(first posted 2/2/2013) The story of dad’s wagon is the story of a loyal friend–one that was always there, but was largely unappreciated until later in life. At least that’s how I, as an adult looking back, feel about it now. But in the ’80s and ’90s, to a teenage kid growing up as a car guy it was merely a tool for a job, like dad’s saber-saw. You asked for permission to borrow it (or not), used it, and then put it back where you found it (or not). It was the most unappreciated car in the family fleet, but one so closely linked to the memory of my dad that I honestly can’t think of one without the other being there. I am truly grateful to have known and spent time with both of them while they were here.
The story begins in the summer of 1987. My father, sister and I were on the hunt for a “new” station wagon. Dad decided that his ’81 Subaru wagon was in need of replacement (this is the only picture I could find that showed the front half of it). As a military man in the National Guard, he put a lot of miles on a car–seemingly going to every Army base in the east–and his trusted Subaru wagon was starting to look the worse for wear. The Subaru was a five-speed 4WD wagon with cream-colored steel wheels and a tubular brush guard on the nose. It was a cool little wagon in its own right, and it rewarded my dad with a quarter-million miles of service. Too many winters in suburban Philadelphia had taken their toll on the old Subie: Rust was setting in, and its constant need for expensive exhaust parts and CV joints was starting to add up.
I didn’t realize it then (buying a new car was quite the event in my household, and my sister and I were caught up in the excitement of the day), but that trip to the “golden mile”, in Springfield, PA, would be the last time we’d see the Subaru’s funky plaid seats. (Find a picture online and check out those seats!)
Springfield’s “golden mile” was a large collection of car dealerships on Baltimore Pike in Suburban Philly, not far from our home in Collingdale, PA. Some dealerships are still there, but today it’s more a collection of strip malls and box stores. We stopped at a few dealerships that day but ultimately wound up at the used-car lot at Key Buick, a cool-looking place built into the side of a hill. There was a ramp around back that allowed them to park new Buicks on the roof.
My dad had decided that he wanted a car with a V6 power plant capable of pulling a boat. Keep in mind that this was the 80s: The threat of another energy crisis was always just around the corner, so no V8’s were in the cards, and back then nobody drove a truck. My dad, as a recently divorced father of two, was not in the market for a new car; thus was the new, space-age Taurus wagon out of our range. Also, dad never seemed too keen on the idea of a minivan. That left the GM midsize wagons as the likely candidates.
As we walked down the aisle of used cars, parked with their noses out on the street, we were awash in a sea of GM A-bodies. Being the car geek I was (and am), I immediately went to work opening doors and popping the hood of every car on the lot looking for V6s. I don’t remember how many I looked though as my dad, my sister and the salesman (no doubt annoyed with my enthusiasm, and probably equally annoyed that I knew more about the cars than he did) followed. I eventually came across the one we would take home: a 1984 Pontiac 6000 LE station wagon. With its fleece-like maroon interior, power everything, soft touch padded dash, light faux wood grain sides on maroon metallic flake paint, roof rack and wire wheel hubcaps, it looked so plush and luxurious compared with the old Subaru.
Picture: hartog’s photostream
While this isn’t our car, it is a well-preserved example, sporting the same equipment and split bench seats, in white with a brown interior.
For some reason, I always felt that the split grille with its Pontiac center-arrow gave it a sporty look next to its A-body siblings. It kind of harkens back to the face sported by the Trans Am and other Pontiacs through the latter half of the 70s. Best of all, it had GM’s 2.8-liter V6, which delivered both a boat-pulling 120 hp and fuel economy in the mid-20s! After the salesman demonstrated the slick tailgate that let you open the rear glass or the entire tailgate, and the fold-up rear facing seats, we were hooked.
Picture: hartog’s photostream
My most vivid memories of the day were of sitting in the driver’s seats of a Thunderbird in the used-car lot and a brand-new, white 1987 Buick Regal Turbo-T with T-tops in the showroom–experiences that undoubtedly fueled my love for both those cars. Although much later I would own a Thunderbird, thus far I’ve been denied a Grand National.
The next thing I knew, we were saying our sad goodbyes to the Subaru and heading home in our new-to-us Pontiac wagon. I remember becoming acquainted with GM’s all-American style on the ride home: the flat speedometer, plush seats, the pull-out knob for the lights, the multi-function turn signal stalk with wiper and cruise control switches, and the three-speed automatic with its column (not floor-mounted) shifter. It seemed like the polar opposite of the Subarus, Hondas, Mustangs and Beetles that had preceded it.
The Army mechanic who serviced it for my dad in the early years was less than enthusiastic about it: In his own words, “GM V6s are garbage.” Typical of early A-bodies, the wagon was not a trouble-free car, although it would prove far more durable later in its life. Once, the alternator crapped out on a trip to the Jersey shore, thus costing us a day at the beach. There were also intake manifold leaks, multiple trips to the dealer involving Check Engine lights, and that awful computer-controlled carburetor, with the electric choke that never worked right. But the greatest flaw was the brakes: No car that I had driven–or ever would drive–had worse brakes. The pedal had a spongy, over-boosted feel, and in anything but dry weather it would lock up the rear and try to swap ends. It was ultimately fixed by changing the proportioning valve, but not before the chrome rear bumper of a 70s-jellybean Chevy Nova had left its impression in the front bumper:
But as was typical with my dad, this setback became a father-son project opportunity to fix the still new-looking wagon. There’s my dad posing with the crunched fender.
