(pictures are of a similar but worse condition 504 wagon found by the author and taken with permission of the owner)
I had several cars between the VW Bus and the Peugeot that I’d rather forget than write about, including a Mazda 626 with a rod knock (wife’s purchase) and a Subaru Justy with failure-prone CV shafts. But since having our first child, I was swearing off my bad driving habits, and the VW Scirocco just didn’t fit in anymore. I was working on being a loser self employed “mechanic” while Michelle worked a real job. I found myself with a so-called job at a used car lot as their so-called mechanic. It all ended up with me not working there anymore and being one Peugeot 504 wagon richer/poorer for it (that crazy story can be found in full here). Let’s just say that giving up driving fast wasn’t really hard; with the Peugeot there was no choice. What was hard was just keeping up with traffic. And the expensive parts.
(this is the only picture I have of my Peugeot, there next to my Scout)
Now on to the car. Have you ever had a girlfriend or wife that was great looking, good at cooking, cleaning, and fun to be with, but was horribly flawed in certain characteristics? Oh I have, oh have I ever…. But, moving on, that is the situation with owning a Peugeot. She was really a beautiful machine, clothed in a gold French dress, trimmed in wood, and able to glide as if by magic over the roughest roads. A Peugeot in America is really like a flower amongst the weeds, which is of course why they are best left in France. But alas, such a machine is also a genteel lady not accustomed to our coarse ways.
I rescued her from a dark old shed behind the used car lot. She was a non-running trade in. But it really didn’t take much to get her going; I suspect that no one (wisely perhaps) cared to try. The first thing I noticed was the comfort of the seats and the absolute smoothness of the ride. The long story of Peugeot’s unique multi-spring torque tube rear suspension on their wagons is here. The short story is that it worked wonders in conjunction with the long-travel struts in front.
Ours was a diesel, and it made sure everyone in our neighborhood knew it. It was LOUD. So loud in fact that one could not have a conversation at any engine speed above idle. And highway speeds were difficult and deafening. All that noise to make so little power. In fact it made a diesel Rabbit feel downright sprightly! It’s a good thing it rode so smoothly and was so comfortable, since it took forever to get anywhere.
We took a trip to the coast that summer, and going up the low coastal mountains was painful beyond measure. By the top of each pass our speed was down to 25 mph and the engine temp was hovering in the red. So we would pull over with the VW Buses and wait for her to cool down. All through the summer the cooling system struggled to keep up.
Eventually I consulted one of the only Peugeot shops around. They told me that the diesel engine in the Peugeot was of a wet cylinder design, just like in heavy truck engines. What this meant is that they were prone to cavitation and foaming from the flow of the coolant around the cylinder liners. All of which could be solved by purchasing actual Peugeot brand coolant imported from France and filling the remainder using only distilled water and bleeding the system. Frankly I was surprised they did not tell me to top it up with Perrier! Of course the special coolant came quite dearly, but it did seem to mostly eliminate the overheating.
But being that it was a Peugeot another problem soon revealed itself. As cooler weather set in it became apparent that the glow plugs needed replacing. One call to France and many dollars later that was fixed. But now I found that the battery was not sufficient for the fresh and juice-hungry glow plugs. Being that it was a diesel, the battery was huge and expensive. With more time and money, all of that was straightened out. That is, until the alternator would not keep the big new battery fully charged. Where does one find a shop that will rebuild a Paris-Rohn alternator? Right down the street, so it turned out. But of course parts had to be ordered from France.
In the interim I drove it in the daytime to avoid using the headlights, and used the block heater at night to negate the need for glowing it to start. An old diesel needs only enough voltage to hold open the little fuel cut-off solenoid to keep running since there are no spark plugs, ignition coil, etc.
Once we got that fixed it still needed charging up from a battery charger at least once a week. I never could figure it out, but I think now it just needed a more powerful alternator.
