After much soul searching, I have decided that it is time to attempt to sell the car that I wrote two COAL posts about over the years. I don’t really want to sell it and don’t really need to sell it but I also don’t really use it much anymore so….Somehow over the last few years I have found myself becoming much more pragmatic – I still adore this car but it just sits in the garage a lot due to reasons entirely not to do with the car itself so doesn’t really make much sense to keep it anymore.
As you may recall, I purchased this car in 2002 from a gentleman in New Jersey and drove it home to Colorado a few days before the area he lived in was heavily damaged by Hurricane Sandy. I wrote about it twice for CC, here as well as here as a followup.
It’s the car I have owned FAR longer than any other, over six and a half years at this point, which surpasses the next longest tenant in my garage by over two and a half years. It’s the car I’ve done some of my longest drives in, the car I’ve traveled the fastest in, the car I’ve enjoyed just sitting on the garage step and staring at and the car that fulfilled one of my life goals – that being actually owning one.
Undoubtedly I will regret selling it if it sells. I am not advertising it to just “move the metal”, I believe it is worth every penny but the market may not agree. Beater 911s of this generation sometimes sell for less than half of what I am asking. Pristine low mileage examples sometimes sell for more. If it doesn’t sell, that’s fine too, I’ll happily continue looking at it and driving it occasionally as well as sharing it with others as the opportunity arises as I have been doing. It has been utterly reliable during my ownership, needing nothing more than regular maintenance and a couple of smaller mechanical items.
OK, maybe not Toyota Camry utterly reliable, but certainly better than I expected from any German car with now 84,000 miles on the chassis (but only 26,000 on the factory remanufactured engine). If I can get my asking price it will be one of the lowest Total Cost of Ownership vehicles that I have ever owned. And I do not believe that the values of these, (at least those taken care of and in good or better condition) will necessarily drop much further.
It’s currently (since Friday evening) listed on my local Craigslist (that has FINALLY begun charging a small amount of money ($5 per car ad per month) to try to remove/reduce all the spam/multiple/fake/garbage listings). Perhaps I’ll give BringATrailer a shot at it as well, who knows. The ad is here but I’ve posted the ad in its entirety below as well. If you happen to be reading this and feel a hankering to discuss buying this absolutely amazing vehicle, please contact me through the ad and we can chat. It is listed for $28,000 which is not cheap but the car is well documented, well taken care of, comes with a pretty complete history, and the engine is a factory remanufactured unit installed at a Porsche dealer that basically eliminated the weak spot (IMS Bearing) with its final iteration that this one represents from what I understand/believe.
In my opinion the 996 generation, especially the post-refresh model (2002 on, referred to as 996.2) represents one of the best versions of the iconic Porsche 911 – it is modern enough to be low maintenance, safe, and very fast, was designed to be user-friendly in terms of maintenance and repair (and it really is), but is not so modern that your average Joe can’t click through the internet and perform almost any repair in his garage with mostly standard tools that it may conceivably need. It is still “affordable”, as well as being considered one of the best driving 911’s ever built. And school kids still walk by the house and holler: “I like your car, dude!”, as a couple did today as I was washing it, which never happens when I wash the Highlander.
Here is the ad in its entirety as currently posted on Craigslist Fort Collins:
“I’ve owned this 2002 Seal Gray over Black Leather interior Porsche 996 C2 since 2012. It was originally sold in Virginia to the first owner, then resold as a CPO car at the same dealer to the second owner and then resold again as a CPO car at the same dealer to the third owner in a high end suburb in New Jersey from whom I purchased it and drove it home to Fort Collins a week BEFORE Hurricane Sandy hit.
Of all the variants of the non-turbo 996 this is generally considered the most desirable – Coupe, RWD, Narrow Body (this variant has the highest top speed), 6-Speed manual transmission, 996.2 spec for 3.6l engine and revised interior and exterior, lightest weight 996.2 and in a very good exterior color with black leather interior without wood etc.
It has been thoroughly maintained and garage kept its entire life. There is no accident damage that I am aware of. The engine was replaced with a Porsche factory remanufactured unit right as it was sold for the third time by the Porsche dealer in Virginia, I have the receipt. That was at 58,000 miles in 2008. Being replaced so late it carries the last/final iteration of the IMS bearing, the large single row that is not retro-fittable but also has virtually zero instances of problems/failures, all 996 motors remanufactured after about 2005 are basically 997.1 spec in regard to the bearing which also has virtually no issues in that regard.
I purchased the car with 63,000 miles and it currently has 84,xxx miles on the odometer (and thus about 26,000 on the new factory engine). It runs extremely strong, has never had issues, does not leak, and has frankly been one of the most reliable cars I have ever owned. (I have owned over 45 cars, have never owned one over four years and this one is now coming up on seven years with me.) It has been to both coasts with me and on many other long trips besides. It’s a fantastic vehicle both for long drives or short around town errands and I will dearly miss it.
