(first posted 12/4/2017. revised 12/3/2023) The fact that the downsized and unusually-styled 1962 Plymouth and Dodge were a blunder is indisputable, in terms of their failure on the market. But there’s one or more upsides: We invariably love stories of human folly, as it makes us feel just a wee bit smarter; the more extreme the folly, the more delicious the resulting schadenfreude. But blunders often contain brilliance. And the stories that try to lay blame for them are often not as simple as they’re commonly made out to be.
The real story of why these cars were downsized is much more complex and rational than the one that’s been perpetuated for decades.
The story of how these cars came to be have become the automotive equivalent of a Grimm’s fairy tale on stupidity: Once upon a time, Chrysler’s William Newberg was at a garden party (or golf game) and overheard Chevrolet’s Ed Cole saying that there was going to be a smaller Chevy for 1962 (the Chevy II). Jumping to a wildly erroneous assumption that Chevy was going to downsize its full-size cars, Newberg instantly decreed that the already-designed large 1962 Plymouth and Dodge were to be cut down drastically.
And as a consequence, Virgil Exner’s original styling no longer fit; he had to chop the originals down and called them “plucked chickens” and disavowed any responsibility for them. And he was fired regardless. And of course, the cars were duds. And we invariably chuckle when we repeatedly hear this fable of how a giant corporation spent over one billion (current) dollars on this impulsive redesign as well as canceling its planned new 1962 Chrysler and Imperial, all based on an overheard comment.
Well, I stopped believing fairy tales a while back, and this story is simply too pat. “Corporations are people, my friend”, and corporations, like people, act according to their personality, even if that personality has a touch of bipolar. In the case of Chrysler’s personality, there was a well-established tension between styling and engineering; between excess and restraint. This dynamic manifested itself in large swings in both the size and the styling of their cars. In 1962, these two dynamics collided, and the results are commonly judged to be either a stylistic train wreck or a welcome breath of fresh air; too small or just right-sized; an aberration based on an overheard comment or the result of a long-simmering internal power struggle as to the direction Chrysler should take in an increasingly fragmenting market where large car market share was plummeting. The line between brilliance and folly is a very fine one.
A more nuanced insight on these controversial cars requires a skeptical reading of the existing stories and a closer look at Chrysler’s history, which was then just some 35 years old and still very much reflecting its founders’ personalities. That makes this anything but a short, quick, and pat story. And although some conjecture is inevitable given the dearth of available facts and the often inconsistent stories told so far, it’s not going to be a fairy tale.
Walter Chrysler, a self-trained railroad mechanic, engineer, and railroad works manager, moved into the automobile business and became a successful executive at Buick and GM and a rescuer of several other auto manufacturers. He then enjoyed meteoric success with his 1924 Chrysler 70, due to its overwhelming engineering superiority. It was technically some five years or so ahead of its competition at the time (“Suddenly It’s 1929”), with its powerful engine, hydraulic four-wheel brakes, and other features.
These were the doing of his key lieutenants, the engineering holy trinity of Carl Breer, Owen Skelton, and Fred Zeder. That advanced engineering was the making of the company was deeply etched into the corporate mindset. These Chryslers were also attractive, as Walter knew that was important too. His brilliant synthesis of these qualities propelled Chrysler into the number two position in 1936, out of almost nowhere.
Chrysler’s only flub during the pre-war years was the 1934 Airflow. It was predictable that Chrysler’s engineers would be highly attracted to the obvious benefits of streamlining. And that wasn’t all; the Airflow was very advanced in other ways; by pushing its engine well forward over the front axle, the passenger compartment could be moved forward, situated fully between the axles, thus allowing substantially more width, room and a better ride. That was functionally a much bigger step forward than its aerodynamics. Unfortunately, the Airflow’s blunt and too-different front end styling turned off conservative American buyers, despite its many inherent objective advantages.
The Airflow debacle would be remembered for a long time and made Chrysler more conservative. But that doesn’t mean its focus on engineering and the resulting objective qualities was diminished; rather the opposite, actually.
Chrysler’s key lieutenant and heir apparent two was ‘K.T’ Keller, who became Chief Executive in 1935 and took full control in 1938 after the founder became ill. Keller had a similar mechanical-production dominated background to Chrysler, but lacked his mentor’s flair for intuiting what buyers wanted in a car, something that was of course perpetually changing. But there was nothing to suggest any kind of significant change in the direction of Chrysler, which suited its stockholders just fine. During the Keller era, Chrysler typically had healthy profits, and diligently plowed a high share of its revenues and profits back to its stockholders. Everybody was happy, for the time being. But Keller was steeped in the pre-war era, which did him no favors in the very different era to come.
Given what was to come stylistically at Chrysler under Keller, it would be wrong to say that Keller did not have any appreciation for advanced design. Keller was smitten by the 1941 Thunderbolt, designed by Alex Tremulis.
During WW2, Keller managed to keep a few designers (A.B.”Buzz” Grisinger, John Chika and Herb Weissinger) at work on developing concepts for the post-war era. These progressive, pontoon-style Chrysler models from 1942 clearly show Thunderbolt influence, and the direction they were working towards for new post-war cars. But the three of them debarked for Kaiser-Frazer, where their ideas were developed further into the stylistically-advanced pontoon-style 1946 K-F cars.
