(first posted 6/2/2018) A variety of auto and truck manufacturers were experimenting with gas turbine powerplants in the 1950’s and 60’s. Perhaps best known was Chrysler’s extensive turbine program that produced a series of turbine-powered cars and trucks; most famously the mid-60’s bronze Elwood Engel styled two-door coupes that were provided to selected members of the public for real-world testing. But turbine applications in commercial vehicles were being looked at also – and in this category GM was the leader.
GM TDH 4512
GM Turbo-Cruiser
One of GM’s first turbine concepts was in fact a bus. Built in conjunction with the Firebird I concept car in 1953, a TDH 4512 coach that had been in short term use by Detroit Transit was repurchased by GM and fitted with the company’s first generation turbine engine designated GT 300; nicknamed “Whirlfire.” Choosing a bus as an early experimental platform made sense – all the seats could be removed leaving lots of room for various testing and monitoring equipment, and the operating technicians. GM called this first generation bus the Turbo-Cruiser.
While the GT 300 turbine powerplant produced twice the horsepower of the GM 6-71 diesel then in use, it also had twice the fuel consumption – which along with emissions, were limitations never fully solved that would ultimately spell the end of vehicle turbine programs some twenty-five years later.
GM Bison Chevy Turbo Titan III
Turbo Cruiser II
GM’s turbine program continued to progress through the 1950’s and into the 60’s with the Firebird II and III concept cars, and the GM Bison and Chevy Turbo Titan series trucks. In 1964, they again mated a turbine engine with a bus – naming it the Turbo-Cruiser II. This was a GM TDH 5303 “New Look” coach, re-engined with a GT 309 turbine powerplant, that produced around 280 horsepower and 700 ft lbs of torque – about the same as the 8V-71 diesel then in use, though the turbine engine weighed significantly less. But while improved, the basic limitations still remained – cost to manufacture, fuel consumption, acceleration lag, lack of engine braking, etc.
Keeping at it, in 1968, GM updated the TC II with a new “Toric” toroidal-type continuously variable transmission (CVT) and named this bus the Turbo-Cruiser III. Though GM wasn’t able to solve durability issues, it was an interesting R&D effort – a video animation of a current toroidal variator is at the end of the article.
RTX
RTS 3T
GM tried twice more with a turbine-engined bus – the RTX of 1968 used the GT 309 with completely new, futuristic coachwork, and in 1971, a revised RTX called the RTS 3T was a competitor in the Urban Mass Transportation Administration’s “Transbus” project. Neither bus made it to production and GM moved forward with the conventional diesel-engined RTS II series.
Today, with battery-electric slowly overtaking diesel, CNG, and fuel-cells as the future motive power of public (bus) transportation, it’s interesting to look back on some of these earlier attempts to broaden power train options for transport operators. It also again showcases GM at its peak in the 1960’s – manufacturing, styling, research and development – the General was “at the top of its game.”
I wonder why the Turbo-Cruiser II/III’s full-width “grille” at least wasn’t adopted as a midcycle facelift for the production New Look, as influential as the RTX was on the RTS II it was a full decade before that saw production.
The local bus company still has a few post-GM RTSs, mainly seen on school runs (the core city contracts with them rather than using yellow buses), and they really don’t look like a 50-year-old design, even with their obsolete high floors they’re still not quite fully *retro*-futuristic.
As for turbine tech itself, maybe it’s time for a second look at least in cars? Hybridization would allow for a much smaller turbine engine since the electric drive would take care of the need for enough grunt to get it moving from a dead stop.
Hybridization would allow for a much smaller turbine engine since the electric drive would take care of the need for enough grunt to get it moving from a dead stop.
Jaguar built a concept car, C-X75, that used two Bladon Jets micro gas turbines connecting to the generator that sends the electricity to the batteries and four electric motors. As the article stated, Jaguar admitted that gas turbines weren’t as clean as thought: 150 g/km when the turbines were running.
It is interesting that the turbine, so highly developed in some applications like aorcraft, have proved so completely unsuitable in roadgoing vehicles.
That toroidal variator is fascinating.
In a nutshell, the higher cost and fuel consumption of a turbine makes economic sense in an airplane, where low weight and high power are more important. And airplanes don’t have to meet EPA car emission regulations. 🙂
Also they run more efficiently at higher altitudes, so ground-based transport is always going to be at a disadvantage when using them.
The GMC Astro 95 class 8 cabover truck/semi tractor was intended to offer the GT 309 as an option within a few years of it’s debut in 1969. I believe the truck application used a modified Allison automatic transmission. Despite extensive testing of prototypes and many announcements it was on the way, the idea was dropped in the early 70’s. Fuel consumption and manufacturing expense were the cited reasons. It was close enough to production that AMT sold a 1/25th. scale kit of the Turbine Astro 95 for a few years.
Thanks for yet another great transit article Jim!
Another interesting feature of the gas turbine was the ability to operate on different types of fuel. From an Allpar article on the Chrysler turbine:
“The engine will operate satisfactorily on diesel fuel, kerosene, unleaded gasoline, JP-4 (jet fuel), and mixtures thereof. And, even more interesting, it is possible to change from one of these fuels to another without any changes or adjustments to the engine.”
While it wouldn’t be enough to overcome the high consumption, it would still be a very nice perk, particularly today with the wide availability of diesel and kerosene.
Multi fuel capability was one of several advantages that led the Army to adopt a turbine engine over more common diesel options when the M1 tank was developed.
https://aerospace.honeywell.com/us/en/about-us/blogs/15-surprising-facts-about-honeywell-1500-horsepower-turbine-tank-engine
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a promotional pic for a mass transit bus, on a banked oval before. lol
I remember seeing VIA Rail still running the UAC TurboTrain, between Toronto and Montreal in the early 1980s.
Actually not quite an uncommon thing to behold over here. The pics, not the buses, that is
GM wisely inviting Oscar Goldman, Director of Operations at the OSI, for security at press events.
Arrrgh! How on earth did I miss this great little article the first time around? I have read many articles about experimental turbine use in buses but the “Toridal Type” CVT bus transmission is news to me. The reason I believe turbines of any size never worked out for cars or buses is because they always used them as the power train. The only successful application of turbines I’m aware of was in locomotives and that production was so limited it appeared to be a token gesture. Fast forward a few decades and that brings us to the Wrightspeed company started by one of the original Tesla engineers. A brilliantly simple series hybrid system consisting of a microturbine, electric motor(s), battery and computer controller. The attached article from 2015 answers many of the problems normally associated with turbines like excessive heat, noise, fuel consumption and emissions. The high cost has relegated its application to heavy commercial haulers like refuse trucks and buses for now. The results show tremendous efficiency gains and reduced maintenance. Regardless of country of origin I can’t see any legacy automobile manufacturers adopting the micro turbine even though they require so few parts and large scale production would surely lower the cost substantially.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.edwardtdodge.com/2015/03/10/wrightspeed-hybrid-electric-trucks-are-the-cutting-edge-of-truck-design/&ved=2ahUKEwjC2oLIur2GAxX4LtAFHaKdM4UQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Fn2c6KRdiEk2W3TXRrcjy
Sadly the torotrak.com website is now with a domain parking service so this fascinating technology didn’t find a buyer.