When I was about 14 or 15 I built a model of an Audi Quattro GT. It was my dream car. At the time Audi was winning all the rallies and setting all the records, and I was in love. Of course I could never afford one, and I still can’t. But one day I got a chance to come as close as a poor man can get.
I was driving my car-less friend Peter around in the miserable little Edlekampfwagon. We were on a busy road, but out of the corner of my eye I spied an Audi with a “For Sale” sign. I had no money at all, but I turned into the parking lot anyways. It must be a reflex that I can’t control. To my complete surprise it was a black 1984 4000 S quatro for only eight hundred dollars. I literally had to pinch myself, could it be real, could it possibly even run for that price? Then I remembered, I had no money.
(No pictures of mine so this gray one will have to do)
I turned slowly toward my friend and began to speak as I was still forming a plan to get the money. Peter…., I said, you need a car don’t you; after all, that’s why I am driving you around isn’t it? “I see where this is going” he said. To make a boring story short, after some talking and some gun swapping as well, I was able to come up with four hundred dollars. So I did something I never do, I prostituted myself I called the owner of the Audi before having all of the money together. I had to at least know if it ran.
The owner turned out to be a nice fellow who told me that it did indeed run, quite well as a matter of fact. I asked him why he was selling it and he said that it had been a parts car for another one. But since nothing had gone wrong with the other one, and he had sold that, so now he was getting rid of the parts car. I told him that I had four hundred dollars and would have the rest in a week when I got paid. Without me even asking he agreed to hold the car for me with no money down!
A week’s time rolled by, I had completed my dealings with Peter and had gotten paid. I called the man and met him with the Audi. It was finally mine!
It had a faded black paint job, a sunroof, locking differentials, a manual transmission, power everything, and bad tires. And it drove like a dream come true. Sure it was not a turbo coupe, but it was close enough for me.
On the drive home I had some twisty country roads to navigate. Of course I pushed the car to the envelope to get a feel for the handling. But the envelope was too big! It stuck to the pavement like chewing gum. I gave it more speed, but still the edge was not even close. Finally I arrived home before I got up the nerve to really see where the limits were. One should keep in mind that I was accustomed to an 1981 automatic Rabbit, so my sense of proportion may have been a bit off. But it really did grip like nothing else.
During the time I owned the Audi I was still working for the security company, but I had now become a supervisor and was commuting regularly. On one occasion I was asked to work out at a distant Forest Service station for several days to guard against a potential ELF arson attack. During that time the Earth Liberation Front and the anti-WTO anarchists provided no end of security-related employment opportunities all over the northwest.
It was a great opportunity to drive my car as fast as I wished through beautiful twisty forest roads. I slept in the wildland fire barracks but I lived in my car for that weekend. And I enjoyed every minute of it. No ELF terrorists came around to set the place on fire so it would have been pretty boring without the Audi.
Now I know what you are thinking, it’s an Audi, surely you must have had some problems with it. And you are correct as usual. Of course the sunroof leaked, but that’s really a given. And the Rube Goldberg vacuum controlled locks worked, some of the time. And the electric windows worked on their own schedule, as well as the differential lock switches. And there was the time that the brake master cylinder just locked up. And the time that the tire went flat just after I crossed the Washington/Oregon bridge in heavy traffic. I am sure I am forgetting some of its many shortcomings. But that is really the point here. I am forgetting them because of its many great qualities, like a first girlfriend, or a mother’s only son.
I began working as an armed bouncer in Portland on the weekends. The club I worked at was in “the hood” as they call it. And the Audi was very popular amongst the gangsters and pimps I was working with and against. But it’s crowning achievement came when I finally discovered the limits of it’s traction. I routinely took the twenty mile per hour S curves on my way to work at eighty miles per hour. But logging roads were much more fun. One day Peter and I were up in the woods shooting targets when I got a call from my wife. She was very pregnant with our second son and called to inform me that she thought she needed to go to the hospital. We were at least fifty miles away, twenty of which were logging trails. So we threw everything in the car and made like a bat out of hell.
I pushed the car to the absolute limit. It scared even me. We were driving narrow winding trails at eighty to ninety miles per hour and exceeding one hundred on the straightaways. When we got back onto the pavement I asked Peter if he was OK. “What do you mean?” He said. I asked him if I had frightened him to which he simply said, “no, I know you can drive like that just fine”. But between us, and now that he has passed away, I was driving way to fast, I and it scared me to see just how fast I could go in that car. We made it back in time to learn that it was false labor, but that was alright; it was plenty of fun getting there.
