Would I recommend a Subaru Legacy (Liberty in Australia)? You bet. The 2007 2.5 wagon I bought last year proved to be a capable, reliable car with a great ride and handling balance and a peppy engine. It was arguably the most practical purchase I had ever made, even for a person as pragmatic and frugal as myself. So why did I sell it after only 9 months?
I didn’t love the Liberty. I never did. It never received an affectionate nickname. I never took many photos of it other than on its last day. I don’t even recall making a celebratory Facebook post after buying it, or rushing to show it to my friends. But, by God, I respected it. And I will stand up and recommend this car to any used car shopper.
You may recall my most recent COAL on my 2007 Holden Calais. I had gone through the process of becoming an Uber driver and right as I was about to earn some money, the Calais developed a series of ghastly noises. It needed relatively expensive repairs but it had already ticked past 200,000 km and I just didn’t see it being worth the expense. In record time, I undertook a hunt for a replacement car and bought one before I had even found a buyer for the Calais. Ironically, I only ended up driving for Uber for two nights. Turns out, almost a decade of working in customer service was enough for me. Despite my short time with Uber, people still ask me to this day what it’s like to work for them.
My “new” car was this 2007 Subaru Liberty 2.5 wagon, with an impressively low 115,000 km/71,000 miles (or so) on the odometer. It was equipped with a luxury pack that included leather seats and a touch-screen infotainment system with satellite navigation. Still, I had to forego the niceties I’d come to love in the Calais—there were no power seats or front parking sensors, nor was there an AUX input. There weren’t even any steering wheel audio controls.
So, it sounds like we were off to a bit of a rough start. But then I was surprised by how responsive the 2.5 four was, despite being mated to a four-speed automatic transmission and producing only 170 hp and 166 ft-lbs. This car felt barely any slower than the Calais, which had a whopping 90 more hp and 83 more pound-feet of torque but weighed over 800 pounds more. I appreciated the manual shift mode, a feature I had become familiar with in the Calais. The mellifluous engine noise of the flat four under the hood was also delightful—I love the sound Subarus make! I also loved how the car looked, as this was arguably the best-looking Subaru ever made (and, surprisingly, the 2006 facelift made the wagon look even better).
Driving along Brisbane’s pockmarked, rough roads also proved a revelation. The Liberty absorbed the bumps, it didn’t crash over them! The car felt solid and planted, like the Calais, but in a much more refined manner. Subaru’s Symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive helped the car grip the road, while steering was responsive if a tad light.
It was the lack of an AUX input that proved to be the first annoyance. In the Calais, I had simply plugged in my phone with an AUX cord and listened to music. With the Liberty, I had to buy an FM radio transmitter to plug into my phone. Those things are better than they used to be but even after you select a station to use for your phone, static can build over time and you’ll have to select another station. The same applies if you’re driving to another city where your selected frequency is already being used.
A minor inconvenience, sure, but manageable. Except there was always a bit of static present, even when using the transmitter and especially while listening to the radio. I looked into getting an AUX input fitted as the one wired in by a previous owner didn’t work. However, because the luxury pack used some special kind of infotainment system only offered for two model years, it meant a particular part had to be ordered from Japan that would cost over $200. I dithered over whether I should buy it or not.
I think I only washed the car twice
That infotainment system was nothing flash, either. There was no clock on it, nor was there your typical default infotainment screen with the air-conditioning and radio station readouts. You had to skip past a legal liability message each time, even when somebody was calling you and you wanted to answer via Bluetooth. The navigation also required an update disc.
The radio reception sucked because the antenna was located in the tailgate. A tailgate that rattled. Sometimes, I drive around with no music on. I couldn’t do that in the Liberty without getting annoyed by the sound. I believe the source was a piece of plastic on the inside of the tailgate but I was unable to fix it and my mechanic claimed not to hear it.
Are you tired of my bitching? Well, hang in there, because I’ve got a couple of other things to moan about.
The frameless windows were a source of bemusement to my friends and family, many of whom clearly had not been around older Subarus before. Frankly, I’m glad Subaru ditched them. They look weird when they are wound down and a door is open, and the doors never closed properly on the first go.
