Back when I used to actually get a newspaper, one of my favorite activities was to go through the Saturday automotive section and look at all of the ridiculously low lease deals being offered. I would dream about how I would handle being in a situation where I had little choice but to take advantage of one of those deals. It appeared that my “dreams” were about to come true.
After deciding against repairing our Grand Caravan, Carlo, we needed to act fast. We had just shelled out $1,200 to get out from under the Dodge and didn’t have much money left. I started halfheartedly looking at new minivans, as we could still qualify for a zero-down loan. In reality, with two kids in daycare and my wife still working part time, the $407-per-month payment – plus repairs – was killing us. As we started discussing it, we realized we hadn’t used the third row, or even stowed it, since we settled into our new house a year before. A smaller car, with a smaller payment, would certainly make life much easier.
We’d had nothing but good experiences with Shadow, our 2003 Pontiac Vibe, so I started focusing on the few redesigned models sold before Pontiac was shuttered. Since Carlo only had less than 18,000 miles left on his warranty when we bought him, the bulk of the five-year loan was outside of this period. I hated making payments on a vehicle that was out of warranty. This time around, if I was going to buy a used car, it was going to be on no more than a three-year note.
At the same time, I remembered all of those lease deals I used to see in the paper. Let me make one thing perfectly clear – I am no fan of leasing. I believe that leasing is best for businesses and people like my rich, retired uncle who likes driving new cars and doesn’t want the hassle of negotiating a trade-in. For most everyone else, I’ve seen too many situations where things ended badly. Either the commute changes and the mileage limit is exceeded, or the lease ends at the worst possible time, like right after a layoff. The most frightening situation was with the same family member to whom we gave Shadow. He continuously exceeded the mileage limit and rolled the fees into the next lease, which was why, at the time he went “away,” he was paying $411 per month to lease a rental-spec Altima S. The car already had 38k of the allotted 45k miles with 15 months left in the lease. Yikes. On the flip side, those who don’t drive nearly the amount of miles for which they’ve paid end up leaving money on the table.
However, just like there are situations where renting an apartment is a better option than buying a house, auto leasing also has its time and place for us regular folk. In reviewing my own personal situation, we were actually pretty good candidates for leasing:
- We were broke, but had two young children and required a dependable vehicle with modern safety features.
- Both my wife and I worked close to home in two different fields and were unlikely to both change jobs or get a transfer that required a longer commute. If one of us did, we could just swap cars.
- By the end of the lease, both kids would be out of daycare, and we’d be in a much better place financially, enabling us to again buy a car.
I started searching for good lease deals, and noticed an online ad for a 39 month lease on the new Chevrolet Cruze for $159 a month with $899 down. When I clicked on the ad for details, the down payment (cap-cost reduction) was actually listed as $0. I’m not sure whether or not this was a mistake, but, if necessary, I was going to hold them to it. Being partial to anything that’s not a shade of gray, we chose Imperial Blue Metallic as our desired color. We even watched that extended-length Chevrolet commercial, Hawaii Five-O, and I pointed out to my wife that Kono was driving the same car. She nodded approvingly.
Desiring not to be a bait-and-switch victim, I was determined to lease the $159 car if we chose that option. I found a dealer about an hour away that had both a 2009 Vibe for $10,997 and a 6-speed manual Cruze LS with the color listed as just “blue” and no pictures. We were helped by Linda, who I believe was an artist but was working in sales because she needed an income. I had her pull up the ad on her computer and pointed out the model I wanted to test drive. When she pulled the car around, it wasn’t the Imperial Blue Metallic we liked, but the Ice Blue Metallic that looked hideous in pictures but quite striking in person. We even let her come along on the test drive, since this was a lease so, who cares?
After the long drive to the dealer in Shadow, with his excessive engine and road noise and stiff ride, the Cruze was a revelation. Smooth and quiet with a slick-shifting transmission and seats that hugged you. It also had plenty of standard equipment for a base-model compact Chevrolet. This particular Cruze wasn’t a complete “ace of base,” to steal a line from TTAC. There were 3 options: audio controls on the steering wheel with Bluetooth, floor mats and a spare tire. This raised the payment to $165 per month, but it was worth it to me to have Bluetooth and a spare tire.