I have copies of the entire service history of owners 1 and 2 and everything I have done since I have owned it. Owner 3 (a doctor) had it for four years and drove it a total of 5,000 miles, as he was in the process of moving when I purchased it those records were not available, so that’s the only gap. It was not his main or only car.
The oil was changed (by me) with Mobil 1 at intervals of no more than 4000 miles or one year, I have every filter cut apart (never any worrisome metallic debris) and every box the filters came in and the last two changes were less than 300 (not a typo) miles apart with the final filter still uncut to verify that there are no issues with the engine. I further sent oil samples to Blackstone at every change for analysis, all came back good. I have kept the packaging and dated it for everything else I have done myself (filters mainly, wipers, one window regulator, one door lock). I have receipts for work done at qualified shops (Poudre Sports Cars and RennStall). But again, it has very rarely needed anything.
When Porsche replaces an engine, they replace EVERYthing not just the block. So basically everything connected to the engine is much newer than the rest of the car including alternator, starter, etc. Battery was just replaced late last year. When I purchased it I had it pre-inspected by a Porsche dealer in New Jersey. I still have the results form, there were zero over-revs and the only (minor in their opinion) was that the AOS (which was new as it comes with the replacement engine) had for some reason caused the side of the engine case to be slightly damp (not wet). I was concerned at the time, they were not at all and they were right, it has never dripped a single drop of oil onto the ground and there is no smell of oil. To my knowledge it works as designed and has never presented an issue. They did not believe that it was worth the $1000 replacement even though they would have gotten the job at the time.
The car is in very good condition but has been driven and was not a garage queen, it was driven as a Porsche can be and should be, i.e. in every weather condition and for every purpose, not just babied around the shopping center. This car is surprisingly excellent in snow and ice with a set of Blizzaks and the PSM stability control system. The paint is in good but not factory fresh shape, there are some light scratches, some typical rock chips, and and a couple of light dings/nicks. It’s not in rough shape at all but I don’t want you to think I spent more time rubbing it with a diaper than I did driving it. But it looks really good for a 17year old car and better than most 3year old regular cars. The interior is in excellent condition.
The wheels are the factory lightweight MY02 wheels, I added those a couple of years after I got the car. Current tires are Sumitomo HTR-ZIII’s with lots of tread in the correct 285/30-18 rear size and 225/40-18 front size. Brakes seem fine, brake fluid and coolant were changed a couple of years ago, and it hasn’t needed anything else.
My reason for selling is that I just don’t have the time or really the inclination to drive it much anymore. The documented history will show that I drove it about 10,000 miles my first year with it, then 5,000 the next and then about half of the mileage of the prior year every year thereafter. Life just gets in the way. I don’t really want to sell it and have no plans to give it away, but realize it’s kind of stupid to have it in the garage and not use it very much even though I already know I will regret it when it sells.
There’s tons more info and I am happy to talk about it for as long as you want, email me and leave your phone number and I will call you. If you don’t leave a number I won’t contact you, sorry, just too many scammers.
No joyrides for unqualified people, no lowballers, and I do not need any help selling it.
There is a picture of the option code sticker, basically the factory options include:
139/340 Seat Heaters
288 Headlamp Washer
413 18″ Turbo Look wheels (I replaced them with the lightweight option, also 18″)
424 CD holder
437/438 Electric seats both sides with driver memory
476 PSM Porsche Stability Management
490 Stereo with CD player – Becker cable was added for ipod use by previous owner
513/586 4-way electrically adjustable lumbar support
537 memory seat
601 Litronic Xenons
It also has the factory body color painted center console as well as the Aero side skirts and the painted wheel center cap crests. The original sticker price of the car was just under $80,000 in 2002.
Check out the pictures and let me know of any questions you might have. If we end up meeting it would most likely be at the Police Station in Fort Collins. If you end up buying it, we will do the transaction at a local bank with your cashier’s check ideally from the same bank. Yes I will provide a clean emission test certificate.” End of ad.
That’s it, thanks for viewing! I am a combination of a little bit excited and a little bit apprehensive at this point. Either result (eventual sale or not) will likely leave me with mixed feelings. I guess fate will decide what will happen which is perfectly fine…
I’ve been wondering how long this would stay in your stable, as you’re not one to keep cars very long, although the intervals are clearly lengthening.
I wish you best of luck in selling it. Not to me, though. 🙂
Great story Jim, I also went back and reread your previous CCs on this. 14 seconds can feel like a lifetime on the quarter mile, but it is just a few eye blinks and then it’s done. Congratulations on a great car, and a great ride it has given you.
No lowballers?!? Takes all the fun out of posting on Craigslist!