Their departure resulted in K.T. Keller exerting more direct influence over styling, and the tension between short boxy cars and stylish, smooth long ones clearly shifted. Keller explained in advance that the 1949 cars would favor interior space, including the ability to enter and exit with a hat on. “Our cars are made to sit in, not pee over”, was one of his more salient quotes on the subject. “Bigger on the inside, smaller on the outside” was the official line. But Keller’s bet turned out to be wrong; hat-wearing was on the way out and massive headroom was no longer the priority the market was looking for.
When the Big Three finally unveiled their all-new post-war cars for 1949, the Plymouth (middle) and all the Chrysler cars sharing the same basic body in different lengths came off looking boxy, tall, short and dumpy compared to the smoother, longer and more stylish Chevrolet (top) and Ford (bottom). Despite being half a foot shorter overall than the other two, the Plymouth had a significantly longer 118.5″ wheelbase, and as a consequence, its interior space utilization was superior. With its short overhangs and tall body, the Plymouth predicted the CUVs of today. “Suddenly It’s 2010!”
But that wasn’t all. Plymouth had an even smaller version, the P17, which sat on a 111″ wb, was a mere 185″ long, and could be considered a genuine foray into compact-car territory. This was the smallest car in America at the time, except for the diminutive Crosley.
Although Keller’s fedora-mobiles sold reasonably well enough during their long run (1949-1952), they under-performed the market dominated by their flashier, lower and longer competition. Chrysler’s lost its coveted number two rank to a rejuvenated Ford in 1950, and its market share continued to slip, steadily. Clearly, the pendulum had swung too far.
Perhaps to compensate for his dominant tendencies towards the short and boxy, Keller initiated contact with the Italian design houses Pininfarina and Ghia in 1949 and contracted them to build two sedans. Pininfarina’s Chrysler sedan’s front end clearly influenced the 1953 Plymouth’s.
The Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia (above), although a bit heavy in the rear, was the beginning of a long and fruitful relationship with that firm, because Ghia could build fully functioning concept cars significantly cheaper than Pininfarina. And in an even bigger step, 1949, Keller hired Virgil Exner to head and develop a new Advanced Styling Studio. The XX-500’s front end undoubtedly influenced Virgil Exner’s love for classic upright grilles.
In 1950, “Old KT” handed over the reins to Lester Lum ‘Tex’ Colbert, and the roller coaster ride that he and Chrysler would take in the ’50s to 1961 was now underway. Things started off rather poorly.
Curiously enough, the 1953 Plymouth was downsized, again. Wheelbase was cut to 114″, and overall length to a mere 189″. The timing couldn’t have been worse: Ford and Chevrolet engaged in a production blitz to increase their market share at the expense of Chrysler and all of the independents.
Although Virgil Exner was not directly responsible for the rather lackluster 1953-1954 cars, he was peripherally involved, having championed its one piece windshield and integrated rear fenders, both steps forward from its predecessor. But the Plymouth and Dodge were out of step for the times when the competition was going the opposite direction.
The results were dismal. Plymouth sales dropped a whopping 36% in ’53, despite the new styling, and then dropped another 29% in ’54. Dodge dove too. Chrysler Corp. market share, revenue and profit all took a nasty tumble. And Chrysler would never again be Number Two. Colbert was determined to right the listing ship, with an emphasis on design as well as (big) size.
Exner’s job was to create advanced concepts that would provide fertile ground from which future Chrysler production cars would sprout. After being introduced to the Italians via the XX-500, he formed a partnership with Ghia in Italy that became highly productive, and a stream of concepts, show cars and even limited production cars flowed from it. The first was the 1950 K-310, which is here posing with Exner and Luigi Segre (right), Ghia’s chief designer. The partnership with Ghia allowed Exner’s artistic abilities to flourish, as well as have them be turned into actual cars. A dream come true.
Although Chrysler never put any of these cars into production, it was a different approach from GM and Ford, who “built” much more outlandish concepts that were mostly non-functional. All the Ghia-built cars were completely road-worthy.
We’re not going to do an in-depth review of the extensive collaboration with Ghia, but it must have been a deeply satisfying one for him, as Ex was an artist in temperament and was often referred to as “a designer’s designer”. This Chrysler D’Elegance from 1952 is an evolution of his K-310, and already shows numerous elements that would reappear on future production cars.
His love of the large classic grille, low set headlights, and most importantly, the lack of a continuous horizontal belt line are all in evidence here, as well as the signature fake spare tire cover (“toilet seat”) and free-standing taillights, which would both make repeated appearances on production cars. Note how flush the side windows are with the top of the door; that, along with the lack of a break at the base of the C-pillar and a sloping rear deck were the beginning of Exner’s “fuselage style” that would come to fruition on the 1960 Valiant and 1962 Plymouth and Dodge.
Given how this story ends, ironically it was the failure of the downsized ’53-’54 Plymouth and Dodge that catapulted Exner into the big leagues, with big cars. He was promoted to Director of Styling in 1953, and tasked with the Herculean job of completely restructuring Chrysler’s Design Studios in the vein of GM’s Styling Studios, no longer under the wing of Engineering.
But most importantly, he put his career on the line by offering to complete the styling of the proposed new 1955 cars within a very short period of time. Colbert took him up on the offer, with less than 18 months to go before they went into production. The “Forward Look” had arrived, with its emphasis on long and strong front end styling.
The 1955 cars, which still sat on their predecessor’s 1949-vintage frames and chassis (with certain changes), were absolutely critical to returning Chrysler to health. And they lived up to the high expectations set for them. Exner had proven himself, and now had the full trust and support of the company behind him. Chrysler was back in the game, thanks to a big bet on big and stylish cars.