After arriving back at the dealer, Linda informed us that she had a customer coming in for an appointment. We told her to just give us the keys to the 2009 Vibe and we’d find it on the lot and test drive it ourselves. When we finally found it, the poor thing was clearly rode hard and put away wet. It only had 40,000 miles, but looked like it had a lot more. We could understand why it had been sitting on the lot for five months, with several small dents and scratches and a tired looking interior. On the test drive, it drove no different than Shadow, which was not surprising since it had the same engine and transmission. It was also just as loud and rode just as stiffly. My wife didn’t even want to take a turn driving.
So, we now had a choice between a hacked three-year-old Vibe (it was produced in early 2008) with no warranty for about $300 per month for three years or the brand new, much nicer, fully warrantied Cruze for $165 a month. We both agreed, while on the test drive in the Vibe, that in this situation leasing made much more sense.
We informed Linda that we’d like to lease the Cruze, and she looked at us with one of those surprised, “Well, that was easy” expressions. We had to wait to see the finance guy since they were extremely busy that weekend. When we finally sat down with him, he started talking about the down payment. After informing him that no down payment was required, we pointed him toward the website. After the shock wore off, he told us that he would need $1,500 from us for tax, tag, license and dealer fees. Having trouble believing that this added up to exactly $1,500, I asked for a breakdown of the charges. He had us go back to the waiting area while he pulled that information together, and said it might again be a while since he had other clients to see. As we were starving by this point, we took that opportunity to head down to Arby’s for “lupper.” When we got back, we waited for another half an hour, but had to get home since our sitter needed to leave.
When we asked if we could just come back the next day, the sales and general managers were dumbstruck. That would be breaking the cardinal rule of car sales – never let the customer leave until the papers are signed. After giving it some thought, the general manager said that if we could come back at 11:30 AM the next morning, he would give us a full tank of gas for the new car as well as Shadow. That worked for us, especially since leaving gave me a chance to run my own numbers for the costs due at signing.
We arrived back at our appointed time, and they had thoughtfully moved “Charlie” into the showroom for us. We sat back down with a different finance staff person than the previous day, and he started the conversation with, “So, we agreed on $1,500?” Here we go again. When I asked for a breakout of the charges, he turned his monitor around to show me, and up on the screen were a bunch of codes and numbers which told me nothing. I whipped out my spreadsheet, which included all of the required charges, prepaid sales tax*, and even their stupid $499 dealer fee. My total came out to $1,351.11. He brought in his manager, who looked at the spreadsheet, looked at me, and said, “Just give it to him.” After the papers were signed, one of the dealer staff helped connect my phone to Bluetooth, since this was our first experience with the technology, and went over the finer points of the car. We then drove Charlie right out of the showroom.
Re-reviewing the paperwork that night, I was stunned at how they ended up working this deal. Prior to the Great Recession, automakers and finance companies artificially inflated residuals in order to offer attractive lease deals and ended up stuck with millions of cars worth far less. In order to make this deal happen, Chevrolet and GM Financial cut the selling price of this car from around $17,450 to $14,200, resulting in what appeared to be an astonishingly low $8000 residual. The Cruze had just came on the market a few months prior, and there wasn’t yet much in the way of purchase incentives. Honestly, if I had bought the car outright, I don’t think I could have negotiated a deal this good.
Charlie ended up being a trusty but short-lived companion. Next week, with apologies to Paul Harvey, I’ll share the rest of the story.
My guess that half of the customers are “shills” friends and family strategically placed in the dealership to appear busy
No, GM was offering some awesome deals on this last weekend of February 2011. The dealer was having trouble handling the volume.
We did the same thing with leasing a few years back. When our kids were involved in all of the activities all the way through high school, we leased three cars one after the other. I have the same aversion to p!ssing away tons of money on cars, but we came to the realization that having a newer car, with a warranty was the best decision for reasons other than saving money.
