul’s car today on the freeway, they are rare, I wish they came in AWD and with the V6.
Don’t get confused. Head on down to the local Suby dealer and get a new outback!
How about another Subaru? That’s what I’d buy. 🙂
If you do any (and I mean any) night driving, don’t get a ram any older than a14. The earlier trucks without the projector headlights are horrible, we had a 11 3500 and the high beams are not as bright as most cars fog lights and an aftermarket upgrade is spendy. On the other hand the 14 3500 dually’s marker lights are as bright as the 11’s high beams.
Now for my personal pick….. The 14 300 S mainly for the red leather inserts on the interior. And they come pretty much loaded.
Thanks for the Ram info, can’t (don’t want to) afford a ’14 I think.
I do love me a red leather interior as well, that’s a good pick too!
The recent long drive review over at that other place did not have good things to say about the headlights on the current Ram. The 1/2 ton does ride nice but at a lack of real payload. Some versions of the 300 are actually rated to carry more than a 1/2 ton Ram as sad as it is.
My vote would be the Chrysler 300.
What about a Volvo S80? Look for a 2012 or later to get the updated interior. Nice solid cars and though not as practical as the wagon variant they do tend to be a bit cheaper.
Yep, it’s on the search list as well, thanks! So 2012 was the update, thanks, I wasn’t sure.
Be sure to get the technology package. The radar cruise is an option I thought I would hate but ended loving. It makes long highway drives SO much more enjoyable.
Also the 2012s and later get more horsepower and improved transmission programming for the 3.2 NA inline 6 that make it much more appealing. Mine has this engine and I never feel lacking in power and 31 miles per gallon is easily achievable on the highway.
You seem to have very similar tastes in cars to my own, I really like all your choices. I’m just not that big of a Japanese fan myself, though I know they make some excellent vehicles and a Subaru would be my top contender for a Japanese car. I’d lean towards the Audis, the Chrysler or the Volvo; I drive a ’93 240 wagon right now but I’m with you on the iffy-ness of Chinese ownership.
Nothing iffy about that. Volvos are still being designed, engineered and built in Sweden. They still use the same parts suppliers, too.
Geely is only the owner of the brand and Geely management allows Volvo to do things their own -and very successful- way.
Would you look at a 2011 Audi A6 with 16000 miles, $35000, turbo 3.0? Audi dealer in Lakewood
Yes I would, that’s Prestige Audi, right? They must have just gotten it in, I didn’t see it when perusing their site last week. That engine (the supercharged V6) can apparently be made to actually outperform the V10 quite easily but it no slouch stock either. The black is not a plus for me but otherwise it sounds pretty good, will need to look at it when I get back to CO next week if it’s still there. Thanks!
Yes, I found it on Cars.com. Most of the Audi’s are high mileage.
How about a 2011-13 Infiniti M, especially the M56x? From what I’ve read, you need to skip the sport suspension, but the V8 has something around 420hp. I’ve always liked the look and that it’s not a me-too car.
I also image a 2013 allroad fits your budget, but may be too narrow.
That could be a contender, need to see what’s available. The interiors are cool in a funky kind of way from what I recall. And there is a dealer about 30 miles away now, so that works. Thanks!
The newer allroad is too small, unfortunately. There is a gorgeous lowish-mile CPO 2011 A4 Avant (same body) in black with black interior and blacked out trim with tons of options at my dealer for $27500 but it’s just too snug in the back even though the current generation is stretched quite a bit compared to the one before. I think the way the roof is squished makes it at least seem smaller now and they are too narrow. But it was amazing how many of the new allroads I saw coming over Eisenhower and Vail Passes yesterday evening, they’ve turned into the official High Rockies car, usually I only see one every week or two, last night they were all over the place. Mountains + Turbo + AWD = Sales.
In your shoes, my first impulse would be to go with what worked last time, a Subie.
Second choice, throwing it out there because I didn’t see anyone else mention it: Lincoln.
Rich Bennett mentioned on his TBS FB page that he had driven an MKC (fancified Ford Escape) and really liked it. AWD will set you back $35-$40K, depending on how much you abuse the option list.179.2″ long
The MKZ is also available with AWD, and $35-$40K depending on options abuse, if a sedan could work for you. 194″ long
That being said, I have given Ford two opportunites in the last dozen years. Neither was the disaster that the POS 78 Zephyr was, but both were dissapointing in terms of ability to stay out of the shop.
