It takes a special kind of person to own a pre-1945 car. The sort of man who isn’t afraid to get its hands dirty because no mechanic will even try to touch your car. Enormous, mechanically complex engines for which no spares exist and that are woefully inefficient by modern standards. To own one, you either have to be the car whisperer or have a particularly insane mechanic at your side. Is all that worth it? If so, which one would you pick?
I’ve nothing but respect for the people valiant enough to actually keep that sort of car on the road. Thanks to the magic of online auctions and 3D printers, it’s now easier to keep 70+ year-old cars alive and kicking. But it is still equal parts simple and complex. Simple, because of the straightforward nature of the engines and the electronics in comparison to modern cars: no variable valve timing and miles upon miles of wiring here. However, when something goes wrong and the fix involves replacing parts, the simple things can become complex (or at least expensive) rather quickly.
Personally, there are a few vehicles from that era that pique my interest. The amazing and innovative Cord 812 sedan would be a delight to own. I am now contractually obligated to mention the pre-selector transmission, where you first selected the gear and then pushed the clutch pedal. Doing so made an array of electromagnets and valves made the gearshift by vacuum. Interestingly enough, a modified and reinforced version of this gearbox would go on to be fitted to the Tucker Torpedo.
If I were feeling more traditional it’d have to be either a Cadillac V-16 or a Lincoln Model K. The Cadillac V-16 was a one-year wonder for Cadillac. Launched in the midst of the Great Depression, it shifted 4,076 units before being sent to the history books. The Lincoln Model K lasted way longer (1931-1939), so there’d be more to choose from.
However, the one car from the pre-war I’d buy without a doubt is a 1934 Chrysler Airflow. I just find its streamlined design very pretty. Which is more than what was said about it by the American public at the time of its release. Was this the first love-it-or-hate-it design by an American manufacturer? I’m not sure, but it certainly was polarizing–so much so, that Chrysler had to “traditionalize” it through yearly revisions until the final 1937 model bore more than a passing resemblance to a Ford. The original one, however, was inspired by streamlined trains and looked like nothing else on the market. I absolutely love it for its boldness and its clever engineering, even if they hadn’t quite sorted it out when it hit the showrooms and there was a slim chance the engine would separate from its mounts if you went above 80.
What about you? Do you also think the Airflow was the most desirable car made before the war? Maybe one of the cars I mentioned above, or something else entirely?
James Bond’s Bentley
Or perhaps Chitty Chitty Bang Bang – oddly enough both my choices somehow related to the works of Ian Fleming. 🙂
In 1971 I was dropping off my Saab 95 V4 for service at Splisgardt Motors in St. Louis, who were Saab dealers at the time. I noticed a prewar SS Jaguar and asked the service manager who owned it.
He said, “Some doctor in Ladue [a very affiuent suburb of St. Louis] with more money than brains. If we can fix a Saab, we can fix that old piece of shit!”
But to answer the original question, I’d have a Cord 812.
LOL 🙂
Hmmm… most likely a simple Chevy or Plymouth. 2 doors, of course.
I’ll take that Alfa up there.
A Colchester Lathe and a Bridgeport milling machine.
Oh and a house with a Garage.
That’d work.
An early 30s Alfa 6C 1750 Zagato.
I met an older fellow 25 years ago who had a barn outside of Toronto with a most jaw-dropping and eclectic collection of cars, ranging from an MG Magnette and majestic Hispano H6 through a Lancia Aurelia, Bugatti T35 all the way to a Ferrari 275 GTB and a Renault Turbo (the wonky mid-engine Renault 5), and many others. But his favourite car (and mine) was an Alfa like I mention. He remarked it was the one pre-war car in his collection that was completely capable of mixing it up in modern traffic. It was even reliable, he said. All I know is that it may have been the most beautiful roadster I’ve ever seen.
No idea what happened to his cars since. He’s likely long since passed away.
Wow gorgeous.
I have never seen one for real.
That guy had some sweet collection..also.
Does being built after 1945, too, disqualify this one?
Love those, especially in black. Always makes me think of the end of The Great Escape and the Resistance members assassinating the Germans at the sidewalk cafe with the MG42.
You read my mind brother. TA 11 BL.
Ever seen the film L’arme des Ombres?