As soon as the kids were finally out of high school, we went back to buying a car and coincidentally we still have that same car. I drove a series of beaters during that time, but I was largely lucky and none of them ever really cost me a lot of money or stranded me. IMO, the idea is to lease as long as you need it and not a minute more.
You’re right about the ice blue paint on these cars, it’s really very nice even for someone like me who prefers dark blue on his cars. I’ve never driven one of the 1.8L cars like this, I’ve got a fair amount of seat time in the RS and Eco models with the 1.4 turbo which were pretty decent little runners. The Cruze was kind of like the recent Dodge Dart, a little too big to be a compact, but awfully tight as an intermediate. We’ve discussed getting a Sonic RS hatchback as replacement for one of our cars, as the size seems “right”. We’ll see what happens after we adjust to our new normal…
My sister has a 2014 Cruze 2LT RS with the 1.4 Turbo and the 6-speed manual, and it’s a really nice powertrain. The additional torque is definitely helpful in the higher gears. The 1.8 with the manual, however, wasn’t bad at all.
We are currently finishing up the lease on our ’15 Fiesta, which replaced our financed ’13 Fiesta. The 2013 had so many issues that it actually used up the EXTENDED warranty loaner car allowance while it was still under new car warranty. With 200km left on the basic 3/60, and looking at another extended stay at the dealer for clutch/TCM/harness replacement after the car requiring a tow back to the dealer during the shop foreman’s test drive, we were stuck. Not able to secure regular financing, and with Ford Canada refusing to buy us out, we were forced to roll the resisdual into a high-dollar, high mileage lease on a brand new car with a private leasing company. So, almost 5 years into the deal, we have had NO issues with the ’15. We will begrudgingly pay the $2000 buyout, because the ’15 is still a fantastic little car, and we don’t want another payment.
A 5-year lease with a $2,000 buyout? That’s a new one for me.
You give your cars names?
Computers, too.
I name our computers, too. Right now, I’m typing my response on my laptop “Captain-Awesome.”
Another “Chuck” fan! This computer’s name is Devon because when we ordered it from NewEgg, the message that popped up after we hit “Purchase” said, “Awesome is on the way!”
That’s great! We loved Chuck and watched the entire series several times- though I always had a hard time watching the final episode. My big office desktop is “Strax,” the potato-like Sontaran commander from Dr. Who.
Yep, leasing can make sense financially or certainly from a security and peace of mind standpoint (priceless really). Makes less sense financially when used to just drive more than one could/should afford. Of course there are many factors people consider besides finances so not casting aspersions there.
We’ve leased a couple of times, mainly for the reasons you mentioned, but were sort of considering doing so again just to not have so much money tied up in a depreciating asset, however we have a business use case. Now that’s all on hold of course, funny how quickly externalities focus one on what’s really important.
Anyway, those Cruzes are still handsome cars to this day, and the interior wasn’t shabby either. Some are starting to show up at the junkyards but far fewer than equivalent aged or even newer Focuses. From a market competitiveness standpoint the Cruze was probably GM’s best effort yet as compared to the Cobalt and Cavalier when compared to its contemporary competition. Lots of C’s in that sentence, ha!
Leasing the Cruze was definitely the right choice, and you’ll find out next week why it was one of the best decisions we ever made.
This car was like the reverse of typical GM, where they introduce a completely botched car, improve it to the point where it’s popular, then cancel it. In this case, they hit it out of the park, botched the second generation, then canceled it due to lack of demand. I think they’ve done this a few times, but can’t think of any examples off the top of my head.
Yeah, I don’t know if you read my COAL or not on my 2016 Cruze Premier RS, but I found it to be tinny and unsatisfying, even if it did have plenty of gee-whiz features. It had none of the solidity of the first-generation model that you had, and the styling was quite a bit more juvenile.