Hey, thanks. Re: Lincoln, we saw an MKS driving today, and may go look at one. With AWD and the 3.5turbo it would work. A Ford Flex with the same set-up positively went flying by us at 10,000 feet yesterday.
The MKZ that I sat in at the LA Autoshow a year ago I could not fit in, my head hit the roof (maybe they changed it) but I had the same issue with a Lexus GS350 I tried last week. And I am not freakishly long in the torso or anything…
The new MKC does look nice but too small. My neighbor has an Escape (free work vehicle) and it has literally been in the shop once a month since she got it a year ago, mainly recalls according to her (although that’s only one data point). Thanks for the input and suggesting something new!
I’d say the Flex is a good choice for that platform. The rear seat are is huge, relative to their overall size and they are distinctive, but not in a hey look how much money I make kind of way.
A couple things:
-you said you wanted to keep length under 200″ The Flex is 201.8″ and the MKS 205.6″. My Taurus X was 200″ and it was amazingly hard to maneuver compared to my Civic, and my 180″ Jetta wagon is way more manuverable than the T-X
-If you have bigger snow dumps than I get here near Detroit, be thinking about ground clearance. There were mornings when the Escort, Civic or GLC, all with 6″ of clearance, had snow hitting the underside of the car as I slithered to work. Edmunds gives the ground clearance for the MKS as 5″, but it could be a typo as noone else gives any ground clearance figure at all.
The turbo V6 AWD MKS will also set you back about 47 big ones.
My neighbor has an Escape (free work vehicle) and it has literally been in the shop once a month since she got it a year ago, mainly recalls according to her (although that’s only one data point).
The Escape, and the Ecoboost engines in general, have been plagued with recalls. iirc the Escape was recalled for a fuel leak, then recalled again for the same thing because the first fix didn’t work. Whether they got it sorted before building the MKC is an open question so far.
‘course, you could sniff around a BMW X3. The AWD 2 litre turbo will set you back about $40K. I sniffed around one at the auto show last January and found it fairly agreeable, except for one big thing.
The one big thing: the European makes don’t provide an “off” switch for the traction control anymore. I looked at Bimmers, Mercs, Volvos, Audis and VeeDubs. The only one with an “off” switch was the Jetta wagon, because it is an old design. The reason I was looking for the off switch was a coworker had a Saab, and would get stuck on the patch of ice that forms at traffic lights. The traction control was so sensitive that it would shut the car down no matter how gently he tried to creep away when the light turned green. I read a test report of a Jetta sedan (which doesn’t have an off switch) where the tester complained about a sleepy traction control that didn’t engage right away.
The Europeans make be making the trac control intentionally slow to respond, but I would rather have the off switch, incase they didn’t get their sums right.
A lot of Fords don’t have an “off” switch anymore either. All the GM, Mopar and Asian models I looked at did have the switch.
My personal list off yours:
– XC70 T6 – always wanted one, has everything I always wanted. Definitely only T6, reviews on 3.2 were less than stellar.
– Audi AllRoad – always wanted one, but the older one – newer one based on A4 is just too small.
– Outback 3.6R – new one is definitely bigger and better than the one before facelift.
– Tribeca !!! – have one now. Outback on steroids. Gas mileage sucks, but that’s the only negative so far (two years). Actually, I don’t think they will have 2015 Tribeca, so 2014 may come as a really good deal.
– S8/S6 and E350 are awesome dream cars, but don’t seem very practical (comes from someone with a 1-year-old kid).
– definitely not 300 (comes from 300m Special owner) – big, bulky, horrible view from the driver’s seat, zero resale value. Jaguar – meh, not the greatest car either.
– no idea about Ram or Accord – Accord seems like a great car, but just way too plain.
Good luck with your search! It’s always tons of fun picking a new vehicle.
I’d say get another Subaru if you liked the one you had.
