There were two formative chapters in my life that should have made me think a lot harder about the car purchase that came after the Tercel. First, having lived in Oregon during the 1980s, I vividly remember when the “Rajneeshees,” members of a secretive cult founded by an Indian mystic called “Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh,” took over a tiny town in a rural part of the state. I remember the images of Bhagwan’s adoring disciples jumping in ecstasy, waving and clapping as their so-called spiritual leader was chauffeured past them in one of his many Rolls-Royces. I remember thinking, “What’s wrong with these dopes? Are people this easily fooled?” (Answer: yes, they are.) The cult’s leaders were later charged with serious crimes–poisoning a town’s water supply with salmonella, f’rinstance–and by 1986, the Rajneeshees were no more, at least in Oregon. Like politicians and fad diets, cults never deliver what they promise.
The second event ties in more directly with automotive matters. In my last post, I mentioned that my wife and I did the “unthinkable” when we replaced the Tercel: we bought American. That may sound overly dramatic, let me give you some background to that statement. When I was about six, my parents bought…well, I don’t know if I can name the car without getting apoplectic. Even after almost 50 years, it’s still a sore spot and one of the more shameful automotive chapters in our family history. Give me a moment to center myself…Okay, here goes. It was a…a…VEGA.* Yes, CC’s “GM Deadly Sin #2.” So dad, like so many weary by that time of crap-quality American cars, had an epiphany when, in 1975, he replaced the shame-mobile with a Toyota Corolla wagon: Japan made much, much better cars. That led to his decision to buy the ’81 Mazda GLC and later his ‘88 626. Growing up post-Vega, I had been imbued with the idea that if you wanted a well-made car with rock-solid reliability, look toward the Land of the Rising Sun.
Therefore, it may strike the reader strange that this COAL is about an American car. And not just any American car, but one from GM, the very makers of the automotive disgrace known as the Vega. As I mentioned in my Tercel installment, Ms. D and I knew that we would soon outgrow the little Toyota. It was the right car at the time we bought it, but we knew that eventually we’d have to strap an infant/child car seat in the back, and that would require considerable gymnastics in a two-door car. And even by this time, we already had a “child” of sorts: one of Ms. D’s co-workers (let’s call him “Hutch”) was also a good friend of mine, and he accompanied us on many road trips, cramming himself into the back of our Tercel. We used to joke that Hutch was our “kid,” even though he was actually five years older than I was and seven more than Ms. D. (We thought about getting him a sippy cup, just for laughs!).
We considered the default options: another Toyota, maybe a Corolla this time, or a Honda Civic. And then there was Saturn. The new company had been making quite the splash in the early ‘90s. But I was ambivalent, despite (or perhaps because of) all the hype surrounding the new company that had almost religious overtones. Saturn really hadn’t been on my radar much until one day when a friend (let’s call him “Not-Hutch”) picked me up from work in his new ride- a ’93 SL2. He raved about it. “It’s really well built, and the best part is that it’s 100% American,” Not-Hutch gushed. He was a true-believer, if there ever was one.
The “100% American” part didn’t really sway me that much. It wasn’t the ‘mercan part that was critical to me, it was frivolities such as build quality and reliability (I know, I’m so hard to please!). But my friend’s SL2 was, somewhat shockingly, pretty nice, at least at first blush. It got me to thinking, “Is Saturn just the latest automotive turd GM pinched off or is there something more to it?” There did seem to be quite a few happy Saturn owners, Not-Hutch included. Ms. D and I discussed our options and one big point in the Saturn’s favor was price: they were noticeably cheaper than comparable Civics and Corollas. Additionally, Saturn’s “no-haggle” policy was very attractive as I generally tend to suffer from a mild nervous breakdown when I even think about negotiating a large purchase like a car. After much deliberation, we decided to go ahead and buy a Saturn. It was a gamble. Perhaps Saturn’s clever ads and “different kind of company/car” ethos were also working some sort of dark magic on us. We were ready to drink the Kool-Aid.
So off to the Saturn of Southwest Oregon showroom we went. There, we admired the sacred “cut-away car,” which showed off the “spaceframe” and those famous dent-resistant polymer panels. I’m pretty sure every Saturn dealer had one of these cars. The purchase experience was as advertised: no-haggle. Unfortunately, one thing I hadn’t counted on was that they definitely wanted to haggle over the purchase price of our Tercel trade-in. But I soldiered through that and, after several rounds of back-and-forth, got them to come up to an acceptable level for me before my impending nervous breakdown. After that, it was smooth sailing.
