The Dodge B series van has received a lot of love here at CC. Much of it in just the last few weeks. So let’s keep this party going.
Think about it – these were in production for 33 model years. And while it received quite a number of changes during that time, none of them was significant enough to disguise that this was a vehicle that shared showrooms with some of the most storied of Dodge’s muscle machines. I suppose you could argue that both the new 1971 Charger R/T and the new 1971 Tradesman and Sportsman vans were muscle machines, only that they involved different muscles.
And this is a vehicle that I have had a car-crush on for almost its entire life. An unrequited car-crush, which makes it even worse. The pangs are still there, which is why I stopped to take pictures of this one back in 2011.
We have been on a Ram Van binge here at CC. We have gotten all of the popular flavors – the luxury conversion,
the cargo-camper,
and the ever popular 15 passenger version. But we have missed one.
All of those are nice, but my man-crush on these vans involves one seldom-seen model – the standard length passenger version with windows. Which, from my unscientific seat-of-the-pants estimate, have made up something like 3% of total production since maybe 1980.
It wasn’t always so. Some neighbors bought the first one I ever saw, a blue ’71 Sportsman. I never rode in it but got to sit in it. It was an undistinguished trim level and perhaps I was unimpressed because this was purchased by the same family that never removed their outdoor Christmas lights before June and allowed their in-ground swimming pool to turn into something resembling a Louisiana swamp. It was the same medium blue inside and out and I wondered why anyone would want to own it.
I finally came around when my best friend’s father traded the family’s ’71 Travelall on a yellow and white Royal Sportsman Maxi van. This was a line-topping wagon with air conditioning, cruise control, and every other option that a desirable car had then. I looked past what was probably the worst paint job ever put on a new vehicle. Parts of the yellow paint were so rough that you could file your nails on it.
But boy did it run. The family kept it far longer than they kept most vehicles, long enough that I was eventually old enough to drive it, learning what a lovely combination a 360 and a Torqueflite was. This was also the vehicle on which I learned to do rolling 65 mph driver changes on an interstate highway, but that is another story for another day.
As time went on the “regular” passenger version of these became more and more scarce, seen more often in press photos and brochures than in real life. This was especially true after Ford upped the passenger van ante with its Club Wagon series that continued to add luxury after luxury while poor old Chrysler cornered the fleet market with its 15 passenger Maxis.
This is another set of shots from my bottomless barrel of CCs. I shot it because I love them, but at the time it was a mystery. It still kind of is. The front end and the taillights were new for 1994. Which was also the last year before this 150 model would have gotten a promotion to 1500. But the steering wheel is a pre-airbag design, which was supposed to be standard on the 1994 Ram Van and Wagon. Did Chrysler play the calendar game, building every new 1994 model up through December 31, 1993 to the old safety specs? Or did someone blow the airbag and slap an older wheel on?
The other mystery is that this appears to be a Ram Van rather than a Ram Wagon. A Ram Van with full windows – an uncommon thing. Also odd is that this is a 150.
Dodge would not build the standard wheelbase passenger Ram Wagon as a 150 – the only way to get a Ram Wagon 150 was to choose the shortie. Which almost nobody did.
But the Ram Van 150 with full windows? An oddity. It reminds me of the 1969 Ford Van owned by the family of a high school buddy. I have called it a Club Wagon, but am not sure that it actually was. It had full windows like this one, and a pair of bench seats covered in heavy black vinyl of the kind that was used for school bus seats, bolted down to bare steel floors which shone bright silver from the way passengers’ shoes had worn away the paint. It was a total stripper of a passenger vehicle.
Something like this has appealed to me from the first day I cleaned my 94 Ford Club Wagon following the mess made by a sick kid. I made a dreadful mistake in choosing the Club Wagon in Chateau trim when I bought my 1994. Cleaning barf from carpet and upholstery was a lot harder than wiping it up from smooth metal, plastic and rubber. I thought about that over and over as I did my hazmat-guy imitation following another eruption by the child I nicknamed Wyatt Urp. Mrs. JPC was quite unreasonable during this phase of life, claiming her own near-sickness whenever the situation required a “cleanup in Aisle 2” yet enjoying her plushly upholstered and carpeted Chateau Luxe Family Truckster all the rest of the time.