After a junkyard fender painted by our Army mechanic, a new bumper and brackets and a new left grille, she looked as good as new. It’s funny and fitting that the only pictures of the car during the early years were taken because of an accident.
Cars were always my hobby, but home improvement was my dad’s. Dad would finish the basement in our house in Collingdale by carting home all of the necessary supplies inside (or on the roof rack of) the wagon. After I got my license, I would often borrow the wagon to scrounge though junkyards and swap meets to find parts for my project car, a 65 Mustang; my dad’s project, a 49 Plymouth; and parts to cheaply keep my ’82 Honda Civic on the road. The wagon was the vehicle of choice for carting me and my like-minded friends whenever we needed something that wouldn’t fit in my Honda.
During one of my dad’s trips home from Fort AP Hill in Virginia, the electric fan switch stopped working and the car started to overheat in traffic. Dad couldn’t pull over since he was going through cattle shoots for miles. He had just made it to an exit when the overheated engine seized solid. But after it cooled down, helped by a little WD40 in the spark plug holes and new oil and coolant, it actually started and drove 150 miles home without incident. I’m pretty sure it had suffered a cracked head or block from the experience, but we never did fix it, since by this time it was our secondary car. My dad did, however, replace the faded original faux woodgrain with darker self-adhesive vinyl from a craft store.
My ’82 Honda and a 1949 Plymouth project car, a running car that my dad owned for a while, are also present in this picture under the maple tree. The old wagon soldiered on, just like this, for years longer as our family hauler. After I installed some load-leveling coil spring shocks in the back, it could pretty much take whatever you could fit inside or strap to it. The wagon moved me to my first apartment in New Jersey in 2001, moved me back to PA in 2003, and even moved us into our current house in 2004.
Here it is, sitting next to my 95 Thunderbird, in 2002. Such a contrast; that boxy, formal GM style of the 80s juxtaposed with the swooping curves on the Thunderbird of a decade later.
By the mid 2000s, the wagon was still kicking but getting pretty rusty and tired. It would run on five cylinders until it warmed up; after a few minutes, the sixth would gradually start firing but always, the power was down. Still, the car would regularly help my dad and me by hauling whatever we needed for our seemingly endless home improvement projects. My dad loved to push the limit of his little wagon. Here it is, still at work in 2006, holding a 32 ft. extension ladder on its roof rack (not recommended).
I enjoyed getting to push the limits of the wagon with him. All the replacement windows and drywall in my house arrived here in (or on) the wagon. The 289 V8 for my Mustang was transported, with transmission still attached, by the wagon. Even plywood and drywall came home on the wagon. There is nothing I enjoyed more than pulling up to the contractor loading area at home improvement stores, right next to a Ford Super Duty or a dually Dodge being used to haul a few bags of mulch, and helping my Dad strap eight sheets of drywall to the roof rack (also not recommended). In case you were wondering, eight sheets of drywall is as much as a GM A-body roof rack can take without bending in the surrounding roof area.
Our wagon’s peeling vinyl wood grain, scratches, and worn and abused interior were badges of honor from many battles fought. The Pontiac wagon from 1984, with the “garbage V6” brought back from the dead with WD40, was unstoppable. Our family had no truck; our family needed no truck.
In June 2007 my dad was diagnosed with Stage Four cancer and was given about a couple of months to live. Both he and his wagon soldiered on as well as they could, even as his health deteriorated. He was still working on his house and still helping me with mine even while getting chemotherapy and regular radiation. That’s what he loved to do, so that’s what he did for as long as he still could. After he could no longer drive, the wagon sat idle for a couple of months–probably the longest period of its entire life that it had sat still. On October 6, 2007, my father died at home, his family by his side.
Later that day I walked back to the maple tree next to the driveway and saw the wagon sitting there. It looked tired. I sat in its worn interior, put the key in the ignition, and turned it. The engine cranked slowly, but did not start. I tried it again for another five seconds, until the battery had nothing left to give, but still nothing… not even a kick or cough from the engine. I thought for a moment about attaching jumper cables to my car and trying again, but I didn’t. Looking back now, I think it was probably best that the wagon’s story ended there on that day. A few weeks later, the wagon was hauled off on the back of a Ford Super Duty flatbed (how insulting) as scrap metal.
During the preceding weeks, I had thought long and hard about keeping it, but why? I have no time for the projects I have now, and what good would it do me to watch this old car rust away in my driveway? The reality is that it’s probably difficult if not impossible to restore such a rusty and abused old car–especially one from a generation of disposable cars that (almost) nobody cares about anyhow. I consider myself very lucky to have had many of my father’s tools passed down to me, and that got to spend the time I did with him–still, I must admit that there are times I regret not keeping his wagon.
