Picking up from where I left off on my previous post, let’s peruse some more of the cars owned by my father over the years.
1978 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
As I previously mentioned, my dad owned a roofing company when I was growing up. My dad purchased the business from his father (my grandfather) in 1974, but this was no handout. The roofing company was my grandfather’s retirement nest egg, and he wasn’t about to let it go to his son (or anyone else) for anything less than its full market value. Dad had to heavily leverage himself in order to purchase the business. Suffice it to say the airplane had to go (regrettably never to return; My mom’s piloting days were done). This also meant that Mom had to drive the 1971 Galaxie 500 until it was pretty much used up (which back in those days was after about five or six years), while Dad had to make do with a variety of company pickup trucks for his personal transportation needs. I already discussed some of the traumas this caused in the first part of this post.
By 1978, the business was doing well enough that we were able to move to a bigger house in a nicer part of town, and Dad was able to treat himself to his first new car since 1971. Like most of his subsequent cars, it was leased by the business to reduce his personal tax burden.
So we headed out to Tynes Chevrolet-Cadillac in Delaware, Ohio to pick out a car, a shiny new 1978 Monte Carlo (I would always accompany him on his new car purchases from then on). This was the first time I had ever been in a new car dealership, and in my 10-year old eyes, it was way better than any candy shop or toy store.
1978 was the first year of the post-Colonnade Monte Carlo. While to my modern eyes the 1973-77 Colonnade Montes look far better than their bland successor, at the time the Colonnade look was getting stale, the 1978 model seemed clean and contemporary by comparison, with its crisply folded lines.
Dad’s MC was very well equipped and being his first new car in seven years, it was full of wondrous gadgets I had never seen before, like a tilt steering wheel and an 8-Track player that I thought was cleverly integrated (you pushed the tape through the radio dial, which was actually a hinged door). My Dad didn’t own any 8-track tapes at the time, to the dealer threw in a demo tape with a Cadillac label that was presumably only supposed to be proffered to Cadillac purchasers.
It came in what to my eyes was a rather unusual color combination: It was red with a white landau roof, and a whorehouse red tufted velour interior. This was our family car, but it didn’t bother us too much that the back seat passengers had to crawl through a narrow opening and navigate a web seat belts to get in and out of the back. This was the peak of the Personal Luxury Coupe era, and only losers and cheapskates drove 4-door cars. It was probably safer for us kids too, as 4-door cars of the era locked the child safety locks that modern cars have.
Being a GM car of the 70s, and the first year of a new model generation, the car was not without problems. The 3.8L V6 seemed very rough (especially compared to the V8 in the Galaxie). The car frequently shook at idle and under acceleration. The frameless door glass didn’t seal very well and leaked wind (and occasionally water) at highway speeds. And those plastic rub strips around the front bumper started to discolor and fall out almost immediately.
It’s kind of amazing what people put up with back then: The late ’70s and early ’80s were truly a low point for Detroit.
1985 Chevy Van 20 Conversion
I’ve already covered the next several vehicles by Dad purchased is other COAL posts (a 1981 Plymouth Reliant and a 1981 Pontiac Bonneville Diesel), so I’m going to skip ahead a few cars here.
I gotta admit, I did not see this one coming. Every time I thought I had my Dad’s car-buying habits figured out, he would come up with something like this, just to keep me on my toes. If you didn’t live in the midwest in the ’80s, this one is going to be kind of hard to explain.
In Ohio during the ’80s, conversion vans were everywhere. Forget about Cadillacs or Lincolns: Nothing had said that you had arrived like arriving in a full-sized conversion van. Just as the Brougham Epoch was winding down for cars, conversion vans came along and picked up the torch with their pillow-tufted velour seats, captain’s chairs, recessed lighting, and inexpensive (probably pine) wood trim, screwed right into the factory dashboard and trim pieces.
This was a pure Clark Griswold move on the part of my father: He had visions of lots of family bonding taking place during road trips in this rolling living room. He wasn’t wrong: At the time, we were doing lots of traveling (between summer vacations, high school activities, and lots of college visits for both me and my brother). My dad would even set up the table in the back and use it as a rolling office while I chauffeured him around in summers. To be honest, there are far worse ways to ply the freeways.