It’s when the purchase was complete that things got weird. Leo, our salesman, ushered me and Ms. D out to the back of the dealership to pick up the car. Every available staff person was circled around our car. Leo handed us the keys and then everyone—I’m not making this up—burst into song. Yes, at Saturn, the staff sung each buyer a “congratulations/send-off” song. I don’t remember how it went, but it was probably dreadful and humiliating for the staff who had to sing it. I remember thinking “these poor people have to perform this soul-crushing ritual every time someone buys a car!” A Buddhist friend once told me about “the unreality of phenomenal distinction.” It’s that feeling you get when you witness something you just can’t believe is actually happening, like, say, when a terrible accident unfolds right in front of your eyes. That just about nails this experience. We drove our new car off the lot excited but also a little weirded-out.
We didn’t have much contact with the Saturnites after that and we never took the pilgrimage to Springhill to attend a “homecoming.” We did, however, visit a picnic for local area Saturn owners at a Medford park a couple of years later. I remember I won a Saturn t-shirt because I could name all the models in the Saturn line-up, which wasn’t exactly something to brag about because I only had to remember about four letters and be able to count up to two.
We all know Saturn turned out, which was nicely documented here by our esteemed senior editor as “GM Deadly Sin #4.” But I won’t dwell on that for now. All I can do is share our experience of owning the car. For starters, my skinflint tendencies got the best of me and we bought the base level SL. It looked pretty much like an SL1, but had different wheel covers and a cheaper-looking interior. Of course, it was also decontented, having no power options. But, in an improvement over the Tercel, it had cloth seats, a radio, two extra doors, and an additional forward gear. We were moving forward, even if at gastropod pace. Engine was a 2.0L SOHC 8-valve 4, same as the SL1 (SL2s got the more potent, but also much noisier DOHC 16-valver). With only 85 horses, power was adequate, though 107 ft-lbs. of torque at 2400 rpm helped. The Saturn was, however, a decent enough handler and felt very Japanese in that respect. With the 5-speed, it was reasonably fun to drive and I did like that extra gear. Hutch appreciated the easy ingress/egress from the back seat.
It wasn’t until the “Saturn/New Car High” began to wear off that I started noting the SL’s quirks and deficiencies (You thought I was going to say “quirks and features,” didn’t you?). A few of these I already knew about but gave a pass due to the car’s low price: the squishy seats, the “mad mouse” passive restraints and the horrendously bulging steering wheel, for example. But there was one big issue that started to grate on me. Having previously owned nothing but Japanese cars, I got used to the “sculpted from a single block of material” solidity those cars possessed. Cars, of course, are actually made from thousands of little pieces and the Saturn let you know it. It was fine on smooth roads, but if we drove it on uneven surfaces or rougher pavement, we were greeted by a chorus of squeaks and rattles. Things were even worse when sitting in the back seat, which, thankfully, I didn’t have to do very often. Back there, it felt like the very car itself was coming apart as harsh vibration provided an unwelcome counterpoint to the timpani of rattles. This was no Civic or Corolla. Not even close.
That the Saturn was nowhere close to the benchmarks became glaringly apparent a few years later when yet another friend showed up to visit in his new 1998 Civic LX. (We’ll call him “David,” because, well, that was his name). We drove down to the Oregon/California border and took the exit at Hilt. There, old highway 99 winds its way back into Oregon. And when I say “old,” I’m not exaggerating. I’m pretty sure the highway hadn’t been resurfaced since I-5 was laid in the 1960s. David’s Civic handled the old road with aplomb- confidently soaking up the bumps and myriad other imperfections. Sure, the ride was still a bit rough, but the Civic held its ground and felt composed. When Ms. D and I had driven this same road in the Saturn a few months before, it was a bone-rattling experience, something akin to being in an earthquake simulator.
Looking back with the benefit of 20+ years of hindsight, the Saturn wasn’t a terrible car, despite the demerits I listed above. It proved to be extremely reliable and we had no mechanical issues during the time we owned it. Even after 100K miles, everything in the interior worked perfectly and, cosmetically, things were still in fine shape. This, in a way, was all the more frustrating. If the car had horrible reliability, it would be easy to justify dumping it in favor of a better car. But the Saturn plugged along and met our basic transportation needs, even if it did it in its own uncouth manner. It was like an embarrassing family member that you don’t like to be seen with but is always there when you need them. As it turned out, the Kool-Aid ended up not being lethal- it just left a bad aftertaste.
