The Peugeot 505, little known or understood in the U.S., has a strong international presence for reasons familiar to American car enthusiasts. Produced in France from 1979 to 1992 and in other countries well into the 1990s, it was contemporary with the popular GM B Bodies of 1977-96 and served a similar role worldwide. Large family sedans and wagons with the soft ride expected of French cars, they were also Peugeot’s last rear wheel drive car and represented the end of an era in its country’s automotive history. Like the GM B Bodies, they have become popular worldwide for their comfort and durability, especially in West Africa and other places where American cars have little or no presence. Therefore, it was not really surprising to find a 505 parked on one of the main routes of the recent demonstrations in Bangkok that led to the dissolving of the government of Thailand.
This 505 was most likely locally assembled in Thailand, since Peugeot had final assembly operations there and in numerous other countries on five continents. Outside of France, 505 assembly occurred in Spain, China, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia, Chile, Argentina, Egypt, and Australia. As a result, anywhere outside of North America, it is possible to find a 505 still in regular use. Like a Caprice or Crown Victoria in the U.S., they lack the prestige associated with a Mercedes or BMW, but they get the job of family transportation done quite comfortably. We love our old Detroit iron, but one can quip that one-sixth of the earth is covered by land yachts, while the rest is covered by Peugeot 505s.
A mention of automobiles at the demonstrations should not go without pointing out a sighting that was more meets the eye – involving the Transformers, of course. Bumblebee, Optimus and Megatron were decked out in Thai flags and available for tourists to take selfies, directly across the street from the public square where the main demonstrations have occurred (visible in the background), during the night after the announcement that Thailand’s parliament would dissolve. Their presence, along with that of the 505 and other cars parked on the same street, is an indication of the ability of the Thai people to maintain their equilibrium and sense of humor, even in the midst of political strife. In the middle of demonstrations that have brought down a government – literally in the middle of them – these cars sat untouched by the thousands of demonstrators streaming past. International news coverage made the demonstrations appear dangerous, but in reality the scene was orderly and festive, with musicians, street vendors, and entire families including women and children among the thousands of people living round the clock in the streets. It was a thoroughly civil atmosphere where the political stakes were high but people remained calm and decent, and it should be recognized as one that speaks well of the people of Thailand.
Another car (like still so many) that is long overdue for a full CC. There’s still several on the streets here, but that may not go on forever.
Nice shot, with all those lit up trees. Need to get there sometime…
Very clean design, especially the wagon. Be nice to know whether any coupe/cabrio was mooted. Looking forward to that article.
..makes a hard man humble! It really is amazing that all manner of cars deemed too “unreliable and crappy” to be used/sold in the US are used daily and for many decades in countries that are generally considered far inferior to the US in resources and technical capability.
As with the 504, I believe the explanation is two-fold:
1) North American 504s and 505s were loaded up with power steering, air conditioning, automatic transmissions, etc., which are not found so much in the rest of the world’s Peugeots, and which the they were just not designed to bear. My ’78 504 had serious malfunctions in all those accessories, plus US Peugeots were prone to damage from overheating.
2) North American mechanics, even at some dealers where Peugeot was just a sideline, were as unfamiliar and incompetent with what’s under a Peugeot’s hood as Thai mechanics might be with big block V8s and Turbo-Hydramatics. Plus, in the years when 504s and 505s were sold in the US, all our cars had a nightmare of emission control plumbing and general kludgery that was just absent in the less-developed world.
Americans who got hold of basic Peugeots, like the rest of the world drove, seem to have had better experiences than I had with my miserable 504. When they’re right they’re wonderful, and I’ve always admired the 505’s beauty.
One of my brothers, known for choosing some “unusual” cars over the years, purchased a 2 year old 1985 505 sedan. It was black with tan interior, 5 speed, very well optioned car. I spent some time with it; it was very solid and comfortable, rode like a cloud, and was relatively trouble free. I recall him having a cooling system issue right after he bought it and having a difficult time finding the correct parts, but that was about it. He had it a couple, maybe three years. I took it in trade from him for an ’88 Accord LXi in ’91 during my short-lived auto sales “career”. The used car manager quickly wholesaled it, saying there would never be a Peugeot on his lot.
I can believe that, makes perfect sense I suppose. Thanks! I have always been a fan of Peugeot’s in particular and most French cars in general.
The only Peugeot I have ever seen on US soil is a very clean 505 wagon in white which I see a few times a year being driven around my town by a little old lady.
Wow – Bumblebee the Transformer big as life, and not a Camaro anywhere in sight.
Still some 505s getting about here
My university girlfriend had a Canadian-spec 1980 505 and it was actually a really good car. We had a a couple of years and the only problem we ever had was a broken fan belt. Being a Canadian car, it had practically zippola for emission control, no a/c, power windows or locks. The 2 litre was more than adequate even with the automatic.
The car drove exceptionally well and we very solid. The ride was one of the best I have ever experienced and the seats very comfortable. The interior, however, was not nearly as nice as the 504, which had much better materials and chrome, baby! The 505 was less weird than the 504, and had the signal lever in the normal place, for example, and didn’t have the gorilla-arm driving position.
I totalled the first 505 estate in the Netherlands
A hughe Volvo F89 truck, stuck its cab-over nose slowly but decidedly on to the street.
I was speeding, the road was wet there was nowhere to go but under the Volvo cab.
Still remember the squeeking of the dash and the hood that rolled up on to the windshield like a piece of paper and the rear end of the car jumping two feet from the street.
2 months later Peugeot delivered a new one to my boss (it was his car) and a model car for me, for totalling the first estate 505 !
I had nothing except a hurt ego !
Oh, did not get the blame, the truck driver simply pulled out of an alley after loading his truck.
My collegue, who picked me up was swearing at me, he was a poor driver, at one moment I got sick of him and said : Don’t you see them, you idiot !
He said What?
I said : There’s at least twenty guardian angels flying around your car all the time!!!
He got quiet then.
The boss made a real good deal with Peugeot, getting a more luxury version for no extra money.
Turnover for Peugeot I guess !
“Great” story with a happy ending…
….but did you really have to hurt one of my childhood’s heroes ??
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