Now I suppose I should tell you why I ever got rid of such a machine. It was hunting season and I was scouting out a remote area. I went to turn around in the road and all of a sudden I heard a nasty pop! And then crunching and no more connection to the engine, just revving. The front passenger side CV joint had gone out. I could have locked the center differential and made it back essentially in rear wheel drive. But of course because it was an Audi, the center differential lock refused to work just then. So I got ready for a twenty mile or so hike back to town. I got about a half a mile down the road when a pickup came along. It was the only other car I had seen that day. They stopped and offered me a ride in the back which I gladly accepted.
After the Audi got towed all the way back home I was hit with the price of the new half shaft. So I started thinking, what if the transmission went out, or the differential? The prices were astronomical. And then slowly all of the failing of the car that I had been mentally repressing came creeping up on me. The many tow truck rides, the times spent stranded on the side of the road, so I decided to sell it.
I didn’t want to fix the half shaft so I sold it for four hundred dollars to my friend at the VW junk yard. But the vehicle I replaced it with made the Audi look as dependable as Abe Lincoln, but that will have to wait.
What could you buy that would be less reliable than an Audi? A Yugo? a flood recovered MGB? a hooned out Cavalier?
Gosh dang, I needed that laugh! I may be stupid, but I am not ignorant, or is that the other way around, hmm..
Ooh! Ooh! I know! A Citroen (coming from a DS, GS, CX, and SM lover).
You must be young. Jaguar XJ6 was world record holder unreliable. In 1980’s Sunday LA Times auto section, you would see 2/3 of these cars offered had Chevy replacement engines. What the heck does THAT tell you about unreliable? My wife wanted one, I wouldnt touch it.l You’d need to buy 2 or 3 to have back-ups for the one(s) in the shop. Notorious.
Michael Freeman with an Audi Quattro. My world has been shaken. Although the $400 part makes it go down better.
Am I the only one that reads these stories and hears the words in their head spoken by Red Green?
No, no you are not. Sigh….
Wow, wonder’s never cease do they?
Troublesome VW’s, and now a troublesome Audi, one that was probably not in the best shape to start with but the mere fact that you got some adventures out of it says a lot.
So the next story, the car that would be even more troublesome than the Audi, can’t wait for that tale.
A had an Audi Fox and 4000. Both were more reliable than the BMW 2002 I Owned before, but they weren’t worth much when it came time to sell them. Why did I go from a BMW to an Audi? My new wife insisted on a car with four doors.
Loved my 1984 Audi 4000S. It was reliable , beautiful, and spacious. In fact, this model had the largest trunk in its class. I miss it!
BUSTED!!! The underneath shot is of the driver-side rear halfshaft!!
Had an 87 4KCSQ for ~5 years, radiator [$250], brakes [~$100], cooling fan [~$135], weld up clutch pedal [hole for clevis pin wore nearly off the edge].
Rear muffler [$135], exhaust center section rusted away [aftermarket price upon request- somewhere ~$850!!!!!], ended up using flex pipe; it did have a bit more of a rap after that.
Fuel pump made more & more noise for ~3 years. Ended up making enough noise that I gave the car away, figuring that if I sold it that buyer would come back bitching about something.
Car was from Ohio, I couldn’t see enough of a chance of success of dealing with 20-some-year-old under-car fuel parts.
Have known people who couldn’t get dealers to change fuel filter on CIS. Any sad stories about filter/pump/accumulator replacements?
I did tell the people I gave it to that they should specify Audi “4000” & that if a mechanic thought it was a 5000 that he would scream & run away.
Millmech,
I had posted a contradiction, but CC would not let me do a strike through.
Upon looking at the larger image, it is of the rear, just didn’t look to be as such but what I’ve noticed is the lower control arm looks new though.
Front control arm bushings were wasted when I got the car; replacements lasted ~1 year.
The next bushings lasted as long as I owned the car, but I noticed that when I gave it away, that there were several sets of bushings stashed in the trunk.
Never had to replace the rear control arm bushings; parts guy mentioned that he thought that they may be the same as the fronts.
My guess is that whole control arm may have been replaced, instead of replacing the bushings. Sounds expen$ive.
Life with the car was OK; lots of little complaints- seat wasn’t very comfortable; old VW seats were a lot better.
Ashtray was in front of gearshift; when in 5th gear it took a reacharound to put ashes in it.
Shifter wasn’t very good; it felt like the bent coathangers + nylon bushings that it was.
Various things in THE BOOK sounded a bit scary- 4-cylinder engine front pulley bolt torque = 60 lb/ft; 5-cylinder front pulley bolt torque = 280 lb/ft, BUT, that was with factory adapter; REAL torque came out to ~330 lb/ft.
