So many of the discoveries found at Curbside Classics are vehicles with an above average lifespan – or perhaps an above average ability to endure. However, there is a class of vehicle that by its very nature often guarantees a miserable, brutal, and often abbreviated life. It is the life of a fleet vehicle.
Yes, there are the fleets of Hertz, Avis, Penske, and the other rental companies. However, they have fleet management down to a science, along with an ear tuned for resale, and turn their cars and pickups out with an established life cycle. No, the focus here is the cars and pickups who spend the prime of their lives in service to an agency or organization, often many years and well over 150,000 miles.
Among the things I can claim on my resume is having spent 20 months as the fleet manager for the local branch of the organization where I am employed. It was one of those “other duties as assigned”. In actuality I am an engineer, yet I suppose my passion for all things vehicular, combined with my profoundly superb managerial and people skills, got the attention of the powers that be. So mix pieces of ambition and motivation with a little outhouse luck, and, voila, Jackie Boy got to expand his horizons.
Sound easy? Think again, grasshopper.
As a point of reference, the fleet was comprised of around 420 units (the number fluctuated mildly) that consisted of cars, pickups, vans and all the way to motorgraders, loaders, and dump trucks. There was a maintenance schedule for all units that was adhered to.
Some wise sage once opined the best way to learn about a person is to travel with them. I would contend if a person really wants to learn about someone, look at how they treat the ride they didn’t pay for. Alternately, the best way to learn about a vehicle is to see how it performs in fleet service.
A disclaimer about me: I’m normally pretty easy going and mostly polite yet a bit finicky at times. After a few months as a fleet manager, I had the same degree of pleasantness and was as cordial as either of the characters from Grumpy Old Men. Maybe it was the backseat of a pickup full of McDonald’s wrappers or its bed loaded with 20 ounce soda containers full of tobacco juice. Perhaps it was the new and over-zealous supervisor who tied a dead squirrel to the grille of a pickup to determine if an employee was doing a morning walk around. It could have been the person with a vendetta who threw a dead skunk in the back of a van one Friday afternoon in July. Or maybe it was the twenty-seven dump truck engines that failed within three months.
However, as this isn’t a website intended for psychoanalysis, let’s look at the vehicles themselves. To give a more thorough insight, I am going retroactive to my date of employment in 1996. I have driven a multitude of cars and pickups in my life with the majority of them being fleet vehicles. Plus, being the caraholic that I am, I have always talked to the mechanics as, frankly, they tend to be a lot more entertaining to converse with than a lot of fellow engineers!
Twelve years after the last one was sold, the Dodge Dynasty (or, Die Nasty) still has the reputation of being a tire smoking, fuel sipping, transmission eating machine. These were highly comfortable cars whether in the front or rear. Yet the 4 speed Ultradrive transmission was an absolute weak link in an otherwise stout drive train. Having driven dozens of these creatures, I was lucky enough to only have problems with one, when its transmission slipped consistently for a 250 mile round trip (I still remember it was a baby blue ’92 with the Mitsubishi built 3.0 liter V6, not the Chrysler built 3.3 liter). Yet when the tranny decided to retire, it did so quite suddenly and without doubt. There were instances when the transmission would go so far south the car would roll even in park. It was not uncommon for a Dynasty to go through three to four transmissions in its service life.
Trim staying put where Mopar intended was spotty at times. I knew one gentleman who kept a box in the backseat. When something fell off, he would put it in the box.
I came about toward the end of the GM A-Body quartet (Celebrity, Ciera, Century, and the elusive 6000). These machines did their duty with very little protest. While the backseat was an absolute penalty box for anyone taller than 4’9″, several went for well over 200,000 miles with nothing more than preventative maintenance. These were one of the few passenger cars that could be passed around relentlessly among drivers without suffering form prematurely aging. That alone speaks volumes.