And they were mighty big, including the Plymouth, which shared its basic body shell with the Chrysler and Imperial. Overall length jumped to a whopping 203.8″, compared to 198.5″ for the ’55 Ford and 195.6″ for the ’55 Chevrolet. 1955 was a huge sales year for the industry and Chrysler; Plymouth managed a strong gain to 702k. Although it was a relatively good year, even then Chrysler’s profit margins were not nearly as healthy as GM and Ford’s. Which left Chrysler with less margin for future errors or downturns.
But being back in the game was not enough for Exner; he was determined to leap-frog GM and Ford, and his ambition was soon fulfilled in the highly-finned 1957 cars, which were rushed into production one year earlier than the typical three-year cycle. It was a mammoth undertaking, not only their design, but also to convince the engineers that it was possible to build a car a full 5″ lower than its predecessor. And of course longer (204.6″) and wider (78.2″), essentially setting the standard for American full-size cars for years to come. The pendulum had now swung as far away from Kellner’s short, boxy fedora-mobiles as possible.
The resulting all-new chassis including the new torsion bar front suspension—but still using a traditional ladder-type frame that ate into interior room—required a revolution in how these cars were developed. In the past the engineers at Chrysler had controlled the packaging, format, development and before the ’55s, even the styling of new cars; now they were forced to work in partnership with the stylists, if not even in a subordinate role. Were they happy about this? Was this all going too far? Would there be a growing backlash, not only inside Chrysler but outside as well?
Space efficiency, passenger comfort, seating position, parking and the ease of handling and maneuvering these very large cars had all now taken a back seat, and it did not sit well with many Americans, not just Chrysler engineers. Especially in the face of a sudden recession in 1958, that had a huge negative impact on Americans’ feelings about these very large cars.
A public backlash was already brewing, fueled by the press and in books like “The Insolent Chariots” (1958). Meanwhile, AMC was all-in with compact cars, and sales of the Rambler exploded in 1958 to number six overall. Studebaker brought out its successful 1959 Lark. And there was an explosion of imports, led by the rise of the VW Beetle — the ultimate anti-’57 Chrysler. The bigger the Big Three cars got, the better the imports sold.
The Big Three had held off the insurgency of the first wave of domestic compacts in the early 50s, but now a tsunami was brewing. Detroit had convinced itself that bigger, longer, wider, lower and finnier was the formula for Americans, but a rapidly growing number of them weren’t buying it anymore, or only buying it reluctantly, because the domestic alternatives weren’t quite palatable either.
Rightfully or not, Virgil Exner was now seen as the father of these finned beasts, and not just the ones Chrysler built. Fatherhood can be a heavy crown to wear. Exner, a chain smoker, had pushed himself very hard to get the ’57s completed. He preferring to spend his long days being hands-on, working out some detail in clay rather than just directing his teams. Ex suffered a massive heart attack in July of 1956, shortly before the ’57s arrived to great accolades. He had to recuperate at home for five months, and afterwards his health was delicate. He stayed in contact with his design teams, and took full responsibility for what came out of his studios, despite the turmoil. Obviously, the period that followed was more difficult, in more ways than one, including Chrysler’s precarious financial position. Bill Schmidt took effective control during Exner’s convalescence, and after Exner’s return, a nasty political battle divided the studios.
Serious quality lapses of the new ’57 Chrysler Corp. cars tainted these cars and the company further. Combined with the recession of 1958, which hit large and more expensive cars disproportionately hard (think Edsel), Chrysler was in a world of hurt, posting a bruising loss of some $500 million (over $4 billion adjusted) in 1958. 1959 was not much better either. There were heated internal discussions as to the choices Chrysler had made, and serious retrenchment was in order, resulting in deep cost-cutting. Many hundreds of white collar jobs were eliminated in successive waves, and not surprisingly, product development decisions would be impacted.
There was also a serious intrinsic stylistic problem for the 1958-1959 years, as in how to follow-up on the bold new ’57s, given the financial limitations on doing anything more than minor refreshes. Meanwhile, Chevrolet was all-new in 1958, and would be again in 1959. And Ford’s changes to its cars during these years, which had mostly eschewed fins anyway, were much more extensive than at Plymouth, which had only a very minor refresh in ’58 and a slightly more ambitious face lift in 1959 (above). They already seemed stuck in 1957.
Although the 1960 models were touted as “new”, and eliminated the separate frame from the cowl back (unibody construction with a front subframe), the differences, as perceived by the customer—and in their actual stats—were very limited. Chrysler simply couldn’t afford truly “new” cars for 1960. Did this 1961 Chrysler 300 (bottom) really look that much different than the 1957 (top)? Look closely at the many details shared, both stylistically, and technically. They have the same wheelbase, front and rear track, height is the same, and their length is within a half inch, and width would be the same width save for the ’61’s outstretched fins.
The 1960 models adopted a mostly-unibody construction, eliminating the frame from the cowl back in order to increase interior space, but the frame was kept in the front. This process was expedient, and as many hard points were kept as possible between the ’59 and ’60 model, as a truly all-new design would have been too expensive during this period of belt-tightening.