I didn’t replace the timing belt.
The car was made for a 4-cylinder engine; the 5-cylinder engine was just sort-of crammed in. Radiator goes off to the side.
It appeared that the engine/transaxle was bolted up to the front subframe & then body shell was dropped onto it. Getting almost English with that, wot?
There may be a God; I didn’t have to replace the clutch.
I had a Rabbit that the fuel pump worked intermittently on. I took to carrying a broom to with which to hit it. After about three months of that it finally quite for good. I always suspected accumulators of various evils but it was never them.
I know this is old, but if it makes anyone feel any better that pained through owning a 4000, I bought that exact grey 4000S (no Quattro), in 1989. The car was five. years. old. And I had half the problems you listed and others. It would have been nice if I could have afforded even one of the repairs. They sure look cool, but reliability nightmares. Unfortunately it took me over a decade and 5 VWs/audis to realize that owning and maintaining a used car didn’t have to be such a fucking nightmare. God they were cool, and god damn they were shitty cars in regards to reliability.
It’s funny I always wanted a 4000q after lusting after the ur-Quattro. I had a 1980 4000 FWD in college, great car, test drove a couple of Ur-Q’s after college, eventually had an S4 and an S6 Avant (both C4 chassis cars) for amny years and even got to drive a genuine Sport quattro (the short one) in Paris a few years back after sitting in an S1 (like the snowy rally shot above) at MTM outside of Ingolstadt earlier that week. Nowadays I still troll the classifieds looking for good 4kq’s but realize I am probably beyond one, it’s just too hard/impossible to find one that hasn’t been totally beat.
Isaw Michelle mouton low flying the Quattro in the NZ heatway rally unforgettable that car at full noise on gravel but every time I see a Audi 4wd for sale its too scary to contemplate as Michael figured out the purchase price is only the downpayment.
I used to think so as well but there is so much online support. When I got my 93 S4 back in 1999 the 3rd day all of a sudden the car started cutting out at 4000rpm. I was quite concerned bviously and posted an inquiry on the S-car list in the middle of the night. No joke, within half an hour I had a response with pictures as to exactly what the problem was. It turns out that I had to take a cosmetic cover off in the engine compartment and reattach a hose clamp. I can’t imagine what a mechanic would have tried to charge me. From then on I realized that all answers were just an online inquiry away.
I had one that looked almost exactly like the photo. The only difference was that mine didn’t have a sand blasted front bumper of any missing center caps, as it had less than 35,000 miles when I bought it for $4,350 in 1991. It was dealer maintained and had an audiophile stereo. I found the limits one night on the road to Mountain Lake, where they filmed ‘Dirty Dancing.’ The back end went from stuck to unstuck with such violence that I wound up skirting a blind dropoff with the back wheels in the air and the floor scraping along the edge under my seat. Then the front wheels hooked and I was suddenly facing off the cliff instead. Somehow I gathereed it up that night, but eventually I did lose the car to a cliff. In the process I broke the engine block into three pieces, which nobody at the towing yard or the Audi dealer had ever seen before. I also crushed the roof lower than the back seat and had the driver side of the car pushed in further than the centerline of the car. Fortunately, I’d left through the windshield during the initial landing, but it must have been unpleasant inside the car.
Seat belts save lives ; )
I’m of two minds about the seatbelt in this one. I’ve been a regular seatbelt wearer since I started driving a car with a vinyl bench seat and needed the belt to remain behind the wheel on left turns. I would not have survived the accident in the Audi if I’d remained in the driver’s seat, which was squashed between the door panel, the roof, and the passenger side floor. OTOH, I wouldn’t have had the accident if I’d been properly belted in place instead of trying to reach something under the passenger’s seat.
That era’s Audi is more like VW than ever before. Nothing luxurious about its interior, but it looked durable! And it was. My friend used to have a beater Audi 4000 that he bought from a college friend for $100. I used to call it Audi 100, because of the price. The front grille was gone and the headlight was replaced by a big rectangular one. The trunk was secured with a bicycle lock. But the thing was reliable, the only thing that gone wrong with it is a leaking brake line that bled out all the brake fluid. It started every time, we went exploring the twisty mountain roads to Pike’s peak many times, and it was fun to drive. And it never stranded us. It was reliable.
Of course the reason why many went to the clunker is its repair cost. GM cars may be unreliable, but usually it can be fixed for a pittance, so they keep going. Not so the Audi and its ilk. Once something went wrong with them, it’s time for the clunker.
