It is important that we take a quick stop and understand the history of how my next car came into my possession. In the fall of 2012, my dad picked up a 1998 Dodge Intrepid ES for less than$500 from his good friend Tony. The car ran great and had 285,000 miles on it. Tony purchased it from the original owner, who was a traveling salesman. However, after a couple of months, he sold it to my dad, as the car had a tendency to overheat, which he could not figure out. My dad took a gamble and put it into daily service. The 3.5L engine ran great and proved to be good on fuel. It soon racked up lots of miles, as he traveled all over Eastern Iowa and Wisconsin for work. It became a goal to get the Intrepid to 300K.
The overheating problem was never really addressed. If the car did not idle for more than a minute, it would not overheat. However, leading up to Christmas 2012, there were multiple incidents where the Intrepid puked all of its coolant in not-ideal spots. If I recall, my mother had to come to the rescue in all of these incidents. This was not the highlight of her day. Over Christmas break 2012, my Fiero was ready for me to drive, but for whatever reason, I drove the Intrepid to pick up my youngest sister from an early dismissal from school for abnormally cold weather. As I sat in the pickup lane at her school, I was watching the coolant gauge to make sure I did not overheat the car. Well, I did not watch it close enough, because the Intrepid puked all of its coolant before it was my turn to get my sister. I ditched the car, grabbed my sister and we walked to the public library, where we had to wait for a couple of hours for my mom to come to get us. That night, my mom told my dad to get rid of the Intrepid and get something more reliable.
The next day was Saturday, and my dad and I went into town and retrieved the Intrepid. We had errands to run in Iowa City, so as we drove, we discussed what we could replace the Intrepid with. We were very close to the local Dodge dealership. My dad pulled in and asked what I thought about the very-new Dodge Dart. They had only been out for a couple of months, but initial reviews were positive. He and I both liked the styling and the fact they came with a 6-speed manual and were advertised to get 40 mpg! What could be wrong with an Italian post-bankrupt Dodge? The dealership happened to have a white SXT model with the Fiat 1.4L Turbo and 6-speed manual. After a test drive, my dad asked what they would give him for trade on the Intrepid. The dealer went out to look at the car. He came in and said he could not believe the thing had 295k! He offered my dad $300 for the car. A deal was struck and we went home to show mom the latest purchase.
My mom was surprised when we got home, but this was not the first (or last) time something like this happened with my dad. My dad told her that she said to get something more reliable. My mom did not think he would purchase a new car, but nevertheless, she agreed having a newer vehicle around would be nice. The Dart then joined the fleet and became my dad’s traveling car. It served him for three years, and he racked up many miles driving all over the midwest. My dad liked the Dart for its ride and handling, and most importantly, the 40+ mpg he was able to get in it.
In the fall of 2015, I am completing my last semester at college. I have accepted a job as a manufacturing engineer in Holland, MI, for an automotive lighting supplier. I have no connection to Holland, MI, thus I would be moving to a foreign land all on my own. A reliable car was going to be my first big purchase post-school. At this point, the Dart had close to 40k on it. My dad does not keep a vehicle for much more than a couple of years and is getting the itch to get something different. He offered the Dart to me for a great deal, and over Thanksgiving break 2012, I went down to my local credit union and signed my first car loan.
I had three criteria for my next vehicle; working cruise control, AC, and a trunk that could fit a laundry basket. All things I did not have with the vehicles I had been driving for the last couple of years of school. During the three years my parents owned the Dart, I got a fair amount of seat time in it when I would come home from breaks. When they first got it, I really liked the car. I liked the styling (still do), the features, the throaty sound of the Fiat engine, and how it drove. However, after spending more and more time with the car, it always felt like there was something missing. The Dart was not tossable or eager to be revved like the Saturn. It did not have the no-frills charm of the Trooper. It was not a bad car, it just seemed like the Chrysler team had all the right pieces to make a great compact car, but each team forgot to talk to each other, and as a result, the final product left you wanting more.