I think you are right to be concerned about the image something like an Audi will project. If the bulk of your clients are buying/selling house around or below the median price in your market area some people may not want to work with you because they feel you are getting “rich” at their expense. As it is many sellers balk at the commission rate since they think you don’t do a lot to “earn” it and don’t consider the fact that it is usually split 4 ways.
On the other hand if your clientele are mainly “high end”, and drive cars as status symbols they may think that you aren’t successful if you are driving an “ordinary” car. (Note this is not meant as a insult to anyone, just a fact that some people judge/show their own success by the car they drive and thus judge others based on what they drive)
I think the Subaru splits the difference pretty well since they are mainly known for their AWD, something that is useful in your area a significant portion of the year.
+1. Agreed. The Outback exists in a strangely classless middle ground, likely to be accepted by a wide variety of clients. The Volvo XC70 is in a similar middle ground – inoffensive to less well off folks, and quietly classy to better off folks.
That A8 V10 is talking to me…in a very seductive voice, at that.
+1
I’ve been happy with my 2013 Mazda CX-5 so far…quite fun to drive! Give it a try, you might like it…!
CPO Audi a-7, around the east coast I see 2014s with around 10k going for the 50s (20,000 off) and now include a 6/100,000 warranty.
I’ll bet you would love the hatchback utility, Audi premium features, styling which is just different enough to be unique but not offensive and the available diesel.
Of the ones you mention, I rather like the LS. I drove one not long ago (an L model though) and was certainly impressed with it. Powerful and very smooth.
The Audi with the Lamborghini based V10 would be a guilty pleasure. At least, to me….
I think the 4Matic Benz wagon with a V6 would meet all your expectations and desires.
Our company 2012 Audi A6 3.0T lease ends in January. It now has about 42,000 miles. The company owner thought about buying it to resell. That lasted until it was discovered that private party blue book is quite a bit less than Audi used as a projected residual in calculating the lease. It’s worth about $31k as a private sale, less as a trade in. It hasn’t been a reliability nightmare by Audi standards, but that’s partly because I’m the only one that drives it that cares about warning lights usually being on. Nobody else seems to care that the camera and perimeter warning system often seem to think you’re still in reverse for a few blocks after you’ve selected drive. The 8-speed transmission’s best days are about 30k miles behind it. Shifts are often clunky and its standard mode has it racing to higher gears that hobble acceleration while sport mode snaps your head forward when you lift off the gas. I think the supercharged engine has had two oil changes in three years at 14k miles per. There are other little foibles, like a retractable screen that sounds like it’s crushing walnuts when it retracts and console mounted buttons that are gummed up. I wouldn’t want to be holding the bag when the warranty ends. These cars are built to appeal to people who take their technology cues from their smartphones. They’ve succeeded, but the end result is a car that will be a pleasure to own for about as long as a smartphone is. That’s fine as long as you’re ready to pay for 50% depreciation in 3 years and then do it again for the next version.
Hi Jim,
I bought my all-road (used) in Austin, TX. It had the full winter package, don’t ask me why. It was perfect for my pending move to CO. In fact, the week after I bought it, it snowed (in TX), as if to say “thank you for taking me to CO”!
Perhaps more cold Texans are looking to get rid of their low-mileage all-roads?
Your brother
Hey little brother,
I remember your Allroad fondly and whenever I am looking on Craigslist when my garage is already full, seem to find plenty of them. Now that I have an extra space there are no good ones to be found of course!
Don’t worry, my search is nationwide, I’ve done the fly in, drive home thing twice now and it’s usually a lot of fun.
Glad you’re OK. I still get a stiff neck some days from being rear-ended in the late great Matador almost 30 years ago, so if you & your wife are unscathed that’s a blessing for sure.
I had been looking at the Outback as well, being one of the few vehicles you can get a manual transmission in (at least in Canada you can, don’t think it’s an option in the US) and my engineering suspicions just don’t trust CVTs yet.
For used stuff the Volvo XC90 seems to have a good mix of interior space and exterior style. FWIW a co-worker has an Allroad and his experience is that of the stereotypical German car: Wonderful to drive, miserable to own.
Good luck!
Considering the Outback sacrificed its life to save yours, I think you should honor it by getting another!