Thank you for your story. 20 years of utility from a disposable car. You picked a winner. I can use something like it.
Very nice story of how an automobile can bring memories of indelible stories to our lives.
Great write up about a car that became part of family life. Also a great reminder to appreciate and see people that matter in your life while you can, because the opportunity often slips by too quickly.
Great story. I love how this wagon became a major thread in the fabric of your lives.
What a great story–thanks for sharing it.
The pictures brought back memories of my HS girlfriends family car, it was a similar vintage Chevy Celebrity with a V6. After driving only 4 cylinder cars in my early driving days the V6 felt really powerful to me too.
That is an excellent story about a car that I never thought much about. Keep writing.
Great story, thank you.
Great story.
I do wonder though why if your father was using the wagon for towing he didn’t look for one with a Buick V6 or maybe even the diesel V6.
Then again, I’m not exactly sure what the spec difference is on a ’84 3.0L versus the ’84 2.8L (I’m thinking they had the same HP but the Buick one had more torque), and a 3.8L Century wagon might have been slightly pricey in those days.
Well, a V6 was a V6 to my dad, and he bought what was on the used car lot. As you said, the Buicks were more money than the 6000 and the Celebrity. I seem to recall there being Buicks to choose from but I’m sure the Pontiac was the right price.
An interesting side note, of all the jobs the wagon did, it never once pulled a boat! 🙂
I love this story and that little tidbit about never pulling a boat reminds me so much of my dad. We actually did have a boat for awhile, which was pulled by a Chevy Lumina. Then the Lumina’s engine blew up and he traded the boat to a garage in exchange for having the engine rebuilt. When it was time to replace the Lumina, he got an Astro van with the specific intention of towing a (yet-to-be-purchased) replacement boat. Had that for about 10 years, never pulled a boat. Replaced it with a Grand Marquis – because it was a big, full-frame car that could tow a boat… had a trailer hitch, never got a boat. It’s also long gone!
I am going this weekend to look at a 1986 6000 wagon, hoping to buy it. And make it mine .I love the old cars.
It is a 1986 6000 6 cylinder pontiac.
This is my 1986 pontiac 6000 le
What a beauty! Thanks for sharing.
I too recently recalled the 6000 (from the days before the beigemobiles). Both grandmas had one at one point. I was just an itty bitty child back then, but sure do remember them.
We cousins were about 10 years old and we’d “steal” Grandma’s 3rd car, the 6000, and bomb around while she was out busting her hump in the family business. One day she let me drive it with her aboard–I too remember the brake lock-up.
Both grandmas kept them for years with over 200k a piece. The one I drove ended up in the junkyard because Grandma got t-boned because she “had the right-of-way”. She, however, survived the accident, two cancers and many rounds of chemo, and is blessing another generation of grandchildren.
Pontiac FTW!
God bless the greatest generation.
Thanks for sharing this story of your dad and his “companion”, the 6000. I can’t say I didn’t choke up a little. It’s great that you got so many photos of it to remember it by, and maybe that made it easier to let go. This story is a good reminder that any car can be “special”, even if it’s not a Cadillac or a Trans Am! Here’s to to your dad and the 6000.
And by the way, I’m hoping you’ll share more about your ’82 Civic. I’m sure there are more stories (and photos) there!
The 82 Civic is next on my list, and yes it has many stories to tell.
I too enjoyed your story very much, and I’d certainly encourage you to write more here.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for taking the time to share!
A wonderful story, thank you for it.
I have always loved the A body wagon, especially after 1987 when GM (for a while anyway) made real efforts to improve the quality of its products. When I returned from Asia in 2004 I looked high and low for an A body wagon, preferably a Ciera with 3.3 litre and overdrive automatic. I couldn’t find one anywhere, a testament to their popularity.
Even if I didn’t already have a thing for the Pontiac 6000, I was moved by this piece. Thanks for sharing some irreplaceable memories of your father and your family’s faithful servant.
BTW: that maroon is my favorite color on these. Too bad your car didn’t have the MultiPort 2.8: those were peppy little suckers.
I never got the animosity goobers had over the GM 60′ V-6s motors. Some of the early ones had some head and intake gasket problems but but the second or third year they were robust motors ideally suited to American conditions. They were torquey, made decent power, good on fuel and could take a lot of abuse. The 3.1 was especially good and could power an A body very nicely.
I briefly owned the ultimate Pontiac 6000, which I’ll bet you would have loved. An 88 STE with the 3.1 MPI engine and AWD. It was maroon with gold metallic flake in the paint. Also had the alloy wheels with gold accents. Had high mileage so I got it for essentially nothing from my uncle. I was in the process of fixing it up (had air-suspension issues) when it was stolen from in front of my mother’s house. We found it later, it was totaled, and stripped. I have never seen another AWD 6000.