However, the deal was too good to pass up, so off I went to Michigan to start my real job. The Dart served me well in the two years I owned it. Moving to west Michigan, I was a little fearful about this thing called “lake effect snow.” As a result, I bought a set of Michelin Blizzak WS-80 tires. Oh my goodness, they were wonderful! Much breath and print has been wasted on the benefits of snow tires, which I will not do here, other than state, if you have never driven in bad snowy weather on snow tires, they can quickly transform any car, as well as convert even the most obstinate person towards seeing the benefit of snow tires. This was the case with the Blizzak’s, as they made the thing unstoppable in the snow. These made me a convert, and I have been running snow tires on my primary cars since then.
Over the model years, Dodge kept changing the model trims and option packages to attract more sales. As a result, each year saw different trim levels and equipment. My Dart was an early build, so it had some odd trim packaging. Mine was a mid-level SXT trim. It came with all the power features (windows, locks, mirrors, etc), no fancy “Race Track tail lights,” alloy wheels, cruise control (which was an option in 2013), the Bluetooth package (U-Connect), and the mentioned Fiat 1.4L Multi-Air turbo motor with the Fiat-sourced 6-speed manual.
The engine was the biggest source of joy and complaint in the car. If you started the car in a garage, you would quickly hear the throaty noise of the Multi-Air motor as it came to life. “Woah,” you would think. “This thing sounds great, I bet it’s a blast to drive!” You see, even though this was the same setup as the Fiat 500 Abarth, the setup in the Dart was tuned for the ever-important 40 mpg, and as a result, it could make the Dart frustrating to live in the day-to-day world.
Around town, the 6-speed manual was notchy and sometimes did not like to shift into second gear. The motor was very laggy and often felt gutless unless it was spooled up past 3,0000 rpm. The entire drive train could be very frustrating. Driving it around town ruined this car for me. However, once you had the Dart out on the highway, it truly shined. The Alfa-borrowed chassis was a delight for highway driving. The car drove like a “big” car; a compliment, as it felt composed over road imperfections. The turbo engine shined here, as when needing more power for passing, it would deliver and never make you feel like the car was underpowered. All in all, the entire power train was frustrating, as there were times when the car could be an absolute delight, and then most other times when it would leave you frustrated.
When my dad purchased the car, it was the first vehicle for my parents that was equipped with hands-free Bluetooth for your phone. Remember, this was the early days of Bluetooth in vehicles. As a result, most systems sucked. At the time, I had read that Chrysler’s U-Connect was pretty easy to use. One day my dad came home from work frustrated. We asked him why and his response was “I cannot figure out how to use Bitchin’ Betty in the Dart.” The name Bitchin’ Betty, or just Betty, stuck as the nickname for the car.
I had the Dart for two years. In my time I put just a hair over 35,000 miles on it. The car was advertised to get over 40 mpg on the highway. This was a rare case where it was easy to get better than the advertised fuel economy. This was the Dart’s biggest strength. My dad and I were always surprised at how the Dart liked to sip fuel. Going 550+ miles on a single tank was never a challenge for the Dart. However, the Multi-Air only could and would drink premium fuel, which was a real minus in my books.
Chrysler has had a poor reputation for build quality and durability over the long run. My parents are Ford people, but over the years they did have a string of Chrysler products. They had two Town & Country’s (2001 and 2005). The 2001 was a great van, so much, my parents went out and purchased a new 2005 with the nifty Stow’N’Go seating system. The 2005 had this weird issue where below freezing temperatures, the power locks would not work. No one could figure out why that was.
Well, the Dart had a similar issue. During my ownership, below freezing temperatures, the entire instrument cluster would randomly not work. Power cycling the car would sometimes and sometimes not do the trick. Sometimes when you turned left, “Bitchin’ Betty” would chime on and say “U-Connect ready.” During my two years, all four coil packs managed to fail prematurely. Something not mentioned in the service section of the manual to watch out for.