Where the wagon really shone was on the inside. The seats were immensely comfortable and the back was cavernous, the cargo floor being beautiful wood with stainless steel and rubber ribs. If it were not for the horrible ruckus under the hood at speed it would certainly have been the most comfortable car I have ever driven. But we drove it everywhere, on the road and off, albeit slowly. The time we got locked behind a logging road gate we did discover that it was rather uncomfortable for sleeping in. We had our first child with us who was still a baby. Needless to say, that night was less than restful.
Eventually I found a diesel VW Vanagon whose owner wished to trade with me for the Peugeot. I could not resist the temptation of such a rare beast and swapped her straight across. In retrospect, I really wish I hadn’t, but the lure of driving the only vehicle sold in the US that was significantly slower than the Peugeot diesel was somehow irresistible.
Certain things in life can only be be experienced, but I will try to do justice to that long slow tale in writing, another time.
always loved these cars. i drove a 505 diesel sedan once. as i recall, it was idiosyncratic (e.g. turn signal stalk was on the right of the steering wheel). i had a mb 240d w/ stick for years and i’m a big fan of slow and comfortable.
i really like picture number two. i thought, “what are the chances of four such cool vehicles parking next to each other? …the peugeot is sweet but the scout is awesome.” and then i turns out that you owned the scout!
The more I read about these the more I want one. Even though I have no idea why.
Agreed! These Peugeot posts have been marvelous. I did an impromptu CL search last night and saw a 504 diesel wagon in CA but I had to bail as wife needed the PC. What could be more important than a 504 wagon? Oh well…
Resist, JP! I couldn’t resist dumping my Peugeot trail of tears yesterday after the Sable article. Of course it’s a wonderful car. Its responsive brakes probably saved me and my family’s lives. It is such a comfortable car. Its design wears so well on the eye. That’s the allure. But it tortures its owner in so many nagging and expensive ways. The Sable was sweet relief.
Thanks Michael, there’s comfort in fellow suffering. “Horribly flawed in certain characteristics” says it exactly. The choices we make in our lives! At least I could trade in the car.
Had a great diesel Peugeot Wagon but not that old I went for a 406 with 2.1 turbo diesel not slow by any means fast and very comfortable incredible road holding an absolutely beautiful car to drive but……..a brittle engine shame really the cost of repairs sent it to the wreckers parts are a horrendous price and 3 week delivery time isnt a help PSA souped up the otherwise bullet proof 1905cc motor and put a redesigned head on with hydraulic valve train which is the weak point. I went back to a 1905 engine for my new car which are pretty indestructible and plentiful in wrecking yards here France is too far away. FWD Pugs are awesome cars with handling abilities far superior to most other Euro cars but still with the comfort of the older models still intact.
That cargo floor is incredible beautiful.
This post really hit home. I owned a 75 504 diesel sedan, my first car, and had all the same problems with the overheating, glow plugs, battery, alternator, etc, etc. And yet i loved that car. But I was a naive college student with limited funds, knowledge, and time and I suppose it was good fortune that after sitting on the streets of DC too long, the car was towed before it had the chance to drag me under. That was 30 years ago. So now that I’m smarter and more mature, I went out last year and bought another one, a ’74 504 sedan, gas this time (thank god), and it has been GREAT. The car itself has problems now and then but i have more money and time and skills and with the advent of the internet, parts area actually cheaper and easier to find than ever. The car is slow and quirky and my friend who owns a ‘63 Mercury Comet Convertible refuses to even call my “Pewgent” a classic. Not that I care, I own it because it makes me smile every time I see it, not really sure why.
And yes the 504 wagons are beautiful inside. The first one I ever saw up close was last year in a junkyard. I took the wood panel cargo floor with the rubber-cladded metal strips, no particular reason other than they look great. They look just as good on the 404 wagon. I think I may try to put it in the floor of my 504 trunk as homage. Well, first I’ve got carburetor issues to deal with.