Ford Tauruses (Taurii?) were purchased nearly every year from 1994 to 2005. That’s a breathtaking feat as so few ever found themselves in fleet duty (yes, that is sarcasm). Equally breathtaking is that one unit would consistently get 27 mpg while its sister would be lucky to break 20 mpg with the same driving conditions; this phenomena was more pronounced with the 2000 and newer models. Transmissions were a weak spot, though of a lesser magnitude than the Dynasty. I was briefly assigned a ’95 model Taurus. While the transmission didn’t fail, it would snap your neck and bark the front wheels with every 1-2 upshift regardless of throttle input. The garage replaced it and within three months it was doing it again; the car was promptly sold. Overall, the ’97 to ’99 models tended to be the best mechanically, although they were often heckled for their appearance by being called “catfish”.
Chevrolet Impalas are currently the fleet car du jour. They love tires. They will devour tires. Mmm, tires! I sent three brand new Impalas, just delivered from the dealer, to the alignment shop. All three were built ridiculously out of alignment on all four wheels. They don’t seem to age very quickly by being in pool applications where countless people drive them. Just have an alignment shop handy and plenty of tires on hand.
Overall comfort is decent, although this doesn’t apply to the rear seat. I’m 5’11” and have trouble cramming myself into, or unknotting myself to exit, the rear seat. The bulk of the cars I managed were Impalas. Other than alignment, they kept going and going. There was one in particular that had a deer run into the side of it and hit a bobcat another time. It was cheap to fix. I drove one a time or two that started to get a few rattles at around 180,000 miles but it looked and ran great. The only significant issue ever was a head gasket blowing on a single ’02 with a 3.4 liter.
Lastly, I will mention the 2004 Dodge Stratus. In a word: awful. If you never encounter one, so much brighter your life will be. I was assigned one brand new. After nine months and 14,000 miles I did some horse-trading and obtained a ’99 Taurus. I almost felt bad for the person who got stuck with the Stratus.
I could go on more about pickups, vans, one-tons, and even dump trucks. Perhaps a different time. From reading various comments here, there are a number of mechanics and fleet managers frequenting here who have their own unique experiences. Their observations could parallel mine or they could be completely different.
To be fair, my brief experience as a fleet manager was rewarding, frustrating, exciting, infuriating, challenging, and mind boggling. To best manage any sizable fleet, one needs to dedicate a lot of time to it as well as have a first-rate staff. I (mostly) had the first-rate staff. I didn’t always have the proper amount of time.
This article is admittedly outside the norm for Curbside Classics and from what I normally offer. However, one of these days you might just find yourself looking at a very low mileage and highly optioned Impala for sale in a parking lot somewhere. Isn’t it good to know what you might expect from it?
My A-body experience couldn’t be much more different from yours. I’ve never been in one with close to 6 figure miles, and I’ve never been in one that wasn’t disintegrating. The newest was a 1996 with less than 40 miles when I picked it up and with some assembly still required. We rented one of the first Celebrities, and it was an object lesson in avoiding GM first model year cars. A neighbor had a 6000STE and it went to pieces within a couple hundred miles of the warranty running out, which impressed him even as he traded it for his first Mercedes-Benz. One of my driver’s ed range cars was an Olds Cutlass Cierra with a broken bench seat mount after a few thousand miles that left the perpetually angry driving instructor swinging wildly forward and back with every change in speed. Another Olds A-body was a high end ‘euro-sedan’ model that a friend of my sister with generous parents bought her brand new when she was 16. It was more car than most of my friends’ parents had at the time, but it didn’t impress once you got within 25 feet of it. It seems like a window into a parallel universe to see that someone has a broad experience of good service from these GM cars.
Mon contrare. I DID have outstanding service with my two “A” bodied Celebrity wagon, although the ’90 was traded for an ’00 Venture van (based on my good experiences with Chevy 60 degree V-6’s). The ’90 had about 90K on it . . . trouble free; the ’88 was the workhorse I bought used with 88K on the clock, and aside from a mass airflow sensor replacement, and a water pump replacement (at around 100K), I did basic maintenance and was used as my wife’s workhorse to finish up at law school in Cleveland. I was a little rusty – but very trusty – would start up with one blip of the key in the coldest weather (both Celbrities were V-6’s, the ’88 the 2.8 and the ’90 the torquier 3.1) . . . ’88 was a strong runner with 144K when we donated the car . . . . “A” bodies being “lemons” were the exception rather than the rule.