This was the vehicle in which I experienced my first blowout, which happened when I was chauffeuring my Dad around one summer. It was surprisingly uneventful – not at all like what you see on TV with cars spinning out and rolling over upon losing a tire. Like most conversion vans, it has the spare tire mounted outside the rear door. What it lacked, however, was any kind of jack or lug wrench. Luckily a kind semi truck driver pulled over and helped us switch the tire.
The van was a breeze to drive, at least on the freeway. Around town, it was a different story. The forward seating position (relative to the front axle) meant that you had to turn into corners and parking spots much later than you were used to. Rear visibility was non-existent: Backing out of a parking spot was always a white-knuckle experience.
This vehicle had other demerits. The “doghouse” over the engine intruded on the front seat legroom (although it did do a better than expected job of keeping noise and heat from the engine compartment out). It was equipped with a 5.0L 4-bbl V8, good for a whopping 160 hp and 245 lb-ft of torque. While it wasn’t exactly slow, it certainly wasn’t fast. It was equipped with an early version of GM’s EEC (Electronic Engine Control), and from the day we got it, it never really ran right. We experienced constant problems with hesitation and backfiring that the dealer could never fix, so we just learned to deal with the problems and the constantly illuminated check engine light.
The (non-powered) sliding side door was heavy and tricky to operate, especially when parked on a hill. And for a vehicle that was supposed to encourage sightseeing, visibility was extremely limited through the four gun slot side windows and their accompanying blinds and curtains.
Like many vehicles, the Chevy van served a certain purpose at a certain point in time. Once my brother and I had gone on to college and left the nest, the van’s raison d’être had evaporated: Indeed, its girth and inefficiency had become a liability at that point.
That’s all for now. Come back next week for Part 3 to see what he replaced it with.
Yes, the colonnade look was getting stale, but I still found the successor to be a downgrade. It is interesting that the V6 was so rough, as your 1978 version would have been the new “even firing” design.
And yes, the conversion van craze! Those had become popular in the late 70s, though they became scarce for a few years due to the recession and high gas prices. They stubbornly hung on into the 90s as Jason Shafer can attest. They really did make for pleasant family travel.
While it’s taken nearly ten years, that silly van is endearing itself to me. It’s still not as versatile as a pickup. 🙂
Tom is right as these vans are a good way to travel. Having driven a few Chevrolet vans of the generation his father had, they were rather rough around the edges, although I never had problems driving even the extended wheelbase versions in town. The Dodge vans from that era definitely drove better, but I have never driven a Ford van older than a ’95 model.
Ours was up-fitted local to where we now live. Several years ago I talked to someone who had worked there and he referred to these things has “van-o-saurus”. They truly were dinosaurs by 2000 when ours was built.
The Chevrolet was my least favorite of the three. The Ford was smoother and more refined, but a bit less rigid in its structure, while the Dodge was the most rigid of the three, if less refined. The Chevy seemed to be the worst of both worlds, though they did seem to have a pretty decent service record. But when one ran poorly as this one did, I would have a hard time living with it.
The ’78 Monte Carlo looks overstyled to me, with hints of Triumph Mayflowet in its’ attempts to drape the older models’ flowing lines on the downsized models’ space-utilization prioritizing hard points. Funny thing is, GM did deliver a very classy and stylish two-door on the new ’78 A/G platform, the Malibu coupe, but it wasn’t pushed as hard as the Monte and was handily outsold by it.
I called the conversions ‘disco sex vans’. They were an interesting fad, weren’t they?
Maybe not, JPC. If said V6 was a Buick, then yes it was even fire. However if said V6 was the 3.8L/229 cid Chevrolet it was a “semi” even fire as the crank pins were split only 18 degrees, not 30 like the Buick. The Chev V6 did not become a true even fire until the 4.3L arrived in 1985. And yes the early ones were kind of rough.
Oops, I meant the 3.3L/200 cid V6. The Chev 3.8L did not arrive until 1980. My bad.
In summing up Ohio, you summed up Michigan. Those conversion vans were everywhere when I was a kid, mostly Chevrolets from what I remember. Then there were the Monte Carlos, Cutlasses, Regals, and sometimes Grands Prix. I can’t remember which one held the sales lead in our town, because they were so ubiquitous that they just blended in. I actually like the ’78-’80 Monte Carlo a lot more now than I did then, and I still like the Monte Carlo SS that came along later. There were a bunch of those around.
I’ve been watching the first season of “CHiPs,” which is a CCers’ dream. The first season was 1977-78 and you can tell that the conversion van craze was in full effect.