The small turbo motor took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to heat up. Not a problem with the car per se, but just an annoyance. My biggest issue with the car had to do with (again) the drive train. Only on really hot and humid days would this issue happen, but one that aggravated me. In all three times, I was sitting at a stop light trying to make a left turn. I was stopped, had the AC on, and was trying to shoot through busy traffic. I saw a gap in traffic, and I quickly put my foot to the accelerator. Problem was, even though my foot was pushing the accelerator down, the car would go into a “limp-like” mode and would only want to creep. All three times, I was convinced I was going to get T-boned but managed to escape near death. It was such an odd experience and one that made me question the car. It never happened to my dad or could be replicated when brought into the dealer.
In the fall of 2017, I was starting to get a bad taste of Chrysler in my mouth. I really wanted to like the Dart, but as I mentioned above, it just felt like all the right pieces were there, but there was just something missing. My dad had changed jobs and no longer needed a traveling car for work. He had replaced the Dart with something that was more sophisticated, reliable, and better built. He always like the Dart, so we decided to do a trade, plus cash for his car. He took the Dart back and only had it for a couple of months before he decided to part ways with it.
The Dart was a big flop for Chrysler, which is a true shame. I really wanted them to succeed with this car, but they could never figure out the powertrains in these cars. If they managed to do that, maybe the Dart would have been a success for them. Side note, writing this article made me realize that this car was purchased almost a decade ago! I remember it like yesterday when it was bought. The saying is very true; the days are long, but the years are short!
Nice looking economy car. Effectively Fiat Tipo but with an American flavor. Tipo s are selling well in some European markets such as Portugal. Mid size car for base Fiesta money you see. Over the channel in Britain they just sit on dealer lots for months.
I rented a bright orange Dodge Dart in 2013. Well-styled, good handling, nice interior, and lazy acceleration, with the base engine.
It appears, that since Chrysler’s renaissance era of the mid 1990s, it has been a corporate imperative to present products with strong, modern styling, as a primary sales tool. Why the Dart looked so good. Helping mask and overcome, their reputation for inferior quality, and lessor long-term durability, compared to leading competition.
Former builder of Darts in Belvidere. Lots of innovative details but they seemed to leave out Reliability. Currently have the 1.4L in a Fiat 500, non turbo. Does OK, but plenty of horror stories on it. Family had a 2014 Dart 2.0L & auto, decent car. 1st application on laser welding on body parts. Peel back the weather strip on the door window openings, you will see little 1 inch wavy lines, those are the welds. Does well, will be the future of body building. Lots of die cast aluminum suspension pcs, questionable long term. Have seen a broken rear control arm after hitting a pothole in the cold. HATE the lug bolt wheels. For noise reduction put mastic pads inside the doors & fenders, but were told they needed a clean surface. Engineering said no, they are fine as is. After 2 yrs & finding hundreds in the paint shop dip tanks that fell off & created paint problems, they were pulled for ‘cost reduction’. The 2.4L & 6 speed was decent, never saw the promised turbo version for the KittyHawk, as the Dart & 200 met an demise.
I had a problem with the lug bolts on my car once. The tire shop over-torqued them during the new tires being installed. The next time I had the wheels off for swapping with winter tires/wheels, half of the lug bolts were necked down and had to be pitched. Unfortunately, I found this out the hard way after two broke off in the hub of the car.
You didn’t mention how the drivers seat was AWFUL and gave you so much back pain!
Fun fact: the Dart is the technically the newest Dodge product redesign-wise even in 2022, despite having been killed in 2016. (The Durango and Charger were introduced in 2011 and the Challenger in 2008 – obviously they have all been facelifted and gotten Hellcats since then.) And while the Dart wasn’t a success, its platform-mate the non-Grand Cherokee sold well – unfortunately the whole Belvidere plant will be closing soon.
I remember being excited when these came out – these seemed like the last piece to (finally) catapult Chrysler into a major factor in the US auto market. And then these fell to the ground with a thud.
I have decided that the one thing in a car that outweighs everything else for me is the drivetrain. I can deal with lots of shortcomings, but if the drivetrain doesn’t work for me the car becomes an unpleasant nag that I want to be rid of. This is not the first place I have read that the powertrains in these Darts were not great to live with. Which is too bad, because the rest of the car seemed pretty nice.