Unfortunately, I have no pictures of this car. 🙁
The Pontiac 6000 STE — oh, how I would love to find one. There seem to be almost none left! Come to think of it, even though they got a lot of press, I don’t think more than a handful were sold in the first place! I do look for them…
What kinda schmuck steals a car like that?! Too bad… the AWD 6000 was so cool. I’ve never seen one in person, but I’m sure that there will be a CC on them eventually. There was an article in either Hot Rod or HPP many years ago where the 6000 AWD and other limited-run GM cars from that era were discussed. Apparently it was a pet project of a small group of engineers at Pontiac and never intended for production… just a development testbed for the AWD drivetrain. However, since Audi and Subaru were making serious inroads at the time selling something similar, GM decided to dip it’s feet into that market. If I’m remembering correctly they only built something like 1,000 a year from ’88-’90.
The GM’s from this era were easy to steal, and favorite targets for the joyrider / petty thief on the go. I think that you are taught how to do this in shop class at the schools in my area 🙂
Stealing a GM car with tilt-wheel is only a flathead screwdriver away!
Oh, and you’re right — I’d love to own a 3.1 STE 6000.
They were easy to steal *if* you knew what you were doing. Our 1986 Pontiac 6000 wagon migrated back with us to Europe, where these were unknown. Several attempts were made to get the doors open, but only scratched paint and a screwed up door lock were achieved as a result.
It’s a bit like the radio. The 6000 had a good set of speakers (and was a pretty quiet car, at least with the V6), so it was a great place to enjoy music. In the US, that worked great. In Europe, somehow one could never get decent reception, except very occasionally. I never worked out why. It seems US and European FM radios are different wavelengths…
My parents had one of these for 12 years. Sure yours wasn’t an 89? (was it 2 tone or monotone?) The 88’s were 2 tone and had the flat rear window and no gold wheels.
Regardless, too bad it lost its life like that. I’ve got so many stories about my parent’s car it isn’t even funny. Unfortunately the ABS system turned theirs into a parts car also (nothing else was wrong and it only had 115K miles on it). At the time you couldn’t buy a new Teves abs pump/controls new or rebuilt..very sad. If I had been in the position to keep it I would still have it..oh well I’ll fine another someday.
It may have been an 89. Memory getting fuzzy on this one as I didn’t have it long. It was a monochrome paint scheme with a gold accent strip that went around the car from the bumpers to the door moldings. I know that the AWD was extremely rare in the 6000. It had every conceivable option. Was also the first car that I had with 4 wheel disks. The AWD and wide tires made it quite an impressive handler for what it was.
that would have been and 89. 1213 made in 89, medium blue and dark garnet red metallic were the only two colors in 89, all with the gold trim. Only option was a CD player
88 could be had in any regular STE 2 tone combo, had the SE ground effects (89 also did only had a specific spoiler) with no spoiler and no gold trim. You could get leather in the 88, as well as a power sunroof. Only 127 made in 88.
Carlo, thank you for a moving and well-told story. I am sure it was tough to let go of the old car that was so intertwined with your father’s life. When my dad passed away some time back, I thought for a moment about buying his car, but he had only owned it for a few years and it was not one that I had much connection to.
I calculated that the little wagon served your family for 20 years – a good record of service for a workhorse of a vehicle. I am working on a similar record – this summer will mark 20 years since my mother bought the 93 Crown Victoria that is still out in my driveway serving as daily transport for my youngest daughter. I like the car, but each of my kids has developed a real attachment to it, as something that his been in the family their entire lives.
Wonderful story. Thank you for sharing both the car and your Dad with us.
I couldn’t help but think about the old children’s song “My Grandfather’s Clock” at the end. The line “It stopped short, never to go again, when my grandpa died” seemed very apropos here. The car knew when it’s work had been done.
I own a 1990 Buick Century Estate Wagon – white with navy cloth interior and woodgrain trim. It has 208K on the odometer and, except for a sagging headliner that will be fixed in the spring, is virtually immaculate and drives well. Being in the auto business, I have been fortunate to be able to attend to all of my cars` needs but the Century has been one of the most reliable vehicle that I have ever owned. It recently, December, completed a 600 mile round trip highway journey while returning over 28MPG. It is a southern car so it hasn’t suffered the environmental damage so many northern and coastal cars have. It has the Buick 3300 V6 (basically a smaller 3.8) with the 440T4 overdrive transmission a drivetrain that makes the car surprisingly quick and is very reliable. Every single thing works on this car down to the power antenna I cannot complain. I will likely be selling the car in June as I will likely be moving to another state for a job and its not practical to take such an old car with me especially since I will likely be likely be living in an apartment at first.
thanks for sharing the touching story about your family. it reinforces something that i’ve been thinking about lately. we all tend to fantasize about our dream car or some other object while we live our lives with whatever fate has given us. then later we realize how special some of these objects were to us. what could be better than sharing all those experiences with your father? would they have been greatly enhanced if you were driving a restored chevy nomad? i think not. i still fondly remember going on the road with my father in his second hand chevy ii wagon with three on the tree.
Thank you everyone for your supportive comments! I had been lurking for a long time here, had been thinking about this story for a while, and I finally decided to type it up.