Micheal, you are really and automotive masochist! VW Vans, Interhashwagons, and now, one of the all time worsts, the Audi 4000… You are truly a better man than me.
I love CC and it is a major part of my extremely busy day. In fact, I am planning a jaunt to Oregon in the near future to meet Paul (again), Mike and of course you, Micheal.
There is one thing I do notice here: we are not seeing horror stories about Japanese cars.
You won’t either. I actually have skipped a few because they were too boring! But if you go to one of my early posts yu can find a very durable Carona wagon. My welcome is open to you of course, come on down.
It is definitely on the agenda, I love an excuse to ROAD TRIP!
And yes, Japanese cars are not really that exciting, they just go and go, no drama or fuss.
Lotta Mikes in Portland on this site. I don’t trust them, myself.
You shouldn’t
All European cars suffer from high cost parts German cars are worst of all their wages are too high French parts are nearly as bad though fortunately the one I have has a very common engine so the bits are in the wrecking yards already if not the Chinese are using XUD9 diesels so cheap parts can be imported.
Maybe in Australia but not so much in the USA depending which German car you’re talking about.
Parts for my E46 BMW and the Subaru Outback I used to own run about the same price. An OEM alternator for either is about $200-250 USD from various online sources.
Japanese car horror stories? There are some- Datsun B210 that quit running: turns out that the coil was mounted on the right-hand spring tower, it had rusted away from the shell & flexed enough to pull out the coil wire.
Toyota Corona ~1974- no electrics; first time traced to some relay on driver-side kick panel. After chasing electricity around the car, turned out that the relay needed to be isolated from ground. It came in every 6 months, to ground/unground that relay.
Toyota Land Cruisers- nasty habit of the pilot bushing in the flywheel seizing & welding itself to the trans input shaft + inside of flywheel.
Honda 1200/1500- changing rear shocks involved changing rear suspension, if there was anything to bolt it to. Everything pivoted on ~18″ bolt that had to come out, but rust-welded itself in.
Early Honda Civic- factory recall to replace inner & outer fenders + spring towers; had outer fenders replaced, but nothing done to the inner fenders + spring towers.
Early Mazda 626 recalled for horrible engine defects.
Early Mazda 626 electric shocks- wore out in less than 10,000 miles. Correct replacements were ~$1000/pair for fronts & ~$600/pair for rears.
Datsun B210- valve seats fell out of the head.
Early Subaru- dissolved ~2 years; have seen them with wood crammed into the supports over the front inner fenders.
Mitsubishi Silent Shaft- runs oil pump 4X usual speed; disaster follows.
Mazda Rotary- well-documented apex seal/other disasters.
Chevy Luv [Isuzu]- timing chain turns to schrapnel & destroys engine.
Toyota & Nissan with single-row timing chains- carefully engineered to go 100,000 miles & very few more.
I’ll probably remember a few more-
Much of this information is from my own personal experiences as a consumer, and a parts counter man for Ford, AMC and Toyota dealerships. Additionally, I have a brother in law who spent years as a line mechanic and other acquaintances who are/were involved in the auto sales/repair industries as well.
I’ve tried not to duplicate any other ones already posted. I’ve also stayed away from rust issues, as there has been a demonstrated advance in rust resistance in the last 30 or so years. Unless it’s still happening now, which in some cases it is.
When I worked the parts counter at the Toyota dealership in the 90’s, it was in mid Georgia. You know what our number one part was (besides oil filters)? Mufflers. I had never seen so many exhaust system components go bad in a semi arid area. A large part of that was due to the dealership’s and service manager’s attitude toward customers. But that’s another post for another time…
Mitsubishi Silent Shaft-(otherwise known as Broken Shaft): Replacements only from Japan, and not inexpensive.
Various Mitsu products: electrical issues to rival any VW. Also, many motors could double as mosquito foggers (oil burning issues). I have personally walked away from Chrysler products with Mitsubishi drivetrains in them.
I have also walked away from anything that has Isuzu in it or on it.
Honda VTEC: head gaskets.
Recent Honda Accords: rear brake issues, some older models (also the Oddys), trans issues.
Toyota Tercel: Early 90’s, carburetor issues. Fixed by the introduction of fuel injection, not surprisingly.
Recent Sienna minivans: Known issues with sliding side doors.
Mazdas in the 80’s-90’s some versions of their 4 cylinder motors were pretty bad. Currently, rust and corrosion issues are still prevalent.
Mid 2000’s Nissan Altimas: Recalled for engine files on 4 cylinder models.
Every car company makes some great cars, some not so great and some bad cars.