I had tried to buy one of these. A local dealer actually had a new 1995 Ram Wagon 2500 in stock. It was an attractive dark metallic green in SLT trim with gray cloth interior, and the recently-added 5.9 Magnum V8 put some personality back into the old 360. But other than the upholstery fabric, it was apparent that the vehicle had not received a single significant interior update since the 1970’s when that fancy new dashboard came out. It was two bench seats in back, just like the 1973 Royal Sportsman I used to ride around in twenty years earlier.
The dealer let me drive it home to see if it would fit in my garage. It did. But there was a problem – Mrs. JPC. She was not – – in love with (yes, let’s go with that) this van. And there was another problem that prevented me from going all hard-sell on her. It was that Chrysler was unwilling to do what Ford had done in its rear bench seats – provide shoulder harnesses for the two rear window seats on the passenger side. There were two in the places behind the driver, but that left 3 point belts for only 4 out of our 5 family members. “OK kids, lets flip – loser gets the lap belt this time” was not something I was inclined to do. And no headrests for the rear passengers? Really Dodge? And so – – – Ford.
But never fear, I thought to myself, now that Chrysler has started investing money in the old girl this seat belt thing will soon be fixed. Except when it wasn’t. When these got a more extensive update in 1999(?) (the one where they got the big underbite when the frame and engine stretched forward a few inches and the dash was redesigned) I was sure the wagons would get an interior upgrade to battle the Ford Chateau. Nope. But by that time the passenger van was a dead man walking. What few retail buyers there were either wanted no-frills transport for 15 passengers or the full Stripe, Velour & Media Package.
A guy in my neighborhood bought a new Ram Wagon around the time I got my Club Wagon. He still has it. The paint is dull, and it has some rust holes (but not as big as the ones that got driven a lot). This van makes me want to go knock on his door. Maybe he’s ready to sell it. I could provide it with a good home where it would be loved. If only by one of the two people who live at my address.
Having driven three or so of these over time, these drove very well – for a van. When we were shopping for our still owned Econoline I remember test driving a 2001 or 2002 Dodge van that had had the Stripe, Velour, & Media package conversion. It drive quite nicely, nicer I dare say that does my Ford with its Twin I-beam suspension.
Another time I went car shopping with a friend (this happened the day before the events that prompted my writing a piece about a U-Haul rental truck) and he test drove a shortie Dodge conversion van, a truly rare critter. Making it even more undesirable was its being powered by a 3.9 liter V6 with a four-speed automatic. It all made for a dreadful combination of choppy ride and having to downshift relentlessly. I once drove an ’89 Dodge shorty in which the 318 made up for the crummy ride quality.
An oddball theory about this featured van….given its particular shade of blue, I would wager it was purchased new by the US Air Force as they use the same blue. Given the sometimes unique way the GSA wants their vehicles, that could explain the 150 designation and it being a window van. The vinyl driver’s seat is what made me formulate this unprovable theory.
My favorite feature of these vs. the Fords I have owned and driven is the Dodge’s extremely rigid structure. There was always a certain amount of structural flex in the 1975+ Ford body-on-frame van, something that did not go away in the 1992 update. The Dodge never suffered from that – I’m sure that its semi-unit construction was the big reason. Because the b-o-f Dodge pickup of the 70s-80s never displayed that kind of rigidity in my experience (though you would know this better than me).
And you may have a good idea on the Air Force thing. I remember that Dodge offered a really skimpy set of standard color choices on these (at least on the retail Ram Wagons), some of them very unusual and/or outdated. I do not recall this navy blue being one of them. Of course I am sure that there were lots of special order/fleet paint colors available.
I suspect full windows could be optioned on the van, but maybe it was a fleet spec.
