There have been many, many articles featuring the ’77-’90 B/D bodies on Curbside Classic but here is my COAL: A ’91 Cadillac Brougham. This basic body style, with a fairly major revision in 1980, ran from 1977-1992, outlasting communism and Lady Thatcher.
It was a fresh look, as optimistic as things got in 1977, and a bold and dramatic move away from the ever bulkier and wasteful full-size cars with a new emphasis on quality. The minivan had yet to debut. Honda had just debuted its fledgling Accord and was still largely thought of as a motorcycle company; the Camry didn’t exist; the Chevette had debuted to a lukewarm reception as in 1977 gas had gone back to being relatively cheap; and “import” to most people meant the VW Rabbit.
This Cadillac was the car which meant you had Made It. For at least the first half of this car’s lifespan, a good many Americans, especially older ones, who could afford nicer things, still wanted a Cadillac.
By 1991, America had its confidence back but not in GM. The economy was doing well again after a short recession which left George Bush a one-term president, we had won the Gulf War, and Honda and Toyota had become the top selling car brands in the United States. BMW and Mercedes were contending for top honors in the luxury spot, Honda had debuted its Acura brand to great fanfare, and Toyota and Nissan had started Lexus and Infiniti to varying degrees of success. Japanese cars were no longer curious tin can penalty boxes.
GM’s new bread and butter cars, the W bodies, were an undisputed flop in the marketplace while the Saturn project burned through money. GM’s luxury cars were confused, dowdy, and the prior Cadillac Eldorados and Sevilles had flopped. What was selling were budget ’80’s holdovers like the Cavalier and Cutlass Ciera and Century and trucks. GM came within a hair’s breadth of bankruptcy and had gone from a nearly 50% market share to 24 odd percent and the board fired CEO Robert Stempel.
Like Divine was a man in drag, the D-body was a Caprice in drag. A few inches extra in wheelbase and a few extra inches in the back, a more formal and upright roofline, extra chrome, some cladding, some extra sound deadening, and you have a Cadillac! It was a formula that GM had been successfully exploiting since the late 60s/early 70s. It worked well on this car—due to the degree of restyling, you’d have to squint to see the Caprice bones.
The D-body got its name when the C-body name was adopted by the new front-wheel-drive cars in ’85. Of course, this car was due to be canceled – why the C-body took the Sedan De Ville name that originally came with this car – but due to continued sales, doubts about the sales of the C-body Cadillacs, and amortized costs, GM kept stamping these things out. But this was a car that GM could, and possibly did, stamp out in its sleep. Perhaps someone was asleep and didn’t know that they were still making these things. It was even marketed as a tow vehicle towards the end of its life.
GM could do a big RWD boat better than anyone else. The Panthers that came out a couple of years after the downsized B-bodies never seemed quite as good in styling, space utilization, or build. I drove Town Cars when I was shopping for a new car in ’01 and I really wanted to like them, but they had a plasticky cheap feeling to them, an agricultural note to the engine, and a lot of the little interior bits were falling off on two year old cars. When my Dad was shopping for a new car in 2011, we looked at a new Marquis as a budget option and the visor mirror cover had shattered. On a new car.
I could not stand the overly busy and gothic styling of the ‘80’s models. Too many windows and lines. The Cadillac always seemed more restrained, simpler, better proportioned, and more elegant in comparison. I do not care for the vinyl padding around the rear quarter windows and would prefer the earlier, cleaner styling, but I’ll take the reliability and durability of fuel injection any day.
This particular car was acquired with a salvage title due to a minor rear end collision which bent the rear bumper and destroyed the bumper fillers which – well, they did what they were engineered to do. Despite all the internet complaints about 5 mph bumpers, in many cases, they saved the car from major and expensive damage. Here’s a bit of free legal advice: in certain states, like Georgia, you can request what is called a ‘cosmetic total’ from your insurance company if you have a low value vehicle in a minor accident. What this means is that the insurance company will not pay beyond the value of the vehicle to have it repaired, but the title will not be branded as salvage.
