If you have read some of my COAL series you will realize there is no brand loyalty factoring into my choices but if anything could be considered a trend it is probably a tendency to smaller and simpler vehicles. Even when browsing I am generally not drawn to a luxury or big car but there is one large exception that I have always wanted to own. I already have a project car that is taking entirely too long so adding another seems reasonable. Right?
Hopefully (for at least one household member) this one will be a simple “turd polishing” exercise to turn it around quickly.
A similar era Lincoln or Chrysler really does not get very high on car lust meter for me but there is just something appealing about these big Cadillacs.
Or a sub set of them to be more accurate as I do not like the early or late ones as much. They are not horrible but I do find the front and rear end detailing of the 1977-1979 cars as less fully resolved somehow. The late ones of 1990-1992 with the composite headlamps just look off and have entirely too much “gingerbread” with the lower cladding added and digital gauges. That leaves the Eighties cars which are, mostly and unfortunately, saddled with a rather poor selection of engines.
Outside of 1980 one could choose from a problematic 8-6-4 V8, over burdened Buick V6, problematic diesel V8, also problematic aluminum block/iron head HT-4100 V8 or the slightly sleepy Oldsmobile 307 V8 depending on the year. Problematic seems to be a recurring theme. The best of the bunch is the normal 368 cu in of 1980 or a converted V8-6-4 but the second best choice and much easier to find is the slow but steady Oldsmobile V8, which meant for me that a 1986-1989 was the best candidate.
I have been casually looking for one literally for decades but each time I find a candidate my wife kicks up a fuss, but I cannot complain too much as she is generally pretty chill about the junk I bring home. The snag remains that she is just not a fan of big American cars. Like really not a fan. It probably has something to do with having to drive a rear wheel drive, two door Oldsmobile Cutlass as a teenager before they were cool.
Given the values of these Cadillacs seem to be on the (modest) rise lately when a cheap one popped up for sale locally I figured it was now or never to scratch this itch. As illustrated by my COAL history you will know if nothing else I am a sucker for what appears to be a good deal. I hatched a plan to take a look at it after work and triumphantly arrive home with it. That sneaky strategy was accidentally dashed by wife insisting on picking me up from work … late. So she had to come along to look at the car and was suitably unimpressed. Sometimes a man just has to put his foot down so I declared I was buying it no matter what. We comprised that I could do so as long it never parked outside and lowered the property values of all our neighbors.
During a short test drive I discovered the seller was a bit of a car buff and we had a mutual acquaintance in common. He had a few cars with a Dodge Dart under going restoration and this modified 600hp Nissan Skyline GTR among them.
The Cadillac was found to be more or less as described and pictured. The padded roof was toast, a wheel was missing a hubcap, which were all visible from the ad photos, as well as the heater core needed replacing (as disclosed in the ad). Additionally, there were some not unexpected paint issues and the turn signals did not flash but I optimistically figured it would just be a cheap flasher replacement. I made a reasonable offer which the seller accepted and I was now a proud, first time Cadillac owner. This made my wife was a rather more reluctant co-owner by extension.
While not sporty in the least, the Cadillac is quite fun to drive. It is joyful in a different way, giving a sense of occasion on every drive, as it looks like nothing else on the road which is mostly cluttered up with pickups and SUVs. The 307cid / 5.0L V8 engine only puts out rather low 140hp but a more robust 245 lb-ft of torque, so while not fast by any stretch it does not feel as slow as they 140hp figure might indicate. Regardless, raw power and speed is not what this car is about.
It was only a short drive home but with the fuel gauge on E, I splashed a bit more gasoline into it.
I also took advantage a slow winter sunset to get a few photos. Full disclosure, they flatter the car by hiding how horrible the vinyl top is. But more importantly, the body is very solid and rust free. I do wish the color was something other than this hearing aid beige but it has been slowly growing on me a little bit. The front vanity plate came with the car and says “If you can’t run with the big dogs stay on the porch” with a Dallas Cowboys plate surround.
Experts will note that the grill is incorrect for the year as it has the ’81 and ’87-’88 egg crate one. I was wary that this might have been repaired collision damage but there was absolutely no sign of that so perhaps someone had a strong enough preference to swap it out?