I’ve owned two Celebrities, two Centuries, two Cieras, and four or five 6000s in the past…my lowest-mile car was (& remains) a rusted out ’89 2.5L 6000 with 103K on the clock. Every one of these beaters were acquired at impound auctions & were therefore beat to a pulp before I got them…but amazingly they all ran well despite having 200-275K urban miles on them.
Lemons? LOL.
The rural mail carriers love these things which speaks more than my opinion ever could. I feel privileged that our mail comes via a white ’90-’93ish Buick Century most of the time. Some days a different person delivers it in his early 90’s Park Avenue. Both cars have been enduring this torture for quite awhile too, attesting to these vehicles’ durability.
Wow that’s a little crazy. Why so many??? Inquiring minds wanna know…
Hoarding I guess…something I fight to this day. I have loved cars since I was three years old…but had a somewhat dysfunctional living arrangement in my teenage years and was one of the last of my peers to drive and/or own a car…it made me a pretty miserable person.
I eeked through school but made all the wrong decisions so I stayed poor & got accustomed to the lifestyle. However, in ’98, I landed a real good job & suddenly I had this thing called money. I moved from BFE to Birmingham & happened across the City’s biweekly impound auction.
So every two weeks, B’ham sells off abandoned, wrecked, unclaimed, etc vehicles at this auction. Starting bid was $50. I freaked. One could literally go to that sale, buy a car for $50 (no tax added), take the paperwork straight to the DMV, and get a license plate for it. In about three weeks the title would arrive in the mail.
Back in BFE, my friend had several acres so I started buying cars left and right from this sale… Most of the A-bodies were literally $50 specials although I think I paid $100 on a few nicer ones.
I can tell you that $100 and four hours wasted time buys a LOT of cars. I was too immature/stupid to think of maybe….buying my own HOUSE or anything so I’d pick up probably 4-5 cars a month & tow’em to “the field”.
About the time I got laid off, I had over 200 vehicles in this field. About half of them ran at one point or another…all free time was spent screwing around with them. A few got fixed & sold to people needing cheap wheels but that fun ended when AL passed a law that deemed all auction paperwork worthless — no grandfather clause, nothing.
I did not have any automotive training so these things were practice beds & taught me a lot. Everyone I knew asked me why I didn’t just have a few nice cars but it was more fun buying more junk… Getting one of these things running was great for my ego so there was some benefit I guess. I’d throw a license plate on whatever I had running & cruised around the countryside hoping I wouldn’t get caught (dumb).
There’s a lot more to this but you get the gist of it. There’s still 56 of them rotting away in this field today (more than half are Pontiac Fieros) & it still very much a source of stress now, as my friend has “had enough”, justifiablly so.
Wow, 200 cars! You could write a series of articles for CC and I bet they’d be popular reads.
“And for my next GM A body story . . . . ” 🙂
Yep, there’s a couple of carriers out of the Montpelier, VA post office still using A-bodies. Besides the car’s wonderful net worth, I’ve always felt that part of the reason is that they made a really nice station wagon with a bench seat and automatic on the column. It’s a nice combination when you’re working the day out of the passenger seat, stuffing mail boxes.l
Wasn’t my impression. I beat the hell out of a Cutlass Ciera wagon with the 2.8 liter V6 with the 3 speed automatic in the late 90’s when I was a teenage. The interior wasn’t very robust – straight out of the 1970s and plasticy as all hell but I couldn’t kill the engine or the transmission.
I love reading experiences like these. Keep them coming.
Back in the mid 1970s (maybe 74-76), my mother had a job that occasionally required an out of town trip for a large life insurance company. She would pick up a fleet car to bring home the night before the trip. Most of them were 73 Impalas, one of the most boring cars imaginable to me at that age. One time she brought home a 71 Ford Custom 500 (in that awful mint green, no less). She was horrified that she had to drive such an old rattletrap (that was all of 3 or 4 years old). Knowing what I know now, it is no wonder that the company went to Chevys after experiencing 71 Fords.
She got a couple of compacts too. I recall a 75 or so Maverick sedan. I could not believe that the car had no glovebox. The last one I remember was a nearly new blue 76 Volare. The company sure spread its business around. I can only imagine the poor fleet manager who had to deal with a batch of Volares. One would have been enough for most people. Even new, I was disappointed in the dull styling and the interior materials that seemed cheap even by Chrysler standards.