I’m driving a ’78 diesel wagon with 350,000 miles on her. She is a bit slow, but I live at 7000 feet, so that is to be expected. When I saw the car for sale, it was a no-brainer for me. It turns out that the engine is the same one that powers my sailboat, so I have a spare for one or the other. I too, love the ride, and the cargo area.
i am a happy owner of a 1980 peugeot 504 diesel(sedan/4speed)in north carolina(the only 504 i have ever seen here is mine&i have been here for 23 years now)any way i have had mine for 19 years&never had any major issues(432 k miles on clock as we speak)in my experience 504 diesels that were made after 1977 with XD2 engine are alot more reliable&lower maintenance than those been made before that year(XD90 ENGINE WAS WET SLEEVE)i have driven mine fromN.C to florida several times&even once it made it all the way to tucson(AZ)without any issues.rides like a rolls royce&believe it or not in past two decades of my ownership i have had less problems than my wife with her 93 toyota camry.so i do not care what everybody think about 504s(here in N.C many times i have seen some ignorant rednecks who are makling fun of my car,not that i care)these cars are just tough,reliable,fuel efficient(40+MPG),comfy,georgeous,classy&etc).
I agree. My 79 504D was the best car I ever had. So comfortable and stone-cold reliable. Drove it all over the US without a single mechanical problem of any kind. If the body hadn’t dissolved in the PA road salt I’d be driving it still.
my german friend had to reinforced the head gasket with copper wires, since the oem parts keeps leaking fluids.
i guess he folded back the gasket and gently wrapped a wire inside so it became thicker and able to withstand more firing power! thereafter he had no issues.
wonder why peugeot engineers wasn’t able to see that.
Pops moved to Hawaii in….1977 (?) and decided he wanted yet another Pug so he bought a brandy new 504 Wagon with Diesel engine .
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Sounds simple right ? . not really : no Diesel Pugs were being sold in California nor Hawaii at that time so he went to Canada where his new Wife was from and bought one in Vancouver (IIRC) then had all manner of rig-a-ma-role to get it across the U.S. Border and drive it to California where it was then shipped to Hawaii…..
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He told me later he really liked the car and it ran well , had no troubles climbing the ” Pali Highway ” but it rusted out the tailgate very three years and they had to come from Canada and be painted before installation etc. .
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Luckily Pops was a terrific Oncologist if a terrible car buyer/owner .
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He also imported the only VW Beetle (1971 Typ 131 Super) with a GAS HEATER to Hawaii .
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Long live Pugs ! I be they’re not too slow when properly adjusted .
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-Nate
Once again your memories seem to not quite jive with well-documented history. Peugeot started selling the diesel versions of the 504 in 1974, and they quickly became much better sellers than the gas engine versions, due to the energy crisis and the new boom in diesels. The diesels (and later turbo diesel) 504s and 505s were sold continuously through 1985.
I lived in CA in 1977, and the diesel Peugeots were the hot sellers. I can’t vouch for Hawaii, but I’d quite surprised that they didn’t sell them there. These were emission-compliant in all 50 states.
Importing in a non-fed car from Canada seems incredibly complicated, and might have been difficult, seems to me, especially since thye were sold in every state since 1974.
I may well have the dates wrong, Pops and I were fairly well estranged by then, I’d been in the wind since the middle 1960’s .
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I do know he was very upset he had to go through all the rigamarole .
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He was quite bitter he couldn’t buy the car easily, maybe I didn’t understand why not correctly .
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-Nate
I bought a 78 504 diesel sedan in 2005. Getting it finally up to snuff right now. The wagon would have been my “dream car” (if there is such a thing that won;t morph to nightmare).
Since you are in OR, we should perhaps swap notes.
Thanks, and enjoy!
Wolfgang
I’d buy a Peugeot Turbo Diesel if it were available. What it lacks in all out acceleration, it makes up for in fuel economy and durability.
OBTW Jim :
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Many Vintage Vehicle Mechanics use the copper wire trick on weepy head gaskets , what you do is : strip off some wires and lay the copper stands ’round on the top of the block and top of the head gasket , you _don’t_ open it because that’d instantly ruin it .
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I prefer the older , 1/2″ wide paint stripe of flat white latex paint around the outer edge of the new head gasket , this work gangbusters on old “T” and “A” Model Fords , they tend to leak oil and or coolant but not compression….