There are a few neat features of this vehicle that are worth drawing your attention to including these fender mounted indicators. They use fiber optics and indicate if you have the signal or headlights on. There is another set on the inside above the rear window that does the same function for brake and signal lights.
An another interesting feature of this car is that the hood is so long that the engine can be set quite far back that it is almost a front mid engine design. The whole engine compartment needs a good clean and I suspect this car has sat for a number of years until recently.
In the trunk this contraption prevents access to the fuel tank filler cap by locking the license plate frame in place (the filler is behind the fold down license plate).
There is a carpeted trash bin in the passenger side foot-well. This feature is quite touted in the period advertising. Was this peak luxury in the late Nineteen Eighties?
It also has a few advanced features that were rare in the day but common now such as automatic headlights (Sentinal in period Cadillac speak) and climate control. Additionally, the trunk is also powered for an assisted soft close which is something that has always struck me as a nuisance rather than a convenience.
After a bit of clean the interior is actually in really nice shape. Remarkably, there is a third seat belt between the two front seats so it could be somewhat uncomfortable sixth seat.
The rear is quite roomy and comfortable looking.
On the less good side the padded roof is in horrible shape and likely beyond saving.
Unfortunately, some previous owner had a flat tire at some point and absolutely trashed the hubcap to get it off. These GM wire wheels have a special anti-theft locking nut in the center. There are methods to get around getting not having this key but unfortunately someone choose the caveman route destroying the hub cap and the mount.
As promised to my wife it is safely tucked away from any disgusted eyes with a tight fit in the garage. The rear of the Cadillac is lined up with the front of the Austin and you can see the length difference between the two. By the numbers, the wheelbase is 121.5″ for the Cadillac vs 92.5″ for the Austin. Overall length is 221.0″ vs 158.5″ so the Austin is a massive 5 1/4 feet shorter!
The plan is some some (hopefully) light mechanical work to get it up to a (slightly) higher standard. Further possibilities for the summer could be some family ice cream runs, ironic Auto-X and perhaps the Great Beater Challenge. The really big question is if my wife will even ride in it.
A new top, a “cut & buff” on the paint, and a replacement wheel cover would make this car look as good or better than many I see parked in various neighborhood driveways (IMO). I think that your spousal unit has been too negatively influenced by past big car trauma; but, as is said: “happy wife, happy life!” Good luck w/ your latest acquistion!! 🙂
What a tank it shows how big it is next to the little Sommersault, Whats happening with your Austin?
You could just peel the vinyl toupee off that car and spray the top.
Progress on the Austin was not great over the winter. It is about 3/4 in primer now and I am about half way through fitting the front suspension.
Bryce and David,
I’ve installed quite a few padded vinyl tops over the years, and if one isn’t in a hurry and takes the time to line it up correctly, it’s not that difficult a challenge. Even the glue in use today, is available in a spray can.
The basically squared off roof lines make it far easier to install when compared to other “egg shaped” cars. With a selection of basic hard plastic trim removal tools for around the front & rear windows & sunroof, the job is fairly easy.
While GM was getting battered from all sides during the Roger Smith era, it really must have stung at the highest profit Cadillac division, particularly given all the massive engineering and marketing stumbles that was eroding the reputation of that once ‘standard of the world’.
The seeds might have been sown by good ole Lee Iacocca way back in 1965 with the LTD, for which GM had little choice but to introduce the brougham-tastic Caprice that would, little by little, cut into Cadillac’s market. It’s a no-brainer to think that there were a lot of buyers who went with a nearly-as-nice Caprice for a lot less money than a Cadillac.
Coupled with not only the German onslaught, the Japanese were now getting in on the luxury market with more reliable products like the Lexus brand (coincidentally introduced for 1989). Buyers of tradtiional, premium domestic luxury cars were dying off so cars like the feature vehicle were losing relevance fast.
With that said, I can’t argue with the notion that the last non-composite rectangular headlight, zero body cladded, broad-shouldered, full-sized Cadillac being worth remembering as the last of a bygone era (especially the top-of-the-line Brougham d’Elegance model).
What a wonderful big American car. I am not sure if I find it awful or nice. But it is a very good example of a car only the USA could make. Those tufted seats! That fake wood dashboard! The length of the car! All very much “too much”, which it makes it perfect. Congratulations.
Outstanding acquisition! I admire your broad taste in cars David.
