When I sold the 500 Interceptor, I told myself, quite firmly, “No more bikes! They simply cost too much!” Well, spring sprung, and that idea, repeated thousands of times, went out the window. I was finished with buying new bikes, so I went looking. A week or so later I found a Yamaha XJ750RL.
Anyone who read bike mags in the mid 1980s would see the same refrain over and over, “The Europeans get all the good stuff.” Well, Yamaha must have been listening, because they brought the XJ750RL into Canada, and not the USA. The RL was basically a European version of the Seca 750. The RL was in many ways the perfect sport-tour bike; the fairing gave good protection, the seat, bars and pegs were the best I’ve ever experienced, and the shaft drive was excellent. The fit and finish of Yamaha bikes of the era was, in my opinion, the best in the business. Another bonus was that the four cylinder air-cooled engine was very narrow, it being a two-valve design, and the alternator being set behind the cylinders.
I got the bike and, typical for all Japanese bikes of the era, the front forks were way too soft. A set of progressive springs fixed that. A fresh set of Metzler tires were installed and at the same time, a tune-up was in order. This is where the trouble began: the bike never ran right after that. As soon as I got it out of the shop, it started to have an intermittent miss. It always happened at the wrong time, too, like turning left in traffic. I took it back to the shop and they scratched their heads. I played around with it, and it never got better.
That was a real shame, too, because the bike was an excellent tourer. It was easy to ride until the tank was empty, which was often 350 km. Vibration was almost non-existent, and the shaft-drive the best I have ever experienced. However, I didn’t keep it because of that miss and I didn’t have time to sort it out. The RL went in the paper after one season and I sold it for what I paid for it. It had cost me the price of service, fork springs and tires to ride for a year, cheap in my book.
Yamaha only sold about 600 XJ750RL models in Canada, debunking the myth that European bikes would be popular in Canada.
Yamaha Seca 650:
Another season did come and with that I needed a bike to ride. The RL had really disappointed me and I always thought the shop that worked on it had screwed it up and then not fixed it. I loved the Yamaha engine/transmission set-up; it was a really good combination of width, weight and power. The Seca 650 had, in my opinion, great retro styling and the exhaust note was the coolest I have ever heard. I found one with all of 6000 km on the clock for $2000, which was top dollar for a seven year old bike. I figured it was worth it since it needed nothing to get on the road.
I loved the way the Seca looked; the styling was so cool, and like most Yamaha bikes of the era, the fit finish was perfect. All the control relationships were top notch and the bike was very comfortable on long rides. Downsides? Well, the front fork was the typical Japanese bike wet noodle and the rear shocks were nothing to write home about. Although the bike was a really nice daily rider, it just didn’t have enough oooomph for me. Thus, I started to talk myself out of it. Really, I should have kept it, but as all of you reading here know, I can’t stand success. Thus, the Seca 650 was traded off in only two months. For what? You’ll have to tune in next week!
Enjoyable series. Here’s hoping for a two stroke screamer…
Whe I saw the thumbnail on Facebook, I thought this was going to be a story on the FJ600.Same styling and color scheme (in the US anyway), but next generation. I’ve never even heard of this model, but that’s not surprising. There were so many bikes the made it to Canada and Europe but never here, it would be difficult to keep track of them all.
Well, we can see why. So many bike types, especially buff mags, screamed for euro bikes and any time it was tried, it was a disaster. Another totally cool Yamaha bike was the later Vision 650 and the XV920 was as euro as it got but both bikes were total duds at the showroom. Honda’s tres cool CX650E was also a great euro bike but a sales flop.
The vast majority of bikes ridden in North America were then and are now for very occasional riders and these buyers like the ergonomics of cruisers in the showroom. They also like the styling and since the bikes are so rarely ridden anyway, how they actually handle doesn’t matter much. This is especially true because the people who buy such machines aren’t in a hurry anyway.
The Vision was a 550, and it was contemporary with these bikes. 82 and 83 model year in the US.
And unfortunately, the Vision was one of the few Japanese bikes of the era that was an underdesigned turkey. I can’t remember the litany of problems it had (primarily engine design shortcuts), but my dealer buddy was always greatful that it came out during a massive downturn in the motorcycle market and he only sold one or two.
Just wanted to say i love the series. I would love to hear about some of the Ducatis from the 80s
I’ve never owned an Italian bike. My thing was always keeping costs as low as I could. Ducati bikes are not conducive to that!
Actually, Ducati’s from the mid-90’s on up are about as decent as anything Japanese when it comes to reliability – as long as the scheduled maintenances are done on time. And that means 6000 miles, not 6130. The bike will know if you’re cheaping out and bit you back very quickly. When I worked for Ducati of Richmond I saw lots of 748’s going thru lots of nasty punishment under their idiot squid owners and still come back for more.
You’re really that in to bizarre masses of problems? Most of your 80’s Cagiva Ducati’s rank right up there with the Maserati BiTurbo as pinnacles of Italian engineering. Fortunately, about the time of the first Pantah-derived 750 Sport and 750 Paso they started getting their act back together.
Nice, and spot on about the fit and finish of Yamaha street bikes in the late 70’s to mid 80’s…my brother had a 78 XS750 triple, and it was a really nice machine. Apparently Toyota taught them a thing or two in return….
I had a Seca 650 back in the 80’s. I loved that bike. I was a motorcycle messenger in Los Angeles back then. I rode that bike 30K miles in 6 months. And I used up about 7 on my 9 lives on that job. I decided to quit before I got killed. I kept the bike for a few more years and then sold it and haven’t ridden a bike since. Except for the day I jumped on a scooter while I was in Turkey. (This was 5 years ago). I crashed that thing twice in 10 minutes. (Because once wasn’t enough). I now have more scars from the scooter crash than from all my years of riding a motorcycle. So now I know to stay far far away from anything with 2 wheels.
Yes it seems the smaller the bike, the more dangerous it is. After 30 years of riding everything from a CB750 to a 305 Dream, without an accident, I get on my sons 80cc scooter and manage to scrape the skin off both hands after locking up both tires on a gravel road and fly over the handle bars after being on it for all of 5 minutes.
The Seca was a copy of the 650 NightHawk, which imho was better looking.
Other than both these bikes having 650 cc engines, I don’t see that many similarities.
The two pipe model shows the simularity more:
Honda:
Chain drive
SOHC
Much higher bars.
Longer wheelbase.
Forward pegs
Alternator hung at end of crankshaft.
Much steeper rake angle
Yamaha:
Shaft drive
DOHC
Low bars
Rear set pegs
Shorter wheelbase
Alternator behind cylinders
Sport bike rake angle
Other than both being four cylinder 650cc bikes, I don’t see a lot of commonality.
They both have:
1. dual disc front brakes
2. non-wire spoked wheels
3. transverse inline 4cl engines
4. steped seats
5. 4-into-2 pipes
6. they look simular
7. skinny front tire, fat rear tire in the then popular “cruiser” style.
when the seca came out one of the popular bike mags had said it was the answer to the Nighthawk which came out the year before so maybe i was influenced by their editorial powers.
The rear tire on the Seca was a 120-90-18, the front tire 90-90-18. Hardly fat. The Honda had the 16″ rear cruiser tire.
The Seca does not have a stepped seat. Have a look at photos above.
The Seca was a classic standard Japanese bike; it was not a cruiser at all.
The stock exhaust on the 650 Nighthawk if 1982 was a 4 into 4.
The wheelbase of the Honda is 3 inches longer.
So, yes, the Honda doesn’t have shaft drive or DOHC but it is the same bike as the Yamaha. The Honda is longer had taller, too.