I can remember a smattering of them in California as I was growing up. A neighbor up the street had a Dodge Ram conversion that had “FAMILY WAGON” written on the spare tire cover in the back in large, gaudy letters.
The only conversion van I drove was a class B RV that I owned very briefly. It was a ’96 Ram, and it was not fun to drive. It had adequate power, but it was big and heavy, not easy to stop, and very difficult to see out of. Of course, the vans today, like the Promaster or Sprinters, look absolutely outsized and gigantic to me. Maybe it doesn’t feel like that when you’re driving one, but they are much too large for my taste.
I miss conversion vans, and if they were still a thing (i.e., reasonably priced and sized like they were when your father bought his), there’s a good chance I would own one.
My wife’s family had a GMC that was awfully similar to your dad’s van — they owned it for about 15 years or so, and took lots of trips in that van. Her parents got rid of it only because (like your own experience) with the kids grown and with the van being pretty awful in snow, they wanted a car that better fit their needs. But her whole family has fond memories of the conversion van.
It still sometimes amazes me that coupes and PLCs were used so frequently as primary family cars in their day. We had a ’77 Monte Carlo as our “big car” when I was about 10, which was the year my youngest brother was born. So we were a family of 5 at that point. Little bro started out in the center of the front seat in a rear-facing GM baby seat and transitioned to the back seat before the car was replaced in 1980…with that year’s Toronado. I was in college before either of my parents owned a 4-door car. Crazy times. Mom’s car, the one we went to sports practice and carpooled in was always a little manual shifted hatchback coupe when I was a kid. I vividly remember 4-6 kids plus Mom travelling to swim team practice in a ’79 Plymouth TC3. Today she’d be arrested for child endangerment.
Fortunately we missed the conversion van craze. My father borrowed a new Econoline conversion from a family friend, replete with wild graphics, shag carpeted interior and all the fixin’s one Friday night in maybe 1977 to take my brothers, our neighbors and some visiting cousins to the drive-in to see “Corvette Summer”. We thought it was the coolest thing ever and tried to encourage the folks to get one. I think there might have actually been a brief foray into shopping and pricing them out, but my mother refused to drive such a monstrosity, so we were ultimately spared the indignity.
My folks bought a new ’78 Caprice Classic in that same paint, “Carmine Poly”, code № 3096. Theirs had a blood-red vinyl interior, though.
As to the van, well, yeah! Ya gotta have one of these:
If someone will please fish my comment out from the trash; I’ll be grateful.
My father has owned some winners over the years, in no particular order:
Ford Mustang (6 cyl)
VW Beetle
Simca
Torino station wagon (with Di-noc wood trim)
Subaru wagon 1600(?, had spare under hood anyway)
Renault 18i
Chevy Vega
Circa 1990 my wife suddenly decided that she had to have a conversion van. After some intense shopping we ended up with a Chevrolet Astro van with the 4.3 V6/AOD combination. The conversion part of the van consisted of captain’s chairs up front, two more captain’s chairs in the middle and an uncomfortable bench seat in the back. The bench seat came out fairly easily so it would be removed whenever we took the Astro on any kind of road trip. I was in the Army National Guard then and found out that if you took out the bench seat and one of the mid-row captain’s chairs you had a spacious and reasonably comfortable area that could be used for sleeping in inclement weather.
It didn’t take very long for my wife to lose most of her interest in the conversion van. She never quite mastered the art of using the outside mirrors before changing lanes (the inside mirror was pretty useless for anything other than watching the passenger area). After her third or fourth near miss in a lane change she decided that it was time for the Astro to leave; I offered to switch vehicles with her but she had made up her mind and we were car shopping once again. I don’t really remember how long we had the Astro before it was traded for a Celica; I do know that we ended up taking a financial bath on the deal as we absorbed a huge amount of depreciation. Oh well, life marches on.
My grandfather (not the one with the El Camino, my other one) made his own conversion of a ’69 Ford Econoline into a camper. I have fond memories of that van (including the massive hump between the two front seats which, as a kid, I thought was cool). I remember once we drove across Oregon to go fishing on the Snake River, camping in different spots along the way. He built all the interior components of the camper himself- all the cabinetry, beds, and fold-down table. My grandma made curtains, pillows, and other decorative items. Great memories. I sure wish I had a picture of that van.