It is January 2009. I have been driving on my own for about a year. At this same time, I am beginning to share the Saturn with my sister, and sharing a car was putting a stain on our relationship. In researching this entry, I thought the date of purchase for this car was later, but I found proof that on January 31, 2009, my newest ride would find its way to our family’s house.
At this point, my dad was itching to do a project other than a Fiero. While he still had his Fieros, he wanted to work on something different. He happened to be on Ebay one afternoon and saw a local dealership was auctioning off a 1998 Pontiac Firebird V6, a 5-speed manual, and no reserve. The listing mentioned the car needed some mechanical work and the photos proved bodywork would also be in order. He asked me what I thought of it. I had always liked those cars and told him that would be a good next project. A deal was struck between us, and we agreed to go 50/50 on purchasing this car. My dad went bidding on Ebay and soon we were the proud owners of a 1998 Firebird.
When we arrived at the dealership, the car was at the very back of the lot; that last row where all the unwanted trade-ins go to be forgotten about. We found our way to the car and what the listing photos did not show, was every horizontal panel on the car was keyed and the finale was a “F*** JAMES” carved into the hood. Opening the driver’s door greeted your nose with a strong cigarette smell and a trashed interior. None of the tires matched, and the front wheel well liners were missing. Underneath, there was not much rust. When my dad started it up, the 3800 sounded rough, but there were no lights on the dash. Going down the road, the rear end made a howl. If memory serves me correctly, I think we paid $2,250 for the car. My dad and I were not turned off by our new purchase.
Once the car was home, we went to work immediately. While the 3800 Series II motor only had around 90,000 miles on it, you could tell it was abused and needed some attention. Within a couple of weeks, the entire drivetrain was pulled from the vehicle. I went to work pulling the entire interior out of the car. I spent a whole weekend shampooing every fabric surface in the car (including the headliner) to get rid of the cigarette smell. My dad and I spent that winter rebuilding the engine and fixing whatever needed to be fixed on the car. By early summer, the refreshed engine and transmission were back in the car, a limited-slip differential was added, four new tires were installed on the beautiful factory chrome wheels, and the freshly cleaned interior was back inside the car. All it needed was a new paint job. The car went to the body shop, where it took a good part of the summer to be completed. Just before the start of my junior year, the “new” Firebird was ready to be driven.
My Firebird was a 1998 V6 coupe. As far as features go, it had power windows, mirrors, and locks, but no keyless entry, a factory Delco CD player, chrome wheels, a power antenna (which was pushed inside the fender when we bought it), ABS (which the Saturn lacked) and the very cool T-top package. This was the feature I came to love the most about this car. If it was sunny and nice out, you best believe the T-tops were off and stowed in the trunk. The car did not have keyless entry, which meant it had the classic GM two-key setup; a key for the door locks and a separate key for the ignition. I cannot confirm this, but I wonder if these were the last GM cars with this setup.
So what was ownership like with the car? As you might tell by the headline of the article, it was a mixed-bag experience. I loved looking at this car. I thought then and still think now these final F-body Pontiacs are beautiful. Simple and elegant. However, I soon learned about 90’s GM quality. When you shut the 6’ long driver’s door, the dew strip would pop up from the lip of the door. Purchasing a new dew strip proved not to solve the issue, nor did new clips that held it to the door. Apparently, this was a common build issue with these cars. Randomly one of the headlights would not want to come up, but if you were lucky, they would take turns not working! Working on the engine sucked. The beautiful body had the motor crammed under the windshield. Doing simple tasks like oil changes proved to be a challenge. I cannot remember why, but after we had the car roadworthy again, we had to change the sparkplugs. Doing so took the good part of a Saturday. Working on the V6 made me not want to think about what the V8 would have been like. While the T-tops were my favorite feature of the car, they soon proved to be leaky. There was a joint where the top of the A-pillar met the top of the windshield and the top of the frameless window glass. When seated in the car, this was right above your left thigh. If it rained, you could expect to have a wet thigh, or a wet butt if the car was parked. I would keep an old towel in the backseat and drape it across my lap in rainy weather. My car was missing the sunshades that went inside the T-tops. If the car was left in the sun, you could expect the seatbelt buckle to be about 500 F. One time I was buckling the seatbelt and got a nice branding of the square seatbelt buckle on my forearm. Parked in the sun would also cause the plastic front fender and door (like the Fiero and Saturn) to expand and not want to open. Parking in a shady spot became a must.