I have the same problem on my 2005 Crossfire. Put the accelerator to the floor and it goes into limp home mode. Definitely forces you to drive less aggressively. The world might be a better place if all cars worked like this.
So many things to ponder in this post.
1. Great highway running but frustrating around town.
2. 40 MPG! Terrific, but probably the cause of issue number one (in one way or another).
3. Attractive small sedan with interesting motor; that interior shot looks like fun (was the shift knob standard?)
4. OK, white seats in a white car, understandable as a cleaning issue, but don’t we all gripe about interiors being just black or grey? Let’s file this under “beware-of-what-one-wishes-for”.
5. 2013 was when I finally had to let go of the 13 year old 5-speed PT Cruiser. So I knew Chrysler could build reliable and well driving smallish vehicles. When I first saw the Dart I had hopes that Chrysler would finally find success in the small sedan form (the PTC was actually a truck). As you noted, all the parts and pieces were there, it was sad they were not successful in concert.
6. Your dad’s Intrepid was the same as our late and not lamented Eagle Vision TSi. Just about the only thing that worked well in that car was the 3.5 (timing belted) engine. Most components under, behind, over, or attached to that engine failed, fell apart, or fell off.
7. Snow tires. This should be common wisdom, but alas it is not. One reason might be that when it snows, people like I plan to stay home. When I must go out, the Tacoma’s 6 foot bed full of heavy snow, 9.1 inches of ground clearance, new Michelin Defender tires, and 4WD, do seem to work as intended. So far; so good (fingers crossed).
Thank you for this COAL; lots to think about here.
7. Snow tires. This should be common wisdom, but alas it is not.
Having grown up in Kalamazoo, I am all too familiar with the “lake effect”, but it is even worse on the lakeshore, where Holland is.
When my VW wagon was due for new skins, I bought new alloy wheels too. Having the steelies I had taken off, started the thought of buying a set of snows. Started sniffing round eBay and found a set of used Dunlops, close by, already mounted on the correct size VW steelies. Snapped them up in a hot second.
Metro Detroit only gets half, or less, of the snow the lake effect belt gets, and I am now retired, so don’t *need* to go out if the driving is bad. The snows have proven their effectiveness more than a few times anyway. Veteran’s Day of 2019 dawned with some 6+ inches of new snow on the roads. I went out for lunch anyway. My front drive VW was unstoppable with the snows on it.
1.4L? Oh pleease! I have ridden motorcycles with a bigger engine!
Times have changed. My 1.8 litre Golf makes 240 hp and 285 lb/ft.
The Fiat 1.4 turbo is a great motor, the snarls it makes are totally fun.
This powertrain combo was largely figured out by the time it went into the Renegade and 500x (2015-2018). I have three of them, and they are fantastic cars, totally under-rated (I have 2 – 2018 Renegades and 1 – 2018 Fiat 500x, the ONLY one made with the 6-speed, sunroof, sport rims and beats audio). You needed to upgrade the wheels and tires on these cars to the optional 18 ir 17in rims, the you got the good tires too. FCA was the only company that allowed you to pick and choose the options on those base cars and you could get what you wanted!
One of my friends has a 2015 renegade with this combo with 115k miles and no problems. So far my 3 have also had no problems – maybe it’s the Melfi plant where they are made, supposedly (at the time) the cleanest and most modern plant in the FCA infrastructure. The Renegade is transformed with that powertrain, that fantastic 1.4 engine sings in that car. Such cars with never again be made, that era is OVER.
The Dart seemed to have the worst ad campaign imaginable. “Keep your hands off my Dart”? Who in their right mind would tell people to keep their hands off a car they were trying to sell?
If I run into Marchionne in the hereafter, I want to ask him why they split production, Dart at Belvidere and the 200 in Sterling Heights. In the later years, 200 sales were so low that SHAP was closed as much as it was open. If I was running FCA at the time, I think I would have had the Dart and 200 both built at SHAP, and add the Ottimo hatchback, as offered in the Chinese market, as the Fiat version, so those stores had another unique product, beside the 500. Maybe, between the three versions, they would have enough volume to run SHAP at an efficient rate.