Isn’t it fun looking for a new car with an insurance check in your hand? 🙂
My thoughts: You liked the Subie, so check out the new one to see if you can take the CVT. With your history, odds are you will not keep the car for 100k, and resale is good.
The Chrysler scratches the big ‘Murcan V8 itch. Gas prices are likely to stay low for the next 2 or 3 years, so now might be the time to get that experience. The pickup might fall under this rationale too.
Finally, the dark horse: have you looked at the new 2015 Kia Sedona? The old Sedona was for the price shopper, but the new one actually looks to be a nice car. Don’t know if it comes in AWD, but I like the powertrain on mine a lot. I sat in one and liked it quite a bit. The big console between the front seats makes you forget its a minivan.
Whatever you pick, I look forward to reading about it.
Glad to hear your sister likes hers, I remember you mentioning it in Auburn and wanted to say something but didn’t want to reveal my new COAL at the time and then forgot about it when others weren’t around anymore…
The dealer near my in-laws this week has a couple of 3.6’s in stock, so I may saunter over there and see if I can wangle a drive to check out its new CVT.
Thanks re: the Kia – I think we are done with the Minivan thing for now, but the new one’s are nice, I saw them at the dealer last week. I liked the ride I took in a rental (same gen as yours I think) a few years back, it seemed like a completely competent equivalent to the Sienna and Odyssey in terms of size and engine. Glad you still are fond of yours. Looking forward to reading a story about it sooner or later! – You know, I’ve often thought some of the most interesting automotive press stories are the ones regarding the writers’ OWN cars (past and present), it gives an insight into their thoughts and can add long term context to everything else they write. The Brits seem to do this well at least in the Classic Car magazines over there that I read on the Barnes & Noble newsstand.
How about a new Taurus SHO? AWD and plenty of get up and go.
I have the more pedestrian 2011 SEL. It rides nice, is quiet and there is a lot of room in the back. The trunk is massive as well. Fuel economy is decent for what it is too.
The SHO flies under the radar too, since it doesn’t look too much different than your average Taurus.
Right off the bat, I would remove the Europeans and anything with a CVT from the list.
I’m surprised to see the RAM 1500 on your list because it’s so unlike the others. I suspect it will get bumped, partly because of your garage space limitations and because you said your wife already has a large SUV. Skip the 2012 and look at 2013s with the 8-speed automatic. I’m not sure, but I think 2013 was when they made improvements to the 5.7 Hemi (VVT, cylinder deactivation) to improve fuel economy as well. I would be tempted to go for a new one with the EcoDiesel, but if a brand new RAM is out of your budget, the added up-front cost of the diesel would make it an even more unlikely proposition.
Excepting the pickup, my first choice would probably be the 300. The refreshed version looks so much better than the previous one to me, there’s the Hemi which should be mated to the 8-speed automatic, and a good value angle.
My wife would probably argue for the Accord. We’ve been very happy with her Hondas. It doesn’t have the best looks, but IMO you buy Hondas despite their looks, not because of them.
What about the last generation SAAB 9-5. The one that was only manufactured for like 1 year.
I would definitely consider the Volvo V70 T6 – maybe you could even find an R-Line version for that extra special sleeper touch. A blower in the mountains cannot be overestimated.
The older Audis – while most exciting – probably lack the small offset crash performance of the Volvo (which aced the test). With the altitude, you won’t maximize the V10 performance in any event.
I do daily drive a 2014 Accord Sport with a Manual and live in the snowbelt. Blizzaks make it unstoppable except for the highest drifts (which would stop anything without high ground clearance). I love the car, but it is a bit spartan. Car and Driver had one for 40,000 mi and really enjoyed its combination of space, pace, invisibility, and reliability.
Regarding impressing clients, my line of work used to require me to charge clients slightly exorbitant hourly rates for my services. I was always cognizant that they had choices and that their money paid for the vehicle they rode in. Now that I hire attorneys, I do keep an eye on what rolls into the visitor parking. Ultra-flashy rides generally don’t leave me with a favorable impression out of the gate, and I think many people paying the bills feel the same. In my experience, there seems to be a slight correlation (not causation) between outsize-personality cars and an inability to put the client’s interest first.
