(first posted 12/01/2012) In my previous post, I touched on the fact that my dad was a route salesman for Wonder Bread, a division of Hostess Brands. After having delivered bread to stores and supermarkets in New York City for 35 1/2 years, does he have any interesting stories to tell? Absolutely.
When I asked my dad for any work vehicle-related stories he might have, he instantly stated just how horrible these rear-wheel drive vans were in a typical New York winter. Even with four-on-the-floor, it was hard for him to get the van going–but once he had, the Grumman became an unstoppable freight train filled with fresh bread. Once, while delivering to a strip mall with an unplowed parking lot, his departure was hampered by zero traction–make that negative traction–and his van had already slid perilously close to cars belonging to the local customers and business owners.
Fearing that he might eventually trigger some real-world bumper car action, everyone poured out of the building to help him get on his way. In fact, so many people came to his aid that he didn’t really have to do anything; they simply pushed the van out of harm’s way. That day, human muscle trumped technology.
Driving an aged and unwieldy van on perpetually snow-covered winter roads certainly got the attention of the local kids. See that strap next to the door latch? It was used by punks who created a crude Jet-Ski by hanging onto it once my dad started driving. What’s more, they were quite brazen, sitting on the bumper and leaving only after my dad had intervened. And what do you think happened when my dad got back inside to head to the next store? They’d get right back on that strap in search of more cheap (and very unsafe) urban thrills.
It was always a cat-and-mouse game: My dad would chase them away and they’d come right back. Occasionally they were successful, sometimes even getting as far as a next stop that was many blocks away. These kids were so full of themselves that they actually expected dad to drive them back to the previous store! He never did. Good for him.
Dad didn’t always have his truck to drive around; soon enough, you’ll see why that’s important. Anyway, one day my dad was cleared to leave early for a dental appointment. In a gracious gesture, the management gave him an assistant so he could return to the depot at a reasonable hour. Because his usual Grumman was being serviced, they were stuck with the oldest gal in the fleet. So as they’re moving along through their work day, they hear some perplexing noises entering the cabin, as well as feeling mysterious bumps where none existed, after which the van would be fine. Repeated attempts to diagnose the problem met with failure.
Their work day now done, my dad steered the truck along I-95, then started his exit to I-287. While negotiating the single long curve, the truck cried out in pain. Alarmed, both men looked at each other; dad’s co-worker asked, “What the hell was that?” Then my dad saw what the problem was: One of the rear wheels had struck out on its own, and was now traveling down the interstate faster than the van. The errant tire eventually came to a rest, settling straight-up vertically on the center median. His work buddy walked to a store to call the mechanic, who arrived along with lunch. The two men ate lunch while the mechanic fetched the tire and then remounted it. The reason for the wheel separation never was found, but at least my dad got to his appointment.
If you knew my dad, you could tell he has a heart of gold and is a very altruistic person. On one cold and extremely rainy early morning, his good nature came through in spades. While out on his routine deliveries, Dad was slowing to a stop at an intersection when a cop put his hand up. Not knowing what was happening, Dad opened the side door to find an officer, who was wearing a police hat with a protective plastic cover and an utterly ineffective raincoat. The dripping wet member of New York’s finest stepped into the truck and asked if Dad could drive him to the nearest precinct. And the reason why? His shift was over, no one had come to pick him up, he’d had it with the foul weather, and protocol be damned. Good guy that he is, my dad drove the officer to where he needed to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW0J4HbKMJg
These photos of Dad’s second truck (he had only two throughout his entire career) were taken on November 16th, 2012. After my introductory article, I begged him for shots of the Wonder Bread trucks. He’d forget about it pretty much every day, and always promised to take some shots next time he got to work. Then came the liquidation. Concerned, I phoned him to confirm that the news I was reading was true. It was, he said, and he agreed to take some pictures for me. He did, most likely on his final ride; the photos were taken following his final delivery, just before he went back to the depot one last time. I guess something about being forced to leave behind the places, people and vehicles you’ve grown used to for 35 years can spur you to get photographic evidence of memories made over decades that outspan my own lifetime.