The Ottimo instrument cluster. Box stock Dart, except for the Fiat badge on the wheel.
What’s in a name? In the case of the last Dodge Dart, a lot. I’m convinced it would have sold much better with a different name. I mean, c’mon, Dart? Although mostly remembered as the Dodge version of the venerable Valiant, not exactly exciting or with a lot of brand-equity. A Mustang, it’s not.
Then there’s the car, itself. I suspect that the author’s experience was pretty much typical. I recall that in comparison reviews with other vehicles in its class, the Dart almost always ended up near the bottom. The worst thing was it didn’t stand out in any given category, except maybe for excellent fuel mileage. Even that came with the caveat of needing premium fuel. Everywhere else, it was just average, which included good ‘ole Chrysler/FCA’s less than stellar quality/reliability reputation.
So, it was one of the first casualties when major auto companies began thinning out their small cars. The littlest Dart didn’t have a lot going for it, and sales reflected that, so it was no surprise when Marchionne gave it the axe in 2016. Seems rather prescient since, today, almost all of the domestic small car nameplates have vanished, with the only choices remaining are from the Pacific Rim, VW, or a Chevy Bolt EV.
I thought Marchionne was nuts when he axed the Dart/200, but, turns out he was right, and years ahead of the competition. As the FCA product was substandard, the decision was probably easier to make. I particularly like the looks of the 200. Why they didn’t expend a little extra effort to make the cars work well, is a good question.
What’s in a name?
Why not Dart. We old phartz remember the Darts of the 60s and 70s. The only other Dodge name that comes to mind would be Neon, which would bring to most people’s mind a car smaller than that last Dart.
Did you notice, the Turkish built Fiat Tipo is offered in Mexico as a Neon? Somehow, I found an article by, iirc, Bob Lutz, explaining the cost to federalize the Tipo would be prohibitive. Of course, offering the Tipo/Neon here would fight FCA’s ambition to be all trucks, all the time.
If you think this drive train was on-off, you should have driven a 500L with this engine and the automated-manual transmission. Really bi-polar.
a 500L with this engine and the automated-manual transmission. Really bi-polar.
iirc, the L was only offered in the US with the Fiat automated manual for one year. The experience was so bad that Fiat switched to a conventional automatic for the next year.
It was well more than one year. The 500L was first sold in the US in MY 2013. My rental was a 2015 and still had it. At the time of my rental, it had just recently been announced that the 6-speed Aisin automatic was now available on higher trim versions, but that the automated manual was still being installed in the base trim version. Presumably that went away not too long after.
So, more like about three years, or a bit more.
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/new-cars/cc-rental-car-review-fiat-500l-the-unholy-popemobile-or-fix-it-again-sergio/
Paul, your information is better than what I read some years ago. I have never driven an L. Sat in one at the show downtown one year. Noticed that the pad in the bottom of a storage cubby had come unglued, so handed it to the “product specialist” standing nearby.
Paul beat me to it. I also rented a 500L for a week while my car was in the body shop. That thing shifted like a Bic lighter, it was either on or off but that also could have been my frustration coming out on the car. My biggest beef were the brakes as they were hyper sensitive and very rear biased. Not something one wants to find out about during a snow storm. After two days I called the rental company and pleaded with them to get me into something different. They said everything was booked and that it would be five days before I could swap vehicles. Five days later I swapped it for a Dodge Dart and it was the exact opposite and a very pleasant experience.
Five days later I swapped it for a Dodge Dart and it was the exact opposite and a very pleasant experience.
Maybe that would have been the trick to make the Dart seem nice? Make everyone drive an 500L first?
I don’t know why they didn’t drop the L the moment the X became available. The 500X Yacht Club edition sort of catches my eye, but they want 35 Grand for them, and I’m not enthusiastic about having a soon-to-be-orphan.