This did not happen, so I had to take it to a salvage vehicle repair shop, get another bumper, fillers, etc. The cruise doesn’t work and I need to have that repaired. In addition to pioneering biodegradable plastics in the fillers, GM managed to invent some sort of UV reactive electroluminescent lamps, so after the opera lamps are exposed to enough UV, they degrade and no longer function, so I would like to have that done. Now with this particular car, it sat for a while so the valve seals are bad and it drinks a good bit of oil, and I’m questioning whether to have new heads or go ahead and drop an LS 6.0 in it.
You really cannot use the letters B and D without S and M so here is at least the S part. GM abused this car severely over its life by putting every one of its absolute worst engines in it. Somewhere out there, there must be a prototype into which they stuck a Vega engine. It started with the 425, which was de-bored to the decent if slightly inadequate 368. Then came the Oldsmobile diesel, and the V8-6-4 (which was actually a fine engine but for the flaky technology and negligible improvement in fuel economy). Also available was a 4.1 liter version of the Buick 3.8 V6, which in normally aspirated form was barely enough to motivate a 1000-pound lighter G-body.
Next was the “Hand-Tighten” 4100 V8, which developed LESS power than Buick’s 3.8 v6, then the Olds 307, which was slow and still carbureted when Ford had put fuel injection on its cars starting in ’81! Finally came the best engines, the Chevy 305 and 350 which were TBI. It’s not fast, but 170 hp in a 4300 lb car is a vast improvement over the 140 hp afforded by the carbureted Olds 307. Due to the horrible engines GM inflicted on these cars over the years, a lot of sales were lost to the Town Car, its only real competitor for the latter part of its life.
It’s not as boaty as perhaps its predecessors and does have some handling, although it suffers from the cheap off-brand tires that are on it – you try finding whitewalls in 2017! Despite the cheap tires you can plant it swiftly and accurately, with a fair amount of roll. It will do like those police cruisers although somewhat reluctantly.
What is it actually like? It’s not quite as roomy inside as one might expect from the seemingly vast exterior, but considerably roomier than the midsize cars just below this, the FWD A cars and RWD G cars. Most of the exterior is front and rear overhang, and most of the front overhang is empty space, designed for larger engines never installed in this car. It’s a little bigger than a housemate’s Avalon inside and has lots of stretch out comfort. The trunk is quite large but a lot of it is taken up by the spare: the formal roofline means that the trunk opening is very large and you can fit a lot in the trunk.
A 4300 lb car seemed vast around the midlife of this car, when midsize fwd cars were around 3000 lbs; in today’s world of 5000+ lb crossovers and minivans, it isn’t as heavy. 1991 was the beginning of the end for colour keyed interiors, and it’s a lovely ocean of blue vinyl and leather and fake wood with chrome accents and real metal parts.
There are lots of courtesy lamps and a general feeling of richness. I don’t know if it has build quality, I’m not sure what that is, although there are a bunch of shims used to make sure the doors fit somewhere close to the body, which I’ll wager you won’t find on any Lexus ever. One of the best things about this car is that the seat cushions in front stretch all the way to the backs of my thighs, which is fantastic for that all day travel. The seats may not look like much, but they are supportive and comfortable. There’s carpet at the bottom of the doors (when did that go away?) The entire car is made out of large hunks of cast iron. The door handles are metal, and not cheap pot metal, the entire door is weighty and substantial. The car has, after 26 years, many rattles and squeaks exacerbated by probably dead shocks, but it feels like it will go forever.
And it will. This particular example has now racked up 35K + miles in the year I have been driving it since the Caravan got T-boned. The previous one, given to a housemate, is now on something approaching 300K and still is going. Curiously, although the Buick Grand National is roughly coeval with this car, being birthed in ’78, this car seems like an even more ancient throwback, a real dinosaur.