+1 on Mitsi engines Cyclone good Astron or V6 run like hell
Sounds like you got a lot of fun for $400. My aunt got one of these in 1989 or so. I think it was an ’88. It was their first Audi, and they had it until 1997 or ’98 when they got a leftover 1997 A4. My uncle said that car would not die, and he still sees it driving around town. It probably doesn’t hurt that Iowa City uses sand, not salt, in the winter.
And the Rube Goldberg vacuum controlled locks worked, some of the time.
I forgot all about the puzzles and mazes of vacuum hoses running everything in old Audis.
I loved my brief (2 year) affair with my 5000. I didn’t like the CV joint ($550), aluminum door trigger ($210) or water pump and radiator replacement ($2000+) on a 60k mile car. In 1987 dollars.
I had the CSQ. Maybe a bit fancier inside, heated seats and all.
Handling was never so great. I did have some fun in backroads in Maine. However, that was before I fully learned about snow tires. My biggest problem in the snow was the low clearance – when it snowed, I couldn’t get it out of the parking lot.
Loved that car. It died Lollapulza weekend in a flood. I still dream about it.
Of course it turned out to be false labor, you had Peter in the car! Oh wait, she was already there.
My panicky trip to the hospital was in an 88 Ranger with 2.0l carburated four cylinder, so I could only reach the staggering speed of 100 km/hr. That was in 4th floored, if you put it in 5th it would slow down.
My father got an 84 4000 Quattro new and ran it until 92 or 93 when the fuel injection died. The car had a slightly checkered career having been stolen and recovered once and broken into at least two other times for the stereo or trunk contents. Max (of course it had a name) was a fun drive with decent power, excellent handling and so so winter traction on the standard performance tires. On the other hand the blizzard of 87 was the only time I used the differential locks. As a minor aside it was not power everything, since on the 84 the rear windows had hand cranks, although the front windows were pwer operated, One of the things that always stuck with me was the sound of the Audi pulling into the driveway, first the odd beat of the 5 cylinder engine and then the extremely loud cooling fan drowning out the sound of the engine.
During the time we had it the car was basically reliable, the two biggest issues were the rear fenders rotting out and a sparkplug blowing out of the #5 cylinder (fixed with a helicoil). I remember it fondly, and occasionally wish I could get one again.
I never rode in the back, not sure I even knew the windows were manual! I had forgotten all about the engine/fan sound, thank, I think.
I remember everything you described! Being that I liked the car for image purposes, I really didn’t appreciate the poor plastic they used on the bumpers. I was constantly trying to maintain them with Armor All.
What a wonderful story… it’s too bad that you had to get rid of it. But the memories are what makes it, doesn’t it? Mine isn’t a model of all-around bulletproofness by any stretch but it’s just like you said, with some cars, the fun you have with them sooooooo insanely offsets the maintenance. And that’s how the best relationships are to me, no matter what anyone will say.
For if it doesn’t send your blood boiling, what’s the fun in routine maintenance free (like that even exists anyway) reliability?
😉
Then again, sometimes parts just kill ya. And some girls will too.
Awesome story!!!
Boy, you really made me consider pursuing bad relationships!! LOL
I had an 85 Quattro. I wish I still had it. It made it through many rough Michigan winters. A true winter car. Snow tires, heated seats, AWD and no working AC. In Michigan, you would get a hard time for driving a foreign car. But no one made anything like it. AWD cars at the time just didn’t exist. When I moved to Arizona it was entirely the wrong car. The dashboard materials and seats were better than anything being made at that time. It looked very sharp. I never had any major mechanic problems with the car, but I remember the parts being very expensive.
Loved my 1984 Audi 4000S. It was reliable , beautiful, and spacious. In fact, this model had the largest trunk in its class. Wonderful memories! I miss it!
As an owner of both a 1986 and 1987 Audi, both Coupe GT and 4k Quattro, they are troublesome and need a lot of work.
But when they do work….they are SOOOO much fun. Worth every once of work I put into them.
I wish I had a pic of my 1981 Audi 4000. What a great car! My dad warned me not to buy it back in 1987 because Audi’s were unreliable, parts were expensive, blah, blah, blah. It was built like a tank and to turned out to be one of the most reliable cars I’ve ever owned. It had 385,000 miles on the odometer when I finally gave it away. The guy I gave it to worked in the kitchen of the restaurant where I was a bartender. He had just gotten out of prison. Seemed like a nice guy and needed reliable transportation to get back and forth to work. Ran into him about a year later at a gas station and he couldn’t thank me enough.