Still, there might be hope: Rumor has it that a company is looking to buy up the assets of the former Hostess Brands and restore the company to its former glory. It’s a long shot at this point, but who knows? Maybe something good will come of it.
The strangest part of this tale is that three days after Dad’s termination, I got my first job since earning my MA in May 2011, a sales position at a local Ford-Lincoln dealership. Its been great so far, and everyone there has made me feel welcome. While the sudden role reversal shocks me still, and is likely to do so for the rest of my life, it also calls to mind this quote, from my favorite book, with which I conclude:
“So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
I just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading this story of yours . And I remember your dad driving that wonder bread truck. Congratulations on your new job. All the best to you and your dad.
In the last picture, shows a freeway sign to San Diego? Another shows an Illinois license plate? All taken in NY?
Just the pictures with the New York plates. Sorry if I deceived you in any way. He only took three shots and I had to improvise.
Here’s hoping that your Dad is back to work soon. Your story is a personal one, but one we should remember each time a truck bearing commerce passes by; each one has a driver with a story to tell. And the service they bear provides us with the world of convenience that we all take for granted.
Well put. I can’t stand seeing people be rude to truckers on the road. DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH THESE PEOPLE RAISE YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING? When your country is 3,000 miles across, it is a downright miracle that we can buy as much crap (or delicious Wonder Bread) as we want in any store, anywhere.
The Wonderbread distributor in my hometown always said they called it that because people wondered what was in it 🙂
When I heard the news they were closing I stopped at their plant in Sacramento and got some pics. Outside of household movers they were one of the last companies to use Cabovers in daily service.
The plant had a mixture of Freightliner FLB & Argosy COEs, 1st Gen Volvo tractors from about 10 years ago and one ancient KW bobtail.
That’s a peculiar beast, with the fixed box and *then* a trailer behind. I suppose the trailer is one of the shorter single-axle units?
No, these pulled a 53 foot trailer.
…about the truck: It’s a Grumman, who apparently used the Ford chassis, evidenced by the 70s-era Universal Ford Steering Wheel.
How old is this beast? How many miles? Is it running the big straight-6?
Funny that its a Ford, so many of these that I’ve seen were Chevy-GMC chassised. maybe its a reigonal thing. A friend of mine used to run a route for Frito-Lay in the 80’s with similar Grumman Chevy chassis vans, with the 292 I-6 and a 4 speed, top speed was about 67 mph.
The steering wheel alone is not a reliable spotting feature for older commercial vehicles. Its quite possible the fleet mechanics retrofitted the wheel from something else.
At my work the Cab Specific parts for the pre 1997 Petebilt 320s are obsolete, the techs are retrofitting them to the newer smaller style wheels as the older ones crack and/or the city horns die.
Many step vans of this era used the 3.9L 4BT Cummins. All of the Frito Lay models I’ve seen wrecks of on CoPart have the red wonder.
Those are the Ford column, instrument cluster and heater controls. Plus it is the Ford stuff that is obsolete in this case, I’ve had to make a couple of steering shafts from parts obtained from Borgeson because of that.
No step van was ever equipped with the 4bt from the factory, they were all conversions and yes a lot of them were converted.
The re-fitted the 292 I6 vans with Cummins 4 bangers later, but they were Chevy 6’s before.
There were Fords that got the 4BT too, those are the ones Scout guys try to find since they use T-19 transmissions like the Scout. They aren’t identical but you can mix and match parts so it all bolts together with the transfer case.
He didn’t even know the make and model of the van, the only thing he could confirm was the diesel engine. But every time he had a temporary truck that ran on gas, he’d say how much better that particular vehicle treated him.
Hi Stain, i used to work there. See, those red numbers on the top left of the truck? “88” is the year of the truck. I think the last truck they bought was the new one they gave me in 1991. A Oshkosh diesel. I don’t think they bought ANY new trucks after that, EVER!
They did buy new trucks in the Mid to late 1990’s, saw quite a few at the Hostess Bakery in Los Angeles, Most were Utilimaster bodies with Oshkosh or Freightliner Chassis, but they were transferred to other regions. I remember seeing the Oshkosh trucks when I was stationed at Fort Bragg. I did see a couple of High Roof Oshkosh Wonder bread trucks here in Southern California.