Our daughter arrived in October of 1997, and by this time I was long past being a Saturn believer. Thankfully, by 2000, our automotive fortunes were to change. The car gods would be smiling on us in a big way. You’ll read all about that in my next COAL.
*There was also a shameful chapter in Ms. D’s family automotive history. Her dad bought a 1980 Oldsmobile Diesel, another infamous GM megablunder. This also helps explain why buying a Saturn constituted such a cataclysmic shift in our thinking.
Not something sold here though Saturns have turned up possibly from Japan`, the unbreakable panels must get broken somehow one I saw locally was red with green left front fender and door so which ever model that was theres more than one of them here, that was several years ago and the only other one to surface was on auction site trademe and it needed repairs though what you do for parts for such an orphan remains a mystery.
e had a similar experience when collecting a Mini Countryman but with out the song by embarrassed staff… Ushured in to a dark room…. Salesman pushed down on a huge button like from a game show. Flashing lights, loud rave music and streamers like I just won it on ” The Price is Right ” or some thing. I know the Mini is for the youth market but still a little immature… My previous Mercedes was sent off with just a hand shake and flowers for the wife…
I’m thinking that the song was either something they were experimenting with or was peculiar to our local dealer. My brother bought a Saturn two years later and they didn’t serenade him.
When my wife took delivery of her Mini five years ago, it was front-and-centre in the showroom with a huge bow on it, and a sign saying something like “This Mini belongs to Jane”. I can’t find the photo we took…
A friend of mine drives a Saturn wagon that is closing in on its 400,000th mile; he’s the original owner. For him, it has been the most economical and practical car in the world. If you took good care of these cars, they were great buys.
That’s impressive. By the time we got rid of ours at 108K, it was using a little oil.
I’ve been working on him to write up his Saturn’s story for CC. The car was stolen a few years ago and insurance subsequently paid him off for it. A few weeks later, the cops found it just a few blocks from where it had been stolen; Must have just been a short joyride. The Saturn, with about 300k on it at the time, went to a dealer-only auction, where my friend had to pay someone else to bid on it and jump through miles of red tape to get his old Saturn back. But he did, eventually, and like I said, it’s nearing 400k miles today.
Most of the curbavores here can’t hold on to a car that long, and I’m the same way. My buddy, though, a very philosophical and pragmatic guy, plans to keep that car alive as long as he can.
Well PonderosaMatt there’s a reason why they call they Saturns mobile mosquito sprayers. I helped my neighbor replace the cylinder head gasket on my fiance’s 2002 Saturn SL1 when it had 220K miles. Still burned and/or leaked oil from somewhere.
I was sold and seduced by Saturn advertising and bought a new 1995 5 speed gold SL-2 4 door sedan.
On a Saturday morning delivery the right side power windows did not work. It took the scrambling dealer many hours to find another Saturn dealer with the correct parts to effect the repair. It was not a good start.
Obviously there was no singing and dancing.
There were so many interior defects and rattling half assembled components that I came in three days later with a list of requested repairs.
When I picked the car up at the end of the day none of the repairs had been addressed.
I stormed into the crowded showroom the next Saturday morning demanding my money back. Because Saturn had a money-back guarantee at that time, I got a full refund the following Monday (it was a cash deal) plus the negotiated value of my ’90 Sable wagon trade-in.
So, I had my Saturn SL2 one week.
Shortly after that time Saturn quietly discontinued their money-back program. I probably wasn’t the only one who found their new Saturn less than promised.
Glad they didn’t sing to you. Sounds like you got a particularly bad example.
I can only imagine the headwinds you experienced going back to the GM well after the parental experiences. But we who are into cars are only able to make these great calls with the benefit of hindsight. We are all subject to some kind of Kool Ade when everything in every showroom looks new and fresh and perfect, and it is easy to imagine a decade of trouble-free bliss from everything you test drive.
A cousin of Mrs JPC bought one of the early Saturns and remained incredibly proud of it for years. His was well equipped and he never missed an opportunity to talk about the “sport tuned suspension” or whatever Saturn called it. Him being an engineer, I was always amazed at his capacity to be in love with that car. But love it he did.