A quick search reveals that a vinyl roof kit is $279, that and a hubcap might go a long way toward improving the looks of the Cadillac and help with the De-Elegance factor.
To get my wife to ride in this car would be all about the wardrobe. I’m thinking a tuxedo with ruffled lasagna noodle shirt for me, and a sequin dress for her.
BTW Austin is looking great as well
Thanks. I just installed a stand up hood ornament to replace the missing one. The hubcap is on its way.
I only casually looked for tops but $279 is super cheap. Where did you find that deal.
It’s here:
https://www.newstalgiaparts.com/p/47210/1989-cadillac-fleetwood-vinyl-top
Turd polishing kit is also available here:
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/211280958/turd-polishing-kit
Welcome to the Cadillac Club! Wife and I have an 88 and a 92 Brougham, along with a 94 Fleetwood.
I do love the exterior color of your car, and the tufted velour inside.
A replacement for the top is easy to find, and parts for the driveline are easily available.
I wish they would bring back the litter receptacle in cars…it’s such a nice touch.
Enjoy one of the last Classic Cadillacs!
I confess to liking this body style of Cadillac deVilles despite the reasons already outlined. I’m a sucker for digital instruments, though, so we’ll have to disagree on that. I do prefer coupes, but the market no longer agreed with me on that.
I recently painted this Coupe de Ville and hung it in my home office. It’s patterned on an ’84, so HT4100. I love the color “Autumn Maple Firemist,” having seen it on a car on YouTube a while back.
Enjoy your new boat!
Great painting!
Was fortunate enough to have had 89 Fleetwood Brougham deElegance and 89 Town Car Signature Series. As a Lover of the GREAT AMERICAN LAND YACHTS, loved them both, but Cadillac had slight advantage of those tufted velour seats! Wish I had kept both. Traded 89 Cadillac for 93 RWD Brougham. That car was not up to 89 for quality of trim (cheap carpet as opposed to deep pile in 89) and has numerous problems. Sad to see what now wears Cadillac name!
Maybe you should have waited for the sun to fully go down. 🙂 The fourth picture is the best angle, btw.
In all seriousness I do see the (fleeting) appeal. A true car enthusiast can see the good parts in any car rather than endlessly going on about their own main like and while Cadillac had come far down in the world by this time (with more depths yet to descend) these were not unpopular so they gave a subset of owners exactly what they wanted, can’t begrudge GM for that really, it’s a business. There have been times when I’ve been seriously interested in various Crown Vics as well as the odd B-body and I did enjoy my Chevy Concours, so large cars aren’t alien. I even like aspects of these particular big Cadillacs such as the long hood and as you said, the grille and lights. And the button tufting (although I can get that in a Toyota Cressida too).
So yeah, this’ll no doubt be a fun endeavor for you to polish up. It’ll truly be a success when you get Mrs. Saunders behind the wheel.
I’d say there is a zero percent chance of getting her behind the wheel. Slight chance of being a reluctant passenger is probably the best I could hope for.
Your opening photo captures the character of this car very nicely. I suspect it has seen as lot of gravel roads. The dust in the air vents, on the gas door lock and under the hood looks familiar – I had to detail my mother’s last car to sell it, and years of gravel roads leave a mark.
Too bad about the vinyl top. Not cheap, I’m sure. These cars are rather striking without a vinyl top, and some came that way. I suppose the fiberglass filler in the rear window might be a lot to deal with if you were to remove it. Leaving the wrap around beltline moulding without the vinyl might look sharp.
I do not see any tell tale signs of a gravel car underneath. It is actually super clean chassis wise. I suspect this one sat for a number of years. The tires need replacement as they have some dry rot in them.
I like the non-vinyl top look but I suspect the easiest fix is likely a new top.
Being a Caddy guy and having sold them for a total of 14 years and being the proud owner of 2 80’s sedans (Cimarron and Seville), I truly appreciate your story here. These things were true highway cruisers where you could put 600 or more miles on a day and not feel like you did once you stopped. Personally, I can’t think of one single vehicle today that could do that with the exception of maybe a nice van all decked out.