Stainsey beat me to my question. That truck either dates back to the very early 90s (based on that vintage of Ford steering wheel) or else Ford continued to manufacture these parts for outside commercial truck firms. I too would be betting on the big six. Even with a load of only bread, I would imagine that merging onto tight New York area on-ramps would be an adventure.
Based on what I have read, the company has been in tough shape for awhile, which would explain the apparent age of this truck fleet. One of there baking facilities was here in town. A route driver’s life is not an easy one, for sure, and I certainly feel bad for all of the people suddenly without work.
I, for one, will miss the familiar colorful baloons on the bread wrappers – when the news hit, our loaf of Wonder Bread was getting short. By the time I got to the store, there was no more. I managed a box of Suzy Qs and some Donettes for a Thanksgiving-weekend treat with the kids.
Back in the early 80s when Wonder/Hostess was owned by ITT/Continental Baking, the father of one of my law school roommates served as some sort of marketing consultant for the company. My roomie would get periodic care packages loaded with all kinds of plastic-wrapped baked goods from Hostess and the other brands. He was, of course, a very nice guy who shared his loot, which we appreciated.
Oh, they will be back soon, once they have broken the union, gutted the employee pension fund and walked away from their liabilities. The bosses will collect their bonuses (actually have already) and the workers will see a big pay cut.
I am no fan of outsized management bonuses (particularly for a flailing company), but my experience tells me that there is more than one side to this story. The whole thing is playing out under the supervision of a Federal bankruptcy judge. From what I have read, the company’s history of piecemeal growth over the decades had left it with multiple unions and something like 60 or 80 separate bargaining units, and costs (operating or distribution, depending on what you read) way out of line with the industry as a whole.
They have spent more time in bankruptcy court than out of it over the last decade, so I think that there is more at play here. We would probably be best off to let the bankruptcy judge deal with those issues and stick to the trucks and the life of the individual route driver for this thread. I am sure that Edward did not intend to start a “Curbside Labor Relations” category. I think that one is at TTAC. 🙂
Thanks to the union, Hostess had to have separate drivers driving separate delivery trucks coming from the same bakeries and driving to the same sales locations: one for bread and one for sweets. Ridiculous $hit like that is what destroyed Hostess. I’m sure the remnants of the company will be bought and resurrected…after one year. Then the new owners can tell the unions to FOAD.
Bread and cake on different trucks started in the 1950’s and allowed the company to expand it’s product lines. With the sales volume Wonder Bread and Hostess Cake did you would have had to put the same amount of routes on anyway. Plus, a bread truck is set up much differently than a cake truck. I was a Hostess Cake salesman for 17 years in New Jersey, and I can tell you it would be impossible to run bread and cake off the same truck efficiently. There were 47 different cake items on my truck.
So, unless you actually worked there, politely STFU.
And , by the way, my Uncle, who started as a routeman in 1963 was Sales Manager for Wonder Bread, New York Region from 1978 to 1999, retired after 35 years, so I’m sure he knew Mr Snitkoff.
My Dad had to deliver cake out of a Wonder bread truck once, but he mentioned it could be done, maybe if the front third of the truck had an aisle, and the rest of the truck had rails, but it can totally be done now with most of the industry moving away from rails and trays, to trucks with NO racks, and going to baskets.
How will “they” be back?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/hostess-wins-judges-final-approval-to-wind-down-twinkie-maker/2012/11/30/b98148f0-3aae-11e2-9258-ac7c78d5c680_story.html
Hostess asked to sell the assets. That request was approved. Unless management is part of the assets being sold, they will be gone so “they” won’t be back.
Back in May, the company told employees what would happen if the cost structure didn’t change by following the
Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act. Pretty serious stuff is happening when WARN is invoked.
Enough union members (not all of them) didn’t believe the company. They were wrong.
The rumor around town is that some group is looking into restoring a bit of Hostess Brands. Whether or not thats true I have no idea, but its something, and keep in mind the profitable sections of Wonder Bread, etc. were all located here in the Northeast.
JP,
You know why Wonder Bread has balloons on the wrapper-the balloons were inspired by the thousands of balloons released prior to the start of the Indy 500. Continental Baking in Indianapolis adopted this design in the mid ’30s.