The whale-bodied Fleetwood Brougham that succeeded this generation never earned any real acceptance in the marketplace, due to looks, a cheaper and more plasticky interior, CAFE standards, an aging customer base, and a short run; ETCs and XTSs and ATSs despite technical ability do not seem to have the poise and swagger really needed for a Cadillac. This is still a large, ostentatious, well chromed, well proportioned, automobile. Someone once said of a Saturn that it wasn’t a real car as you couldn’t imagine John Wayne driving a Saturn. You can imagine John Wayne, although I prefer to imagine James Mason, driving this car.
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When I read Divine, this is immediately what I thought of…
yass hunny werk
Which engine does it have?
305 TBI
These cars really don’t look right with blackwall tires or composite headlights.
+1!
Like your writing Thanks
My parents had a string of Panther TC’s (and Grand Marquis). The 84 TC and the 84 and 87 GMs felt quality, but were I shopping full size luxury in ’91, this is what I would have driven away with. Nice car!
Recently acquired a 66 Cadillac rescued from storage for 10 years oil seals revived by adding a container of original formula Rislone to oil. Worth trying in my opinion. seals on transmission and power steering pump refreshed by using transX.
Whitewalls are easy to find thanks to Summit Racing and PayPal…with a few clicks you’ll have ’em on your front steps in 3-4 days. Recommended for any owner of a pre-1990s American car!
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I would not say that gasoline prices were cheap in 1977. I would say that by 1977 gas prices were stable compared with the price jump during the embargo. See this chart (link)
Here’s my 1991 Brougham, acquired about 9 months ago. It’s my daily driver, and I love it.
A real beauty. Dark colors really make them more commanding! Daily driver..have you written about it here yet?
No, I haven’t written it up officially, though I have mentioned it occasionally in comments. It might be fun to do a little COAL on it!
You’re absolutely right about the colors… Ever since I was a kid, I wanted one in this exact color scheme.
There can never be too many articles on the 77-92 and enjoyed this one very much. You touched on some new things like the solid door closing sound, body shims, long seat cushions and adequate but not palatial amount of space inside. You’d be surprised how often front seat passengers need to move their seat forward a little in my ’86. I don’t mind the blackwall tires one bit. I’m thinking of going for BSW when my Hankooks wear out. Just not sure whether to go 225/75R15 like I have now or 235/70R15 like the whale body cars had. I’d really like to try some Impala SS 17″ alloys with the 255/55R17 tires but those are hard to find in good shape. I think the amount of extra space under the hood was to make the hood look as long as possible, that was a very 70s thing. Even on my granddad’s ’78 with the 425 there was plenty of extra space. They made the dash short to pull the base of the windshield back and make the hood look even longer. Makes it really easy to work on the engine and aids in cooling.
Love that color. Absolutely beautiful. My father had an 87 or 88 light blue one, didn’t keep it long as he wanted a dark color. I Googled pics of one just now and came across its twin in a CC article. The 86-89 models are my favorite. Coincidentally you wrote the same thing on that article!
Have you written a COAL on it? Would love to see more pics up here!
Thanks man. I’m pretty consistent in saying I feel the 86-89s are the “best” of the 12 year run, 15 if you include 77-79 models. While I’ve never driven a 90-92 with the 5.7L SBC no matter how nice it drives that couldn’t make up for the styling changes which eliminated too many classic Cadillac cues in favor of looking more like a Town Car. Someone said the cladding was added to visually elongate the car which was necessary after they jacked up the ride height. Sounds plausible for sure.
I paid $5,000 for mine 4.5 years ago. 41,000 miles, one elderly owner, in Phoenix the whole time but zero sun damage. It has around 70,000 miles now. Passed CA smog with flying colors a few months ago with the original, never-rebuilt carb and 49-state emissions.
I want to do a COAL on it at some point. Just waiting for a new angle to hit me since these are the most written about cars in Curbside Classic history and, judging by the posts in this thread and others, the most owned. Actually I’d love to give mine to someone else to drive and comment on, ideally versus a contemporary competitor or against the 90-92 5.7L.