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-Nate
Awesome story. I’ve always found the Peugeot 504 more attractive than the 505
i had a 78 or 79 that I loved- slow and go- somewhere along the line someone had bought or had installed a longe range African fuel tank- it held 40 gallons if I remember correctly, longer range than my bladder could manage- eventually it blew a head gasket and that had to be ordered and I traded it in for a 240d- that was expensive but ran well
Had a ‘79 504 diesel sedan, manual shift. Most comfortable care I ever owned. Well made, rather stately, it was slow off the line but could cruise all day at speed at 50 mpg. Got to like the quirks, the maintenance schedule, it’s hypersensitivity to lug nut torque. Started at 10 below without plug in heater. Unbreakable drivetrain. Only downsides were prone to rust and horrible in the snow. But I loved the car and I miss it.
Hi out there in DIESEL CAR GUY LAND.
Started with MB 190 D, when stationed in Berlin. O
I shipped a old VW Bus to Germany went to Bremerhaven, to pickup the bus, don’t know which wad slower on the Autobon. LOL SOLD the bus, bought new 1973 Peugeot 404, Pickel it up at factory. Had for many years. Back in the states, owned 304, 404 and 504. I just loved those funny comfortable French cars. Of course, I was a deisel in army loved all the deisel trucks / tanks etc. I have owned a lot of deisels, rabbit, toyota Isuzu, and my favorite Lincoln Mark VII with the 2.4 BMW DEISEL. THE GREATEST AND HATED BY US people, wish I still had it. Now I had couple MB deisels for wife, while my trucks have been any thing from the 6.2 and now 6,6 Chevy deisels. I have had good luck with all and have had boats with, Cat, both 5.9 and 8.3 Cummings and a few boats with the Marine standard, Yanmar. I really don’t understand why US auto market still disliked deisels because of the GM BAD .DEISELS of the 70’s.
Find me a old Pequot 504 with those comfortable seats and I would pay a premium..
David
Not sure you’ll get this David, but how about a 1975 504 wagon manual transmission with 51 original miles? Blue in color.
I bought a new 504 diesel on 1978 and loved that car I kept it for 10 years and only problem I ever had wad clutch replacement. I’ve seen where folk complained about power and starting I never experienced those problems and I lived in Illinois and Colorado when I owned the car. My biggest mistake was purchasing a 505 I never really liked the style liked the 504 much better reminded me of a mini 4 door jag. I received numerous complements when I had that car. If I could get a 504 turbo diesel today I would purchase one. My favorite call of all time smith ride comfortable seats.
My ’79 504D suffered from cracked heads and I, unfortunately, traded it away. It is the only car I ever had dreams about… I’ve made up for the routine expense of regular and unanticipated maintenance issues by having a VW diesel and now an old VW Eurovan Camper! THANK YOU for the memories!
As a kid aged 8 to 13, our family car was a 1970 Peugeot 504 Saloon aka Sedan 2 litre with a 4 speed manual. We loved it. It took us on several global adventure. We traveled by ship and the car was loaded wherever we went. We even slept in it in a pinch with pillows. Got stuck in sand, mud but it kept on going. It got about 24 mpg and felt reasonably quick. 0 to 60 mph in about 10 seconds. In 1972 or 1973 the 504 came out with fuel injection and a bigger displacement of 2.2 litres. 0-60 mph in about 9 seconds, yet it felt like a rocket compared to ours. The 504 felt smooth and torquey with a sweet engine note, solid body, good ride and handling. Memorable trumpet horns that scared all. I used to stand on the hump and stick my head out of the sunroof. Yet I can see where we could have benefited from the wagon. Folding seats and an additional foot of length. So roomy. Never a diesel, though. Slow, noisy, smelly. I now drive a 5 series wagon. Some similarities. Peugeot was the sports sedan of the 1970’s. BMW joined the party later. Ours was burgundy with tan interior. We kept a shovel, rope,bag of sand and jumper cables in the trunk.