Did not know that. This will become one of my new favorite facts. 🙂
Cool new fact! Thanks for the info Kevin.
As a fellow Ford – Lincoln salesman, I’d like to welcome you to the team.
Overall the Ford F59 based stepvans are pretty rare. I know the couple we had that used that instrument panel were from the early to mid 90’s. GM P series chassis were supplied with the instrument cluster as used in the 60’s pickups until the 80’s. There just wasn’t a reason to update things like that on these trucks since the operators were not the ones buying them.
For the most part the Wonder trucks were converted to Cummins 4bt power. Which is where most of the ones people use for conversion come from. The Fords in the fleet I maintained were powered by the International diesels though.
All the large Canada post step-vans around these parts are on Ford chassis and most of them are not that old at all. In fact, Canada Post switched back to gasoline from diesel due the service headaches of the diesel.
UPS used LPG on its step-vans here for many years. When our wonderful NDP government put the road tax on LPG in the 1990s there was no longer any price advantage, so UPS also went diesel. However, in the last couple of years they have gone back to LPG. It is simple and very reliable and when you have your own fueling facility, it runs $0.65 a litre, versus $1.20 for regular unleaded. According to a friend in UPS’s maintenance division, they went back to LPG because of the service problems they were having with the diesels.
In my company we tried diesel vans and cube vans. However, due to the high service costs associated with the diesels, we went back to gas…..
I see a common thread here….
Yup, today diesel economy is a myth. The fact that diesel costs more than gas eats up much of the MPG advantage and the added up front and maintenance costs more than eat up the rest.
The only diesel I have to buy is for my tractor, but the $0.50 cents a gallon road tax makes it well worthwhile to search out the offroad (red dyed) stuff. The same fuel terminal also breaks out the Fed and Oregon taxes on the non-oxygenated gasoline–would be nice if our dadgum gummint would cut us a break… (Insert hollow laughter here.)
I kind of remember when on-road diesel was less expensive than low-test gasoline. I think it went up when GM and company flirted with diesels in the 80s. Anybody have a better handle on this?
I think the price shifted to about the same when the GM vehicles started getting popular and when demand jumped up significantly when diesel pickups really took off it got more expensive than premium at least around here.
A friend who has a TDI while his wife has a gas powered vehicle tracked the price or reg unleaded and diesel for a year. His calculations showed the diesel he bought averaged out to be about 18% higher around here.
Congrats on the new gig, Ed, and my condolences to your father for the loss of his. Funny how that works out sometimes; Within days of getting my first job back in high school, my dad became the victim of corporate downsizing. My mother was out of work at the time, too, so at 14 I was the only family member with a paycheck. That went on for four months. It sucked.
I always bought Wonder or Butternut bread. I just came back from the grocery store, where I was aggravated by the noticeably decreased selection in the bread aisle. Most of the alternatives are too expensive or cheap crap. And then there’s all the snack cakes, donuts, etc: I rarely buy them, but they’ll be greatly missed.
Somebody will snap these brands up. They’re too valuable, and the void in the marketplace without them is huge. Hopefully when that happens, your dad’s bread truck will be waiting for him.
Ummmmm butternut bread. For me the best of the best as far as taste went. I was not happy when that stuff went away. My peanutbutter an nanna sammich has never been the same.. It went away here sometime in the mid ninties.
This was because Interstate Brands Corporation (baker of Weber’s, Butternut, Millbrook, Dolly Madison Cakes) Merged with Continental Baking (Wonder/Hostess), and because of “anti trust” litigation, They were forced to either sell or stop baking the Weber’s bread label (same as Butternut) in Southern California, and Butternut in certain markets of the Midwest.
Thanks for the kind words, FromaBuick6.
Thanks for sharing Ed. It must be bittersweet to get a new job when your dad has lost his. I loved Wonder Bread, Twinkies and Donettes; hope they come back in some form. I was home sick with a germ when I happened to turn on the TV and see the news of the Hostess implosion. So sad. We had a Hostess factory on River Drive in Davenport, sometimes when you drove by you could smell the fresh bread! It was closed about ten years ago, but I believe it was still being used as a warehouse until fairly recently.