So true. With Saturn, at least at first, I felt like Mulder::::- “I want to believe.”
I would hardly call the car an engineer’s dream, but it was interesting with it’s “spaceframe” (which I suppose is just a fancy way of saying body-on-frame) design, the plastic panels and the like. Don’t know about the “sport-tuned” suspension. It handled well enough- certainly better than the Ford Tempo that I had the misfortune of renting once.
I had a 1994 Saturn SL-1 I bought used in 2001. It was the 1.9 L SOHC and 5 Speed. Similar to your car. Overall was overall a decent car. It ran well and didn’t use any oil for the 6 years I owned it. It did at one point made a tapping noise and cost $800 to fix at the Saturn dealer. I believe it was a lifter. Was still noisy when cold after that and I added STP to the oil which quieted it down. The cars were popular in the Rust Belt in places like Maine where Iived as the body didn’t rust and they still looked good years later. Still see a few of the the SL series on the road here in Maine every once in a great while. Loved how they renamed things such as the engine being called the “power module”. The 1990s versions were GM trying to emulate a Honda. They did a decent job by 1980s Honda standards. Still miss the car sometimes. Remember how low it was to sit in.
Ours was starting to use oil by 100K miles. It wasn’t much, but I was glad to get rid of it.
I was never a fan of the early Saturns. I grew up in car building country, with mostly GM factories nearby. When the Saturn project was first announced, GM said they were “shopping” different cities where they might build the factory, pitting one city against the other to provide better tax breaks (or similar) to their benefit. This sent me from being a GM fan to being a hater for the rest of the 80’s into the late 90’s. (I still think that was the event that sealed the fate for Lordstown, not the strikes in the 1970’s.) Not the products, just the Roger Smith-ian “what have you done for me, lately?” bullsh!t attitude.
My personal attitude aside, I knew several people who bought Saturns and had good experiences with them. My brother in law for one, bought a new SL2 in 1995. I had not seen a Saturn close up so when he got his, so I was a bit intrigued. I didn’t like the “sitting on the ground” aspect of the car, like so many Honda models, but I’m six feet tall and maybe that has more to do with it. The interior was nice, the power, handling and braking were good, too. I could never really warm up to the first gen styling, although the second gen styling was truly horrid.
IINM, he still has that car, along with a couple of parts cars at his farm in Georgia. He was one of the folks who bought the whole Saturn marketing shtick hook, line and sinker. He attended at least one of the homecomings that I can remember and would extol the virtues of the all plastic body to anyone who cared to listen.
When the car was a couple of years old, he was in an accident with the car that required some body work. His insurance garnered him a then-current Chevy Cavalier as his rental car for the week. Being that I’m four inches taller than him, the Cavy fit me much better. The interior of the Cavy, while cheap, had some better touches like a center console with actual support for your arm, better seats and a huge trunk.
In the end, the whole Saturn experiment was a loss; you could tell by the time the refreshed models came out in 1996 that GM had lost interest in keeping it going. But they had contracts and obligations to honor, all of which they wound down in the bankruptcy several years later. Like we’ve mentioned here before, the money spent to create the Saturn division could have been used for so many other things at GM. Love or hate Michael Moore, I think he was right to pillory Roger Smith.
Had I been in the market for a new car in the early 1990s, I likely would have considered a Saturn. In retrospect, I guess the whole thing was a mighty dose of Kool-Aid, but I liked the premise of an affordable domestic car with import-like quality and driveability. But the bloom fell iff the rose after a few years.
I would have been mortified by the song-and-dance routine. Saturn should have offered an Introverts Option Package for folks who’d prefer to skip that stuff.
As an introvert myself,I find your IOP idea intriguing. Includes extra-tinted glass, maybe; perhaps a quieter “excuse me” horn? :). And yes, I was very glad that our Saturn dealer skipped all the theatrics when I picked up my SL2 in ‘98.
Just tick off RPO-S17 – Delivery Song Delete Option (c:
We were ‘kicking tires’ in the early-mid 1990s – the Neon was fresh out, with that alluring happy face. Having had good experiences with an ’89 (sold after birth of our first child) and ’90 Civic Three-door, I remember looking at Hondas just before we moved to Tennessee, but they had priced themselves right out of our budget. Post-move, we test-drove a Neon and Saturn SL1 and purchased neither. I remember the Saturn feeling cheap and thrashy (relative to the Civic), and IIRC, the Neon was also out of our budget. My brother would later own a used SL2, and I remember him liking it.