JP Melville late-60s film on the French Resistance, Paul Meurisse and Lino Ventura assassinate Simone Signoret from a Traction Avant. With a Sten gun, if I recall correctly.
I can think of many.
For a DD, I’ll take a Model A or early Plymouth.
For fun purposes, any Auburn, Cord, or Duesenberg would be great; any bigger GM or Ford phaeton; any Imperial or Chrysler….oh, you’ve asked a hard question.
I’m with you on that Jason. I read Peter Egan’s “On the Road” and was inspired by the tale of his road trip in a Model A, which remains his favorite car trip of all time. A driver Model A can be had for quite reasonable cost… Hmm..
My other choice would be either a 38 Desoto (my Dad’s first car) or 39 Dodge (Uncle’s first car).
As for the high level classics like Auburns etc I know my limits and do not have the skills, budget or storage space for such things. But a Model A, Hmm…
Model A (any body style) for me, too, please.
I guess I actually own a (unfinished replica) pre-WWII vehicle, my Nieuport 11 fighter. Designed in 1914, saw service in the Great War in 1915-16.
Photo is of the real thing.
Wow, why do we not know more about this, or have I missed something??
Well….the “Beast of Turin” (the 1911 Fiat S76) was on CC before.
This video was published today, and what a Beast it is !
Oh my! One step removed from a locomotive.
That Airflow is a tempting choice. Might have to break it down though.
To be driven in – That Model K would work nicely. A Bugatti Royale would be too ostentatious, after all..
To drive myself – Has to be a Duesenberg, preferably an SJ Dual Cowl Phaeton.
To look at – Delahaye Type 165 Figoni & Falaschi Cabriolet. Automobile as art, perfected.
(Photo borrowed from conceptcarz.com, I’ve never been fortunate enough to see it in person…)
One nit, the Cadillac V-16 was made for most of the 1930s. An OHV version was made from 1930-37 and a flathead version from 1938-40.
Wow – tough question. There is extravagant, like a Duesenberg SJ, a Marmon Sixteen or a Stutz Bearcat. Then there is sane, like a Ford Model A, and early Ford V8, or anything built by Chrysler.
So, the real question is what budget comes with it? If Jay Leno is underwriting it, I will go with the first three. If it is on my dime, one of the last three.
Of the cars featured here the Cord is my favourite.I saw a very attractive Packard golfers coupe at a show a couple of years ago which I thought was a very elegant car.
Beat me to it. My choice would be a 1937 Cord 812 convertible.
Hands down, one of the nicest cars ever designed.
Maybe a slight wildcard like a Tatra or a Traction Avant, otherwise some grizzly roadster special, maybe a Riley or something. An Austin Seven would do, though.
Does this count 😀
As long as you include The Leslie Special
I’ll take them both.
Now- Up, Max! Up! Up! Maaaaaax!
Hey ~ I was there that night too ~ why didn’t you say hello ? .
=8-) .
-Nate
Citroen Traction Avant? Austin 7? Riley Kestrel?
Pretty much any Delahaye, Packard, Lincoln-Zephyr, SS (prewar Jaguar), etc…
Any ’36 – ’42 Buick Esp. If a Roadmaster or
Any ’36 – ’42 Buick Esp. If a Roadmaster or Limited, Any Imperial or Chrysler ’36 – ’39.
I feel ambivalent about pre-war cars. On one hand, they are endlessly fascinating, and in the abstract, who wouldn’t want to own a legend like a Cord or Airflow (or a Thomas Flyer, or an Isotta-Fraschini, of which just the name alone makes you want one….).
On the other hand, all those cars ARE abstract exotica to me. I have zero practical experience with anything pre-war, and therefore don’t have any real basis on which to make a concrete choice of a specific vehicle to actually own, drive and maintain. As if any of them were even remotely practical or financially possible in my case, anyway 🙂
There is, however, one pre-war car that’s on my short list to own some day, if I was ever really going to. And that’s a late 1930s straight eight Packard. The exact year and model is negotiable, but I just love these cars.
Hmmm…Make mine a 1940 La Salle Series 52 Special Coupe, in black, with nice fat whitewalls. It’s something of a cad’s car, but I’ve always been interested in La Salles. Jules Agramonte gave La Salle that slim grille, which gives the car a unique face.