Up to this point, my baseline for driving fun cars was my Fiero and my dad’s 1988 Fiero Formula. The Formula wanted you to rev it and throw it around a corner. One would think the Firebird would be just the same…well they would be wrong. The 3800 motor is a great engine. However, it best belongs in grandma’s Buick LeSabre and not a “sporty” car. The 3800 did not like to rev. It also did not feel as sporty to drive on a twisty road like the Fiero. It often felt like driving a whale. There were no smiles left on your face as you had with the Fiero. I may be harsh on my take, but the Firebird was a step backwards compared to the Fiero.
Life moved on, I drove the car during my junior and senior years of high school. It proved to be reliable and served me well. Winter proved that the RWD layout was not as nice as the FWD Saturn. My parents live at the bottom of a slight hill. Getting from their driveway apron to the top of the hill was sometimes the most challenging part of winter driving. Once my sister passed me in her Saturn as I struggled to climb the hill! Winter driving in this car proved to be difficult enough, that I found myself parking this in winter and driving something else. Speaking of the Saturn, the government classified both cars as coupes with the same amount of interior space. I can say from experience that the Saturn was a much more comfortable and usable space than the Firebird.
In the spring of 2011, I was gearing up to graduate high school. I wanted to study engineering, run cross country, and attend a small college. This made my college selection easy, and in the fall of 2011, I found myself a freshman at Dordt College in the NW corner of Iowa doing all three of these things. The Firebird followed me to school during my freshman year. It soon became relegated to parking lot status that first year. At the end of the year, I loaded the car up and drove back to Iowa City for the summer. Toward the end of the summer, I realized I did not have enough money to make my tuition payment for the following year. What was I going to do? My dad and I talked about it, and it was decided the Firebird would be sold. Was I sad to sell it? Initially, I was, but after thinking about it, I was eager to let someone else deal with the shortcomings of 90’s GM. I left it at home for my dad to sell, and I headed back to school in something borrowed for the upcoming year(s).
Like before, this is where my COAL story gets a little confusing. We will have to wait to hear about what came after the Firebird for another time. During my Firebird ownership, I had two different vehicles that served me during the winter months. Next week’s chapter will be something purchased for parts but proved to be too good to take off the road.
Another good story in from your COALmine! It sounds like you and your dad bought the late 90s (Pontiac) equivalent of Jefferson’s car. Fortunately you guys had better equipment to work with than an “awesome” set of TV repairman tools. 🙂
The quality and fit problems with that Firebird sound pretty dispiriting. But you made the best of it it seems; and heck, what high school male student (at least from my generation 20 years earlier) would not want to have a Firebird? Never having owned one, all I can do is comment on how they look, and I do think it’s an attractive car from some angles (mostly the back…I kind of like the tail light treatment).
Looking forward to hearing about the roadworthy parts car!
Right after we graduated high school in ’95, a classmate bought a black ’96 Camaro with the newly standard 3800 and a 5-speed, and he brought it over to take me for a ride in it. I remember that I was extremely jealous that he had gone straight to work and could afford such a cool car, and that the 3800/5-speed combo seemed like a good choice.
These were everywhere in Michigan for a long time, but today, it’s nice to see a nice one. Like most sporty cars, most of them were treated badly and slowly disappeared. I don’t know that I’d like to own one today (too new), but I liked them when they came out, and the V8 models were a lot faster than the Mustangs I was accustomed to in my family.
It sounds like you and your dad did a great job at bringing back an abused car. It’s too bad the quality wasn’t the best, but that isn’t atypical for these cars. Regardless, I like these 90s F-bodies. For a performance junkie, they were a great buy. For me though, the only way to get one was with a V8. The V6 cars weren’t overly fast and like you said the 3800 wasn’t really much of a performance engine, despite it being the best of the V6s offered on these cars. I drove numerous iterations, albeit mostly Camaros, and the V6 cars were a let down IMO. These cars were a lot of compromise, but having the tire shredding V8 and improved handling to go with it made the compromise worthwhile, but when equipped with a V6 not so much.
I’m fond of these Firebirds, I’ve driven a green 4th gen 1995 model for a few days and I like the way they drive a lot. Comfortable good looking cars perfect for long road trips. The one I borrowed had a 3.4, 5 speed and limited slip, every European spec 4th gen Firebird has limited slip as standard equipment.
I own a black 3th gen 1992 now, the 3.1 v6 decided to retire from powering my car after 30 years by seizing up. After that I put a healthy 3.4 in it, replaced the catalyc converter with a pipe and put a Corvette servo in the 700r4 trans. With a little more power, a great sound and a smooth shifting trans the driving experience changed quite a bit.