Here it is idling in the desert, on a hot day, A/C on 60 and engine cool as could be. Would have blown the head gasket in my Mercedes 190E. Round trip fuel economy from LA to Borrego Springs 20 MPG. I might compare the 190E and Brougham in one COAL since they are about the same age, have similar mileage and cost about the same new.
One of my teachers had a similar-colored late 70s or early 80s but with a brown top, not as nice as yours. I don’t think I remember anyone else having this color (it’s delicious!). To me, the dark blue was about as classy as you could get. 5k is a good deal even today. Or perhaps I’m crazy. Some day I’ll get one of my own….
Is it really the most written about here? Probably because they’re so iconic. Does anything else say “America” like these cars?!
Calibrick, I have read many of your comments about your Caddy but this is the first time I have seen a picture. Although these cars are not my bag, you sure do have one very nice looking car! I always like to see an old car that is being appreciated and well cared for by it’s owner. I agree with you that the styling in these late 80’s Caddy’s was nicer than the 90-92 models that followed.
My father’s powder blue was a 90 or 91. He would have preferred a darker one, but powder blue had the 350.
Kept it for at least 225k miles.
Your 86 looks fantastic. I also dig the 64. I always thought the 63/64 looks just like the 59/60, except more tasteful and refined.
I have to say on the tire topic that IMO, it would be a crime against nature to but blackwalls on your Brougham, especially if you retain the wire wheel covers. Whitewalls and wire hubcaps go together like apple pie and vanilla ice cream. Blackwalls would be like chocolate sauce on the apple pie. Two good flavors, but they don’t belong together.
White walls on anything but a 50s custom are a little like a mustard-yellow leisure suit, orange bell bottoms, or possibly a neon pink sharkskin jacket with avocado lapels and chartreuse velvet trim.
Nice metaphors! I’d agree with you about wide whitewalls. Thin whitewalls like this car came with originally, though, totally fit. Blackwalls with wire wheel hubcaps are like a hairless cat. Just not supposed to look like that! Even if you don’t like cats, it just looks worse.
Whitewalls do not belong on anything made after about 1965. Most vehicles should get blackwall tires. Muscle cars get those, redlines, or RWL (and some shouldn’t get even those), 70s and later trucks and just about any 4×4 get white-letter tires, so do 70s, 80s, and a few later muscle cars.
I ran blackwalls with solid wheelcovers (I detest wire wheelcovers) on my 79 CDV…with a near-total lack of performance (speed rating of H or better) tires for 15″ wheels, I finally, after wearing out my last set of long-discontinued CHP Eagles, swapped to 17″ wheels.
We’ll agree to disagree on that. I think my feeling is the most typical one, which is that any car that was originally equipped with WSW tires looks best with them if one is retaining the original wheels or hubcaps. Custom wheels are a whole other matter. Obviously you should use whatever tires you like and just be prepared to deal with haters like me!
I drive an ’89 Brougham and ’95 Fleetwood both. ’95 handles much better and it’s much more responsive, much better fuel economy and better to drive, but the quality of almost all plastic parts is questionable ( except the much improved bumper fillers ) Fuel economy of ’89 is not very reasonable, and wind noise is much higher than ’95. Both models have big advantages and disadvantages, and they can be used accordingly.
Coming to the roominess of the vehicles, volume and legroom may not reflect it very well in some situations. The width matters and it’s often ignored.
I still have my 1982 Fleetwood Brougham with the 4.1 V-6. I bought it from the original owner who kept meticulous records. The Contessa (as I call her) has 85k and is still going strong. Mileage around town is not that great but 26-29 on the highway is about the norm. The V-6 is no rocket but it does move it quite well and there are no white knuckles merging onto the highway. I take care of her and she takes care of me. There’s nothing like space and comfort in an old Cadillac.