These mostly sound like easy fixes, right? I probably could’ve sorted out the rattle with a bit of elbow grease and gotten an AUX input wired into the dash for around $250. But then I found out the next service – at 125,000 km – was going to be a more intensive and costly servicing job as the timing belt had to be changed. Did I really want to spend the money on a car I had no attachment to?
To quote my mother, I simply “wasn’t fussed on it”. Funnily enough, one person who was “fussed on it” was my mother. She had driven it a couple of times and found it to be a remarkably pleasant car to drive. Growing up, ours had traditionally been a two-car family but in recent years my parents were sharing a car. This irked my mother considerably but she bristled at the thought of my father purchasing a pickup (or “ute”, as we call anything with a tray here). She had had to drive Dad’s old company trucks on occasion and always disliked them.
My father had told me a year or so ago that he wanted a pickup. A cursory search revealed any pickups under $10k were more than 15 years old and had high mileage. This is undoubtedly because these vehicles are seen as workhorses that will last a long time, and therefore cresting the 200,000 km mark doesn’t dampen resale value as it would with a passenger car.
I presented Dad with some alternative options within his price range, including crossovers, station wagons and minivans. Was it worth buying an older, less safe, less comfortable vehicle for the use of a tray or bed? Considering this was a man who managed to wedge an obscene amount of stuff into a ’95 Suzuki Swift, I argued a pickup wasn’t necessary. Evidently, my father came to agree and so my parents agreed to buy the Liberty.
I think I only hauled my bike twice
My dad will utilize the cargo-hauling ability of the Liberty a lot more than I did. In fact, he’s already used the roof racks that I took off right after I bought the car (they sounded like tea kettles!) I’m more than happy with a sedan and its enclosed trunk, which hides cargo from passers-by better than a cargo blind and muffles the sound of objects rolling around.
I had bought the Liberty because it was such a sensible option. I had haggled the seller down to a good price. It had low mileage for its age. It was a Subaru, and thus reliable and well-built and I figured resale value would be better on it than with some of the other cars I checked out. It was spacious and my friends and family all seemed to like it. It used less fuel than my last car (albeit more than a four-cylinder ideally should) while feeling about as fast. It rode well. It handled well.
I just didn’t love it. It didn’t feel “me”. And those minor annoyances just exacerbated my indifference to the car. I feel rather sorry for it in hindsight. It was such a good all-rounder and yet I never connected with it. At least I know it has gone to a good home, while I have purchased a car more my style. In fact, I bought the car I should have gotten all along.
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I have 4 sisters, 3 of whom own Subaru Legacy wagons…or is it the Outback wagon? 2 of my sisters have owned 3 successive models and will probably replace their current car, at some point, with another, while 1 sister has a GT wagon that has made William Stopford’s seem like a paragon of quality. The only way I can tell a sister has replaced her pride and joy is through the change in color, and after a while I notice that the newer car is bigger than the older car. (One sister has a near new Outback that appears big enough to carry an older model inside the rear cargo area.)
Me? I like the “concept”, but the internet is full of stories about Subarus with blown head gaskets and other expensive repairs that become necessary after only 65-75 thousand miles.
But they are reasonably good looking wagons.
Head-gasket victim here. On two different 2.5 non-turbo Outbacks.
I understand the 2.5 was redesigned for the 2011 model year. Although I don’t think every 2.5 non-turbo model got the new engine until 2013.
APPARENTLY, the head gaskets are improved. At least that’s what I hear.
I’m not going to gamble $20,000 on that rumor. My money is better spent elsewhere, like not flying on United.
That is not a rumour. Only EJ2.5 motor had that issue and only because of the gasket itself.
It wasnt redesigned, it a completely new engine called FB25B you can tell it apart from ej very easily becausw it has a plastic intake manifold and oil filter next to the oil filler cap/battery.
It replaced all previous 2.5 same as FB20 did for ej20(which itself never gad that problem to begin with.