“I know what I’ve got” 🙂
Can’t be a Craigslist ad. There is no garden hose in any of the pictures and that is a standard requirement of a Craigslist ad if you haven’t noticed. I also gather that you might be one of those rare people with no thumbs.
Seriously though I do like your car. One question? How tall are you given my experience behind the wheel in a 1973 911E?
I’m 6’1″ with a 32″ inseam (so legs are a tad on the shorter side) so no real freak of nature. I have NO problem fitting in the 911 without a helmet even though it has a sunroof. With a helmet though it’s not great, my head is jammed a bit sideways into the roof. I *think* the sport seats (which I don’t have) may cause the seat to be a bit lower. One minor niggle is that the steering wheel adjusts for reach but not rake (they’re all like that) which is a little weird but also causes the gauges to be obscured more than in most other vehicles in my normal seating position. Full instrumentation is more helpful when it is clearly visible.
Note that a normal modern midsize family sedan with a sunroof usually causes me to be irritated as I find my head/hair to be too close or brushing the sunroof surround (including my old Chrysler 300C). So I now prefer my prosaic sedans in SuperLeggera style without a sunroof.
Thanks for the compliments. I worked hard at keeping the hose out of frame. You also may have noticed it is daylight in the pictures and they were taken without benefit of the ever-popular screen door filter. At $5 a pop for the ads this may cause people to raise their game a bit…
I wondered since I am 6’1′ and constantly had issues with my right leg bumping into the bottom of the dash and the side of the console. My inseam is 34″.
Must have also had a camera with the automatic leveler which many sellers seemed to lack in the past…:)
Weird Al knows about Craigslist. He sings about the ultimate lowballer and a Curbside Classic in the first verse.
Best of luck in selling the Porsche. These decisions aren’t easy to arrive at, but must be done periodically.
Very nice! I don’t know much about these but that seems like a reasonable price given all the facts. Good colors, good history, factory engine, etc.
Mine is ten years old with 30,000 miles on it. I’m keeping it. I figure it’s hit the bottom of the depreciation curve and the fact that it was a loaded launch car in a very limited color is in its favor. Plus I love it. Just love it.
Jim, GLWS as they say these days. Love 996s! Best deal for a modern 911, although prices are starting to creep up as the Porsche cognoscenti realize just how good these are, despite the IMS thing (which is somewhat overblown, IMO). MY02 wheels look the best on these cars, IMO.
Been casually looking for a 996 GT3 myself, but recently bought an ’09 “987.2” Boxster S PDK for my wife, who’s been wanting a fun car of her own, so a GT3 is not in my near-term future.
I predict you will miss it once it’s gone…yours looks particularly nice and obviously has been well cared for. Well, hey, there’s still time for you to realize the error of your ways and take it off the market. What would you replace it with?
Good luck on selling the Porsche. I told myself for many years that I would buy a Porsche some day but never did. When I really had the itch I just didn’t have the money; now, that I could (arguably) afford the purchase, it just doesn’t seem important any longer. If I could justify buying something I would drive once or twice a month, and had the garage space to store it, I might be tempted. Perhaps if I win tonight’s lottery:-)
I am a Nigerian prince in temporarily in Oregon; my servant maid will be contacting to with you shortly for to arrange the payments and car trade. God bless!
You forgot to say you will pay $100,000 from your finance minister account and will happily accept only a $60,000 refund with you keeping the remaining balance for your trouble.
Even if you regret selling it, you’ll never regret having owned it and gotten years of joy from it.
Better to let someone else drive it and enjoy it than to let it sit in a corner. And it’s less stressful selling a car when you’re in no rush to do so.
I’m just wondering, when the itch to buy another car strikes, what you’ll choose to scratch it…
Thanks. I actually currently owe the site two more COALs….but neither is a “replacement” for this car. One is a tangent that has been a long time coming and the other is a recent lateral move. Both may be surprising in different ways but both make sense, at least to me. I’ll get on those sooner or later…
Jim – Fabulous automobile.
Jim – well wishes on how this turns out. I’m in a similar frame of mind with my SAAB Aero convertible – after 11 years I still love it and love driving it, but that happens so infrequently for the past few years that I hate to see it just sit there. I like what William said – better to let someone else drive and enjoy it.
Maybe you covered this before but what happened to the PO in N.J? If this car had been with him during Sandy would it have been damaged where he stored it?
You should try an air cooled 911. About a 1000lbs less makes for more of an engaging experience that this 911, while a good car, doesn’t seem to engender IMO. Disclosure: I’m in these cars everyday 1966-2019….
Oh, I find my car to be plenty engaging. 🙂 The 996 was considered by most to be an excellent driver when new and if anything that has become even more true over the years as people actually took the time to drive them instead of focusing on the water cooling aspect. A ’60’s, ’70’s or ’80’s 911 can certainly be fun but to me not anywhere near as refined, usable, or safe on a daily basis anymore in any weather.