I love reading the stories and seeing the pictures posted by all of you on this site and wanted to start giving back. Thank you Paul for giving us this forum, and thank you to the commentators that make this site as great as it is.
I have more memories from the photo albums that I’d like to share as I can get to them. I’ve owned Hondas, Nissans, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, and even a GM B body. Borrowing a line from Paul, they all have a story to tell. Most of them are gone now, as I live in the salt-loving Mid-Atlantic, so they aren’t really “Curbside Classics”, but they live on in pictures. This site makes me want to move to Eugene….
Carlo,
This was a terrific story. It’s fun sticking your foot in the article submission water.
Beautifully written Carlo
STEs sold fairly well back in the day ranging from about 15000 units in 1986 to about 2000 in 1988. Part of the reason that they are not seen so much now is that they were driven into the ground like so many other A-bodies. It was fairly expensive for a 6000 but not the same league as a luxury car so people were less apt to preserve them.
I think a lot of early STEs were junked due to their troublesome ABS systems. Parts were very expensive and when they failed, the cars actually lost most of their brakes as opposed to just losing the ABS feature.
I was loading up on $50-$100 80’s GM products at a certain impound auction I had discovered in the late 90’s and this is when most of the 6000s met their maker. In this incredibly stupid phase of mine, I ended up with six or seven 6000s in various stages of neglect. Some were wrecked, all were abused and every one of them still ran, and ran well. My favorite car of the bunch was an ’86 STE in Generic Silver. The ABS was hosed up and the car had about 10% brakes…despite my incredibly low safety standards, it was far too dangerous to drive.
It seems like the Celebrity and 6000 owners beat their cars to a pulp much more so than the Ciera and Century owners. It’s too bad because they were pretty much the same mechanically. I would love to find another 6000, preferably a maroon or jade one.
A 5-speed SE wagon would also work.
A 5-speed SE wagon would also work.
I wonder if any actually exist… if my memory is correct, the 5-speed was only available in ’87-’88 on the Celebrity and 6000 and wasn’t very common even on the sedans. It’s too bad Buick or Oldsmobile never offered a manual transmission with the 3.8l V6 – that would’ve been a pretty hot car with the FE3 suspension and four-wheel discs. The Celebrity could be ordered with a 4-speed (manual) behind the Iron Duke certain years, but those are pretty rare as well. Some sources also list the 4-speed as an option behind the diesel V6 for all A-bodies, but I dunno if I believe that one. Maybe something that was planned but never actually implemented.
I can tell you that they do exist. I have seen an SE wagon with the 5 speed. I have also seen an 87 STE with a 5 speed, an 84 Celebrity with the 4 speed and and 6000 SE sedan 5 speed.
Unfortunately all in a junkyard…
Cool! Too bad they were awaiting the crusher, but at least that’s proof they’re out there. I have seen a couple of 5-speed STE’s and 4-speed Celebritys come up for sale online, as well as Mexican A-bodies where the manual transmission is pretty common. Car & Driver tested a Eurosport VR with the 5-speed when they were new and if I’m remembering correctly, they ridiculed it for being gaudy and expensive – but liked the addition of the manual transmission and the A-body platform in general. The STE 5-speed was the same thing minus a gross $4,000 body kit, I’d love to have that as a daily driver.
How about the diesel/4-speed? Know anything about that one? I forget where I’ve seen this listed…
I have never actually seen a diesel A-body around here. I know they exist, I’ve never seen on in the flesh.
I remember that VR test also. I think that VR package made it more expensive than an STE, and it didn’t have the refinement or content. I always thought they were kind of sharp looking and a distictly 80’s sort of way.
A 2 door VR with a 5 speed would be a really cool find.
I saw a few A body diesels in the first few years they were made, but none since. The 6000 diesel IIRC had very large “DIESEL” badges on the trunk lid the same size and font as the “6000” or “6000•LE” badge. They really wanted everyone to know you were driving a car with an Oldsmobile diesel in it.
I’ve seen two 4.3 diesel A-bodies: one Ciera, one Century. Both were very loaded, clean, and at scrapyards. They are most interesting under the hood. The engine looks exactly like an Olds 350 with two cylinders lopped off. The valve covers looked exactly like their big brother’s valve covers only shorter. We are talking one packed-out engine compartment.
For a time the Pontiac 6000 was reported to have the highest quality rating of all GM vehicles. Since they were built on the same line as Chevy Celebrities, I wonder why the bowties didn’t enjoy much of a reputation for being well built. However, at work we had two 89 Celebrity wagons that each got 90K miles and we had virtually no problems. And the Iron Duke 4 would do an honest 30+ mpg on the highway.
ABS was announced for the 1986 cars but was not installed until 1987. It was a Teves Mark II system that was used on most GM cars offering ABS before 1990. It was considered an “integrated” system where the master cylinder booster and pressure regulation was all done in one unit. Later ABS units were separated so ABS failure did not affect braking. On STEs ABS cars were identified with wheel center caps with ABS logo. The cars also had 4 wheel disc brakes across the board. The most popular year was 1986 which coincidentally was the best year for performance and reliability. 88s and 89s had ABS and AWD. STE was transferred to the Grand Prix model for 1990.