My best friend and his husband had, at the time, a 2017 Volt that felt much more substantial (in a way that had nothing to do with the big Li-Ion battery). And the Volt was on the same D2XX platform as my Cruze. So I knew how good things *could* have been, and it was clear that GM cost-cut the hell out of the second-generation model.
I do remember reading that, and I just read it again. I know that GM, Ford and FCA are patting themselves on the back for discontinuing their low-margin cars for high-margin crossovers, but if we don’t recover from this economic downturn after the coronavirus passes, lines like “our entry-level crossover is just $19,999” is not going to cut it and even more people are going to gravitate to the Asian automakers.
What I’m saying is that if they could just engineer and build a high quality car, people will continue to buy them regardless of whatever the latest fad.
Not to mention that the subcompact crossovers are worse than the sedans they’re displacing. I’d much rather have a Focus (crappy transmission and all, which they rectified anyway) than an EcoSport.
I still have my 2012 Cruze Eco I bought in late 2011. Met my needs and exceeded my expectations.
The best small car Chevy ever sold.
True that.
The things you wrote about the leasing process illuminate some of the reasons I hate car dealerships: the games, the double-talk, the add-on fees. There has to be a better way. Oh yeah, Saturn tried that and we all know how that turned out. Anyway, sounds like you did the best job you could do, so good on ya, mate. I couldn’t but help notice the pile of snow in the background of the first photo…I guess “ice blue” was an appropriate color. The color also reminds me our Yaris’ “Zephyr Blue.” Looking forward to part 2!
Thanks Matt! It’s tricky, because if you can claw your way through the bullsh!t, there are some excellent deals to be had (like this one) that otherwise wouldn’t be possible in a one-price, no haggle model.
Yep, I understand that. It’s just not my thing. Some people enjoy the challenge, but I am not one of those people. Too bad you live so far away, I could hire you to negotiate my next car purchase!
I’ve had dealers play games with paperwork, lose a key or call me back in to renegotiate the payment (after I’ve signed the contract) because the finance company supposedly backed out. One even ‘lost my registration’ while I was test driving a new VW Golf and couldn’t find it, that was the latest attempt at dealer BS and I’ve never shopped at VW since, even though I’m sure that a turbo Golf would be an enjoyable ride. One reason I bought four Nissan’s in a row was that they didn’t do this stuff and were thoroughly professional every time but the last.
My experience buying my current car, a 2019 Cruze LS? Can’t complain a bit!
You will soon find out about my horrid experience with the local Volkswagen dealership; stay tuned.
I’ve never leased a car so some of these finance terms are a foreign language to me. But I certainly like the first gen Cruze, and I was especially intrigued by the briefly produced diesel. And I really like the color. However, my big takeaway from your story is how lucky we’ve been with new car warranties. Of the new cars my wife or I have owned:
1981 TransAm: two minor warranty issues.
1986 Ranger: zero issues until both powertrain and bumper to bumper were long expired.
1987 Mazda B2200: zero issues.
1993 Corolla: water pump replaced under warranty; early life failure.
2001 New Beetle: several issues, though more pre-emptive recalls than warranty fixes.
2008 Prius: zero warranty issues, or any issues in the first 140K miles, then water pump.
2016 Tacoma: one blown fuse which I could have easily fixed myself, otherwise nothing except 2 recall or TSB items in 75K miles. I was actually concerned about the complexity of this truck compared to previous vehicles and bought a 100K bumper-to-bumper extended warranty which looks like it will be a waste of money (knock on Dynoc).
Our issue is that we purchased a vehicle (Grand Caravan) with a known history of issues without an extended warranty, which we couldn’t afford at the time anyway. Not the best move but a good life lesson. All of our other vehicles, with the exception of the Nova, have been very reliable.
If you haven’t already exceeded the mileage, you should cancel that 100K-mile warranty for whatever pro-rated amount you can get. You won’t be needing it.