Eric VanBuren will shake his head, but the one thing I did with the Volare (Mom left the keys at home when she had to run an errand) was to pump the crap out of the gas pedal to flood it, then listen to that Mopar starter grind away. I loved that sound even then. But the damned slant 6 kept firing and starting, so I had to make several tries. Oh, the poor fleet manager. He probably didn’t see that one coming, although the slant 6 was probably the only part of the car that didn’t give him any trouble. 🙂
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Nice article.
I’d love to hear more about the pickups and heavy duty vehicles!
I’ve had occasion to drive fleet vehicles more than once. I drove a ’04 Ford Ranger (regular cab, long box, auto, 3.0 Vulcan V6) for a year, putting about 40,000 miles on it. I spent a lot of time driving in semi-rural areas of southeast Michigan, as well as a fair amount of time in Detroit and Ann Arbor. I’ll just be honest and say that I beat the hell out of that Ranger. I kept up the standard maintenance, but nothing more. Between Michigan roads and an “I don’t care” driving attitude, that truck took a severe beating.
It had 100k+ when I got it, so it was already well-worn. It took everything I could throw at it, including backroads so rough that the glass in my topper shattered on more than one occasion; many R >> D >> R >> D shifts in rapid succession (getting unstuck); getting cut off at a 4 way stop by a snowmobile and then rolling down a hill backwards in the snow with the driver’s door open (uh, it may have got caught on a snowpile and “sprung”)….on and on.
I hated Rangers when I got it, and I hate Rangers now. But I can sure respect them.
My 1996 Ranger is what led me to the salvation of Impala-land!
Rangers may qualify for “Cockroach of the Road”© status!
©Geozinger
Sorry you hate Rangers . . . I love mine. This will be my next “200K plus” vehicle. There are many Rangers here in the Aloha State that don’t look pretty . . . but soldier on. You see very few being traded at car lots in for private sale. That’s because people keep ’em.
I understand why people love them. My hate had a lot more to do with the job I was doing and the fact that, at 6′ 2″, the regular cab Ranger just didn’t fit me.
I’d happily own an extended cab.
No, no, no, – I love Rangers, in fact I couldn’t get rid of it as nothing ever went wrong with it – just my back could no longer take it. It was a regular cab, SB, XLT 4 cyl. 5 speed, PS, PB, A/C. It was candy-apple red, too. What was not to like? The driver’s seat was butt-sprung though, and that’s what did it.
We bought it in 1998, finally sold it when we bought my Impala in 2004.
Don’t rag on them Rangers, I had a ’92 with the Cologne 4.0L V6 and it was fantastic, got it in ’06 with 189K on the clock, took it to almost 237K before it forced my upper hand and I had to get rid of it this past January (it was dying). 🙂
I drive a lil’ ’03 Mazda P5 now and love it.
I loved the Ranger too and it had the 5spd manual in it tho.
I’ve been driving fleet vehicles for 35 years, and agree with everything you said. Some of the most reliable I’ve ever driven were Cavaliers (who would have guessed?) and early K cars. For the past 3 years whoever buys our vehicles order them in white only. I hate white now.
I agree with the white. Color below 8000 lbs GVW can now be anything except red and black, although there are holdovers who are exclusively white. I had to do a lot of talking to buy two F-150’s and 3 Chevrolet Equniox (Equinii) in colors other than white.
When the F-150’s were delivered, the drivers were delighted to be bringing us something in a color other than white.
I’m lucky; I can take or leave white cars. Fortunate for me, since Mrs Red absolutely loves white. We now have a white Forester in the garage to go along with the ’98 Ranger she bought before we were married. The blue Silverado gives some eye relief.
BTW, worst rental evah has to be a tie between a mid-70s Mercury Bobcat and a 1.6 liter late 70s Datsun that had to have the A/C turned off to make the hills on the Indiana Turnpike. First time I even noticed the dinky hills. Good mileage, but what a penalty box.
The Kia Forte appears to be among the new fleet queens. While capable enough, I wouldn’t own one.