We put off the car purchase and soldiered along with the Civic and my ’71 VW bus, eventually purchasing a ’98 Caravan in late 1999.
The bloom definitely fell off, withered, and then turned to dust!
RE the singing: I worked at a Coldstone Creamery in my early 20s. Most of them had a singing policy too at the time (I now forget the details of when/why), but fortunately, our manager was quick to tell us that we didn’t have to partake in it. I can tell you this: the pay was humiliating enough; the singing would have been insult to injury.
Nothing wrong with creating a pleasant buying experience for your customer, but you can do that without humiliating the staff!
I remember the hype and the whole advertising campaign for Saturn, at least the advertising was different than other companies. I had hope that GM was beginning to change.
That singing and dancing at the car dealer, which has NEVER happened to me thank goodness, sounds just as mortifying as the singing and clapping they do at restaurants for people having a birthday meal. Ugh. The closest I ever got to any manner of post purchase celebration was the ‘spin the wheel for the prize’ after I purchased my Justy. I don’t even remember what I won now.
Saturns seemed to be good cars, probably the most durable GM car of their era along with the Ciera and Century A cars, but I haven’t seen any on the road lately.
Excellent writing on this COAL series. Looking forward to the next one.
Another good read!
And you captured the key aspects of the whole Saturn project and experience well, from top to bottom. Saturn managed to bring in quite a few import owners/intenders with their superbly crafted marketing spiel. And these cars were as you described: fairly durable and sporty to drive, if in a harsh way.
The Saturn was a bit of a challenge for me personally, as by that time I was utterly convinced that GM was making a colossal mistake, and that the cars themselves were going to be half baked. Well, the cars weren’t quite as bad as I expected, more like 2/3 baked. And sales were better than I expected. But within a few years I could see it unraveling, albeit slowly.
All in all, I don’t think we made a terrible mistake. The car did perform reliably, which is way more than can be said about the Vega or the Olds Diesel. But, if I had it to do again, I would have found a way to come up with $2K or so more to buy a Civic. The Saturn was definitely rough around the edges. Lesson learned. Every car since has been either Honda or Toyota.
I’m sure you’re not alone in that defection…
Great coal Matt, thank you!
I was interested in one on 1993, but the dealer in Raleigh was marking them UP $500. So I bought a 2 year old BMW 318i instead. For the less price of a new SL1
2 years later, in Michigan,
I bought a lightly used 95 SL2 with 3500 miles. I like the dashboard layout of yours much better—but I was spared the motorized mouse seat belts.
I only kept it 18 months, but put 27k miles on it. No problems- but it was only 2 years old.
The squishy seats… the RAUCOUS engine—the first time my mother rode in it, I floored it and she thought the engine was “breaking up”. But it got 35 to 40 mpg when my father drove it to Florida. And it had great cornering. But the auto trans was not suited to spirited driving, especially with that loud, rough motor (side note: 10 years later, the Supercharged Cobalt, GM finally made a great sounding, and excellent performing 4-cylinder)
One feature I liked—selling it to a Saturn dealer. No trade, I just wanted another car. They gave me $11400, I was happy!
One note: the Saturn was not body on frame: it was a unibody with plastic fenders, rear quarters (the inner was steel), and door skins. At the time, I liked the “no rust”. But like many, I soon realized that made for a less solid feeling car, compared to a period Corolla, or my 9 year old GTI
At least some of those import owners that Saturn brought in may have thought Saturn was an import because it was so different. When my friend’s sister bought her first new car, I suggested the Saturn SC1. “I don’t want a foreign car.” She then bought a Geo Storm.
Yes, it was a confusing era, for sure. The Storm was a re-bodied Isuzu, if I recall.
One also gets the feeling that GM was hedging their bets by offering rebodied Japanese cars under the “Geo” badge while at the same time pushing their own home-grown small car.
Great article and a highly enjoyable read! That picture of you with it is everything!
We’ve had several share their Saturn SL ownership experiences here over the years, but this is definitely one of the most detailed. My only firsthand experience with early Saturns was riding in the backseat of my aunt’s friend’s second gen SL2. I was probably about 5 or 6 years old and what I vividly recall was how uncomfortable the back was. The seatback was the most vertical I had ever encountered.