It has no issues expect for a bit of oil.consumption becauae they wanted it to be mkre fuel efficient.(that was fixed after 2013)
For older Legacy or outback just go for 2.0L or 3.0L(ez30) versions and you wont have any problems at all. Or 2.0L diesel/3.6L on 2011+ Outback. Obvioualy 6 cylinser ones will be a bit more thirsty than 4 bangers, but they are incredibly reliable, especially 3.6R with 5 speed automatic(2009-2014)
Capable car for sure. One of the best. Desigign by committee unfortunately. They lost the “look”.
I actually think this was the last nice looking one. They rounded out some of the more jarring design language of the predecessor, dropped the weird, ugly high body cladding, and still kept the classic wagon shape. It was the subsequent generation that lost the looks IMO. It’s now an amorphous blob of an awkward SUV that looks unfinished to me.
I never noticed before how decidedly Saab-like these are in profile. Maybe it’s the color.
In the US it was also the last non-Outback Legacy wagon. Add in that the next generation Outback showed up in the fall of ’08 looking like the kid who grew three inches over the summer and was wearing last year’s pants.
The generation in between mine and the current model is just so bloody awkward-looking. Too narrow and tall-looking. The new Legacy and Outback are much more conventionally handsome, and the Outback in particular is handsome and substantial-looking without being visually bloated.
+1.
Sometimes you just need to try something in order to confirm whether or not you like it or dislike it.
Selling MINIs, I get a lot of customers who are driving cars they needed for practicality (SUVs/CUVs, minivans, pickup trucks), but no longer have the need for a larger, less amusing car. They come in specifically because they want something that’s fun-to-drive and has a lot more personality and the ability to customize.
Car buying is always a balance of practicality and emotions, it’s important to know what degree of each you can live with.
Yoursoundman:
I believe, but could be wrong, that the name of Ford’s minivan was changed from Windstar to Freestar to bring the name in line with the other Ford “F” cars….Focus, Fusion, Freestar. THAT, and of course the car manufacturer’s habit of renaming a slowish selling car when it’s “updated”. Another example? Lumina APV became the….Outlook? Or whatever GM/Chevy changed the name to when they tried to fool potential customers into thinking it was no longer a minivan but an SUV of some sort.
But I do agree, changing the name from Legacy (a bit of an unusual name) to Liberty?
Is there a Subaru Outback wagon sold in Australia or is that a North America only name?
Yup, that’s correct re: the Freestar name. However, the Lumina APV became the Venture when it was redesigned for 1997. And that’s not when they gave it the SUV front… That happened in 2005, and the Venture became the Uplander.
I think Liberty was chosen as well because it sounded similar enough to Legacy.
Yes, the Outback has been sold in Australia its whole life. Nobody really thinks anything of the name anymore than someone would think twice about a name like Tundra or Yukon if they lived in Canada. Of course, our “outback” is swarming with Land Cruisers, not Subarus.
I knew the Lumina APV had had a name change, but I didn’t remember when and what. I think I had even forgotten the change from Venture to Outlook.
And it sounds like my little sister’s Legacy GT wagon was a twin to the 1 owned by Scotn59c. She is still driving it, but looking forward to the day she can replace it.
Opps, didn’t see you had already beat me to it.
Outback is the export badge afixed to Subaru Lancasters. We get the export models new and boat loads of the JDM originals the Lancaster/Outback was just a stood up Legacy with some cladding and trim changes.
My contributions here are based on strick empirical observation.
Dude, there’s no doubt in my mind that empirical observations, especially “strick” ones, are not your thing. This whole thing about Freestar being a patriotic name is absolutely stupid. And that applies to a whole lot of your other “strick empirical observations” here. No need to sort them out off this board.
So maybe you can take them elsewhere, where they’re going to be more welcome than here?
“Legacy” was already in use here as the name of a charity which looks after the families of ex-servicemen, and has been doing for decades. Although it’s a great name for a car (right up there with “Legend”), Subaru chose to rename the car for Australia. Considering the trouble my country had with the Japanese army, navy and air force during WW2 (subs, bombings, attempted invasion…) it was a good decision not to go with Legacy, so as not to alienate the veterans.