I recall looking into the weight when I was looking to purchase and comparing it to a 964 generation car (1989-1994) and being pleasantly surprised that going water-cooled didn’t add weight, it actually reduced it. I looked it up again and there isn’t any stock 911 that was 1000 pounds lighter than this 996 generation, in fact you have to go back to the 80’s to get lighter at all. According to Excellence magazine the generally highly regarded 993 (last of the air-cooled’s) is somehow even HEAVIER than the 996, as was the 964. Here’s the list, all per Excellence magazine, I tried to focus on most comparable/lightest model.
pounds: model (US Spec per Excellence, manual trans)
2959: 2002 Carrera 2 (996)
2901: 1999 Carrera 2 (996, first year water cooled)
3020: 1995 Carrera 2 (996)
3031: 1991 Carrera 2 (964)
2866: 1987 Carrera
2756: 1982 911SC
2557: 1978 911SC
2425: 1974 911S
2249: 1969 911T
2381: 1965 911
I was only able to get a certified check for $40,000. So if you will deliver to me within 5 days the car with a clear title and $12,000 cash I will pay your full asking price.
A serious question – will the gray paint cause you grief? I would think that Resale Red is particularly necessary on a car like this. But maybe that is only for non-Porsche People who are trying to gain entrance to your club.
Wow, if someone had once told me that Jim Klein would keep a car for 7 years I would never have believed it. But I understand the desire to simplify.
No I don’t think it will. The Seal Gray is generally considered one of the more attractive colors and it’s a metallic, lighter than charcoal but darker than silver. It’s fairly similar and perhaps a bit darker than my Mercedes was that you saw/drove. My camera may give it a hint of a purplish hue that isn’t there in real life but that may just be my monitor. There are very few bright red examples of this generation and it looks a bit garish if anything (to me at least). The red works better on the Boxster and 80’s – 90’s 911’s. The blue tones are attractive too on these. But color is all in the eye of the beholder.
The majority though were plain silver as that was what dealers stocked (and leased, at least when this generation was released).
A bigger plus is the black interior. The other common choices were a beige/tan that all too often was paired with some sort of wood (walnut?) trim and/or steering wheel and more automatics than manuals from what I see and a light gray that’s pretty lifeless as pretty much EVERYthing was the gray tone. Rarely seen is a red, sort of salmon interior that works pretty well with the silver, gray and black exteriors. And even more rare are the blue and green interiors. The blue works with some exterior colors, the green not so much…
Overall I think this gray over black is a “safe” and attractive combination for most, more a positive than negative.
For me the grey, or silver would be a non-starter for me. On a cheap appliance car maybe if the deal was right. But for something like this give me a real color or black.
Hello Sir. I am a minister with the Russian federation and I purchase would like to your car. Due regulations to in my agency I can disburse only in amounts $50,000 or more. If you will let me Western Union amount $50,000 full your bank account and I will draft refund balance $20,000 direct me, I buy. I pay $30,000 for 966, you keep $2,000 for trouble. Igor and Chekkov will pick up car selves and deliver me. You not worry about shipping. $50,000
Yours sincerely
Ivana Ripuchov
Minister Finance Moscow region
I want to say, “Don’t sell it, drive it more,” but I assume that if it were that simple, you’d do it.
Well, I did say “about” a 1000lbs. Early cars are capable of a lot of weight loss and are really fun to toss around with around 200 hp. Closer to a motorcycle than a car really. I’m saying the sports car bit starts to fade above 2300 lbs or so. Remember the 356 guys hated all the added weight refinement brought . The horsepower war has been won, now the next frontier is low weight. The required components needed for safety and keeping low weight will be the challenge.
The 996 is a great platform by the way.
Good luck finding the right buyer, Jim. After reading and thoroughly enjoying your nicely written reviews of the Rams and Jeeps recently, all of which justifiably impressed with their capability, engineering and build, am wondering if the Porsche’s former space in the garage would be large enough to accommodate either the new Gladiator 3.6 or 3500 Cummins 6.7? Sure sounded like you had a terrific time with them.
Thank you for the kind words, it’s easy to write about enjoyable things! The space in the garage would in fact fit the Gladiator, but I don’t see that happening for a while, if ever. The 3500? Not a chance of it fitting. The clearance lights would get scraped off first by the low door, and then the dually would become a singly once the sides are scraped off by the single garage door surround on that side of the 3-car, if we even got that far into the garage before the rear wall got in the way… 🙂
Do I see another new Jeep Wrangler in your future then?
Nope, not at this time. And no LR product either though, you’re gonna have to unload that Diesel on someone else. 🙂