As for your delivery experience, the entire dealership breaking out into song is extremely awkward… and this is coming from someone who sold MINIs for three years. I recall an episode of Ellen Degeneres’ 1990s sitcom that parodied Saturn and its cult-like aura.
I’d like to see that Ellen episode. It’s probably on YouTube somewhere.
I laugh a little when I see that picture of me. I didn’t normally wear a tie to work. I worked at a historical society and museum and designed an built exhibits, so often my work attire would much more casual and something I wouldn’t care if it got covered in sawdust. I think I was on the way to a new exhibit opening when that picture was taken.
It has to be purchased, but this was the episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QxbW0xkN8
Thanks!
Found it for free: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vfy0z
Thanks Brendan. I’d forgotten Ellen’s sitcom so it was good to see one again. Funny! I feel the same about my Rapture Model 3 I’m on target to get in June this year. Let’s hope the Tesla “family” doesn’t go the Saturn way.
Even better!
You and Joe Dennis seemed to share a fondness for what look like Z. Cavaricci pants! Like the man said, it’s better to look good than to feel good… 🙂
Did any eagle-eyed Oregonians notice the “Oregon Trail” license plate in the photo with my daughter?
I’m not an Oregonian, but I’m a license plate collector and an enthusiast of Western history, so I sure did notice. I liked the Oregon Trail plates a lot — my favorite of Oregon’s specialty plates.
Yep, I liked that one a lot. The Crater Lake ones are pretty nice, too. These days, I live in Washington State and we have about a gazillion plate choices, though currently both of our cars have the standard Mt. Rainier plates. Someday, though, I’d love to have one of those orca plates, or maybe the lighthouse one.
Yup, I sure noticed the Oregon Trail plate PonderosaMatt. The plate design seems half-baked to me and now that they are all over 20 years old some sure are worn out, but I am charmed when I see one in good shape.
When I drove the Oregon coast from Astoria to Brookings with my fiance in January 2019 I was surprised how many Oregon Trail plates I saw. Don’t get me wrong, most of the plates were the standard passenger issue, but next to the Salmon Plate, the Oregon Trail was probably the next most common specialty plate.
An interesting article on the Saturn-I never owned one or test drove one, my only time in a Saturn was when I was riding in a co-workers new SL2 Sport coupe.I’m about average height (6 ft), but during my ride in the right front passenger seat the top of my head kept rubbing against the glass sunroof and despite moving around in the seat I could never get in a position where my head did not hit the sunroof. One day she came into the office complaining about all the squeaks and rattles in the car. She took off work to run the car to the dealer to see if they could silence the rattles; she left soon afterwards so I don’t know what the outcome was.
Offhand, I would say the quality of the Saturn vehicles was average, but still not up to Japanese standards.
I worked for a Saturn dealership, and around 2004 bought a ’95 SL2 5 speed with AC, manual windows and locks, cloth seats. The owner came in to buy a part, mentions she was buying a new Ion (poor girl), but was angry she was offered on $800 on trade in (120k miles on it). I offered her $1000 which she gladly accepted. It needed a motor mount, CTS switch, AC hose O ring, and a PS pump seal. Repaired for around $120. Lasted 10 years, needed clutch, shifter cable, and clutch slave/master assembly until timing chain broke at 266k miles and car was junked. Did use a lot of oil in its later years, but ran well, had good power and MPG, not a bad car for not a lot of $.
I can relate to the “weirdness”, in 2005 I was sent to a Saturn presentation at Kennedy School in Portland, great lunch, the presenter had attended many Springhill events and pushed a real touchy feely vibe that was hard to relate to, at one point we all had to form a circle around a rock and write down our feelings about this experience. Very strange. We also assembled bicycles at the end of the presentation, then a class of elementary school children came in and all got the new bicycles, and the children gave was small rocks with their name and a thank you painted on them by the kids.
Both of those are cool stories. I do believe that if you treated these Saturns right, they could outlast any competitor, even if the Japanese comps were more refined.
As for that touchy-feely story, that’s bizarre! Kudos to you, though, for mostly just describing it and not judging it. It sounds very new-agey and idealistic, but that the intent was good.
Always a good idea to take care of a car, of course, and I do believe Saturn represented a step forward in American cars as far as reliability is concerned. I’m not so sure they would outlast a Honda or Toyota, though. I have another COAL coming up in a couple of weeks about a Toyota that went almost 145K with the original brakes and no mechanical issues whatsoever (and it wasn’t using oil like the Saturn was).