Tatra 87 comes immediately to mind as does a Lincoln Continental Mark I convertible.
And even though it was a pretty plebian affair, I love the Citroen Traction Avant.
So many choices!!! But at this moment, I’d love to try the Voisin Aerodyne that won Pebble Beach a few years ago.
Voila, le Voisin.
Another good choice. “Born from Aircraft” well before SAAB was doing it!
Never heard of this car before or even the marque.
i think the Citroen 2CV borrowed heavily from this design.
In fact if you had a good body shop..you could probably use a 2Cv as a kit car to make a replica!!!!!
Not saying it would be tasteful or the right thing to do…But you could 😉
Incredible car, incredible style… it’s probably a good 15 years since I first discovered Voisin and the C25 Aerodyne but I still have a hard time convincing myself that it really exists:
Decisions, decisions…….
1941 Cadillac 60 Special – with an automatic.
I always liked the early 60 Special even more than the early Continentals. To me they started the “Cadillac look” Esp. the ’41s
Agreed. My second choice would be a ’42 Olds fastback coupe (“sedanette”) with Hydra-Matic.
Ehhh… ’41 and ’42 ain’t pre war. Or are we talking about different wars?
True, but if we’re dividing all cars into “pre-war” and “post-war” categories with no in-between, as is the common practice, that ’42 Olds would definitely qualify as “pre-war”.
Seriously, I’d have this:
A 1939 Chevrolet 11/2 ton is something that I can do some real work with!
A Marmon-Herrington 4X4 conversion of a late-30s Ford Woody would be awesome.
A Ford V8 with a Trado 6×4 conversion would also be great.
That looks like it should be facing down Rommel and the Afika Korps.
How about the Mercedes 6×6 German staff car??
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/14/article-2293493-18A8F6F0000005DC-526_634x321.jpg
Here you can read more about the Trado conversion kit:
(Trado = Van der Trappen en Van Doorne)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trado
Before WW2, and before they started to build their own trucks, DAF did a lot of work for the Dutch Army. After the war they developed and built complete trucks, armoured vehicles, trailers and semi-trailers for military use.
If we’re going to go down this route, I’ve always liked the M8 Greyhound. 6X6 Drive, fast on roads and easy to work on mechanicals.
A Cord 810
A `41 Continental
A `40 Packard with air conditioning
A Tatra-any streamliner
The 1941 Caddy with an automatic would be my choice. I LOVE sedans, and am especially of the utilitarian nature of a 4-door automobile. No problem with that one!
1937-42 Cadillac Convertible
1940-42 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1939 Lagonda Rapide
Early 30s Riley Lynx
Le Man’s Blower Bentley (I see one of these on the road in Surrey from time to time, probably not exactly a “daily driver”, but not a museum piece either
A convertible Duesenberg, as driven by the Hollywood stars
A 3-wheeler Morgan
A Humber staff car
Edsel’s Lincoln
A workshop and several mechanics!
Lots of good choices out there .
I’ve owned and enjoyed four different ‘A’ Model Fords so that itch was scratched , they still make good daily drivers when properly maintained .
To – day , I’d say a 1937 Chevrolet Business Coupe….
For looks alone , a 1939 La Salle Opera Coupe but I like to drive and the Chevy would do the job very nicely , Huck (rhymes with SUCK) brakes and all .
-Nate
Alfa 6C 2300MM…
I said an Alfa 6C 1750 Zagato further up the page, but I’m wavering…
Mercedes Benz 540K…
Bucciali TAV12
Amazing car… never heard of it until now! It looks like a Bugatti Royale built for gangsters.
A bit of a mythical beast. These were front wheel drivers built in France. When I first heard about them, none were thought to exist but a quick look at wikipedia says that there are three left in the world.
Whoa… New one for me, too – thanks Don, now I’ve got something else to be obsessed with! That body is totally unreal, although I’m not at all surprised to learn (from my 5-minutes of Google research) that we have the great Saoutchik coachworks to thank for it.
and rounding off my garage with a Cadillac V16 Aerodynamic Coupe.
I’d be happy with it’s cheaper sibling – my dad’s first car.
Nice. My dad had a Fiat Topolino as his first (before I met him).
Good choice Pete ;
I love the waterfall grille .