A rental 2004 Impala LS is what led me back to Chevrolet after a complete GM haitus of 27 years! Our most recent rental car was an Impala out of LAX, followed by the requisite Forte in Phoenix. The Impala wins.
For the record, I drive a rental as if it were my own, regardless of make and model.
As my Impala is now getting old, what will I replace it with if I do? I’m not sure at this point.
All fleet queens aren’t bad, just maybe not outstanding.
If you are happy with the Impala, then get another one! A clean, three year old, low miler can be had for like $10,000 in these parts. A good deal for what is really quite a good car.
But then again, one can also get a similar Camry for similar money. The 2.5 litre four is the best four banger I have ever experienced.
A Camry’s interior quality is worlds beyond an Impala, too. And the seats are way better. Excellent car for putting a bunch of miles on down flat Midwestern interstates.
This was a FUN read! I’m still laughing at the Taurus->Catfish connection. I’d enjoy reading about the trucks too. No need to spare the psychoanalysis either. 🙂
Check out this Taurus….
Interesting article!
By 1996, if I recall correctly, only the Buick and Oldsmobile versions of the A-body were still in production, and virtually all of the bugs had been long eliminated from them. Unfortunately, retail buyers who test drove them discovered that they lagged far behind the Accord and Camry in refinement and build quality.
My wife’s cousin had a 2000 Dodge Stratus. She calls it the worst car she has ever owned. It was literally falling apart at 100,000 miles.
Sales of fleet cars is why white ends up in ‘most popular car color’ lists. Should make a list of retail colors sold, to see what’s really ‘popular’.
My Crown Vic is white, and it was – surprise! – originally a fleet car of some kind. However, it only had 33k miles on it at 6 years old when my folks bought it in 2003, so it wasn’t the typical high-mileage setup.
It also is an LX with alloy wheels, dual power seats, and a green interior, but no keyless entry and no CD player on the original radio. Odd choice of options for the year. I think it was owned by a business rather than a state agency or rental fleet.
Great story. Would enjoy reading more about the other types of vehicles in your fleet. Interesting that the GM FWD A’s finally got sorted out to where they were reliable and decent. All the FWD A’s I drove back in the 80’s were between awful and worse than awful. But I’ve seen multiple stories on CC about A’s where the ownership experience was much different.
The Stratus sounds like other stories I’ve heard about them. So does the Impala except for the part about tires. I was thinking ’bout a W-body but don’t need a tire-eater. Of course that sounds mild compared with Die-nasties with bad trannies…and the tranny was a weak spot in many Tauruses, too.
Oddly in my district there are NO W-body Impalas… perhaps it was the bad experience they had with a fleet of 1989 Lumina sedans that soured them? Newest Ws around here were some 1994 Grand Prix that were dumped in the district auction a few months back.
The school district does however have scads of Tauruses from the “catfish” redesign up until the end of production for the midsize version. (Actually there’s even one 1st generation model that pops up occasionally still running around.)
Around here the Taurus has proved hard to kill. The only one I’ve had the pleasure of driving was old number 49 that had about 90,000 miles on it and other than a steering wheel shimmy that I raised a shit about until it was fixed – the car showed little wear for all the abuse it endured. 3.0 Vulcan V6 was great, I got 28mpg in mixed driving (swear on my grandmother!), and the seats were firm and supportive and kept me planted in uh… aggressive maneuvers. The Taurus reminded me (in a good way) of my 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. If you can find a well maintained one I think the old Taurus has reached “great second car” status.
Supposedly, the Tauruses with the fragile transmissions were mainly those equipped with the 3.8 V-6 (the pre-1996 models) or the 3.0 ohc V-6 engine (the “catfish” generation and later versions). The transmission had trouble handling the extra power generated by those engines.
If you bought the “base” engine, you were much less likely to have transmission problems. Unfortunately, you also got a less powerful and refined engine.
But not one that would chew up head gaskets regularly. The 3.0 Duratec will run for a long time.
I’ve heard you comment on head gaskets re: the 3.0 Vulcan in the past. Is this from experience or just something you heard or perhaps you are thinking of the head gasket issues with the early 2.9 V-6 used in Rangers & Bronco II’s ?
I’ve done well over 200,000 miles with 2 different 3.0 Vulcans and they were pretty much bullet proof for me.