And then of course the US market Jeep Liberty was named Cherokee in Australia, until Jeep came to their senses and returned to that classic name in the US as well, with the current Cherokee CUV.
I had one of these for a short while too (a little over a year). It was a handsome car, but beset by a ton of worsening problems. I bought in at 100k, thinking a Subaru Outback would be invincible with that little milage. This was my third Outback too, so I figured I knew these cars.
When I finally sold mine to a mechanic, it was leaking oil from the timing belt cover, it needed a new catalytic converter, had insane body roll with the worn out shocks, and a hundred other niggling problems. I had jury-rigged a radio antenna fix in the back hatch that gave me weak reception, but it was better than how the car was when I got it.
Long story short, it would have run for a long time to come, but it was going to be too expensive to get it right, so I cut bait at the right time. I’d buy another Subaru, but not a mechanically neglected one, even if the milage is low.
DougD:
Given the climate in the States at that time I don’t think many people were focused on that. Reality!
The reasoning behind the Freestar name for the Ford minivan is a bit different than what you mention. Ford marketing got the idea that alliteration was king, and suddenly there was the Ford Fiesta, Fusion, Five Hundred, F-150, not to mention the Mercury Milian, Montego, Marquis (Grand), Mariner and Mountaineer. At the time, as models were being updated, they were getting F or M based names. We are probably lucky the Mustang didn’t become a Mercury or get renamed the Ford Filly!
Alan Mulally brought an end to this when he came aboard. He was somewhat appalled that Ford was ditching brand equity for alliteration. One of the first changes was bringing back the Taurus name on an updated Five Hundred.
The story is also different at Jeep. They have wrestled with the political correctness of using names based on American Indian culture. As the simple “Cherokee” name had been retired for a some years, they decided to not bring it back, and the Liberty was born.
Bought my ’05 GT Ltd wagon 2+ years ago at 88k, now cresting 101k. Had to replace the turbo but other than oft-repadded rear brakes, my Submarine is an absolute blast to own and drive, though the turbo requires Premium to limit pre-ignition and mileage would be improved with a taller fifth gear.
Oh, and with a 6 CD changer, I don’t always mind that the antenna cable parted months ago; either that or the tint messed with the aerial properties in the back glass.
Agreed on all fahrvergnugen says, except my turbo has been fine, and It tends to eat clutches if I let my wife drive it.
I’ve had my ’05 GT Ltd wagon for 10 years now, taking it from 70K to just over 210k km, and except as mentioned above no major mechanical repairs. Just starting to see some leaks from the rad and the PS pump, but that’s not too bad for the age of the car. Of course I am religious about maintenance.
I think that the turbo DOHC makes it quite a different beast vs. the SOHC NA version, in terms of the fun-to-drive factor. Plus you don’t have the fear about the head gaskets.
I was waiting for this COAL for ages!!! And I had nearly guessed it as of your last comment.
You might not have liked it, but for me it’s the last good looking Legacy ever. I always bought one (nearly everytime a 2.0GT sedan) everytime I restarted playing Gran Turismo 4 on PS2.
Have you guys gotten the 150 hp Boxer Diesel in AUS? Car mags always said it was a great powerplant, but was never a big seller (at least in Portugal. I’ve seen probably two in nine years)
For fun, you could have rebadged it Legacy for a couple of bucks, just for the WTF face on driver’s behind you.
Cheers! Are you already on COAL #5?
Aww. Glad to hear you were waiting for it! 🙂
I believe the diesel arrived in the following generation of Liberty and Outlook. I’ve never had the chance to drive one but a family friend has one.
I am indeed on COAL #5! I’ll be taking it for its first proper, long drive tomorrow.
Never experienced a Boxer Diesel either, but I still have a couple of magazines (one with an Outback, other with a Legacy) reviewing it. I would have sent a scan to Paul, but they’re all in Portuguese, therefore, probably only Rubens would understand them 😀
Happy miles, Will! Hope this one is a keeper 🙂
My sister is like you. After a lifetime of Jeeps and VWs (all with manual transmissions) she bought a 2014 Outback. It is the generation newer than yours, but it seemed to satisfy every requirement she had. But the same thing – she did not love it. And felt a little defective about it, because everyone else with a Subaru seems to love it.