-Nate
40 ford coupe but you could twist my arm and I would be happy with a plymouth or chevy in the same genre. They are not complex or hard to maintain but agree that they are generally inefficient. My 57 chevy sets in my drive due to 13mpg thirst.
An Airflow for myself and maybe a Packard as well. I’d also enjoy a Cord 812 – I saw a nice maroon example at a car show in Toronto several years ago. Finally, how about a Traction Avant – black with a little patina – as a summer driver? Works for me.
Not actually a fan of pre-war cars as they are before my time, by the time I was old enough to pay attention to cars nearly all the pre-war stuff had been taken off the road in favor of something newer. However, if someone is passing them out I would take a Cord 810/812 for sure. More realistically nearly any late thirties/early forties Chrysler Corp vehicle would be acceptable; if nothing else there should be plenty of parts available for these as they made what was essentially the same car through 1949. The final La Salles are beautiful cars and they have Cadillac drivetrains, so again, reasonable parts availability
A sharknose Graham, or maybe a Mack chain-drive truck.
Ah, sharknose, how could I forget? A personal favorite.
A 1941 or 1942 Plymouth Special Deluxe sedan sure would be sweet.
My dad bought this beautiful 1940 DeSoto convertible when he returned from the war. I’ve long fantasized about owning one like it but this is an extremely rare car today.
You remind me that one grandmother drove a blue 41 DeSoto convertible from new until they could replace it after the war. I would like one just for that reason.
When I was a kid, this elderly man who lived around the block from me had an old car sitting up on blocks in his garage. I never saw a car in person that was so old. I can still see the name on it…. Auburn! The man told me it was a 1929 model. It was a roadster. I don’t know much about Auburns, but I guess it mustve been a boat tail.
The car and the man are long gone, but I’d take that Auburn , and a Model T for honorable mention!
Money no object, a Duesenberg SJ (any body style). Money somewhat an object, probably an Airflow.
Any of those late ’30s French art deco coupes. Which one had the riveted flange on the roof that held the two halves together? That was my favorite, but can’t remember the exact model…
Bugatti Atlantic? (Atlantique?) Good choice.
1937 Oldsmobile. Ralphie’s Old Man can’t have been all wrong, and it’d only be a summer car in 2015 anyway.
1939 Ford V8 Deluxe Coupe in shiny black
I’ve got a few, so ……..
Bugatti Atlantic
Any 1930’s Duesenberg Model J
A nice sleek Talbot-Lago
Hispano-Suiza H6C Xenia
I cannot answer the question, because as soon as I think of one car, another pops into my head. This is obviously a trick question.
Any Darrin bodied Hispano-Suiza tourer
Cord 810, no doubt about it.
I was hoping for good pics here, and I’m not disappointed!
Practically, I’ll take a ’36 Dodge, as that was the first branch in my family’s 60-year Mopar family tree. If I’m spending play money, a white Cord sedan and a Duesenberg SSJ, please.
I think it would be easier to list the prewar cars I wouldn’t want.
Realistically, a Model T or A would probably be the easiest/cheapest to keep on the road
I’d love to have a late 20s Packard dual cowl phaeton like the ones I saw as a kid at the Mt Kisco car show, or an Aston Martin Ulster.
I have a Model T and they are easy to work on with great parts availability. They’re really cheap too. Mine is a Depot Hack, but I’d really like a Roadster Pickup. Other choices if I won the lottery would be a Locomobile, pre-1916 Packard, or a Stutz Bearcat.
Duesenberg Model J, from when American cars were the best cars, an age killed by progressive politics.
Brilliant historical observation! The Great Depression had nothing to do with it, right? Never mind; don’t answer.
Not a small number of people believe the Great Depressions was caused, or at least acerbated by, wrong-headed politics. However, that being said, the decadence of the 20s was not going to last forever, stock market crash or not. The decadent cars of the period also were not going to last forever. Henry Ford and mass production of everything can’t coexist in a free market with such excess.
“Henry ford and mass production of everything can’t coexist in a free market with such excess.”
That doesn’t really make sense. The level of inequality in this country today is approaching 1920’s levels…and is there really that much of a difference, cost/excessiveness/exclusivity-wise, between some of the grand luxury cars of the 30’s and something like a Veyron, MP4-12c, or even a Phantom?