I borrowed a friend’s well worn shorty ’94 Ram 150 window van with the 3.9 to fetch a motorcycle out on Seneca Lake back in college. he had purchased it in a silent auction held by Cornell University, it was a former shuttle for the Cornell Synchrotron lab, finally being retired. A complete rust bucket, but aside from an insane amount of slop in the steering and worn shocks, in good mechanical condition (even working A/C). He got it for $375. Honestly, I had a blast driving that thing through the beautiful Finger Lakes. No distracted driving here, with a good 10 degrees of slop side to side in the steering wheel. I loved how distinct/mechanical the kickdown switch was, the detent in the gas pedal was very clearly felt, so you could control whether you wanted to kick down that 3.9 on certain hills. With how sloppy the steering/suspension was and the lower speeds involved on country roads, that motor seemed like plenty at the time.
So it was a very memorable drive. Shortly after that, I had an opportunity to drive a friend’s then new 2012 Subaru WRX. It was my first encounter with the concept of new cars being less interesting/engaging to drive than old ones, even when comparing a turbocharged stick shift AWD rally-bred Subaru to a crusty old automatic van. I test drove some sporty-ish cars recently as I’m starting to noodle on a replacement for my wife’s 2012 Camry (F30 3 series BMW, Q50, manual VW Alltrack, manual Mazda3 hatch), and honestly every single one of them left me completely cold. Not radically different feeling to drive than the ’12 Camry they’re intended to replace. My old stick shift Ford Rangers are vastly more engaging to drive than any of those.
This could be the ultimate Curbside Classic… a vehicle so obscure that probably 98% of even CC readers (myself included) would likely overlook it in a parking lot. Now I’m scratching my head think of when was the last time I noticed a Ram van with windows? I have no clue.
Jason’s Air Force guess is a good one… definitely part of a large fleet of some kind.
Your story about the mess that a sick kid makes reminds me of my first long-distance trip with my oldest kid, when she was a baby. Like your experience, my kid threw up all over the back seat (of my Crown Victoria). It took my well over an hour to clean it up. Later that day, still while traveling, I was sharing that story with a clerk at a store. He asked “Is that your first kid?” I said yes, and he replied “That’s why you still care about cleanliness.” Regardless, at the time, I longed for a vehicle I could just hose out.
I briefly owned a ’96 Class B RV that was an extended Ram of this generation with a gargantuan bubble top camper that went over the front cab. I never warmed up to it. It had decent power, but was heavy and wallowy, with poor visibility.
By ’96, it was clear how ancient the design was. Apart from the updated front clip, it still looked and felt like a crude ’80s van. I sold the camper after owning it for less than 6 months. Bought a VW Eurovan with fewer bells and whistles. The VW was a lot easier to drive…when it would cooperate and run.
I bought a 97’ B3500 maxi 15 passenger. Got it for $1,200 from a local church. Put some A/C Pro in, and drove it across the country hauling my pop-up camper. That wasn’t enough so the summer of 2019 we did it again. This time hauling a 26ft travel trailer. This trip was 7,000 miles and we made climbs in Colorado of 12,000ft in elevation. Snow on the mountains in July is something to see for a family from Tennessee. By far the best buy I’ve ever made on a vehicle. To date still no issues! Behold, Gus the Bean Bus.
A family Friend just got rid of a last gen ram van. Theirs was a 2500 extended WB but no extended overhang. Passenger version (11 I think). They have a large family and decided they wanted a van. Bought cheap low miles (85k maybe) decent shape. They drove it about a year decided they both hated vans (previous family haulers had been minivans (also hated) a tahoe and a suburban). So it got traded on another newer suburban.
I want to like vans I really do, but we had several growing up and I hated them. Every time I drive one again I’m kind of reminded why. I really hate the driving position the limited foot room etc.
Also I think those may be aftermarket windows. Pretty common, my father and I added windows to one of the vans he bought. Jigsaw and a JC Whitney catalog.
Back in the 90’s I volunteered at a museum and I remember one of the other volunteers buying one of those shorty wagons. it was an odd thing but he loved it (it was green). Most of the shorties I see were owned by SNET (phone company) and some of the resulting companies formed out of its demise. The amazing thing was I saw some still out working up unitl a couple years ago.
You might be right. The rubber trim does look different from that on all the other vans pictured.