Once, due to some unforeseen circumstances, I had to pick up a VIP 9-figure net worth client from the airport. In a 1994 Volvo 940 wagon with peeling clearcoat. I was mortified, but the client owned one and it actually turned into a great conversation that deepened the relationship.
I think the Volvo strikes a great balance between luxury and financial prudence and would leave clients with an impression that this guy looks out for others first. To a lesser extent, the Subie and Benz also lie on that continuum.
C&D long term Acccord Sport 6MT test – http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sport-sedan-long-term-test-wrap-up-review
I read that Accord long-term test, it was good. And the cars look good too once again, better than the last generation, thanks!
The V70R’s are very thin on the ground in good shape, I’ve always kept an eye out for them off and on. You are right about the perception thing, it is definitely a consideration (well, until I find that perfect creampuff and notice something on fire in my pocket!). But XC70’s are around, and with the turbo are quite compelling.
The answer is Hemi, 300 AWD. That will be a car you’ll talk about years from now when people ask you what you’ve owned over the years.
And I can sell it to you when I tire of it, you’re not that far away from me! I know you love yourself some RWD big engine ‘Murican Iron – for very good reason.
if it weren’t for wanting to have more kids than it would accommodate…
I like the Chrysler 300 as well. Another car you may want to consider is the Toyota Avalon, although you may find it a little “old guy”. Good car, though. I also like the Honda Accord, which I think looks great in the dark red pictured above.
Choice #1 = Subaru Outback
Choice #2 = Accord + set of wheels & snow tires
Either one would serve you well for the total ownership experience. An Accord with snow tires such as Blizzaks works very well in inclimate weather
Thank you, lots of people seem to like the Accord with snows, interesting.
PS – You have a fantastic screen name for this site, BTW!
I have michelin x-ice xi3 on my fiesta st. I live in Michigan’s U.P., We record over 300″ of snow annually and i’ve tried blizzaks. the x-ice seem much more highway /high speed friendly. more quiet and at least the same amount of grip if not more.
TireRack rates the Ice higher than the Blizzaks. I currently have the Ice on the Accord Sport manual and I agree. The Blizzaks wear faster and definitely compromise handling.
You really don’t need AWD w/ high tech snows, plus you can stop and go around corners. Ride height is the only limitation.
That C&D article states in the tech notes that the Accord Sport seems to have more power than Honda publishes. Power is no problem. The lighter 4 also makes for better handling.
I grew up in a Volvo family and my two best childhood friend’s parents had a fun tail and a 356 respectively. W currently own a VW and two Toyotas, and I recently sold my Forester XT manual transmission after 10 years. So, with that context, I recommend the Chrysler 300. You have a Porsche and an SUV. Get an American sedan, with AWD and V8. You’ll be happy. I’ve only driven a 2wd V6 but it was very pleasant.
I think if you have Hemi love, get the Chrysler. Love those engines.
I’d surely be looking at that Chrysler 300….
But otoh our (ugly 2009) V6 Accord does fine in the winter on Ice-x tires. Even on those rare occasions when we have snow!
First choice: The LS hands down. Never breaks. Holds value. Isolation from the road. Safety.
Second choice: Audi A8 Comfort and safety.
Third choice: Audi A6 Comfort and safety.
Forth choice: Volvo Safety and dependability.
Based on my experience with the cars I have mentioned. I drove a new Avalon last weekend and was very impressed.
Another Subie. Hands down. After seeing that F-150 and how well your car took the hit, I may consider one myself! And I always love the Accord. You can’t go wrong with a Honda product.
Maybe the Subaru folks will see your story and send you a new one. 🙂
You could write me a letter of recommendation since you’re in the industry! Sounds like a plan to me…
Why not a Subaru XV Crosstrek/Hybrid.
Smaller than Outback, same safe car, and it does come in actual colors.
Do you look at IIHS for safety? How bout a Volkswagen Passat TDI? 50+ MPG, and drive fairly smooth.
I have a Ford C-Max SE , and it does alright in the snow with winter tires. You can get a Thule rack, too, if needed. Power is iffy, torque is even worse, but if you’re not a speed demon, its a nice car. I have a big dog, too, and the dog rides comfortably in the back. I average about 46 MPG, and best I’ve gotten on the highway was a nice 53.3 with a tailwind. Worst I’ve gotten was about 39.9 flatfooting at an indicated 80 MPH.
