Countless boys across many generations have been mesmerized by Chevy’s Corvette. In the 70s and 80s it was the only real American mass production sports car to fantasize about. I will never forget seeing a fourth gen for the first time in 1984. I can also remember exactly where I was when I saw my first C5 in 1997 as well.
So owning a Corvette had always been a bucket list item for me. Sometime around the year 2010 I actually owned a fourth generation (C4) for about a month, but it had so many issues I only drove it a short distance one time before I got rid of it. So I still had this itch for owning a Corvette.
The decision to look for a fifth generation (C5) was easy. I realistically couldn’t afford the payment on one any newer, and the third generation (from ‘68-’82) is just not a quality vehicle. I love Corvettes, but the C3s were ergonomically rough, cramped, and slow. When people start modifying C3s for power they often end up with cooling issues. But then again, I live in Florida – perhaps people in cold places, like Canada fare better?
When I began shopping, I did not have a long list of requirements. The paint color wasn’t that important to me, and specific options were not either. I did not especially want a convertible, but the only real requirement for me was that it had a manual gearbox. I absolutely, positively would not buy a Vette with an automatic transmission. I am of the opinion that a Corvette with an automatic transmission is like going to the beach on a rainy day, or bolting a laptop to a desk. I want to say to the person: “Hey, you’re doing it wrong!”
When I finally bought one, I enjoyed it very much. It was a first-year red on black example with low miles, and in near flawless condition. I later learned that a majority of the early 1997s were red on black, and all hatchbacks. The convertible wasn’t available until the next year, and the fixed-roof coupe came along even later.
All cars had the new for 1997 aluminum 5.7 liter LS1 with 345 horsepower. It was also the first Corvette to have a rear mounted transmission, with a shaft coming from the flexplate/flywheel which spun at engine speed. This setup allowed the car to have a near-perfect 50/50 weight distribution (Porsche had done this with the 944 a decade or so earlier). Also, the 97s did not have a spare tire, nor a place for one. They came with T.P.M.S. and run-flats.
One downside of the six speed was Computer Aided Gear Selection. For C.A.F.E. the car would shift from first gear to fourth under light throttle. I bought a cheap C.A.G.S. defeat device off Ebay and installed it in less than ten minutes.
It almost goes without saying that the car was fantastic in the curves. Almost like riding on rails, it simply went where pointed. Surely the weakest link in the handling department was driver skill or confidence.
Readers of these COALs of mine have probably picked up on the fact that I get bored with cars quickly. My wife and friends remind me of this character deficiency of mine. So I decided to sell. And when I did, there were some people interested, but seemingly no one with any cash.
I had it for sale on three different websites with a clear description and lots of good pictures. Some callers really wanted it…later. After a couple months I ended up putting it on consignment with a nation-wide collector car broker. They took the car and the keys, and I waited some more. I knew they charged the buyer a ten percent commission, but I didn’t carefully read the fine print. The minimum commission was $2,500. The car was only worth somewhere between $11k and $14k so the mandatory commission made the car overpriced.
After about three more months, the car did sell. It sold on the low end, a break-even point for me, yet the buyer paid too much.
In my opinion the C5 Corvette is a beautiful, timeless design, and is a great performer. As a bonus it’s plastic fantastic – all Corvettes are rust-proof! Corvettes are also addictive. Even though my itch has been scratched, someday I want to try a sixth gen. Note: All pictures except the one of the drivetrain are of the actual car.
! ” Computer Aided Gear Selection. For C.A.F.E. the car would shift from first gear to fourth under light throttle.”!
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So, the tranny was semi automatic or what ? .
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-Nate
C.A.G.S included a solenoid mounted on the manual transmission shift linkage.
When the computer engaged the solenoid, a first to second shift become a first to fourth shift. The driver still moved the lever manually, but the system changed which gear the motion engaged.
James, 2 questions:
At what rpm (or perhaps mph) did the CAGS allow the driver to go directly from 1st to 2nd?