The question as to why the “new” 1960 models looked so similar to their predecessors would never be asked of the competition, which underwent drastic stylistic changes during these tumultuous years in the industry. Now the relevant slogan would be “Suddenly It’s 1960, Again, and Again and Again”. These were undoubtedly difficult years for Exner for a number of reasons. He was a designer, not a design executive, and the uneven results during the various restyles in this period speak for themselves. Exner needed to do something truly new and different, all the time.
There was another major financial distraction, or an opportunity, in the case of Exner. Chrysler had dithered for some years on varying plans to build a small car. Initially it was going to be a European-sized car with a four cylinder engine, but the knowledge that both GM and Ford were going to build compacts in 1960 forced their hand. In July of 1958, Chrysler finally decided on the size and packaging of their compact. It was to have a 106.5″ wheelbase, able to seat six (in a pinch), have a six cylinder engine, and be a genuine “car”, not a “toy”, as the small imports were referred to in Detroit. Designing and engineering a completely new car and putting it into production in 14 months was a phenomenal performance. Predictably, it also resulted in quality issues not unlike the ’57s, including body leaks and such.
The 1960 Valiant plays a key role in this story, both stylistically and technically. The Valiant gave Exner exactly the kind of sculptural opportunity that the big cars hadn’t been providing. By 1958, Exner was well over the ’57’s symmetrical body shape and fins, and was looking for the next design design barrier to smash. And he found it, in the form of the long-hood, short deck fuselage style. It was dubbed “Forward Flair”.
Rightfully, a full post on the Valiant would precede this one, as it is such a critical chapter of Exner’s design evolution. The 1957-1961 cars, like all American cars at the time, were what I sometimes call “two-box” cars; a smaller, narrower box (roof/greenhouse) sitting on a larger box (everything from the belt line down), creating a distinct shoulder that defined their meeting point. The 1961-up Lincoln (and other cars of the era) made that a prominent design feature, but it was there to varying degrees on all production cars, in part for engineering purposes.
Exner’s 1958 Imperial D’Elegance concept, although acknowledged to be flawed by him overall, was the turning point and provided most of the direct inspiration for the Valiant, and subsequently for the 1962s. The leading edge of the protruding headlight nacelles turned into a protrusion on the front fender that Exner called a “side fin”; he would soon utilize it at the rear too. This would be the feature that replaced the rear fins, still present here. But the most important aspect was the center section of the body. The curved side windows were essentially flush with the doors, to create the “fuselage look” that he was after, inspired by modern airplanes. And Exner’s desire to maximize visibility resulted with thin or no pillars, to the extent technically possible.
The D’Elegance’s set-back greenhouse, semi-fastback rear window and sloping trunk accentuated the extravagant length of the front end, which protruded well ahead of the front wheels. And the windshield was pushed back, close to the driver, to accentuate the proportions even more so. Exner was out to replicate the proportions and feel of his beloved Ghia coupes, but on a compact sedan. That alone was a highly questionable move, as it’s generally considered much wiser to introduce a new styling direction on a high-end car, and then have it filter down to the lowly compacts. That’s essentially what Ford did with its 1958 Thunderbird, and GM with its Corvette and Cadillac Broughams.
The Valiant was bequeathed the D’Elegance’s six-window greenhouse, but with pillars, although as slender as possible. The side windows were as flush to the door upper edge as Chrysler’s engineers could possibly make them, a major technical breakthrough for a mass production car at the time. For the Valiant’s face, Exner reverted back to one he had done variations of so many times before. And here were the front headlight eyebrows that turned into side fins on the front fenders and tapered into the front doors. And now there were the new rear side fins that started low, arced their way around the fully-exposed rear wheel, and terminated as a flared winglet. This was all rather radical. And controversial. And highly prescient in terms of its long-hood, short trunk proportions.
The rear managed to be even more controversial than the front, with its sharply-sloping trunk lid which was graced with Exner’s trademark fake spare tire cover (“toilet seat”).
Since the seating requirements for a compact sedan limited the possibility of actually moving the passenger compartment to the rear of the platform (like Ford would do with the Mustang), Exner had to rely on more sleight of hand. He pushed the windshield back as far as possible, which resulted in an unusually shallow and flat dashboard, with the self-contained instrument pod mounted on it. It created a very different sensation, especially for the passenger, and was in opposition of the trend towards steeper windshields whose bases were set increasingly further forward windshield.
The contrast to the Valiant’s 1960 domestic competitors, the Corvair (top) and Falcon (bottom) was all-too obvious, in all these and other respects. Its styling was—and still is—polarizing. I can appreciate its many boundary-breaking qualities, and understand what Exner was trying to do, but it’s not a truly harmonious or pleasing design. It has a bit of a hunchback quality, and the rear side fender treatment is a bit much. The Valiant was John Coltrane at his most dissonant to the Corvair’s Herbie Mann and the Falcon’s Frankie Avalon. An acquired taste, in other words. But its long-hood, short trunk proportions would be soon-enough copied throughout the industry, and Virgil Exner rightfully gets the credit.
Given the Valiant’s groundbreaking design, it’s a bit curious that the response in Europe to it was nothing like the Corvair’s, which was embraced as the second coming of post-war auto design, and set off a global design revolution.
The Valiant’s sales results were rather predictable. Despite being technically superior to its competition, the Valiant in its first generation (1960-1962) was not a success, being outsold (by a huge margin) by the Falcon and the Corvair. It sold reasonably well enough, and certainly helped Chrysler’s otherwise dismal results during those years. And its fully unitized body (the large 1960-up cars still had a bolted-on front subframe), its excellent slant six engine, lightweight aluminum-case Torqueflite automatic and torsion-bar front suspension would serve not only the Valiant and its future A-Body descendants for many years to come, but would also play a key technical role in the ultimate 1962 Plymouth and Dodge.