I don’t know why they didn’t drop the L the moment the X became available
Have you looked at sales figures for both? Because no doubt dealers needed anything they could get their hands on in an attempt to sell something; the X from debut through 2021 has moved only approximately five thousand more units than the L did in total. The X, a vehicle in a crazy hot segment, has only cracked more than 10,000 units a year once (its first). They only dropped wildly from there. The dismal market performance of the X makes the mini-MPV L’s sales a success by comparison.
Have you looked at sales figures for both?
I was watching the sales numbers at the time, but I went back to the year end reports to double check.
Calendar 2016: 500L 3,118, 500X 11,712
Calendar 2017: 500L 1,664. 500X 7,665
Calendar 2018: 500L 1,413 500X 5,223
Calendar 2019: 500L 771. 500X 2,518
Calendar 2020: 500L 475. 500X 1,443
Calendar 2021: 500L 190. 500X 1,181
When I was at the Detroit show in 19, each make of FCA cars had a license plate with a hashtag for additional information. I realize the term Fiat used does have two possible meanings, but I usually associate the word with one of those meanings.
Sadly, the Dart never had a chance. FCA fumbled the rollout of the Dart. Produce the manual transmission versions first and dole them out to the dealers first? There go 90% of the initial sales right off the bat. MY favorite goof was the initial 2013 Dart brochure touting the never-to-be-released R/T version. I can imagine someone going “Lookie here-it’s on of dem ‘DarRTs’….”.
I really did want a Dart. I had a couple of friends who bought their Darts new. They had no complaints. Sadly, the compact sedan market evaporated and Sergio 86’d the Dart (and Chrysler 200) in 2016…….one year before I was able to finally get something new, I had wanted to buy a Dart brand new, just to be yet another of a long line of old guys in their 50’s walking into their nearest Dodge dealership and buying one new. (just like my Grandpa years earlier). I emded up buying a base Jeep Renegade Sport fwd (since traded a couple of years ago for a new 2020 Dodge Challenger GT). The Renegade had the MulitAir1.4/6-speed combo. It was a blast to drive. I stuck an Abarth badge on the hatch-I always liked watching people scratch their head seeing an Abarth badge on a Renegade. I’d tell them “This is the box the Abarth came in” But I digress….
The poor Dart really got lambasted in the press. I remember Car and Driver’s 2013 comparison test on a Dart versus the Ford Focus. Man, did they ever nitpick and snivel about the Dart’s interior trim looking “cheap”, meanwhile the Focus got a pass on crappy assembly quality and for having an interior that was less roomy than the Dart. CD was “surprised” that the Dart could keep up with the Focus at the test track. Jeez….
The Dart always was a set of performance tires and an aftermarket shifter away from fun-to-drive daily driver status in my humble opinion. Too bad the market and people’s preconceived notions tanked the Dart’s chances.
Just because FCA stopped making the Dart doesn’t mean that you couldn’t have bought a new one. So far in 2022 there have been at least 4 people who drove home in a “brand new” Dart. https://www.motor1.com/news/614059/dodge-dart-q3-2022-sales/
the never-to-be-released R/T version
All that happened here is they changed the model name to GT before the car went on sale; there is no discernible omissions between the two besides different badging.
They also made a limted run of 500 Mopar edtion Darts. I actually saw one for sale on a used car lot near me a couple months ago.
I am happy your car didn’t kill you when it went into limp mode. These events are terrifying.
I had a 1984 Yamaha XJ750RL which would bog down at the worst possible times, like left turns across traffic. After the second time it did this, I sold it immediately. The previous owner had sold it to me for the same reason. Caveat emptor.
My 2006 Pontiac Wave had a PCM fail when I was doing a left across West Broadway at Yukon in Vancouver, an, ahem, rather busy place. By the grace of god I wasn’t made flat like a pancake by a 5 tonne truck. Then the replacement failed on the way back from the dealership. That was the end of that car.
None of my cars have since tried to kill me. This is a good thing.
I could never figure out why Toyota put exactly the same barbell style taillights on the Corolla in later years, when Dodge had already claimed that style on these.
I had a neighbour down the street who, at the time these were new, had two of them, both in the same colour. He has moved on long ago, but it was a unique sight to see.
Great writeup, very readable.