Comparing both generations, I do feel like the 4th gen seemed lower quality. Many things in the interior seemed a bit loose and whenever I opened a window the rubber came off and I had to fight to get it back on again. The automatic pop up lights didn’t work well either, there is a light sensor behind the windshield for them but trying to get the lights up when it was dark wasn’t easy. On my 3th gen they’re manually activated, much better!
I will confess that these cars never flicked my light switch, but then I was older and in the middle of child-rearing years when these came out, so one was never a realistic possibility in my life as I lived it. These are not unattractive from most angles, but I always found the front to be somewhat overdone.
It is amazing to me that GM stuck with the T tops for so long. Those things were popular in the 70s and were well known to leak then. It is GM chose to 1) keep using the flawed design and 2) either could not or would not come up with a fix. I remember that A pillar-top-door joint as being problematic on my 67 Ford convertible in the same way. In the winter I stuffed hunks of clay cord (sold for household window insulation) into that joint which kept the breeze and snow out. Mostly.
That a dealer would sell that car online without disclosing the paint damage is pretty slimy.
While I might be twisting the [originally] architectural term Form Follows Function to apply to vehicles, the Saturn (primarily the four door models) were roomier and better all-around drivers because they were built under a loose interpretation of Form Follows Function. This results in a small footprint with good functional room for 4 or 5 people and running gear that is both efficient and a viable ride in bad weather. Engine access was good as was the driving experience.
The Firebird and its ilk are more Function Follows Form; first comes the sleek and sexy (well to some) form of racy and speedy shapes, especially from past icons, and then the designers apply today’s technology and engineering in a way that does not interfere with the beloved form. The sleek shape of the firebird probably dictated the resulting [moved back] physical location of the engine.
Six foot doors! I recall driving a mid-70s Camaro (girl friend’s car) and thinking the driver’s door sank when opened and had to be lifted when closed. When I mention this to the owner she looked at me in a quizzical way and said “I never noticed that”. Maybe I was imagining it based on my perceived expectations; it also drove like every screw and bolt in the car was slightly loose.
If I was asked (and no one has up to now) to cite the perfect car for the Form Follows Function concept, I would say the 1938 Type 1 VW Beetle. Effective, but ugly.
“… Once my sister passed me in her Saturn as I struggled to climb the hill…”
I imagine that was a great moment for her; one that has a special place in her memories.
I’ve never had any problems with my 96 Formula, owned since new. I ordered it with the Trans Am options as I didn’t like the big wing in the back. Other than replacing a tail light socket and one of the headlight motors, Aside from routine maintenance like tires, brakes, oil changes, the car never needed any major work done to it. And, the T-tops have never leaked. Still going strong as a weekend cruiser at 90,000 miles.
I liked the pre-refresh 4th gen f-body better, too (I had a relatively stripped, special-order, roll-up window ’94 Formula that was built the final week of 1994 production). It’s a little sad to read about the issues of the feature car since I think GM did a pretty good job of improving the quality of these over the miserable 3rd gen cars.
The back-and-forth between the Mustang and Camaro/Firebird favored the GM ponycars this time around. The Corvette-derived LT1 350 was quite a runner, and you got a six-speed standard, even though it had the irritating ‘skip-shift’ from 1st to 4th under light throttle. It was easily defeated by an aftermakret plug.
That’s not to say there were some engineering issues. One was the raised passenger floor to accomodate the big catalytic converter. That was directly related to the single-into-dual-outlet, rear transverse muffler. And the design of the LT1 did not have a distributor but a crank-fired magneto located at the front of the engine ‘underneath’ the water pump. If the pump gasket developed a leak, it would make short work of the magneto.
Still, all things considered, the 4th generation f-body was okay and a huge improvement in virtually all areas over the previous generation.
And this was yet another GM performance car that looked ‘better’ without the rear spoiler (the other was the Holden Monaro version of the GTO). You couldn’t get a non-Trans Am Firebird without a rear spoiler since it was molded into the hatch.
But it was still possible to do if you had a Trans Am. The spoiler on those was the raised version that was separately attached to a different-style hatch so it was possible to take the spoiler off and fill in the holes. I’d seen one like that somewhere and it looked quite good, sort of like a latter-day Rockford Files car.
The only Firebird of this generation that I’ve driven was my brother-in-law’s 1995 Formula. Lots of fun to drive, and I enjoyed driving it more than I expected to. He bought it new, and kept it until about two years ago – with about 240,000 mi., it just needed more work than he had time for, but that car provided a few decades of fun.
Again a nicely written story to read while sipping a cup of green tea.
I have no driving experience with this iteration of Firebird/Camaro. I was a passenger in the previous generation and noticed that “function as afterthought of form” right under my feet. The floor had this hump, probably a fold to add strength. It made the seating position rather uncomfortable. But it looked sporty I am sure.