With a CAGS commanded shift from 1st into 4th, could the driver just downshift into 2nd before letting up the clutch?
I would suspect that with the torque of that big V8, combined with the relatively light weight of the vehicle, going into 4th at a low speed did not impact normal [adult-like] driving performance. But I am guessing as I have never driven a C5 Corvette. Or C6 or C7. Or C4 for that matter.
About 2000 rpm to question 1 –
Yes to question 2
It’s easy to work around it.
Yes Rip, the engine had a ton of torque. Occasionally my wife drove it and she sometimes started off (from standing) in third gear. The car didn’t seem to care.
This setup sounds nuts to me. I’m trying to understand how it works in ordinary driving situations. Here’s one I encounter all the time: I’m sitting at a red light behind several cars. The light turns green, and I start out in first gear, hoping traffic will pull our normally, if not briskly. However., the cars in front of me, after pulling forward, hesitate a second—maybe they have to wait for the intersection to clear or they are working around someone making a left turn. So having moved ahead briefly in first, I declutch but don’t stop. Traffic starts to move again, and I drop it into second gear and pull away smoothly. You’re saying that in the Vette I would be pulling away in fourth gear instead of second?! Starting at four miles per hour? Granted, I’m driving a four-banger, but the whole point of driving a stick is to have the gear you want when you want it. Pulling away in fourth gear when you really want second gear…wtf?
What if you absolutely HAD to get it into second? How would you do this? The lever is already “in” second, but the transmission isn’t…?
Or, what if I did pull away in fourth, but with the shift lever in second gear position. I get a little farther down the road, and conditions dictate that I shift into 3rd. On the Vette, I would downshift the transmission from 4th to 3rd by upshifting the stick from 2nd to 3rd? Please tell me I’ve completely misunderstood the way this works. I don’t want to believe a GM engineer could make something this stupid.
Here are the requirements for one implementation of skip-shift.
* you’re in 1st gear (of course)
* you’re at 35% throttle or less
* you’re between 15 and 21 mph
* engine coolant temperature is greater than 171 F (77 C)
That may however be slightly different for different years and models, Corvette wasn’t the only one to get this. In the earliest Corvette applications I believe they went so far as telling you to never cut or disconnect a particular wire else the system would be disabled.
However with the advent of OBDII regulations and the fact that skip-shift is an emissions control device they were required to monitor its function. Disconnect or clip the wire and the system no longer sees the solenoid’s resistance. So what they people are selling for $20-40 is a resistor and the mating plugs. The computer sees resistance on the circuit and then thinks everything is fine.
Yes, Scout, that seems right. From what I remember, there is a lockout embedded in the trans case. It is not physically possible to go into second gear. Third would work, but the habit of pulling down is ingrained. So first to fourth.
My SS has this feature, which I found to be borderline unsafe, as it would invariably activate in the middle of an intersection. The resulting delay from my fumbling around getting it into 4th often had the car behind me about to kiss my bumper. The ‘harness extender’ I installed was probably the best $20 I’ve spent on the car.
THANK YOU ALL for the multiple descriptions plus how to disable details .
I find it greatly amusing that folks were so upset by the tiny upshift light used on VW A1 platforms, it was simple to ignore or disable as it was vacuum operated, I thought it silly and only tried it a few times just to see how short it wanted you to shift .
-Nate
Driving a Corvette is on my bucket list. Owning one is on my lotto list.
The hillbilly in me wants to bolt a seat onto that drivetrain and take off. YeeeeHaw! 😉
Interesting (to me) how this is another example of the “buyer’s premium” seen at auctions (for cars and otherwise). In the world I know better, musical instruments, dealers will sell your guitar, etc. on consignment for about 15% (less for pricier things), but it’s the *consignor* who then pays the 15% to the dealer, rather than the buyer.