From here on out, the creation myth of the ’62s, based on numerous readily-available accounts, gets decidedly less consistent and a bit fuzzy at times. Clearly Exner’s next big challenge was to create a whole new line of 1962 large cars, long overdue. One or two sources say that Exner gave orders to three designers (Bill Brownlie, Cliff Voss and Dick Baird) to sequester themselves (mainly from Bill Schmidt) and create a concept as a basis for the new direction. And supposedly after a few weeks, this is what they came up with, dubbed “Super Sport”, for the Plymouth brand. But other accounts differ, but in any case, this sporty Plymouth hardtop gives a clear indication of the direction taken for the ’62s.
And in some tellings, the Super Sport led directly to the disappearance of Exner-rival Bill Schmidt, as it proved that Exner was still very much the alpha male at Chrysler design. In any case, Chrysler President Lester “Tex” Colbert was fully behind Exner at this point, and the Super Sport would lead the way, for the time being.
The rear sported two versions of the roof line and rear window; one with a Colonnade-style B-pillar and wrap-around window, the other a more conventional approach, not all that different from the production 1960-1961 cars.
Some of the same design language can be seen in the 1960 Ghia L 6.4, which is not overtly credited to Exner, but was clearly the fruit of the continued collaboration that was still going on with the Italian design firm.
Exner wanted to replicate 1957 and lead the industry once again. One of the key features of these cars are their side “chicken wings” over their rear fenders. It’s just an evolution of what he did on the Valiant, and reflects his almost pathological resistance to continuous horizontal features; belt lines, or otherwise.
What are we looking at, in these pictures from the studio on or about July 1959? Starting on the left, a big Plymouth wagon, what is likely a Plymouth hardtop coupe and then a four-door Dodge hardtop, along with the Super Sport in front and the Imperial in the back, far right.
Here’s a close-up for those two in the back. Note the Vee’d rear windows as well as the curved side glass. How expensive were those two ambitious features going to be? No one had done either of these before, except the curved side windows on the high-end ’57 Imperial.
Here we see the S-Series family from a different angle. The Dodge is in the foreground. The Imperial (most likely) is next (from the left), followed by another Imperial, then the front of the Chrysler, and then two DeSotos and finally another Imperial.
Here’s a better shot of the Plymouth wagon.
And the Plymouth sedan. As is quite obvious, these are all large full-sized cars, sharing the same basic body shell (as had been the case at Chrysler for some years), except of course for additional length on the senior models due to wheelbase stretches. It’s safe to assume that they would have the same hybrid “unibody” construction with front subframes, as all subsequent large (C-Body) Chrysler Corp. cars would have, all the way through 1977.
Here’s the DeSoto, but there were other similar ones with different front ends, which seemed to be constantly in flux throughout this period.
One hopes that the still-born ’62 Chrysler would have worn a different face than this one.
The proposed ’62 Imperial (above) clearly shares its basic large body with the Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge and Plymouth, which reflects a pragmatic retrenching after the poor showing of the unique Imperial after 1957.
Clearly Exner had found his new design language for 1962, dubbed “Forward Flair”. The key emphasis was on a strong and long front end. Another design element was the “speedboat cowl”, where the base of the windshield was not flat, but decidedly curved to meet a raised and curved cowl. It too became even more prominent on the final cars.
It’s quite evident that these were not going to be inexpensive cars to build, particularly in the case of the Plymouth and Dodge.
Chrysler’s cars, including the Plymouth, had been more expensive than their competition, but to Americans looking for the latest in swoopy styling and gimmicks in the late 50s, Chrysler’s “engineering premium” was no longer saleable; the market had moved on. Plymouth’s price premium had to (and did) shrink throughout the 50s, but the Belvedere’s premium to the Bel Air was still 7% in 1955, but finally narrowed to 2% in 1957. That was due directly to increased and more complete body sharing among all the ’57 cars. All wagons now shared the same body, and the differences in sedans and coupes was much more limited, save for some wheelbase stretches and external skin.
Walter Chrysler’s original decision to make Plymouth available as a low-cost “companion brand” to all three of the primary brand dealers (Chrysler, DeSoto and Dodge) turned out to be a rather big mistake, as the dealers invariably treated Plymouth as the poor stepchild, always trying to upsell its customers to the more profitable cars, except during recessions, when Plymouths came in handy. This was intrinsically a flawed strategy, as GM and Ford had long moved away from that type of arrangement.
It’s not possible to go into depth on all of the very serious financial challenges facing Chrysler in the 50s, but there were constant internal battles about the best solutions to them. Deep cost-cutting was the most obvious one, and paramount in this time period, especially in 1958-1959. And into this charged atmosphere, the proposed 1962 cars were very ambitious, large and expensive.
None of these proposed S-series cars came to pass. Why? That is of course the crux of this story. And as stated at the top, it is supposedly the sole doing of William C. Newberg (above), after overhearing the misinterpreted comment from Ed Cole at a garden party.
Right from Newberg’s title, there’s inconsistencies in the story. Some versions of the story have this event happening between April 28, 1960 and June 30, 1960, during the 64 days that Newberg was President of Chrysler, before he had to resign due to a conflict of interest charge. That timetable would have left barely 12 months before pilot production of the ’62s would have started, which is unrealistic. The story has design and engineering staff working round the clock for months to make this happen. And the results were of course the “plucked chickens” that resulted.