Maybe I wasn’t clear. I also understand the 3.0 to be extremely durable. It is the 3.8 that is the problem-child.
Some sources tell me that even the 4.0L Cologne V6, of which is derived from the 2.9 had head gasket issues at least in its first 2 years, meaning from ’90-91. By ’92 that problem apparently was solved as they did the 4.0L to remedy this issue that plagued the 2.9.
I had the 92 version of the 4.0L motor in the Ford Ranger truck and it did fine, bought it at 189K, took it to nearly 237K before jettisoning it as it was dying a slow death with multitude issues by that point. But it remained very reliable, only stranding me twice in nearly 6 years, both were clutch related (the master and then the slave cylinders).
The Vulcan 3.0 V6 engines were good engines & I always thought they were adequate for Taurus duty. I’m amazed how many of the 3.0 cars come across the scales at the recycling yard still running as good as they ever did — the engines outlasted the transmission usually. Too bad. I hate seeing an excellent running engine getting squished in the car crusher.
I’ve seen a few 3.0 Tempos before…I’m sure they were a pain to work on but they probably hauled ass!
A Communications Professor of mine back in undergrad study (1995-1999) had a bright red V6 Tempo (with proud V6 badges) that had to be from the final year of production. He used to drive it like he stole it. That sucker would lay rubber.
Man oh man…The Tempo/Topaz twins – my standard rental during that same period of time when I did an almost-every-two-week business commute in Grand Rapids where my boss was located!
I have had worse rental cars…scratch that – they WERE my worst rental cars EVER.
Only on two occasions did I get something different: once a Lincoln Continental and once an Acclaim. Guess which car I purposely drove around in after-hours? Hint: not the Plymouth!
I would be interested to hear about your experiences with the pickups and vans, and how all the dump truck engines failed.
What kind of engineer are you?
Civil. Although I was accused of being uncivil a few times during this assignment…
Cool write up not many of those cars mentioned get out here though Mitsu trannys have been shit for many years/models and the fish face Taurust are virtually unsaleable here nooneliked em new and used well they are certainly cheap to buy but parts are not supported by Ford just like early Explorers Ford simply washed their hands of them and stock nothing.
We have to trade out our county fleet vehicles at 100K to avoid paying an extra grand a year for maintenance, and the Rangers are trashed by then. With no more Ranger and the horrible reputation of the Dakota and Colorado, I just had to trade in my high mileage but immaculate ’05 F-150 XL for a Toyota Tacoma. Power windows. Cloth seats. A stereo with an auxiliary jack. I don’t quite know if Toyota understands fleet sales or if out Fleet Services department was just too lazy to find fleet-spec trucks.
Trust me, Toyota doesn’t understand fleet sales. They don’t think they need to and they are probably right.
The other side of the coin is – would it cost more to build a special version with crank windows and change the stereo? Seats might be a different matter but the customer can always buy covers.
Great piece and I an really commiserate because I used to manage a taxi fleet. Any car that can hold up with multiple drivers is a good unit for sure.
When I was at Chrysler as a service advisor, we used to get 5 ton trucks FULL of Ultradrive replacements. We did several a day. The later ones were not much better.
The back seat of the Impala has always surprised me because it was so small for a car that is so large. Yes, they eat tires and are very difficult to keep in alignment but they would make a great used car if one did a lot of highway driving on flat Interstates.
As for the A Roach, what can you say about them; they were as tough as nails by 1989, which is why GM couldn’t kill it.
As one of the (now former) fleet managers who frequents this site, may I say great article! I laughed about the grumpy old men part for sure, I completely understand.
I could tell a few stories as well (I might some day, who knows).
A few months ago now my employer decided fleets don’t need managing. I was offered a choice of several other jobs and took one managing the operations department that was traditionally my biggest “customer”. My wife says I look and act 10 years younger, my secretary took down my “meanest SOB in the valley” plaque saying I no longer qualified, and my blood pressure is down 15 points.
Jokes aside, I enjoyed the job but it does have it’s challenges.