My close friend also had an 82 with the 4.1 liter Buick V6 but it was a Sedan Deville. At first his was rather slow and pulling out into moving traffic took some planning. But after I started checking things over I found a bad choke pull off which not only gave it a vacuum leak but kept the secondaries of the carburetor from opening and made it hard to start! It also had a blocked up factory original bead type catalytic converter that was wheezing and was obviously partially plugged up. We corrected those things and gave her a fresh tune up and the difference was an eye opener to say the least.
While these changes didn’t turn it into a rocket ship the car would break the rear tire loose on step off and seemed to effortlessly pull up to about 50 after which power petered off a bit. Still it was quite good for what basically what was a Buick 231 V6 with larger pistons and a 4BBL carb. It’s the engine I would choose if somebody offered me an 81 or 82 version of these C-bodies.
Re: Whitewalls.
This isn’t a complete list, but what I was able to find when I was shopping for whitewalls for my ’92 Roadmaster last year.
Hankook Optimo 724 (235/75R15)
Toyo Eclipse (225/75R15) –> I bought these
Champiro GT (235/70R15)
I chose between the Hankook’s and Hercules for my ’81. The Hankook’s were about $10 more, but seemed to ride a lot nicer and were more quiet than the Hercules. It only took a couple of days to order in the tires from a central facility
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Nice car. I hear you about getting White Walls! I wanted a set for my Mercedes W108 and the only ones the tyre guys could find were a Korean brand called “Horse”. Mmmmm.
So I thought I would get a set of black Michelans for it, only to find that distribution of that tyre was in the hands of a classic tyre dealer, who had jacked up the price for $110 per tyre to over $600! Apparently that same tyre was original spec for a Ferrari model so they felt the prices could match. I need up with a set of Bridgestones.
I have a love-hate relationship with these cars. On the one hand, they are slow, they lived longer than they had any right to, and getting stuck behind one on a twisty road was like being in purgatory. That said, I love how gloriously brash they are. Love them or hate them, there is no car with the sheer presence of an old Cadillac. I have always enjoyed the thought of arriving to a group outing in one of these things, smoking a cigar and wearing a cheap Hawaiian shirt. Certainly beats James’ boring old Accord in that department, if no where else.
It’s nice that you were able to save the old Caddy. Your comments on the engines are spot on. It’s my opinion that GM like the B/D-body RWD cars wither on the vine after 1985. There was really no reason these cars shouldn’t have had TBI FI by the mid 1980’s. I also agree that these Caddy’s were styled far nicer than the Town Cars of the same vintage. But having owned the 302 MPFI used in the Panther’s of the late 80’s, that engine was far superior to any of Cadillac’s offerings in the 1980s.
When I worked in at a GM dealership in service, I remember working on a 1989 Brougham and a 1991 Brougham pretty close together. My daily driver at the time was also a 307 powered Olds B-body. The difference between the 307 and the 305 TBI engine was like night and day. While the 305 was no powerhouse, it performed so much better than the glacial 307.
Having had Caprice wagons with both the 305 and 307, your description of the Olds 307 as “glacial” is kind. Mine was so bad we rarely took it out of Drive, the Overdrive was useless.
If not concerned about originality, then by all means find yourself an LQ4 6.0 and get yourself some LS Goodness!!
I too have owned both variations of wagons with 305 and 307. My 307 wagon was tuned pretty well, plus I removed the cat and it had no issues in OD. My wagon would cruise at ease at 75 mph. Hills were the issue though. I found though that if you built more speed at the bottom the hill and kept your foot into it, I could climb many hills in OD with the converter locked, sometimes it’d just unlock the converter. There was some technique involved, kind of like driving heavy truck/bus. My lighter Delta 88 sedan was bit better due to the lower weight, but it too was not a fast car. The 305 B-bodies were much better as was the 302 Panthers.
I just remember the contrast because I worked on those two Caddy’s very close together, and drove both a fair number of miles on them.
I had a 1990 Brougham for about 3 years as a Summer driver here in good old Upstate, NY and it had the 307 Olds motor. The thing I find with owning many of these engines is that with just about anything out of spec including base timing, carburetor adjustments including the TPS or lean stop adjustment or just plain tune up items like worn plugs etc that this engine just falls on it’s rear in the power department.