Was it a three- or four-channel system? I know some of the early antilock systems managed both rear wheels together, rather than individually — I assume to save money.
My 1988 Buick Electra T-Type had that same antilock system, but the Buick had rear drums instead of discs. The electric pump pressurized the accumulator with brake fluid, and this pressurized fluid was used for the power assist as well as to operate the rear brakes (at least on the drum brake system).
When the pump failed, you had (theoretically) only manual-assist front brakes, but from my real-world failed-pump experience, the actual braking force that you could generate was slightly more than available from the parking brake. So basically, you were not going to stop anytime soon.
The Mopar minivans had this same antilock system, as did Thunderbird supercoupes. The cost for a rebuilt ABS unit was close to $2K before they became unobtanium. Failure of the unit in traffic could be hazardous to one’s health!
I actually bought a complete car (1990 Bonneville SSE) from a junkyard for $300, just to get the antilock brake stuff for spares (which I did end up using).
Are you sure about the T-Birds? I had a Jeep with a similar ABS system – wasn’t Teves but it worked fundamentally the same way – and it’s failure mode was exactly what you describe, and also horrifying/incredibly dangerous. I also had a T-Bird with ABS and for the life of me I can’t remember how it actually worked, but I do know that when the ABS eventually crapped out it just lost it’s anti-lock functionality, not power assist. That was an older Fox TC, not a Supercoupe – but I can’t imagine they went backwards with them!
Did GM end up issuing a lifetime warranty on these like Chrysler did? I still see tons of the C/H-body FWD cars and it seems like a lot of them were equipped with it.
My neighbor had two 1990 super coupes that I helped him work on. Exact same system as on my 1988 Buick (same failure modes as well). The parts were the same, but the pressure switch had a Ford connector shell on it vs. the one that GM used.
Great story ! From 1983 to 1996, I bought about 65 of these “A” body wagons as fleet cars for work. Mostly Celebrities, but some Olds Cieras. Early ones were iron dukes, mid were 2.8 MPI and the later ones were 3100’s.
I have a ’96 Century with 50k miles that I’m getting ready to sell, and that’s the last of the “A” bodies. (I still have a ’96 Roadmaster).
I also had an ’85 STE, purchased new. It had an offset head-on by a crazy lady in a DeVille the first month we owned. it. That was the beginning of the end. Probably the worst new car I ever owned, and I’m not sure it was all from the crash.
We also had an ’84 Sunbird wagon (bad steering rack made it cheap to buy), and I did an engine swap to make a turbo wagon. It was awesome.
Good times…
how many miles did it finally have?
We don’t know exactly, because the odometer didn’t work late in it’s life. I recall the odometer saying 18,000, and I know it rolled past 99,000 twice, so 218,000 is where the odometer stopped. My guess is around 230,000 to 240,000.
This reminds me…the digital odometer in that ’86 STE I had displayed 199,999 and did not move although it must have been getting the VSS input since its speedometer worked. I guess GM underestimated how long these things could last.
they all did that. Not sure why Pontiac decided 199999 was it, but that was the “mechanical” limit of the digital odo. I I can’t remember if the 199999 was the limit in the metric setting also..I have to assume it was. Once my Cruze gets up there in 3 or 4 years I’ll have to see if it is stuck at 199999 also.
Thank you for the story and for sharing your memories.
Carlo – great story, I’m glad you shared it with us.
Someday, if I grow the stones to do so, I will write about my dad’s journey to the US and him (inadvertently) starting my love affair with cars…
Geo, I hope you do write about it. I think it facinating to see where the disease started for others!
I used to own a 1983 Olds Ciera with the 4.3 diesel for little over a year. It was an interesting vehicle, it did not suffer from most of the ills that befell the 350 version. Diesels were fairly rare in any car after about 1982 but there were a few more Olds than the other cars because Olds was the push brand for diesel.
All of the early GM ABS systems (except for Allante) were based on the Teves Mark II integrated system that combined the master cylinder, resevoir, booster, and a pressure pump as one unit. When the system failed for some reason you did lose a significant amount of braking (although I have driven cars that have failed units). Ford used this system on some Turbo Coupe T-Birds, Supercharged T-Birds, and the Lincoln Mark VII. Prior Remanufacturing in Texas sells and rebuilds the units. By the early 90s, ABS technology had evolved so that most cars contained non-integrated units where the ABS hydraulic assembly is separate from the master cylinder. For those that want to read more about it here is a link: http://www.autozone.com/autozone/repairguides/Ford-Thunderbird-Cougar-1983-1997-Repair-Guide/TEVES-MARK-II-4-WHEEL-ANTI-LOCK-BRAKE-SYSTEM-ABS/General-Information/_/P-0900c1528006be67 that pretty much applies to all early ABS.