No doubt most Saturns were decent enough and reliable, for the most part. They just lacked refinement. GM’s claim that they would be a “quantum leap ahead of the Japanese” was absurd.
I loved the look and bought into the hype of the Saturn when they first came out. I was young and impressionable. The cars seemed good…very good by American car standards. in 1993 my girlfriend (now wife) was looking for a new car. Her criteria: sporty, 5 speed, a cupholder, a cool looking dash. the highest car on her list was a Saturn SC1. The one we looked at was a light purple color and had the required cupholder built into the center console. I went back to the dealer a few days later with girlfriend and future father-in-law. Her old school wheeler dealer father could not wrap his head around the no haggle pricing. The salesman absolutely killed all hope of a deal when he failed to mention that the cool cupholder – the main thing she was interested in – required buying a $400 center console. I had never seen my girlfriend that mad up to that point. She chewed the poor man’s head off. It was impressive! Needless to say, we did not leave with a new Saturn that night. We did buy a red off-lease 1994 SC2 5 speed a few years later. Nice car. I hate door dings so the plastic body panels were great. The paint finish on the car looked fantastic. The seats fabric looked delicate, but held up ok. Still no damn cupholder. I think about the only we trouble we had out of it was the motorized seatbelts going haywire and doing a dance while driving. It turns out the control module for the belts was just below a flat space next to the handbrake in the center console where she would wedge in her iced tea cup. The dealer advised a towel under the cup and we never had another problem.
Typical GM car. Crappy interior that rattled but excellent mechanical reliability.
At least the interior was more attractive than other economy offerings from GM (I’m thinking of the concurrent Chevy Cavalier. Simply awful).
Lots of little things stand out in this piece to me. I remember well when Saturn launched, and distinctly remember non-car people actively discussing these new “Saturns”. In my family I remember going with Dad and Grandma circa 1992 to look at an SL2 for her; not keen on the idea of a Japanese Accord her neighbor so instantly pushed her toward, there we were. I distinctly recall being very opposed to the interior materials and workmanship presented when Honda was supposedly Saturn’s benchmark for being. Grandma agreed, stating the car felt “gravel-ey” and would long drive an Accord before “this”. That’s exactly what she did, too. While we were there I also remember what seemed most of the staff to be giving a send off to a new owner, clapping and cheering as the new owner drove out the front of store facing garage bay (remember the initial dealers all having these right by the front doors? The ones around here did). It all felt like moral support to convince you that “nope, I can make good decisions! These are honest people” and detract you from literally anything else you should be paying attention to on a purchase as large as it is.
And that makes me cycle back to the types of folks I knew who just loved them; almost always they were the person who never owned Japanese specifically prior, and were floored by the no-haggle pricing more than anything the car was itself. “Everyone pays this” was a direct tie in to the weird family mantra they were trying to push, and for someone who hates to haggle and doesn’t trust themself to not be ripped off, you had a whole group of people who felt like were all savvy shoppers and weren’t outsmarted by the next guy who came along, and thus a common bond was formed. I’m also not entirely convinced the plastic panels weren’t only specifically employed on these to play on the stereotype still common then Japanese cars were severe rusters. This tech wasn’t unique stuff then, but it was never so loudly proclaimed in such a manner, either. All smells of smoke and mirrors to me, like typical GM back then. Not really a different car at all to GM, just a different way to shuck it. Once the one-price component fell to the side is when Saturn straight up lost its momentum and going in all sorts of desperate directions.
My dad’s last car was a second generation Saturn that he bought used. It was kind of a rushed purchase, as he needed a car after wrecking his previous car…wait for it…a Camry. He actually liked the Saturn, and it served him well up until late 2009, when he became quite forgetful (at 84) and could no longer drive. When he passed in 2010, my sister and her husband cleaned it out and offered it to me. I said “no thanks”. It wasn’t a bad car for him, but definitely not to my tastes.
I looked at Saturn during its first generation a couple of times during my car buying “career” and never pulled the trigger for whatever reasons. Probably because I was too cheap to pay for the SL2 which is the one I would have wanted, but instead usually got something completely different and used or the dog of a new ’95 Jetta at around that same time.
I think the singing might have had me drop the keys and walk out though, damn that’s hokey. 🙂
A very enjoyable read, the others are right about that, and I look forward to more!