Her situation was solved when her particular car started displaying funky electrical issues (like every single light on the dash coming on and staying on with no reason or warning). The dealer could not find an issue. She traded it on a 2017 Wrangler Unlimited. With a stick. She loves it.
Try the turbo version of your Legacy/Liberty and you’ll buy one. I have the XT Forester for 12 years now and can’t seem to rid myself of it even with my new-to-me Jag S. Of course, I ‘ve done the needed mods to make it more entertaining but for about $2kusd, it’s humbles and shocks many Boxters/Mustangs etc.
Good luck in your future rides!
I tested and reviewed a Forester XT back in 2007, and it was a hoot. Lots of folks don’t realize that it had a shorter final drive ratio, which made it quicker than the WRX. But that had its negative effect on the freeway, with high engine speed.
The earlier Forester XT’s had the shorter gearing and better acceleration. This was revised to taller gearing, which the ’07 have had, and the acceleration times dropped of as a result. With the taller gearing it no longer out ran the WRX.
2004 Subaru Forester XT
0-60: 5.3 secs
1/4 mile: 13.8 secs @ 97 mph
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/subaru-forester-25xt.pdf
2006 Subaru Forester XT
0-60: 5.9 secs
1/4 mile: 14.3 secs @ 96 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/subaru-forester-25xt-limited-short-take-road-test
2007 Subaru WRX
0-60: 5.3 secs
1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @98 mph
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2007-vw-gti-vs-subaru-impreza-wrx-tr-mini-cooper-s-nissan-sentra-se-r-spec-v-mazdaspeed-3-grand-touring0705-powertoys-powertrain-ss.pdf
You know, I had a Forester XT, turbo, five speed, (also 6 CD changer with no aux input and rear window antenna ?) … I kept it for almost ten years, so I guess it wasn’t a short-timer, but after the first few years I didn’t really “love” it either. We didn’t really need it, so eventually I sold it and just used our Prius for a while, then got back into 4wd pickups after a long truck-less period. It was flawlessly reliable in the 75K miles I drove it … just one interior light bulb burned out. And I bounced it off the rev limiter quite a bit, as well as bounced it on various offroad jaunts in the desert. Good car, but despite the HP not very satisfying.
This is my favorite generation of Legacy (well, that and the 93-94 facelift.) What trim, timeless styling to come out in the mid aughts! I still have thoughts of picking up a cheap example with a blown head gasket and fixing it on a budget.
Subarus with gasket problems are available here in droves and cheap, its the repairs that cost the real money even just the parts,
Gasket can be replaced with a good one – tubro ej one – multilayer steel instead of singke layer grpahite coated crap that was the cause of the failures in the first place.
Once done properly it will never ever fail again. 2.0L and 3.0L Legacies have no issue like this at all, these came with mls gaskets by default.
I really liked the looks of these, much better than the bloated current version. If a turbo wagon with the 5 speed automatic in great condition would have readily been available when we needed to replace the Forester 3 years ago, than it would likely be in our driveway today.
I really miss these from the Subaru lineup.
Right, I too disliked bloat of the newer version. The Forester got bloated too, but it wears its design a little bit better than the Outback IMO. I get that wagons have been on the outs for years, but Subarus have a quirkiness factor and I think people appreciated that it was one of the last wagons you could get. Nevertheless, I see scads of newer ones on the roads, so perhaps the brass made the right decision, given the times and the people’s wants.
I really am not looking forward to the day, hopefully years from now, when I have to consider what wagon to replace mine with. Design of newer / current Superoos (what my kids called the cars as they grew up in a succession of them) do nothing for me.
Given your screen name, How about a new Volkswagen Golf SportWagen?
Totally agreed; that seems to be the one to watch. Just hope the TDI will be clean and available when I’m ready.