Most odometers on cars were 5 digit (+1 partial mile) it was common that early digital units did not roll past 199,999 even the Chrysler units did that as well. Tampering, fraud, and the general longevity of vehicle contributed to the rise of 6 digit odometers. My 90 Century has 208K and shows. Most cars today have odometers store electronically in the computer which makes tampering difficult. Most people did not car about the mileage of a car past 199,999 because at that point a car’s vaue was purely subjective to its condition and the interest level of a buyer.
http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/cars/T009-S001-10-cars-that-refuse-to-die-slide-show/index.html
My Grandmother had an 87 Pontiac 6000 LE wagon. It was light blue with wood paneling, and her first ever front wheel drive vehicle. She had it for about fifteen years and drove it back and forth from Florida southern New Jersey once a year. I always though the dash looked futuristic for the times.
I saw something in this article that relates to a problem my father-in-law is having. He has a 1990 Pontiac Bonneville SSE with a failed master cylinder on an ABS system. To have the master cylinder rebuilt is nearly $1000.00, so his mechanic planned to switch over to a non-ABS system. All the parts needed (cylinder and booster pump) can be purchased from Summit racing for $150., but the 2 proportioning valves that fit into the master cylinder for the rear brake lines are not included (supposed to use the old ones, but since this is a new set up he doesn’t have old ones). Remember these valves actually go into the master cylinder, so if anyone has a clue where these proportioning valves can be found, I’d appreciate a response. Thanks, Bill
Carlo, your story was great. It made me think of my Dad and how I wish I had at least one of his cars today. I lost my Dad to inoperable lung cancer in 1993. He always had wagons until his later years and this story makes me think of growing up with them. It is awesome how the Pontiac gave you so many years of great service. I think our country is too quick to dispose of something when it breaks. We simply don’t give things a chance. I have to admit when I read the end of your story it did bring a tear to my eye. Awesome writing.
Great story! I just acquired a 1984 6000 wagon. For a 29 year old car she’s in great shape, hopefully I’ll get her running soon. It’s been parked two years by the former owner and has no spark.
Update – the ’84 6000 is now running. Distributor module was the culprit!
Nice. A 6000 and a Roadmaster Estate? You’re a lucky man 🙂
I love this story about the 1984 Pontiac 6000 LE Safari wagon. I have a 1988 6000 LE Safari that I bought with 5,000 miles on it from Hertz Car Sales of Traverse City, Michigan in January 1989. I was living in Colorado at the time so I flew in, picked it up, and drove back that weekend. I drove the car every day, moving from Colorado to Michigan, then New Mexico, then Miami, Florida in 2001.
In August 2003 I bought my mom’s 1995 Mustang GT convertible and retired the Pontiac from daily use; it had over 240,000 miles on it, but it still ran. I had also joined the local antique auto club. Instead of buying and restoring an antique, though, I decided to keep the wagon and wait. I had it in a garage, and aside from the routine maintenance. replacing the rack-and-pinion, and switching the A/C to the new refrigerant, it’s held up remarkably well. It had picked up some rust in Michigan, and the moulding around the wood grain had peeled off (the wood grain itself is intact), so I had the rust repaired and the moulding recovered. It also came in handy; in 2008 the Mustang was totaled, and I pressed the Pontiac back into service for a year until I could replace the old Mustang with a new one for my daily driver.
On January 1, 2013, the Pontiac became an official antique, and I entered it in the national Antique Automobile Club of America winter meet last February in Lakeland, Florida, where it achieved its first Driver Participation certificate. And since the car, like many Pontiac 6000’s, was built in Ontario, I got a 1988 Ontario license plate set to wear at shows. I even found my old 1990 Uniden bag phone to mount on the hump in the front seat, just like I used to have it when I worked in Michigan.
It may not be a collector in a lot of people’s eyes, but that is in the eye of the beholder, and I really love this car.
My Dad bought an ’86 Pontiac 6000 S/E wagon back in the Summer of ’87. Ours had a floor shifter and the 2.8 V6. Fond memories of the old gal, which we brought back to France when we moved there in 1990. Big mistake on my Dad’s part, I guess — there were no Pontiacs in France at the time; he had to essentially bring it up to code to get a French licence plate, which took over a year and considerable pigheadedness on his part. It was not really suited to European roads — too long and wide, too thirsty, radio never seemed to work well, nobody could fix it… On the other hand, it was a rarity, we could fit all us 4 kids in there and more, and it had A/C, still a novel item in Europe in the ’90s. I remember him trying to floor it once as we were on the German Autobahn, where there are no speed limits. It started to shimmy and shake so bad it was like it was about to come loose. At about 100 000 miles on the clock, the transmission died and the Pontiac was definitely not worth saving any more. Sic transit gloria mundi…
Im 18 years old and my first car choice (which im still driving) was an A body ’86 Olds Cutlass Cruiser wagon and i have to say, out of all the cars ive driven and riden in nothing compares. Old cars have a soul, thats the truth.
Thanks for sharing your story… My brother died several weeks ago. Your memories in some ways, kind of paralleled ours with many loved ‘horses of the family,’ and including a 6000. It was pleasure to relive.