But there’s clear evidence that this didn’t happen in 1960 at all, even photographic.
These pictures are from the same studio, but now dated February 1960. And in the lower picture, in the center, is a Dodge coupe that has clearly been downsized.
There’s one more reason to cast doubt on the “overheard Ed Cole” story. The Dodge in that February 1960 is extremely close to the production version (below). Yet it’s well documented that there were numerous iterations in the process of redesigning these actual ’62 cars, which we’ll look at more further on. This suggests that the garden party and the decision to completely revamp the ’62 cars more likely happened in the summer of 1959, as some versions tell the story. But there’s a hitch with that one too: Ed Cole only decided that what became the Chevy II was going to have to be created in or about December of 1959, two months after the 1960 Corvair went on the market and was instantly outsold by the Falcon by a two-to-one margin. Did they have winter garden parties in Detroit?
It may seem like a small detail, but all the versions of the story say it happened at a garden party (one says on the golf course).
Update: There is another scenario, which is actually by far the most likely and obvious one: Ed Cole was referring to the downsizing that the full-size Chevy (and all the GM full size cars) would get for 1961. These cars weren’t downsized drastically, but they lost some inches in length and width, and were a bit lighter. In the summer of 1959, these trimmer ’61s would have had their design locked in. Cole wasn’t referring to the Chevy II, which hadn’t even remotely been even imagined in the summer of 1959; he was of course referring to the trimmer 1961s. Why didn’t I or anyone else think of this obvious scenario before?
There are reasons why the date is important: In 1959, Newberg was Executive VP in charge of Operations. And in an excellent article in Fortune magazine from 1958 on Chrysler’s woes, Newberg is identified as having a boss other than Chrysler President Colbert, in the person of Edgar C. Row, First Corporate VP. So is it reasonable to assume that an executive two layers down from the top could make a unilateral decision to completely change the direction of the development of the two largest-volume cars in the company? Maybe Fortune got it wrong, or maybe Row had retired by then. But even then, it seems unrealistic.
In Richard Langworth’s excellent book “Chrysler and Imperial – The Post War Years”, there is no mention of the so-called garden party episode. Instead, he quotes Virgil Exner, Jr.: “He (Exner Sr.) always referred to them as the ‘picked chickens’, because somebody got a wild ass idea up there (the executive suite) to make them low in cost”. This is of course the obvious and logical reality: these ambitious cars were the victims of another major wave of cost-cutting.
There had always been a massive political war going on at Chrysler between the conservative engineers and the stylists, and this now came to a head due to the ’57’s well-publicized quality issues. The engineers blamed it on the extreme demands that Exner and the stylists (with the support of Colbert) placed on them. And there was a strong contingent of engineers and executives at Chrysler who had bemoaned the general growth in size and weight of the American full-size car during the ’50s, and had been advocating a more rational, space-efficient, fuel-efficient and cost-efficient approach. The failure of the ’57s after one year and the crash of all large car sales in 1958 vindicated them, and there’s no doubt that the decision to abandon the large and expensive S-Series was a long-simmering issue that finally burst wide open, in their favor.
We can speculate forever, but a fair assumption is this: if the garden party episode actually ever happened (in the summer or fall of 1959) or something like it, then it was only the straw that broke the camel’s back. The battle between the stylish-longer-lower camp and the practical-shorter-lighter camp had been raging within Chrysler since the beginning of the decade, and after the issues with the ’57s, the recession and collapse of the large car market and Chrysler’s deep financial problems, the engineers-smaller-is-better camp won this round.
This chart tells the most important story of all: the collapse of the full-size car market starting in 1957, and accelerating thereafter. With the huge explosion of import sales and the meteoric rise of Rambler, it was an extremely pragmatic question as to whether it made any sense to invest in a massive new large car program at Chrysler.
Before we look at the stylistic development of these new “picked/plucked chickens”, lets briefly examine just what Newberg and the engineers decreed: the Plymouth and Dodge would be built on a 116″ wheelbase, 2″ less than before, and no more than 72″ wide at the door posts. And reduce the amount of glass (which is heavy) and ditch the expensive curved glass, and especially the Vee’d rear windscreen. But most significantly, these cars were not to be just cut down versions of the existing platform, but to be totally new, a 100% unibody, and to draw heavily on the Valiant in doing so.
This last decision was very pragmatic, as the Valiant had given the Chrysler engineers the experience and confidence to do it again, on a somewhat larger car.
This brings up another area of controversy. Some versions of the story say that the edict was that these new cars (we’ll call them B-Bodies from now on) were to actually share the Valiant’s body, at least in substantial part. There are references to the Valiant’s body being stretched to meet the new dimensions. Or that the side fins on the Valiant’s front fender and door and similar ones on the B-Body prove that they shared basic body shells. One of the accounts claims that the designers and engineers were forced to use the Valiant’s cowl and make it work for the B-Body. That’s essentially impossible, as the cowl is the most complex part of a unibody car, and the Valiant was significantly narrower; one can’t readily “stretch” a cowl.
Despite certain obvious structural similarities between these cars, there were too many differences to support this story. Yes, the B-Body (bottom image) in concept and engineering principles very much follows the Valiant’s (top two images), but it is larger, wider and heavier, and none of the pressings and details appear to be shared directly.