Great write-up on the Cruze w/1.8L normally aspirated with the (6) spd manual transmission!. For at least six months, I have been looking at m.t.,non-turbo- Cruze sedans for sale in the midwest. I have a 2014 and a 2011spotted nearby, (identical to Adam’s 2011), but will wait until late the 4th quarter to make my cash offer on any that are available locally or via fly in-drive home. Once bought, I plan to spend $2-3.5K to renew, repair, refinish and drive it until…well we all know that scenario. The Sonic hatchback in LT trim w/1.8L (5) spd would also be ideal ride. On the down side, when I Googled: (2014)- (2011) Cruze:: problems, complaints:: defects ::, the graphs related to frequency-of-problems, can be scary. Can’t wait for Pt 2. Thnx!
the only thing i didn’t like about the 1.8 is that it has a timing belt vs. a timing chain on the 1.4 Turbo. However, those early 1.4T’s were trouble prone.
Agreed! Turbo versions were troublesome for many reason. Even the 2016-2017 run of 1.4L (138 hp) motors made in Mexico had a high number of spontaneous engine failures,some after warranty expired, due to pistons that not able to withstand turbo heat n pressure, For 2018 the cracked piston problem was solved with a redesigned, stronger piston. No more engine replacement due to scored cylinder walls. The 1.8L Eastern European made motor used a vastly improved, 100K miles, belt as did the Gen 2 Aveos (2009-2011). Gen 1 (2004-2008) rated at 60K miles. Sadly the 1.8L was discontinued at end of 2018 production.The last Cruz was a 2019.I believe the hatchback was available only from 2017-2019. I would love to have the Cruze HB with the earlier 1.8L, (6) spd manual trans. Really want to know what happened to your 2011. That Cruze would make a perfect urban runabout to save W&T on our(6) spd truck and (6) spd suv, neither of which get > 21mpg, even when econo-planied where possible. Rarely, I have seen a 2016-2018 Sonic LT,hatchback with the 1.8L (5) spd. It is also on my watch list.
My friend Denise has a 2011 Cruze LZ with all the bells and whistles she could desire, it even has a sunroof and leather. It has 140 something thousand on it, but in the three months she’s had it, not one issue has appeared. She loves it.
Leasing does make sense for people who don’t want to keep a car long term, and that the sales tax is paid for month by month is appealing, especially when considering having to write a check to the DMV for over $1,000 (Arkansas charges 6.5%) when a new car purchased the conventional way is licensed.
“Leasing does make sense for people who don’t want to keep a car long term.”
I would add the caveat that the person must also be 100% certain that their life situation is NOT going to change during the term of the lease. How many people – aside from my rich, retired Uncle Joe – can say that? Most people can’t for the reasons I stated in the post.
I liked the Cruze when it came out and test drove an ECO 6 speed. It was fun and the shifter/clutch action was honda precise. I really considered getting one back when I had a 2 kid family but by the time the next car was ready for replacement we were expecting a 3rd so we got an Odyssey.
Oh to the OP I liked your grand caravan post. I’ve always had a soft spot for the chrysler minivans but didn’t go with them because at the time we were shopping they didn’t have 3 seats in the 2nd row and we didnt’ want to have to climb back and forth to the 3rd row every time we had to go somewhere. I also considered a used voyager wayyy back when I had 1 kid but passed and got a Grand Marquis instead cuz the voyager rusted out underneath. The owner lived on a beach and years of being exposed to salty air wreaked havoc on the poor van.
Thanks! You made the right choice with the Odyssey.
The car was not an “Ace of Base,” so you saw the sign, and it opened up your eyes, I suppose.
Our last 2 Minis were leases, but we were the kind of people as you mentioned that were leaving money on the table. When we turned the second one in, it was 3 years old, in like-new shape, and had 8500 on the odometer. We bought our last car (Still have a note, but it’s about the same the Mini lease payment was.)
I hate it when financial gurus talk about leasing a car like it’s the absolute worst thing you could ever do, like you proposed switching your entire retirement account to Beanie Babies.
First, some people in some jobs really need a new, fancy car to project an image of success. I’m an attorney, and although I don’t care what I drive, a lot of clients do and depending on what you’re doing, they may legitimately make a hire decision on thinking, he has a new AMG mercedes, he must be successful, or he’s still driving a 7 year old Taurus, we need someone who has been more successful. I’m also not dealing with an out of warranty BMW/Audi/Mercedes.