I am thinking they kept the engine where it was and pulled the front edge of the windshield forward, similar to the “Cab Forward ” design of Chrysler. They also rounded out the edges for better aerodynamics thus sprinkling a bit of form follows function on the recipe.
I guess your car was treated rather rough by its previous owner and not only by the person with the key scribbling talent. Since the body wasn’t stiff to begin with it deformed in a manner to form the leaks at the T-tops. The T-tops themselves were probably the stiffest parts of the whole body.
How cool it must be to share a common interest with your dad! Mine was into gardening and I didn’t care one bit for that. And he didn’t care for mechanical things. Non the less, we got along really well.
As I understand it, you now live in an urban or suburban, not rural, setting. So I assume that at some point we’ll see a COAL of yours that doesn’t include the word “gravel,” but this ain’t the one. 🙂
In a comment above I noted that my brother-in-law had a ’95 Firebird Formula. My in-laws live in a rural area, down a series of gravel roads, and winter conditions on those roads are not conducive to driving Firebirds. More than once he skidded off a sharply banked road and had to be pulled out with his parents’ Jeep.
Back in the 80’s when I worked for GM, I recall how so many T top equipped cars had to have a lot of work done to them to make them pass the “water test.” These were just assembled cars that weren’t even shipped from the factory! T Tops used to be installed by an aftermarket supplier, like American Sunroof. GM took them in house and put them on the regular assembly line. I’m sure that the workmanship and quality of the installation were not up to aftermarket standards. When I bought a two year old Cadillac from the dealer, I had them send it out for a moonroof addition and it looked and functioned perfectly during my seven years of ownership.
Six cylinder Pony cars hadn’t come of age back in the 90’s. The GM cars with the 200 hp V6 sounded good on paper, especially with a manual transmission. My experience is with Mustangs and I bought a V6/auto coupe in 2007. The 4.0 engine was powerful w/200 hp and with the five speed auto gave good performance and mileage. The only downside was the single exhaust pipe under the bumper. After 2011 the 3.7 V6 put out 300 hp. and came with a nice set of dual pipes. I test drove a 2015 Mustang with the V/6 and five speed manual and found it a well balanced package, though it doesn’t have the visceral feel of a good V8.
While the V6 in the 4G f-body wasn’t that great, things picked up a bit for 1996 when the Camaro/Firebird got the 3800 over the initial 3400 V6.
The new Mustang for the nineties was worse. I vaguely recall reading that when the heaviest SN95 Mustang convertible was equipped with a typical V6 and automatic drivetrain, the performance wasn’t that far off from the lightest, fastest Dodge Neon. At least a 3800 f-body was better than that.
I bet you’re right. That’s a hell of a through-the-looking-glass thing, eh! More often it’s aftermarket modifications that don’t measure up to OE standards of quality, craftsmanship, durability, function, and so on. But GM weren’t exactly setting much of a high bar on any of those at the time.
1. What’s a dew strip?
2. Every time I see one of these cars, I think of this:
I imagine the dew strip is the piece of vinyl/rubber trim that wipes the dew off the window when you roll it down. New term to me, too.
Oh! “Cat whiskers” informally on the older cars, perhaps because that’s a major brand of replacement ones. Formally I think “Door belt weatherstrips”. And I sure wish they would wipe the dew off my windows in my Accord—they don’t even try!
Great write-up, and it’s also great to read of a firsthand ownership experience. I also like the looks of these cars. Reading about the body flex on hot days makes me wonder why I saw so many of these cars when I lived in Florida.
Also agree that the base model is better looking than the T/A of this generation. Its looks are just enough. No embellishment needed.
My “95 Camaro” was a “6”. Surprised me how solid it ran on the highway.(especially as it was a convertible)
99 V6 going strong… The 90s GM reliability actually satisfies my urge to tinker, and there has been no shortage. Makes it that much more worth it for the head turns.
My first firebird was a 96 V6 for a 17 year old kid it was awesome to drive but lacked the hp from the v8. A few years later I traded in for a used V8 formula 6speed with T tops. While that filled the voids I was looking for life happiness and started a family. Although the car sat for 20 years I managed to drive it but a few times a year. I came close to selling many times especially when my friend came over one day with his gt500 the old bird didn’t have the neck snapping power that mustang did.
That sent me down a rabbit hole of what to do while I could have ran out and bought something new that would have check off all them boxes I decided to rebirth my old bird.
With some help from Hawks Motorsports I gave birth to something pretty awesome that definitely filled my needs and turns a lot of heads and brings up the usual question. How did you get that to fit?