The fleet vehicle we used at work the longest was a 1978 Dodge D-100 short wide pickup – 6, torqueflite, manual steering, power brakes. It was subjected to probably the worst usage ever for a vehicle, as we were a 24/365 operation. The truck was used almost exclusively inside the shipyard, with a 20 mph speed limit. The longest distance was about two miles, and for most of its life the motor was never fully cooled down or fully warmed up. The shipyard had more than its share of broken pavement and projecting railroad or crane tracks. “Moby Dodge” managed to survive this usage for well over ten years, and around 120k miles iirc. The main maintenance problem we had was starters, but this was probably largely caused by the truck being started 20 to 40 times a (24-hr) day.
I guess I have to include this account: In 1981, we took a vacation in the Clearwater, Florida area – wifey’s parents lived there.
Our rental car was a Rent-A-Wreck – a glorious 1972 Impala sports sedan! Of course I rolled all windows down and made up excuses to take a drive – it was February!
I thought seriously of buying the thing off the company, as it was in very nice shape, but as wifey wasn’t yet working, I didn’t.
Best. Rental. Ever – so far…
I had to laugh about the Die-Nasty, that’s what I used to call them. Mostly because that’s what I got every time I dealt with repairs to my Turbo Dodge from a less than honest Dodge dealer (now long gone) in Northwest Pennsylvania.
One company I worked for back in the 80’s had a fleet of Celebritys, starting with the carbureted 2.8 V6s (crap) to the EFI Iron Duke equipped ones (great!). I remember talking to the fleet manager about some of this kind of stuff, but he spent the vast majority of his time keeping up with our fleet of Freightliners, the cars were just a PITA item for him. We got new cars every 50K miles or so, regardless of actual condition of car. And we got the el-cheapo Chevy every time. Of course, we were a Tier 1 supplier to GM at that company and they were our single biggest client. We weren’t going to see anything else in the fleet…
But, I haven’t worked for a company in about 15 years that has a company car or fleet vehicles, so that’s the end of my experience with this kind of thing.
I really enjoy these looks into various eddies and backwaters of the car business. Maybe someone could do a piece on the wacky range of machines that scuttle about large airports, that would be awesome.
We’ve got a small and almost brand-new fleet of four 2012 Taurii and 2 2012 F-150 extended cab long-beds. Fords because thats what the parent company insists we buy. I’m not much sold on these things. The Tauruses are huge outside, tiny inside to a degree that I would have have never guessed for this day and age, and the suspensions seem likely to wear out fairly quickly, especially the way our employees hammer them. The company insists that we reverse park everywhere, but you can;’t see a goddam thing out the back window ’cause the trunk lid is so high. Plenty of power, I will say that. As far as taking care of them goes, In less than 15,000 aggregate miles, drivers have flatted two tires (simultaneously) grazing a curb, at least two fairly large dents have magically appeared without anyone seeming to know how they got there, and I’ve sat amazed in the passenger seat as drivers crashed though potholes without even attempting to avoid them.
The trucks…well, they are real nice trucks but badly equipped for fleet use, IMO. Alloy wheels, for crying out loud, and the Sync system, which no one seems to have any idea how to use, or what for, and which I suspect will quickly stop working after a few tens of thousands of miles on rutted roads out to drilling sites. And the 16 mpg max they get (if you drive it like you’re hypermiling a Prius) means no one wants to take them anywhere. Well, that’ll keep ’em nice, I guess.
I worked at Dulles (IAD) for six years installing the automatic people mover (APM) and was badged to dive on the AOA (aircraft operations area) where I came into daily contact (metaphorically speaking) with the airline-owned trucks of various descriptions. It never ceased to amaze me how much body damage these things had. How in the hell do so much damage to a vehicle when the speed limit is 15 mph? United even had a junkyard where they stored baggage trucks. There were three or four old commissary trucks out there that would never run again.
I’ve only seen a bit of the management side but have driven quite a few, after 30sec thought probably 18 in the last 15 years, there may have been one or two I’ve forgotten as in an old job I would have my Mitsubishi pickup borrowed & given another car for a day to a month which could be anything from a brand new Falcon 1-tonner that was waiting for signwriting to a 7yo Nissan Patrol diesel with 340k miles on it. No idea how it got that many miles up, but apart from a cylinder head rebuild it had only routine service and ran like a train.