With a perfectly in tune engine and all the planets aligned this mill should offer very sharp and almost fuel injected like throttle response and very effortless 0-40 pulling power. When these motors reach 4000 RPM’s the party is essentially over and there is just more noise and wheezing and not much more pickup beyond that.
These engines also worked in near perfect harmony with the 200R-4 overdrive automatic transmission and were virtually seamless together. If there was an issue with overdrive or lockup then the engine was either out of tune or the TPS was not adjusted correctly. These engines from 1985 -1990 made 255 LBS FT of torque at a low 2000 RPM’s making them ideal for overdrive transmissions like the 200R-4.
I have a 1987 Cutlass that will come out of its Winter hibernation in the next few weeks and I plan on going through it with a fine tooth comb as far as running behavior and tune up items are concerned. I’m hoping to get that sharp throttle response back like they had when new.
Nice job saving this old girl! There was something about these RWD full-sized Caddies that always screamed “Old Money” to me. They weren’t for everyone, but for those looking for RWD comfort, style and presence this was the car. The Lincoln Town Car also accomplished the same mission – I guess it comes down to a matter of brand loyalty and taste. They each had their own strengths and weaknesses.
My Uncle Bob drove these from 1979 to 1997. He nearly switched to Lincoln after hating his 1986 Fleetwood because it was such a dog compared to his ’79 SDV with the 425. I told him that I had read where GM was thinking of putting the 350 in the Fleetwood for 1990. He waited and then when it became available he special ordered one and loved it. After about 100k miles in 1997 he decided to trade it in for a FWD SDV d’Elegance which he enjoyed very much, but he said he missed the feeling of the RWD cars. It was the end of an era for him – no more RWD Caddies!
http://www.autoblueprint.com/1971_pages/valve_seal_replacement.html
This link shows engine in car SBC valve seal replacement without removing heads.
I’d replace the valve seals with the heads on and the engine in the car using the compressed air method. Did my old ’75 Rabbit using this method, no more smoke or oil burning after easy repair.
Car looks great, a real time capsule.
And lacking a compressor or appropriate fittings, there is always the rope trick.
Those Caddies evoke a sense of thump in the trunk while rollin’ through the hood. Thumpin’ away with all the bolts and screws rattling loose and falling out, and the rusted out body panels leaving a trail of corroded ore down the street.
I remember the hushed tones of reverence my dad and his cronies had when they spoke of Caddys, better known as “Hogs” in my neighborhood in North Philadelphia. Electras were “Deuce and a Quarters”, and Dodges, Plymouths and Chryslers were all called Chryslers regardless of division. My dad is gone, but some of his cronies are still alive, harrumphing at the newfangled luxury cars, what with their twin turbos and all wheel drive. Six cylinders were for secretary cars – Ramblers and GM compacts. Traction in snow? “Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit” my dad’s best friend Tom would say. “Jus’ throw some bricks in the trunk of that mother%$&&er!”. This Brougham was the last car my dad’s neighbor across the street owned before he succumbed to lung cancer. His wife sold it, and replaced it with a Buick Century.
This article makes me miss my 1990 grey Brougham D’Elegance which was my Summer DD about 6 years ago. We named it Theweallgo due to it’s huge trunk and expansive interior where seating 6 was pretty easy. I got the 307 about 98% dialed in and it was a pleasure to drive and easily kept pace with 75 MPH traffic. i always wished for more passing power and would have tinkered around with turning this “Y” engine into a “9” 442 version with swapping the carb, valve springs and cam to get the power up to 180 horses instead of the 140 my car had. But it was never to be. Rumor has it that some Brougham’s in the 1987-1990 era did have this vin code “9” engine but I have never ever seen one with my own eyes.
Has anybody ever encountered one of these cars from 1987-1990 with the rare HO vin “9” 307 engine? If so what were your thoughts on how it compared to the “Y” motor?