All those financial gurus say the best bet is to buy a two-three year old used car, but A) you tried that, and it didn’t turn out so hot, and B) most of those cars are off rentals which lead very hard lives. I bet all the financial gurus are driving brand new cars and they have minions take it in when it requires service, so they don’t know how unpleasant this can be.
Leasing is just very math dependent. Let’s assume you decided to buy this car instead of lease it, and Because GM Rebates, you bought it at the 14,200 price and financed it for 60 months at 4 percent with nothing down. You’d end up with a payment of $261.51 and a finance charge of $1,491. Let’s say you kept the car for 7 years, which is about as long as I think anyone can reasonably keep something like a Chevy Cruze, and at the end of 7 years sold it for $3000. You’d have spent around 12,700 on the car (assuming nothing but normal maintenance and no repairs) which over 84 months is 151.19/month. That’s $8 less than your lease payment over 84 months, and you constantly have a new car and don’t have to deal with the uncertainty of repairs.
I’d spend $8/month more to not have to worry about those things and constantly have a new car IF that were an option for me. It’s very math dependent, but not this HUGE financial abyss.
I know a few real estate people who are in the same boat, and also lease for the same reasons.
Of course, there are a lot of “ifs” in that scenario, meaning leasing is the better deal “if” everything worked out as you stated. All I’m saying is that leasing is probably a bad idea for most people, mainly for the reasons stated in the story. If you purchase a car, at least you have the option to trade it in after 3 years or keep it. You can also purchase the car at the end of the lease, but if you just lost your job, you’re not going to qualify for any kind of financing. Now you have no job AND no car.
@ Adam, all that is true but 99% of the time, if you try to trade in a car after 3 years, you’ll be upside down and have to either write a check or do what is being done now and roll it over so you can now owe on several cars at once! Fun!
You can purchase the car at the end of the lease, and frequently negotiate a better price than what the residual is. It just is very . . . math dependent. A lot of times the finance company doesn’t really want the car back. If you lost your job now you’re in a different situation, but I’m just saying that at the decision point, leasing may NOT be a bad decision mathematically the way it’s usually portrayed.
The buy vs lease discussion is interesting. I have never leased, but looking back, it would have made more financial sense than some of the purchase decisions I actually made. As in all things, it seems the best lease deals are on what is not selling well at a given time, so if you are willing to drive something that is not trendy or popular, there are deals to be had.
I have not really known much about these, but they seem to have developed a good reputation. And I love the color.
I bought a ’12 KDM Cruze in Korea for cash and a trade-in of a ’04 Lacetti, the Cruze’s
predecessor. Here are both cars on handover day in April, ’14.
Bought with 36,000 kms, now has 71,000 (I drive daily, but not far).
It’s the NA 1.8 with a 6-speed auto. While vastly superior to the Lacetti, it wasn’t problem free.
The low mileage doesn’t allow me to judge high mileage reliability, but it’s had 2 IMHO inexcusable failures in that time.
A failed coil pack right after the warranty expired resulted in a 3-cylinder “limp-in” ,
and 3 summers ago, on the hottest day in years, a christmas tree of warning lights
co-incided with a trans stuck in a very high (I assume 4 of 6) gear. Attempts to manually select a lower gear were for nought.
It would barely move and trying to drive it would have surely resulted in cooked converter.
It went in on a hook where a scan revealed failed front ABS sensors and a shift-lever issue. The trans issue resolved itself while cooling on the lot, and hasn’t done so since.
Still haven’t taken it in for the Takata airbag recall, yet.
Hello fellow CT’er! I remember looking at a Cruze eco at Ingersoll around the same time and was amazed at how well put together it seemed (esp. compared to a Cobalt)
Very funny! The Cobalt was how NOT to do a compact car, or the complete reverse of the Cruze. It’s just sad how the second generation looked so generic.