Congrats on your Caddy! That is a very handsome vehicle, it just needs a little love! Just keep telling your Wife that! I had a ’77 CdV back in 1980 when it was still a current car, and the downsized Cadillacs were well received and appreciated, especially since they still had a 425 under the hood. My Wife became quite accomplished at driving this car after we were married in ’82.
It looks like the paint can be refurbished, but you’re going to have to pop for a new top. These 70’s to 80’s cars didn’t suffer as badly from under vinyl rust as ’60’s models. It usually starts, and is worst, around the rear window openings and along the quarter panel trim. Hopefully your car can be fixed and the top recovered, which will be a noticeable improvement.
My Wife has been cool about my motorcycles and hobby cars, but she finally got kind of tired of them with my “Rat Rod” slammed ’66 Riviera. The Riv was my daily favorite for many years and she rode in it without complaint. She never had to drive my junk, I always made sure that she had a newer “good” car to drive.
Last year I made the move away from project cars, to just hobby cars. Cars that just need to be preserved and maintained, not rebuilt. Last year I sold my Jaguar collection. My ’97 XJ6 was a beautiful car that just needed the “usual” Jag maintenance, My XJS was also beautiful, but needed more extensive chassis and brake work along with some new seats. Add in the convertible top and it was a 3,500 dollar car that needed 10,000 worth of work to be worth 7,500 bucks. My ’51 Jaguar was an amazing original car that needed paint and body and many expensive, elusive mechanical bits.
Now my current hobby fleet are cars that I can improve a bit, and dote on with preservation in mind.
Good Luck with your Cadillac, sometimes the heart just wants what the heart wants!
I have also always kept the wife in a nice, modern car as well. And brushed the snow off in the winter since my junk prevents her from parking in the garage.
You have illustrated a snag with affordable classics. A lot of them are not financially wise to sink a pile of money into unfortunately. I keep my on the low money investment side and generally end up about even when selling (minus my own labour of course).
Regarding the trash bin:
Mother’s ’76 Fleetwood had the same bin. Not only was it an awkward reach (when the seat belt was worn), but it was also difficult to remove and reinstall for emptying. I think it was used about twice before the family found other trash solutions.
I believe the trash bin was introduced in ’71.
Glad you got the hood ornament replaced. I recently bought one (from a Deville, with pearls and merlettes) for my DTS but haven’t summoned the courage to drill the hole for it, as I’m not totally certain it will stand vertically and not lean forward. SafeLite’s estimate of $875 for a new windshield has also dampened my enthusiasm. I hate the thought of subsidizing their ads.
The ornament mount has a bit of an angle to it to compensate for the angle of the hood. It fits into a another mount on the car as well. At least on mine. Not sure what the chances of the angles matching up between eras to keep it level.
I saw a RWD Fleetwood of about this vintage, in clean but not showroom shape, parked by the ocean on a sunny day recently while we were walking the dog. Two guys hanging out nearby, both in their fifties and heavily tattooed, one perhaps smoking a controlled substance, which seemed to be the subject of their conversation, with a few comments I overheard that implied they had just met at this overlook or in any case weren’t close friends. An hour later when we came back, they were still there. Neither looked like my stereotype of an ‘80’s Cadillac owner. But then, DS, your’s may be the only garage on the planet with a Brougham and Austin Somerset sharing the space.
Ahh, a vehicle out of my past. I will confess that it was not in my top ten of favorites, but my 89 Brougham was a pleasant cruiser, as long as the highway entrance ramps were long enough. My seats were leather (with this interior color) but they were quite comfy. That back seat was REALLY soft.
Those plastic grilles are a mite fragile. Mine tried to fall out after I had bumped the workbench at the front of the garage one time too many. I had to fabricate some patches for the attachment points (leftover roofing flashing is a great bit of scrap to work with) and got mine reattached. Someone may have taken the easier approach on your car.
Once you get the heater core fixed, the HVAC system should be really nice – so long as it works. And I don’t recall that fuel lock system – either my car didn’t have that option, or I just never noticed the thing in the trunk.
I love your Cadillac purchase. I wish the auto manufacturers were still putting the carpeting at the bottoms of the doors instead of cheap plastic. A touch of class.
Given your attraction to smaller, offbeat, and/or project cars, this is a surprise for sure! It really shows how open-minded you are. There is an appealing authenticity to these Cadillacs, as well.
You’ve always been one of my favourite writers at CC. Consistently, presenting the neatest topics, and interests. Thank you!