The existence of one does not preclude the existence of the other.
The prestige of owning a Duesenberg automobile is greatly diminished when a common man can buy a cheap Ford V8 that will do most everything the Duesenberg will do. When the prestige dies, so does the automobile, because at the price they need to get for one it is no longer worth it without the accompanying prestige.
Fast forward 50 years…when the prestige of owning an exquisitely crafted wood console Curtis Mathes color tv dissipates because anyone can buy a cheap plastic tabletop TV with just as good or nearly as good a picture, the Curtis Mathes TV ceases to exist. The prestige is eliminated and then the brand is eliminated.
and the list goes on…
I’d take an Airflow.
Boy, hard choice. The Cord is cool, as is the Airflow. But how about an early 30s Ford woody with a flathead?
The last of the 12 cylinder Packards…like say a creme colored 39 boat tail speedster…or just a plain black hardtop coupe.
I don’t know. maybe a 41 plymouth coupe
Agree about the Airflow.
make mine a coupe with the straight eight
not a fully restored one either, but one with 1930s paint and trim.
If I could have two, a V12 Packard coupe, in the same condition
both in black of course.
Its not asking too much is it ?
A pre WWII car that I could actually drive, and it would hold together long enough to get somewhere?
There could only be one: 40 Ford DeLuxe convert. Significant power, hydraulic brakes (finally) and one of the neatest sounding engines around. We “Leave it to Beaver” fans loved when Lumpy showed up in his 40 Ford with glasspacks. One of the most wicked sounding cars on TV.
This might be the same car. Better look at the outside and under the hood.
As Paul said above, it’s a trick question, but if someone twisted my arm, I’d have a Steyr Klausen Sport with the supercharged 5L engine and go vintage Bentley chasing…
.. a 33 Ford Model 40, rodded in 40s style…
… a Tatra 87 (but with a tied down suspension to avoid trepidatory moments)…
… a 1940 Chevrolet Woody as an everyday / family car
… and a streamlined Sterling truck (albeit not with the chain drive) fitted with the Hall-Scott 6 cyl. gasoline engine… Just because. I think I’ll stop now, this is getting out of control.
38 or 39 Chev coupe will do me I’d drop in a 214 cube Bedford truck motor for full pressure lubrication a set of headers and call it good.
How about the 300:)
Blower Bentley or Morris 8
Dream car would be a Cord 810 or 812.
Practical alternative would be getting back my 1937 Buick Special. Those were actually very simple cars. If you can work on a 1960 Falcon, you can work on one of those.
I have little experience with many cars from the pre-war era. Most of the ones I’ve been exposed to have been either full-on race cars or hot rods. That said, there are some of those I think I’d like as that kind of car. But I think the question is more about a totally unmodified car, which makes the decision especially difficult.
Having been accustomed to all sorts of wonderful advances in automobiling in the last several decades, to drive one of these old-timers would be a trip back in time.
I think if I were forced to make a choice, it would be heavily influenced by my recent trip to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Museum. I saw this car there, and was really charmed by it.
A 1939 Hupmobile Skylark.
Oh man.. This is a hard one! I love most of the cars from the ’30’s and ’40’s, for their beautiful styling and simple mechanics.. And I’ve come to really admire the convertible sedan body style. If I had to choose, I think my favorite would be a 1939 Plymouth convertible sedan….
…With one of these in tow!
This being a 1937 Covered Wagon travel trailer, of course.
Pretty strange choices for a 19 year old kid, huh?
I love the ’39 Plymouth! First car with square headlights?
And I got a book called “Cars of the ’30s” in second grade that warped me for life – you’re never too young to wander into the past.
I had a 1939 Dodge sedan in the 1970’s….
Good cars .
-Nate
A 1941 Packard Custom Super Eight 180 Sport Brougham by LeBaron, dark blue, no sidemounts and runningboards, with air conditioning……
……or maybe a 1940 Packard Custom Super Eight 180 Convertible Sedan by Darrin, also with air conditioning……
or…….
A Harley WLA.
I would take any Stutz with the DV32 engine. I would prefer a closed model though.
cc listing from 2012 the marmon 16. https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-1931-marmon-sixteen-death-with-dignity/