Although the others probably look different because they are hinged at the top and open at the bottom. I would suspect that there would be an option for fixed glass. I do recall that opening rear windows were an option, so the opening side windows were probably optional too, certainly on vans (as opposed to passenger wagons).
I just happened to see a Dodge van much like the featured ’94 when leaving work–CC Effect strikes again! I too have noticed the “standard” passenger van is quite a rare vehicle on the highway. Most passenger vans I do see are the longer 15-passenger version–even with the Ford Transit–and I imagine it’s been this way for quite a long time, especially after minivans & SUVs made inroads into the consumer market.
The Ford Aerostar never had rear headrests either, unless you got the 2nd-row captain’s chairs. This was the same case for the Chevrolet Astro until the 1995/96 refresh–the headrests came standard then. This issue didn’t bother me when I had my ’96 Aerostar as it allowed a near-unobstructed view when backing up, but adding headrests to the bench seats WOULD have made it a bit safer to ride back there (less risk of whiplash). I don’t think ANY of the US full-size vans got headrests on the standard bench seats until just a few years ago (Nissan NV & Ford Transit).
Yeah, a really unfortunate couple dozen whacks with the ugly-stick. Did they have their eyes on their work? Like, at all? Sure turned out as though not.
I raised similar objections to a different lack in a different safety system on a van made by a different maker. The engineer I was talking to, who was in charge of that aspect of that vehicle’s design and specification, shrugged and said “So? You’re talking about stuff not required by U.S. regs, so why would we increase our costs by putting it in?”.
Love those old Sportsman Wagons. I also like how they were called “Wagons” (they seem like Vans to me…). Great read with some good finds.
Agree on the USAF theory, these used to be running around on Mildenhall and Lakenheath bases here in the UK (any other plane lovers in the UK remember the fantastic airfetes at Mildenhall?).
A couple of years ago there used to be an almost identical ex USAF one of these visiting neighbours up the road from me in the UK (East Anglia and about 40 miles away from afore mentioned bases) and sure it was badged as Ram van too.
There are a few ex USAF vehicles around here, only yesterday I drove past a stripper Air Force blue Chevy/GMC single cab truck of a similar vintage to the Ram that lives in the next village. I believe Air Force have always sold vehicles locally at the end of their service life rather than ship them back home to US.
Having lived in the UK all of my life in East Anglia (near to the US bases – there used to be more than the two previously mentioned bases) I have a real soft spot for stripper US fleet vehicles like these, so much more exotic than an RAF Land Rover or Freight Rover Sherpa!
Great post too by the way!
As someone who grew up with a 1966 Dodge Polara as the family truckster, I was always amused at how many 1966 trim pieces were still in use well into the ’90s on the Dodge vans. The 1960s exterior door handles were used until XJ Jeep Cherokee handles were substituted in the last facelift. The inside door latch and armrest in the interior shot above look just like the ones in the ’66 Polara. The Polara door lock buttons were used on Mopars until the K cars took over, but remained on trucks and vans for another decade or two. The air vents used in the Ram Van dashboard and rear side panels first appeared in the 1974 full size cars\ and were also used in RWD cars up through the last Fifth Avenues.
The defogger outlet registers atop the dashboard of the B-vans were ’63-’66 Dart/Valiant/Barracuda items clear on up through whenever was vans’ last dashboard redesign, I think maybe ’99. Those same defogger registers were used on the Viper, as well.
I briefly drove 15 passenger Dodge non shuttle runs in the late 80s and then spent a lot of time in an Econoline. Ford’s extended nose was “a better idea” since there was a lot more leg room and much better access for routine servicing. That said these were everywhere in the 70s and still common until the 90s so they weren’t bad vans, its just that Ford and Chevy invested more and sold more.
My friend lent me his while out of town to transport some of my larger items in town
Question…how do you pop open the side windows? They have latches that move and are screwed in but I’m afraid to just push up hardereCan someone send me a.video of it or instructions. I swear I am either losing my mind or.going about this all wrong.
I have a maroon 1994 350 with < 30,000 miles garage kept and I’m about to sell it…… it’s all yours. I’ll miss it. It is a powerhouse. 15 passenger.