That is until it died one day when on a trip with some senior management and clients up in the hills. It was flat-towed to the regional airport behind the MD’s BMW 7er, and put up for sale. The guy who bought it, for a steal, and went in to the fleet manager to complete the sale… “so, where is it parked?” He got a bit of a surprise!
Great article and a lot of interesting replies. For myself, we don’t own a car and we just rent when we need one. I haven’t had a white car in two years…the popular color (or the one I usually end up with) is silver. For a while I endured what I called the Silver Corolla Curse. Every time I asked for a mid-sized car, I would get a silver Corolla. I think the curse finally broke last year after a road trip to Florida from Toronto (where we live). They’re roomy enough for two, and great on gas, but there was not quite enough legroom in the front for a long drive. On the two day drive back home, I could never quite get my left leg into a comfortable position, and once we got home I limped for two days. Since then, I’ve always sprung for the full size, and I’ll get a Ford Fusion or something like that. The Fusion is a favorite, by the way. I’ve driven pretty much everything as a rental…from a Kia Rio (ugh) to a Dodge Ram Quad Cab (nice but a pig on gas). I’ve even had a few Hyundais and Volkswagens. I had a Passat earlier this year with the 2.0 T engine. A blast to drive, and it cornered like it was on rails….but judging by some of the comments on Volkswagens from people here and from people I’ve talked to, I wouldn’t want to be the one who buys it used.
Gaaak. The idea that rental companies consider a Ford Fusion to be a full sized car just slays me. The rental car industry seems to be the worst example of creeping size/class labels. To get anything bigger than a Fusion, you have to upgrade to Humongo/Luxury/Ultra class. Then you get a Camry. Grumble grumble grumble.
The best rental I ever had was when Mrs. JPC and I took our honeymoon. We sprung for a convertible and got a white 1990 Mustang LX with red interior and a V8. I am not sure that I would want one for the long haul, but it was a great rental for a week.
According to Flyer Talk, Hertz has just added the VW Golf to its fleet (presumably the base 2.5) and considers it a full-size car. These don’t have a front armrest or steering wheel radio controls. I wish I were kidding.
For my recent business trip my company pre-paid and reserved me an “intermediate” car. This got me a Cruze, an Accent, and a Versa. The Cruze, maybe, though I’d personally call it a compact. But I’d love to know in what universe an Accent or a Versa are called intermediate. Both are the smallest cars available from their respective manufacturers!.
May I ask what was so awful about the Dodges? Just curious for more details – I’ve never actually driven that generation of Stratus. I’ve heard bad things about the 2.7 liter engine, although I’ve never heard much about the four cylinders (which I am assuming these were equipped with). Since the car was still new I’m assuming you’re referring more to the driving experience than durability.
Personally I find the earlier ‘cloud cars’ to be a lot better than the Avenger/Sebring that replaced them. Chrysler seemed to cheapen them out over time starting in the early-2000s.
My mistake. Cars like a Fusion or an Impala or Camry are actually classed as “standard sized”. A full-sized car would be a Chrysler 300 or something like that. An SUV or minivan is a lot more.
Great article with interesting perspective. I’ve always had a latent desire to do fleet management (because of being a vehicle nut, not because I am truly qualified to do such work), but your story has given me second thoughts!
When I thought about the job, my mind always just focused on the vehicles themselves, not the people using them and what they might be capable of doing to said vehicles. I guess because I treat even vehicles that I did not pay for in the same manner as those I did, I didn’t think of things like you mentioned. Dead animals, trash, and spit filled bottles all left behind? No thanks!
Great read!
I just got back from a week in Vegas with a V6 Camaro with only 7xxx miles on it. As rental cars go, it wasn’t bad…but wasn’t that great either Impossible to find a comfortable driving position. At least it was Pussy Magnet Yellow though, lol
Worst rental I’ve ever had was a CVT Mitsubishi Colt, and *trying* to hoon that around the north island of New Zealand. Great roads, but suck a wasted opportunity to be stuck in that penalty box.
What was it about your organization that prevented you from trying any Japanese brand cars? Even though you might have paid more for a entry-level Accord, Altima, Camry, Avalon, or Maxima your company might have saved money in the long-run in repairs and increased resale value.