Here in Australia, we get the Levorg which is a wagon that fits between the Impreza and Legacy in size. I believe it’s CVT-only though.
Good example of how the youth market for a long time now has valued intangibles, accessories and styling detail over the car itself.
Good example of a generational bias.
Well Norm, now I have a car that performs well, looks just as good, but has the features I want. Why can’t I have it all? It’s my money.
I think you’ll find buyers like me in other generations and in other times as well.
Considering I was probably an earlier adopter of smart phones and navigation systems than yourself, I think it’s only fair as well that I want my car’s software to support the software in my pocket. That being said, I wouldn’t rush out and buy a Smart because it had the best infotainment system on the market.
I really do loathe sweeping generalizations like the one you just made.
Norm, you’re channeling Henry Ford in about 1925, when he couldn’t figure out why folks were getting tired of his black Model Ts. Some things never change, and folks will invariable gravitate to style, fashion, accessories and other aspects than just a box with wheels. Well, except certain older ones like you.
I’m leery of Subaru now, although I was a Subie guy 25 years ago. I owned 5 during the late 80s/early 90s. They were bulletproof, albeit slow and a gas hog for a 4 cylinder. But the cracking head/head gasket issue and the repetition from different owners about similar problems keeps me from signing a loan app. Plus (IIRC, but tell me if I’m incorrect) you have to replace all four tires if there is significant difference in the wear between the fronts and backs because having tires with dissimilar circumference causes undue wear on the 4wd drivetrain.
Correct on the tires. But Subie’s not alone. We always replace the tires on our Equinox in fours.
As far as I know, having to replace tires in 4-wheel sets is common to most vehicles with full-time 4WD. Though if you have a recent set of tires and one of them becomes irreparably damaged you can have a new tire shaved down to match.
I have two sets of tires and one set of wheels. (Santa are you listening).
Aside from benefits of improved traction in winter and quieter rides in summer, it allows me to be sure that my wheels are frequently balanced, and wear patterns similar.
I did though have to replace one tire due to road damage, but bought a replacement of the same and never noticed any handling issues or odd wear.
I always really liked the Legacy wagons, and this one was particularly sharp looking. We have a ’16 Outback and while it’s a great car, if they made a ’16 Legacy wagon I would have bought that in a heartbeat. I personally don’t think the latest Outback is “that” bloated, especially compared to other late model cars. At least it has great visibility not compromised by goofy styling. It also had the most leg room and was near the top for cargo room compared to all the competitors we looked at. FWIW, the revised FB 2.5L doesn’t use a timing belt and is a completely new head design with a smaller bore. So far, since it’s 2010 release, it doesn’t seem to have any head gasket issues like it’s predecessor. On top of that, ours has been very good on fuel.
I really like the new Outbacks. Good-looking cars inside and out. My only reservation is the CVT, and not because of any potential reliability issues but purely because I’m not a fan of CVTs, even if they have improved with time.
I will drive a five speed in stop and go traffic rather than buy another car with a CVT. Ugh
I am not a huge fan of CVT’s either, but here in Canada we can still get a 5-speed too. I know its not available in the US market with a 5-speed, but not sure about Australia.
This car is driven mostly by my wife and she wanted an auto. The CVT is rated for significantly better fuel economy, and they have better resale when the time comes. The CVT in the Outback is one of the better ones I have driven. It does seem to help with fuel economy, if you watch your RPM. I never use the paddle shifter to upshift (what’s the point it’s a family car), but I do like to use them for downshifts to slow the car at certain times.
Sorry my mistake. I should have said the Outback comes with a 6-speed manual.
Subaru did a fantastic job with the styling on these, but the NA 2.5 has developed quite the reputation for head gasket woes. Still, i’d love a GT wagon with the almost paradoxically less problematic turbo engine. Hard to come by though…it’d probably have to be one of those “be patient and wait for a good one to come along” purchases. As opposed to unexpected car replacement, which if you’re in the used market is very much a game of luck.
I can see how this car wasn’t right for you from the way you discuss it, though. Sounds like you got out before any major problems occurred, which is the right time to move on!