All the best to you and your dad.
Thank you very much Tom. 2012 has been quite a year. Let’s hope 2013 treats all of us better than what we want, or need.
I think my last Twinkie was consumed was in high school, as a result of a desperate case of the munchies. And I won’t even begin to tell you how my mother described Wonder Bread after arriving in the US from Austria, where all our bread (and pastries) came fresh from the bakery around the corner. Let’s just say her words were not wonderful.
But I’m glad someone has been buying their wonderful stuff to keep your dad busy this long. I wouldn’t have predicted that back in the seventies. But then quite a few of my predictions have not come true 🙂 The world changes slowly.
What was your Masters in?
My grandfather drove a bread truck for years (Wonder, I think–he retired in the early ’70s), so this story had special meaning for me. I’m not a big eater of Twinkies, but this is a piece of Americana that I hope can be restored, even if the new owners may be from south of the border. Best to you and your dad.
It’s nearly entirely gone as it was once known, Hostess Cakes is shipped directly to distribution centers for convenience stores like 7-11, Costco/Sam’s Club, Grocery Stores, Target, Walmart etc. Bread is increasingly being moved to “independent distributor model where the delivery personnel are not direct employees of the bakery.
Congratulations Mr. Snitkoff! I’ve heard that twinkies are in the process of being bought out! Your dad may get his job back! Woohoo!
All of the Wonder delivery trucks pictured are on a Ford Chassis, those trucks that Continental bought that I ever saw were between vintage 1980-1988 and they didn’t vary much other than some had Ford Gas I-6’s or I4 Diesels, some Cummins 4BT, some Ford I4 turbo (the one my Dad drove had a Ford Diesel, I even saw one with an Izuzu diesel. Also, depending on the region, they either had a low roof, or high roof (they tended to be high out here on the west coast) and the Wonder Trucks were really long, while the Hostess trucks were a bit shorter. The steering wheel and instrument cluster were just common parts, if you look at these trucks, they all have the same Ford steering column and the familiar instrument cluster, some even looked like the clusters in the Ford Granada/Mercury Monarch of the late 70’s. My Dad retired from Hostess about 10 years ago, so he was lucky while the going was still sort of ok…Luckily I took a few photos over the years. This article also struck a cord with me. Best of luck to you and your Dad, unfortunately, hostess cakes are direct ship now, and Wonder-Home Pride are being distributed by the independent distributors under Flowers Foods.
Looking for an entire steering column any ideas where i might find a bone yard or perhaps point me in the right direction. Have a good running un-commissioned frito lay truck with a rebuilt engine but no way to steer it.
Stepvanparts.com has reman steering columns for many of ht e GM chassis trucks, or at least they used to.
Wonder/Hostess has been revived in the USA during the intervening four years since this post first appeared. Georgia-based Flowers Foods, having just come away from rescuing floundering Philadelphia-based Tastikake from oblivion, acquired some of the remains of Wonder/Hostess, including the trademarks, and brought back the iconic brands. What didn’t come back: the jobs. I didn’t know the route sales/drivers, but had bought returned Wonder/Hostess products from their nearby Bakery Thrift Store since 1974 when I moved to my current county. It remained open until the 2012 demise of Wonder/Hostess as we knew it. A newly-hired clerk in 1974 had become store manager and two other part-time employees remained at the store for all those years. I hope they all found work after outliving the company for which they toiled for so long.
I hope your Dad did, too.
Wonder in Canada and Mexico underwent no such upheaval, being owned by different entities.
Grupo Bimbo is a comparable Mexican company which is doing business Stateside (as Bimbo USA) & has bought up several American food firms.
Their name doesn’t mean what you think.
That’s a very unfortunate name.
G. Poon,
Thank you for the kind words.
Four years later my dad is doing just fine. He was fortunate enough to have accumulated so many years on the job that he was able to get his full pension, and he effectively retired.
The real test comes next year. The pension fund is rapidly drying up and is likely to become completely depleted soon. He’s not sure what he’ll do after that.
The Wonder label is owned by George Weston Bakeries, the Wonder label is owned by Grupo BIMBO (Bimbo Bakeries), which has a near monopoly on the wholesale bakery product market around the world.