In fact, these stories have it backwards. One quote is; “the formula came down on high that the new ’62 body shell was to be shared by the Plymouth, the Dodge, the Valiant and the Lancer; common doors, common cowls”. The right interpretation is that management wanted the next generation Valiant and Lancer to share as much with the new B-Body as possible, not the other way around. And here’s likely proof, in the form of a Valiant clay from this time, with what appears to aspects of the coming B-Body’s squared-off roof structure and presumably other elements being incorporated, and not to a very positive effect.
From the 4/95 CA article: “Precious time was wasted trying to spin a compact Valiant off the full-size body shell, even though it was slightly smaller”. It turned out to be a dead end, and the A-cars kept their distinct platform/body/chassis for years to come.
Once again, the commonly-told stories suggest that once the edict came down, time was very short, and the design staff was put on double shifts to get these new B-Bodies ready, by essentially just cutting down the design of the S-series to the smaller dimensions. But the photographic record doesn’t support such a rushed and direct route. It suggests that rather than “cutting down” the S-series cars, a lot of fresh, new design went into them, for better or for worse.
Exner was now on his asymmetrical binge, as realized in his XNR sports car. And he wasted no time (but wasted lots of time in the process) applying aspects of that on the new B-Body.
Here’s a number of rather absurd clays in the top two rows above that were made to explore the subject, for the B-Body Plymouth. And yet none of the S-series cars had any asymmetry. Was Exner being serious, or was he trying to torpedo the new B-Body out of spite? Although forced to tone it down, it was only at the last minute that he finally had to drop the driver’s side hood spear and the asymmetrical license plate and tail lights on the Plymouth (bottom row). They may have been “plucked chickens” in his eyes, but they’re mutant chickens in mine.
Let’s take a look at how the Dodge design evolved. This early rendering has the same body as the other S-Series cars, and already has the kicked-up rear wheel/fender crease, which was of course also used on the Valiant.
Curiously, that particular feature then went missing in the later clays; the upper three rows are from June 30, 1959. The show the evolution of the Dodge’s front end, which needless to say, has always been its most controversial feature. According to the B-Body lore, Dodge Division GM M.C.Patterson insisted on having the grill work being convex instead of the concave design that is seen in the concept on the right. Would it have made much of a difference either way? Certainly not.
The mock-up on the bottom is dated February 29, 1960, and is very close to the final product, and the rear upkick extrusion is back. Given that date, there were some 18 months to engineer and tool these cars, compared to the 14 months for the Valiant, which included styling it too.
Engineering and tooling for the new B-Bodies was anything but cheap, running to some $87.5 million (about a quarter billion adjusted). One of the major consequences of this massive investment in these new B-Bodies is that the planned 1962 S-Series based Chrysler, Imperial and DeSoto programs were killed. Which of course makes a huge amount of sense, given that all of the planned large S-Series cars from the Plymouth to the Imperial would have shared the same new basic body. So this decision to downsize Plymouth and Dodge was really a decision that affected all of the company’s products form top to bottom.
As a consequence, the ’62 Chrysler was largely the same as the ’61, except that its fins were shorn. This is actually the origin of the “plucked chickens” term, as Exner felt these cars now lacked balance and interest without the fins.
In 1963, the ’63 Chrysler finally got a fairly extensive refresh, but of the existing body. It’s a watered-down version of what Exner had proposed. Meanwhile, the Imperial just soldiered along with a few minor changes during these two years. The DeSoto brand was of course killed altogether after 1961, a victim of the 1958 recession and aftermath.
Chrysler sacrificed its large cars for the new smaller ones, which they felt had more promise. Which turned out to be to be true; Chrysler would never have any genuine success with full size cars again, even after they were fully restyled in 1965. Meanwhile, the B-Bodies would achieve considerable success for two decades to come.
The resulting 1962 B-Bodies were a revolutionary departure from the norm, meaning the development of the full-size American car from the early 50s up to this point. Before we compare them to their competitors, let’s quickly examine just how different they were from their predecessors (top). In terms of their design and visual impact, the differences were stark, with the ’62’s boxier green house, shorter tail and overall proportions.
Length was reduced some 7.5″, and width by 6.5″, over half a foot. Yet interior space was actually better in many respects than the ’61s, more so than the numbers alone tell, with the coupes actually increasing rear leg room by four inches. And since the seating was raised (in relation to the floor), a more natural position was affected. Only hip and shoulder room suffered by a couple of inches, which was only noticed on the relatively rare occasions when three-abreast were seated.
The station wagons had the same 116″ wheelbase, but the body was extended a full 10″ at the rear to make a competitive cargo area and room for a rear-facing third seat. This was quite unusual, and I can’t think of a ready analog in Detroit, but the sedans’ short rear end would have made for a wagon lacking in rear cargo space.
The transmission tunnel was reduced substantially due to the new aluminum case V8 “TorqueFlite 8” (A-727), which followed the example of the Valiant’s 1960 version in a number of ways, and now it also had a parking sprag to eliminate the old-fashioned parking/emergency drum brake on the back of the old Torqueflite unit. The six cylinder B-Bodies naturally used the Valiant’s unit (A-904).
The front compartment is similar to the Valiant’s, with the steep and shallow dash and a self-contained instrument pod directly in front of the driver.
Not surprisingly, it’s asymmetrical in shape and layout. Exner didn’t have to give it all up.