Too small unfortunately. My in-laws have a Forester and there is a mutiny when I try to put the kids in the back of that…
I did see a Passat 3.6 VR6 with 20k miles for $20k at a Lexus dealer today. Loaded up. Will show pics to the wife later. We had a Touareg TDI and liked it, not sure if I want to spend the money for a TDI Passat but they are nice. If they built that jacked up Passat concept with the cladding and the AWD I’d be all over it, especially with diesel power. VW – Come on, just give the people what they want already.
I like the concept of the CMax, but I’m worried about keeping up with traffic in the mountains. I think I hurt the rental minivan driving it over the mountains Saturday, it seems to be less smooth and a lot louder now than it was when I got it…Glad I don’t own it.
A Koenigsegg Agera R. Duh.
As usual, I like all of these – a lot! The only one I’m not crazy about is the RAM… but that’s mostly based on having driven a ~2003 model regularly at an old job. We also had GMT800 pickups and the “bigness” of the Dodge felt stupid in comparison. It seemed like a whole step up to a different size of vehicle from a Silverado with very little (if any) added utility. That could be totally irrelevant now, of course. Not a huge fan of the styling either, but it depends on the trim.
I don’t think the S8 would come off as too fancy. I see plenty of them around and they’re really pretty stealth. To someone who knows what it is, spotting the V10 badge is a “oh, cool” moment; to the rest of the world it’s just another Audi. That would be my first choice… been a huge fan since the first generation. I think the A7 is a real knockout too, but I suppose it might not have the greatest back seat due to the styling.
I was on Chevy’s website pricing a Volt last week, too – just out of curiosity more than anything. The rapidly falling gas prices made me nervous that cars like this might be going away (although I don’t actually think that will happen) and I figured it might be cool to experience one while I’ve got the chance, especially since there’s a decent selection to choose from at the moment. Checking in with Honda revealed that they’re running a special on leftover 2014 Accord Plug-Ins at the moment – $249/month lease, which is a crazy good deal considering the MSRP on the sticker is close to $50k (!) I’m pretty sure Honda’s going to stop building them soon, so they might be willing to work out something similar through financing. The Fusion Energi wasn’t much more, either. Those are a big hit in the city here and pretty schnazzy in the higher trims. Even more appealing to me was the 1.6l EcoBoost/6-speed manual – because that’s a type of car that’s definitely going away soon (sedans with manual transmissions). It took me awhile to warm up to it, but I’ve fallen hard for the catfish face styling. Unfortunately, the rear seat is the same as the MKZ, so that’s almost definitely a no-go for you.
Love the Jag X-Type wagon, but even with your good experiences, I’d still be scared. Of course, if you can find them, they’re ridiculously cheap. Speaking of those depreciation monsters, have used examples of the current XJ model checked in under $30k yet? I only really started noticing them in the last year or so and think they look incredible. Pictures don’t do it justice at all, which seems to happen often with newer cars.
How about the Volvo S80? I thought the earlier ones were amongst the best looking cars of their time, although that might be a little too old (early ’00s). The second generation (or was it just a refresh?) model is probably even a better car, but I don’t find it as attractive. I like the wagons too, and I really wanted an S60R for the longest time, before I chickened out based on a handful of horror stories. If you can find one, the Epsilon Saab 9-5 is, IMO, also a gorgeous car and most of them have the V6 turbo/AWD. That said, are we already at the point where some people might look at you funny for driving a Saab? Is driving one now like driving a Peugeot in the late ’90s? Normally I’d consider that a good thing, but given the line of work you’re in, maybe not.
Sorry to hear about the Subaru, but glad to hear you guys are OK! I didn’t think it was that bad until I saw the picture of the F-150… sheesh. Scary stuff!
C-Max does fine, loaded up with gear and 200 pds worth of dog,and 3 people in it. Only issue is, even with snow tires X-Ice Michelin, its not the *best* in snow.
I would stay away from Volkswagen unless you can get one in warranty, or that you have all the maintenance records of.
Realistically, what is your budget, and do you have MPG requirements?