For those outside the U.S., here’s an update for June 2016 – Hostess (parent company maker of Wonder Bread and Twinkies) has been resurrected and both products are available today. The company is modernized, downsized, automated, and streamlined and is making money again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/07/twinkies-are-not-just-back-from-the-dead-their-baker-may-now-be-worth-billions/
I know this because Mrs Lokki (a Japanese girl with a sweet tooth) is a secret Twinkie addict. I have repeatedly explained to her that eating Twinkies is less healthy than eating the wrappers but she doesn’t care. I have to keep a careful eye on her at the grocery store to make sure that none ‘accidently’ fall into the shopping cart ….again.
Spent several years working out of a truck and enjoyed the story. Hope all is going well.
The Playboy Mansion was just purchased by 32 year old Daren Metropoulos, son of billionaire C Dean Metropoulous, whose private equity firm bought Hostess in 2013. I wonder if either of them have spent any time behind the wheel of a Grumman Kabmaster making deliveries to grocery stores in the dead of Winter.
“I wonder if either of them have spent any time behind the wheel of a Grumman Kabmaster making deliveries to grocery stores in the dead of Winter.”
Considering what the corporate overlords did to Hostess in 2012, I sometimes wish these incredibly overprivileged individuals would find themselves underneath the wheels of a Kabmaster, preferably while it was moving.
Selfishness is not restricted to folks with lots of money.
Hostess was on the ropes as far back as the early 2000’s, I know, I watched it happen through my Father’s eyes, people who comment it was the corporate overlords who drove it into the ground don’t know, same as the one’s who say the union had nothing to do with it’s demise, MANY factors contributed to the demise of Wonder/Hostess, and the Union Route Salesman. Snack cakes had long shelf life, maybe a week, another two days in the thrift store. The shelf life for Hostess cakes has gone beyond a month, the DSD system for most baked goods became obsolete years ago, it is very costly to maintain a fleet of vehicles, insurance, pay/overtime, and that is just for the Transport Drivers, then factor in the delivery drivers base pay/commission/overtime benefits… Hostess had 11 bakeries for the cakes alone, this is now done with just THREE serving the whole nation. If my father would, he’d tell you this started decades ago with mass consolidation, this was the end game, to finally rid themselves of a costly distribution system. There are a few holdouts, but only because of contracts with the Teamsters and the BCTGM unions, what do you think BIMBO Bakeries USA does to all of the companies it buys?
I don’t know why your father’s pension fund would run out of money, unless the Union has been embezzeling, I know my Father’s Teamster pension is well funded, but he retired in 2004. I hope your father is just as fortunate.
Nice story. Those step vans are easy to ignore, as they are possibly the least sexy vehicles ever made. That’s too bad, because they are legendary in their own skewed way. Nice to see one celebrated.
Missed this post the first time around. In the early 2000s my friends and I owned a very similar looking truck for tailgating at Bears games. It was titled as a 1971 Chevy P10 and had a 6cyl engine. We paneled and insulated the interior and bolted a couch to the floor. Sadly, its brake system failed on a trip home and when we went to take a look at the brake lines, they were so corroded pieces would break up in your hands. That combined with tailgate lot rules restricting the amount of people that could be in the lots doomed the bread truck (in this case it was originally used to transport Butternut bread) to history.
Most large commercial bakeries have gone to their drivers being contractors and supplying their own vehicles. From a vehicular standpoint, this means the traditional step-van bread truck is fading fast, replaced by pickups pulling trailers – a 250(0) series truck with an 18-20′ tandem-axle trailer seems to be the most common rig pulling up to our (supermarket) dock these days. The trucks being bought by the drivers and doubling as personal transportation are optioned to reflect that and any bakery branding is confined to the trailer (one guy has his other business on the doors tho).
Wonder Bread sells terribly poorly – not at all, really – at the store I work in. Part of that is a strong localvore/foodie demographic, but the fact that they never put it on sale and at regular price it’s more than double the cost per slice of store brand puffy white bread is probably the biggest factor. Still, it’s stocked…
As for bread and cakes on the same route, especially given how famously everlasting Hostess cakes and their Little Debbie and Entenmann’s counterparts are I wonder why they’re DSD items at all instead of being sent through the grocery stores’ distribution chains with the canned goods and flour bags.