“Unfortunately, one thing I hadn’t counted on was that they definitely wanted to haggle over the purchase price of our Tercel trade-in.”
That was the dirty little secret of the Saturn “One Price” model- While the purchase price was a fixed value, most transactions involved a trade in value. Therefore, dealers would low ball buyers on their trade in value, and the customer would have to haggle over the transaction price on their “no haggle” car.
Not an issue when the customer paid cash, but for those sales the fixed price policy protected the dealer’s bottom line.
Enjoyable read! I can’t say that I had to much experience with these 1st generation Saturns, but I did with the second generation cars. These second generation cars were not that great IMO, very cheap interiors and rough around the edges. No where in the same league as the small cars from Honda or Toyota and barely better than the traditional GM small cars. It is too bad GM didn’t invested these wasted funds from Saturn into building a decent small car for an existing brand, instead of pumping the J-body out forever. Then again, they would have botched it anyway.
Back in 1996 i had fallen in with a bunch of guys who bought crashed cars from insurance auctions, fixed them and gave them to me to sell on this new fangled Internet thing. They were immigrants from Guyana and were buying Corollas and Altimas since that;s what they knew. One of the guys accidentally bought a 1993 Saturn SL1. He thought he was bidding on the Corolla next to it. After fixing it, I put it on the net. I got more interest than I did with the Japanese cars and it sold right away. The guys started bidding on Saturns and found that that they were the only ones bidding and got them for cheap, even bought some for parts that weren’t worth fixing. I became “the Saturn guy” on the internet. The customers were the nicest people I’d ever met selling cars, they were down to earth, just like Saturns, in short order, I was selling cars by word of mouth before they were even done. I still have friends today who bought Saturns from back in the day. One guy, buying an SL1 for his wife was an autocrosser with a Twin Turbo RX7 and he convinced me to come autocrossing. Of course I took a Saturn, an SW2 Wagon. They put me in the same class with Integra GS-Rs but by the end of the season I was winning more than loosing. I kept selling Saturns until the SL series cars were to old to bother with, I bought one Ion, but it was more GM than Saturn and that was the end of it. I still love the little cars and blame GM taking away their independence for their unfortunate demise.
My 1994 Saturn SL-2 experience means I’ll NEVER buy another Saturn.
It looked good on paper. Clean Carfax. 71,000 miles. I read everything about them that I could before I went to test-drive it. The seller only wanted $1600 in 2011 or 2012, I forget which year.
I HATED it. It drank oil. It ALWAYS had something wrong with it. It had lots of the aforementioned squeaks and rattles. It kept having front end problems. I’ve seldom been happier to get rid of a car (I ended up donating it).
But it WAS reliable.
Looks like your daughter is giving the Saturn a mean left hook. Pow, right in the eye.
My only experience with this car was riding in a friend’s back in 2000 or so. The only reason I remember it is because the passenger-side A-pillar trim fell off during that drive. Nothing’s perfect.
My wife and I had four Saturns:
An SL2
An SLW2
A VUE
and a Relay 3
The dealership was fantastic and the people there couldn’t have been nicer or easier to work with. Same folks stayed with us from 1999 to 2008 when they closed. Sad to see them go.
The cars were good. We wish we could have gotten better results from my wagon – it went through three transmissions, and the van we loved couldn’t make it past 165,000 miles without a transmission ($1500) – and the engine failing. But we were happy campers.
My father in law was a GM mechanic his entire life, so going with Saturn was a way for us to get a good small GM car that was better than the other GM cars.
We still drive American brand cars. It is good to support our country and reduce our carbon footprint and benefit the environment by buying LOCAL. It is a shame that owning an American brand car has to be defended as the right thing to do. Really sad.
Dear Painting with a Broad Brush,
Does this include Chinese-built Buicks, Mexican-assembled Silverados, and Ontario-assembled Ford Edges? What if I live closer to the Accord’s Ohio assembly point than the Malibu’s Kansas City? If I’m looking at two American-branded Silverados on an Oklahoma lot and one is from Silao and the other from Oshawa (both roughly equidistant from my location), what’s the right thing to do if I want to buy local or support my country? I mean other than grabbing a Tundra from the Texas plant. When only 6 of the top 15 cars are American-brand on an American-made index, what exactly does American-brand mean anymore?
Sincerely,
Owner of a Tahara, Japan assembled vehicle *because American brands didn’t make anything I wanted*