Just what Jim needs, more advice.
Another candidate fell out of my brain tonight: Toyota Venza. 189″ long, so fits in the garage. 8″ of ground clearance for when mother nature blesses you with a little extra. Middle XLE trim, AWD and V6 will set you back $35K+ Currently offering $2K rebate, *or* 0% apr for up to 60 months.
I tried out a Venza at the auto show a few years ago. If I recall correctly, I found the console a bit big and visibility to the rear quarters not so hot.
Just happen to have the Consumer Reports notes on the Venza handy
-good points: acceleration, powertrain, access, rear seat, cabin storage.
-bad points: lackluster handling, ride, rear visibility
I’ve often wondered about those Venzas. Being LHD only, we don’t get ’em, so I’ve only seen them on the web. But they’re mighty handsome (and this from someone who’s not a fan of modern Toyota styling), hence why I’ve always wondered if there’s substance to back the style. Can you buy one and let me know Jim? 😉
… I’ve always wondered if there’s substance to back the style.
Toyota barely advertises them here. I used to see a snarky ad aimed at we boomer generation geezers, but it’s been gone for years. I looked at the Venza at the auto show a couple times, but just wasn’t feeling it. Got a Ford Taurus-X instead, which was really nice…until the bearing knock, sticking struts, and failing steering rack all kicked in by 40,000 miles.
Go with the Lexus LS, my 2005 LS 430 bought at 35000 miles now at 95000 has not had a single failure except warped front rotors ( my fault,) set cost $250 with pads. EZ install. Timing belt/water pump cost $600 at dealer. Free washes, get LS loaner every time, free inspection with $20 oil changes, I supply Costco Mobil 1. Does eat tires with the sports suspension, though. Potenzas Pole Positions doing better than previous Michelin Pilots at half the price. My 1999 SC 300 has never failed either, did timing belt my self. Videos on YouTube made it simple, sure beats Haynes.
My cousin’s 2011 Audi A8 has been in the shop over a dozen times. Has 40k miles.
I have had three Subarus and will buy a fourth when we get back to America next year. I’d go with another Outback, especially given its performance in your accident. I’m kind of a fan at this point. But the other thing that I saw when I read through the comments was the Cadillac SRX idea. Still, go with the Outback, or if you need a change, the Accord with a set of snow tires in the garage, but I wouldn’t think that the 300 is a bad choice, either. A Charger in a suit, what a great idea. Skip the European cars.
Buy my 2013 Buick Regal GS. 6000 Miles on the odometer, 1 owner, fully loaded and I accept the sad depreciation curve.
25k and its yours.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?ownerId=69547775&searchRadius=0&listingId=388004349
Pick whatever of these cars suits you best. Guess if it were up to me I’d probably decide on the new Lexus LS460, but then that may be a little biased as I just bought an ’02 Lexus and really like how they ride and handle. Got to admit, though, I didn’t mind the red wood tones on the interior.
A replacement Outback seems like it would make the most sense, so I’d personally go for that. Otherwise, it’s tough to go wrong with a Honda or Toyota product, so my next vote would be for the LS, then the Accord. Beyond those “safe” choices, I do like the looks of the 300, but I just don’t know yet how reliable the newer (2011-up) Chrysler products are.
So I am wondering if you are getting closer to deciding on a replacement?
Well in my case my bias is revealed, as I did get a 2014 300C, loaded with all the goodies. Loving that beast to this day. That Subaru of yours took quite a punch in the kisser, glad you came out of it in one piece. You have quite an eclectic taste in vehicles, from Volvo to Honda and Audi, so I’m eagerly anticipating finding out your next COAL subject.
I came late to this thread, but very glad to know you made it through the accident all right. Kudos to Subaru for their crash protection. As for your replacement possibilities, the V10 S8 is appealing just for sheer Wow value, though all your choices are good ones.
It’s a little tight, but the Kia Niro hybrid CUV has gotten good reviews with the mid-level trim being the best value.
If you’re going to spend the money for a top-trim RAV4 XLE, might as well go for the hybrid. With the same equipment, the RAV4 hybrid works out to only being around $800 more than the non-hybrid version. That’s a bargain.
Those would be my top choices.