I was a route salesman for Wonder in Southern California. The Grumman trucks worked well in that climate.
Bill, My Dad liked his Grumman Kabmaster Hostess truck because he had several large accounts like Costco/Target/WalMart-Sam’s Club, and a Vending stop, he said it could fit A LOT of product, and the left side racks were pretty efficient for small stops like convenience stores. The one thing he hated was how loud and smokey they all were, that and the fact that they couldn’t get out of their own way. By the way, which Depot did you drive out of? He was a an old Langendorf guy from the depot on 62nd next to the Hostess bakery, and later North Hollywood, then Dolly, then Hostess, I think he only worked out of Glendale and Finally Charter Oak/Glendora for his final years.
Don’t know why its inverted…
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I love the P vans , they’re cumbersome to drive but great workhorses .
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When I worked for Frito Lay in the 1970’s , I had a 1960’s vintage P Van with clapped out Chevy 292 C.I. i6 engine with a cracked piston that rattled terribly and smoked a lot , fouled the spark plug once or twice a week .
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At the City , we had crap loads of these in our fleet , IIRC they had Union city bodies on them making door latches and other standard wear parts near impossible to find .
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One was fully kitted out as a mobile workshop with gas and electric welders , rollaway tool boxes and metal benches etc. .
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I wish I’da had some where to store the one we had in No. Ho. Truck Shop when they sold it for slightly over scrap value , it has a brand new crate 350 C.I.D. engine , AC and so on . kinda greasy and grubby though .
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Hostess Cakes are back , too bad I no longer like sugary snacks =8-( .
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-Nate
Always interesting to get a glimpse into the life of these workaday vans which blend into the streetscape. I do miss seeing the balloon livery though.
I don’t eat Wonder Bread (we’re almost exclusively a whole wheat household, with an occasional diversion to rye) but I must confess to having a box of Hostess Cupcakes in the pantry right now. Terrible for you, yes, but my sweet tooth must occasionally be appeased…
Hope the pension situation gets worked out somehow before the fund dries up. My father retired a couple of years ago and he doesn’t have a lot coming in from pension/401k due to stock market volatility, but since the house is paid off, that plus social security is more than enough to live on.
From 1983-85, I went to college at Defiance College in Defiance, OH.
The college placement office helped me find a job at Brown’s Bakery in that town, washing the bakery trucks 2 nights a week. The pay was decent for the time. The man I interviewed with was one of the best bosses I’ve ever had. The route salesmen and other people who worked there were great.
My job was to wash their fleet of about 10-15 trucks, many of them the Grumman-bodied ones like the ones in this story.
I worked there from 1984 to 1987. When my dad died in 1986, they sent flowers to the funeral.
I wish I had kept track of some of the people I used to work with. The last time I tried to find out anything about the company, I learned they had closed. After over 100 years.
The reason? They sold out to Hostess in the ’90’s – early 2000s.
The interior shot of the first truck was something else. Did those things ever get cleaned inside? Looks like years of spilled coffee and who knows what else in there.
My Dad keep his Hostess truck spic and span on the inside, that is until someone ran his route and left it a mess, after that he said to hell with it. Someone would come and wash the exteriors every couple of weeks.
It is sad that the good union jobs Hostess and Wonder provided over the years went away. I’ve never been a wonder bread eater, and only very occasionally a hostess cake eater, but my favorite bread is Roman Meal, which is made by the makers of wonder now. For a while it was not being stocked at my local Kroger. One day the Wonder bread delivery guys were doing their restocking while I was there, so I asked them why RM hadn’t been at the store lately. They couldn’t answer the question because they barely spoke any english. Enough said.
Roman Meal thankfully is being stocked now. I’m pretty picky about bread and went looking for alternatives during the RM drought. I actually found that I really like ALDI’s bread. I was surprised! Now I’m torn because it’s a lot cheaper than RM.
My work has a 1980’s chevy panel van, which I’ve driven a couple of times. It’s a hoary old truck to drive, but kind of fun with the doors open. Different experience!