Well the reality is that as shown here it still comes out of the seller’s pocket. I know when I go to auctions with the buyers premium that I adjust my bid based on that premium. Now I guess there are some people out there who get caught up, bid it up to its value, and then realize they have to pay that extra x%.
Historical note: Running the driveshaft from a front engine to a rear transaxle is of course what the old “rope-drive” Pontiac Tempest did, back in 1961. Porsche picked up the idea in the ’70s for the 928 and the 924, which became the 944 and 968.
Good call. All too often the innovations from Detroit/Flint/ Dearborn/ South Bend are ignored.
Kenosha too! (Unibody construction, integrated AC, dual brake circuits, etc.)
Good to see you again!
Consignment is highly risky business. Glad it worked for you, but reality is they had your car/property in their possession, free.Too many what-ifs for me personally. Like vandalism, company bankruptcy, vehicle theft, wild test drives, and on and on…I’m not downing ya for doing it,…but jeesh…you got guts!
My son and I recently went to look at a prospective Chevy cruise on consignment…ad was all good, pictures all good, everything all good…we were going to test drive and likely buy it. BUT…once we met with the company rep, got the keys and opened the door, a massive odour of cigarette smoke hit us like a brick wall! The car/ad/ owner/was stated smoke free….But, while on consignment, it was in a garage where all the service employees smoked. Somehow, some lowly payed employee jockeying the cars around the lot, didn’t think anyone would notice the smell, cause he didn’t! He even rolled down the windows for the afternoon (rain or shine), to air out the car for prospective buyers…lol! We spoke with the owner and he thought we had bought it when we contacted him. To say he was upset with our revelation would be putting it mildly. What a wast of our time.
I appreciate learning how that skip-shift feature works. When these came out I remembered how the “upshift light” in my 85 GTI drove me nuts, so it is not surprising that enterprising owners found a workaround of the “feature”.
I hated this feature too. When I test drove an ’87 GLI, it was the only thing about the car I didn’t like. When I later took delivery on a GLI, the upshift light didn’t work. I was quite pleased! Every time I took the car in for service (which was frequent), I had to tell them NOT to fix the upshift light.
The upshift light was wired into the (expensive) dual function backup lamp switch. Just takes disconnecting one wire at the switch to turn the annoying arrow lamp off. The upshift light never worked on my ’86, but the backup lamps did, I was happy the arrow was turned off. I bought an ’87 Jetta awhile ago, it still has the upshift light functioning but no backup lamps, needs a new switch. I can’t bring myself to bog down the poor little engine that much to make the little arrow go away.
These were great cars. I remember when they came out how much of an improvement they were over the C4 cars. It was also a massive imrovement in interior space and ingress and egress for tall people like me. I have driven all generations of Corvette other than the C7, and this car was one of the most revolutionary in my opinion. The C7 and C6 are just an evolution of this C5 basic design.
I used to own a 1997 Corvette that I purchased new. It drove well and had decent power, got respectable gas mileage, but it suffered from typical poor quality GM materials. The worst being the interior. The cheap bonded leather seating was degrading on the bolsters in less than a year, the vinyl door panels along with the center console lid were delaminating. I had water leaks from the rear hatch and several electrical mechanical issues down the line. This was very dissapointing for a car costing over 50K. I sold the Corvette three years later for 2000 Porsche 911 that never gave me an issue.
Since you are looking into a C6(although the C5 will always be my favorite body style), may I recommend an LPE Corvette?
You want to scratch an itch? The LPE(Lingenfelter Performance Engineering) Corvette tunes into a STOCK-looking C6, packing a wallop of 427 cubic inches, and Garrison Twin Turbochargers under the factory “5.7L Corvette” engine covers.
U.S. EPA Fuel Economy Estimated at 15mpg city/24mpg Highway, these Vettes will pass an emissions test, making them street-legal, while avoiding the “Gas Guzzler” Tax.
Automatic 4-speed is the only transmission option, that I read about, but you may find one with a 6-speed in it.
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