My story is pretty similar. Subaru is my car. I’ve had dl’s, Gl’s, a gt, legacy’s and an outback.. at 60k you had to change the timing belt and if you didn’t it would break. But never any engine damage. It would just slow to a stop and towing was free as long as the same garage would do the needed work..
We drove our ’84 gl wagon to Virginia and back one year with no issues. When we got back, someone hit us about half mile from the house! Totaled the Subie. While my wife was recovering from the wreck, I went car shopping. You guessed it! 84 6000 LE wagon. Bigger, auto trannie and plush. Spoke wheels too. But still, not a Subaru. For the next couple decades, no matter what the family car was, there was always a Subaru in the driveway. I just believe in them!
I like the 6000 Safari wagon, Its by far the most “hard-driving” wagon I wished were mine. Now since GM’s gotten rid of both Pontiac and Opel, It is still a GOOD WORKING car despite what others think. I only had one gripe though, they never made a 6000 STE Sportwagon! If Pontiac only had the moxie to create one instead of just sticking with just a Sedan version, it would’ve been a good fit…
That being said, I’ve been thinking about taking a Lotus V-8 (from an Esprit) and putting that into a ’91 6000 Wagon, fit an STE grille on it and cruise both BC and Washington roads looking for Supras, Mustangs, and Camaros for proper shading of their drivers. Think about it, an UBER-Pontiac 6000 STE sportwagon with a combo of Pontiac, Isuzu, Holden and Lotus components, it’s never been done (until now!).
Thank you for a very touching story. My Dad also had an ’84 6000 wagon, in the mid ’90s. I had high mileage but the 2.6 V6 still ran well though it was very loose and had valve noise. His car was dark brown outside and the exact same brown interior as your Dad’s, but without the woodgrain (which I think makes the car look better). Also lilke your Dad, mine passed away in Feb. 2017 also of cancer, aged 76.
Thank you Curbsideclassic and Paul for running my story again and on this day. What a perfect father’s day gift!
This is a great Father’s Day story. Glad Curbside Classics posted this again! Happy Father’s Day to ask the dad’s out there.
What a wonderful, poignant story. Happy Father’s Day.
Thanks for the great and really touching story. Like your Dad mine was a fix it guy. Besides home and auto repairs he taught himself how to fix electronics back in he early 1960s. He had a little sideline business fixing TVs and radios in the late ’60s. My Dad started driving wagons in the mid 60’s and they became his preferred vehicle. Back then a pick up was limited in passenger space while any wagon could handle three backseat passengers, perfect for me and my two brothers.
One way that the sentimental value of a vehicle is built through family experiences. Your Dad’s Pontiac was a central player in both of your lives. Whenever you see a similar wagon I know that you’ll have fond memories.
A few days ago there was a post that asked if the early Ford Explorer will be missed. I’d say yes. Just like the many minivans that we grew up with will be. Unfortunately only a few of these vehicles will be actively preserved.
Wow. What a fantastic story. Very touching. Seems fitting that the car “died” on the same day as your dad. I had a good laugh at the “8 sheets of drywall is all an A-body wagon can take…”!
I’ve long considered Ed Stembridge’s “Reqiem for a Truck” as my favorite story of all time here on CC, but this is a close second.
Again…fantastic story!
That was a beautiful story. Reminds me of the 1996 Chevy Caliver my great grandmother had. She drove the heck out of that old J body well into her 70’s. It was sold to a family friend who had it for several years afterward. Sadly, her delinquent son traded it for a gun and drugs for skipping town. A man with a gun came to her house and demanded the title at gun point, even threatened to put a hit on her son. She relented and that poor Chevy is probably sitting in a ditch someplace in New Mexico.
I know I’m very late, but this is a heart touching story.
I’m sorry about the loss of your dad, my dad passed when I was only 29 and I missed out on so much.
Dad bought a 1977 Corolla SR5 used and we used it for every thing as well! Plus he drove some ridiculous miles for work. He was not totally honest and disconnected the speedometer…not proud of that one. Anyway we drove that car for five years and only put tires, brakes and a fan clutch. We sold that car and dad did an estimate-it had close to 285,000 miles! Thankfully, when he sold it out right, he told the new owner the truth.
The end of that car came when a steel I beam came off a truck and went into the engine block. No injuries were reported.
My dad passed away from a heart attack after beating cancer.
Thanks for this story
Yikes, that exact brown bench-seat column-shift interior with even fewer options and gauges faced me for a few years in the late 1980s. Ugh.
Glad many of you have better 6000 stories and memories.
A loving tribute and great story Sir .
I like the square looks of this car, it looks like it’s ready for work .
Also nice you had a good relation ship with your father, many don’t .
-Nate
Great story.
My family had two 6000s. A 1983 LE in slate blue with the 4 cylinder bought in 1986 with 37k miles. Had the gm morning sickness in the cold and a paint issue otherwise trouble-free but under powered for a family of 5. Traded in on a brand new 1989 black 6 cylinder LE. Much more power but went through brake pads quickly. Kept til 100k and traded in for a ’95 Grand Prix SE sedan.