The Dart is the biggest success of “The Sweater” era. The entire reason that this car existed was to gain the federal government’s final 5% interest in Chrysler.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/fiat-increases-stake-in-chrysler-as-2013-dodge-dart-hits-magic-40-mpg-number-153255/
There is an old saying, Good, Fast, or Cheap pick two. Because of the deadline to get that US built 40mpg car to market, fast was the primary objective. Missing that deadline would have meant total failure. Because small cars have not traditionally been profitable in the US the second objective was cheap. The real profit center was that last 5% interest.
Shortly after the intro ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gogQLQNrDds debuted a thread popped up on the forum for the Robotics program I’m involved with, noting the similarities to what we do.
Many of the volunteers in the program are engineers and many of those from the MI area are automotive engineers for the “big 3” and their suppliers. It didn’t take long until an embedded systems engineer on the project chimed in with these words.
“The Dart is the first car which is the product of our reformed Chrysler/Fiat combined company. The timing on this project required us to change most of the rules of how we develop vehicles: better, faster, leaner, etc.
It was like an 18 month FRC build season.
Lots of work, lots of fun, lots of caffine :slight_smile:”
“It was not a bad car, it just seemed like the Chrysler team had all the right pieces to make a great compact car, but each team forgot to talk to each other, and as a result, the final product left you wanting more.”
The reality is pretty much the exact opposite. Because of the timeline much of the bureaucracy was put aside and the engineers doing the actual work interacted much more directly. There simply wasn’t the time to run it up one chain and down the other.
It all comes down to a lack of resources, specifically time and budget. That is also the reason why the 6sp cars were so common on the lots. It wasn’t because the marketing and product planning people had a say in the product mix, it was because the engineers said this is the one that is ready to go to production now.
Slice & dice a Fiat Punto, rearrange the pieces and this is what you get or a 500 or a small Jeep.
True. In 2017′ I finally was in a position to buy something new to replace my 2008 Ram 1500 (*bought new). I originally wanted to get a Challenger but couldn’t make my finances stretch to buy one. I would have to find something more affordable. The Dart I wanted was the 2016-only Dart Turbo. None were left in dealer inventory regionally in the summer of 2017. One local dealer had a fire-sale price on the Renegade that I purchased. (*my new car buying M.O.-.buy when they have discounts and rebates, have a paid off trade-in to trade in, and have some cash down). I had the Renegade for 3 years. In that time, my financial situation improved, I had paid the Renegade off, and bought a new left-over 2020 Challenger GT in March 2021.
Like you, I grew up in a small rural community, in Pennsylvania. Unlike you, I went to college in a major city and have lived in major cities since, by choice. Different strokes for different folks.
I have a fair amount of driving time on one of these. In 2013 my father bought one brand new (still has it), almost identical spec except for grey paint.
I share most of your comments on it. These were surprisingly good cars in many ways, much more refined on the highway than the sentra, focus, elentra, and even the corrola (haven’t driven a similar gen civic) the only thing that felt as good in that class on a long trip was the cruze or maybe the jetta. I know someone complained about the seat but again I found it better then the competition. They were also roomy for the class, I’m 6’3″ and have no issues unlike something like the Mazda 3 of this era.
Also the drive train is the cause of joy and frustration. Spooled up doing an on ramp drag race it’s very happy, same with passing power. Handling is pretty good but not quite as good as some others. The big issue is from a dead start it almost feels like your in 2nd gear until the engine climbs a bit this makes start either a slip the clutch affair or very slow. It also can make the 1-2 shift awkward in non aggressive driving. I looked it up in user forums and it seems this got better in later cars with different tuning. Some guys modify the wastegate on the turbo to get the boost up earlier which I gather is pretty much what the later cars do. If you ever drive one the general thought that goes thru my head is the dropped the Abarth drivetrain in a car that was too heavy with out a retune or gear change.
My fathers car has had some unfortunate quality issues. The trunk release and gas door release have acted up, The clutch throwout bearing failed at 60k miles and the AC comp clutch died at under 75k miles.
All in all with some more tweaks it would have been a great car. The bones where there.