Thank you for the compliment!
I cannot say why I like these only that I do. They are the end of an era vehicle in size and format in many ways as well as close to the end for the carburetor.
I definitely get the appeal, and applaud your courage for braving family disapproval and squeezing this into the garage. Excellent.
How do you plan on attacking the roof? I suppose that there’s some expensive “get a roof specialist” to finish it approach…but is there some way that you can deal with that work yourself?
Ah, nice car and it so happens to be between 88-92 which I prefer. I can also hear you on the large American car. While I am always looking out for 88-92 Mazda 626 car (none left), a manual 240 Volvo (not 85-87), Saab 900S, or 505 (fat chance). I like small cars but I too like large American cars. Aaron65 asked, in another thread, what I got the itch for? Well they are large consisting of 90-97 Town Car, 98-07 Grand Marquis, 98-07 Crown Vic. The Vics are all ex-police cars while Grand Marquis are generally in much better shape but rarer. Watching a 98 that is grossly over priced. The Town Car would be first choice and there is one I am watching but once again priced about 2X what it’s real value is so I wait. Of course, your Caddy wouldn’t be turned away IF one appeared. If one is going to be nuts one might as well go all the way…
These RWD cars both downsized and aged far more gracefully than the FWD Cadillacs of the era. Although it’s probably not needed, how feasible is an engine swap in this generation? While a Chevy engine would be sacrilege an Oldsmobile 350 should fit and has some Cadillac applications or go full send with a 403 for a stately barge with a surprising turn of speed
Trivial. Tow package came with Chevy 350 and a 700R4. Father had a ‘89 (‘90?) d’Elegance with this setup. I would love one of those with a 6.0 ls
You will need stiffer front springs and shocks and a stronger transmission for a big cast iron engine like the 403 or Cadillac 425 or 368 (both used the 500 block, IIRC). It would be easier to find a ’77-’81 version and retune it for performance.
An Olds 350 would be an easy swap but the four speed overdrive is not known for its strength so it might be advisable to bring the 3 speed from the donor along. This car, for me, is not about speed so I will probably leave it alone engine wise. And as mentioned it does not feel like a slug but I have not got much time behind the wheel yet.
The 403 was an Olds engine, a 350 block with siamesed cylinders. Also used in late ’70s Firebirds, Electras, and of course Olds 98 and 88. They’re quite durable but not for racing, as the Pontiac crowd would have liked.
My 89 Fleetwood Brougham deElegance had that engine and had plenty of power for me. Subsequent 93 Brougham had fabled Corvette engine, but was troubled with multiple issues. Not up to quality of 89. BUT, I’ve always been for comfort, not speed! 😉. 😎
My godmother had the full boat (boat being the operative word lol) version of the 4 door V8-6-4.
I absolutely loved that car for probably many of the reasons people hated it.
It was long, wide, and could’ve qualified as a float in a parade.
Several yards of bunting, decorative flags and a person waving aircraft docking wands as it proceeded down the route would be a belly laugh experience.
It was an ostentatious, flagrant example of conspicuous consumption and proudly projected and flaunted every pound and foot of wretched excess.
Hers was one of few that had no issues with the 8-6-4 engine, though it could be less than refined when it switched modes.
It cornered like the Forestall and felt like it had twizzlers for suspension, and marshmallows for shocks.
It was like driving your living room sofa, except the sofa was still!
‘Driving’ it was more of a theoretical exercise than anything else.
That, however was not the point. It was the immersion and the experience of the car, from it’s sheer size, to it’s take no prisoners “I’m big, obscenely so, garish and unrestrained and proud of it.”
“So take that, move over, and envy me.”
I loved it!
We must have been twins separated at birth! Had 89 BROUGHAM DEELEGANCE and loved it. A rolling living room with OTT excessive old school elegance and comfort. Mine had plush velvet tufted interior. Always drew attention. Subsequent 93 BROUGHAM did not have same level of quality. Should never have let it go 🏆. Only car I ever owned that was larger was 78 Town Coupe. Loved watching other drivers watch with apprehension as I piloted those LAND YACHTS around corners! Currently have beautiful low mileage 2007 Town Car Signature Limited. Last generation of great American 🇺🇸 luxury vehicles.