It’s certainly well-laid out, in terms of functionality: Full instrumentation in the center, push buttons for the automatic on the left (not on this manual car), and heater/ventilation/ac controls on the right. The speedometer is one of the best in any American car; Corvette-worthy. Compare it to a ’62 Chevy panel for stark contrast.
To improve front seat leg room in the shorter body, in a nod to the Airflow the engines were pushed forward four inches, as well as being mounted somewhat lower. That created a lack of ground clearance, so the flywheels were reduced 2″ in diameter. But the smaller ring gear hampered cold-weather starting.
The solution was the Chrysler double-reduction-gear starter with its classic Na rayre neeer neeer neeer sound (copyrighted by Jim Cavanaugh). So we have one more thing to add to the many lasting influences of the plucked chickens.
There were numerous other improvements, including a new lighter aluminum steering box, with steering effort reduced by 20%. In total, all these changes meant that weight was reduced by a whopping 400 lbs compared to the ’61s. This yielded numerous dynamic benefits, including consistently higher performance as well as improved fuel economy from every engine as compared to its predecessors and the competition.
The B-Body was specifically designed so that even with the base 145 hp 225 CID slant six it would perform quite satisfactorily; almost as well as its V8 competitors. And that its steering would be quite manageable without power steering. Ditto for its brakes. And of course, for all aspects of its handling, which was materially better in all metrics as well as the competition. A six cylinder two-door weighed in at all of 2930 lbs (curb weight).
This comparison with a few other select cars is telling. The ’62 Plymouth (and Dodge) are very close in many dimensions to the 1955 Chevrolet, a design I’ve often upheld as the ideal size and packaging for a sedan. Of course the ’62s are lower, but that’s almost totally due to their unibody structure eliminating unnecessary height due to the ’55 Chevy’s frame; the B-Bodies actually beat the ’55 Chevy on headroom.
The most compelling comparison is with the GM 1977 B-Bodies, as represented by this Chevrolet Caprice. Wheelbase is the same 116″, and GM used many of same tricks that Chrysler had 15 year earlier, pushing the engine forward and squaring off the passenger compartment. The similarities in their proportions are unmistakable, as are the sloping hood and trunk. GM even reverted to the same trick as Exner did with the windshield, pushing it closer to the front passengers to maximize the visual mass of the hood. The biggest difference is in their overall lengths; the Chevrolet is 10″ longer, mostly accounted for by the regulation 5-mile bumpers.
Making the downsized Chevrolet look as long as possible was high on the priorities of Mitchell’s last big styling project before his retirement. and clearly the results were much more palatable to the taste of the typical American buyer in 1977 than was the case with the Chrysler B-Bodies in 1962. But then an energy crisis in 1960 or so might have made them look a lot more attractive.
Here’s what the buyer looking for a new full-sized low-cost coupe was looking at in 1962, from the Big Three. Stylistically, the Plymouth stands out dramatically. The Chevy and Ford are “two-box” cars; a slightly narrower and smaller box sitting almost symmetrically on a bigger one below. In both cases, a strong horizontal trim line accentuates their intrinsic rectilinearity; the greenhouse sits roughly in the middle. Very easy on the eyes; no challenges there.
The Plymouth, with its rear-set cabin, long hood, short deck and fuselage sides, with no break between the base of the C-Pillar and body, looks to be from a whole different…world. Exnerworld, that is. Regardless of one’s feelings for the Extrusions on its sides, the tension in its taut skin and rippling muscles makes it looks dramatically more dynamic and aggressive. And of course the Chevy outsold it eight to one.
We haven’t yet touched on the most compelling benefit of downsizing: performance. Due to the significant improvement in weight, Chrysler cut the large 383 and 413 V8s from the line-up, reducing it to just the standard 225 slant six, the polysphere 318, available in 230 hp 2V and 260 hp 4V versions, and a 305 hp 4V version of the 361 B-Block V8. With the 361, performance was already stellar (0-6 in 8 seconds or less), but in response to Chevrolet’s new high-performance 409 and Ford’s 406, Chrysler saw fit to expand the engine offerings later in the year, with several versions of the 383 and 413.
The top offering was the legendary “Max Wedge” 413, with its new short-runner ram intake manifold and wild upswept cast exhaust headers that emptied into large exhaust pipes with cut outs. Needless to say, just about every surviving ’62 Plymouth or Dodge two-door has been turned into a Ram wedge tribute.
These cars, with their short wheelbase and light weight, were immensely successful on the drag strips. The Melrose Missle became the first factory stock car to break the 12 second barrier in the quarter mile. These cars also did extremely well in shorter-track NASCAR and USAC circle-racing, but not so much so on the super speedways, where their aerodynamics and limited top end power would soon be rectified in the form of the 426 hemi.
These cars did not move as well in the showrooms as they did on the tracks, being slaughtered by the competition. In 1962 1.4 million Americans chose a full size Chevy, 705k chose a Ford and only 183k took home a Plymouth; that tells the sad tale. That was a 12% drop for Plymouth after an already terrible 1961.
And the Dodge fared worse, plummeting 25%, down to a mere 148k. Even the Corvair outsold it by a large margin.
Dodge dealers had seen it coming at the dealer presentations and demanded a full-sized car. Plymouth dealers, who were most often paired with Chrysler, at least had the brisk-selling Chrysler Newport to offer. The Dodge 880 was quickly cobbled up from leftover body parts (1961 Dart front clip and Chrysler Newport body), but it did little to stem the hemorrhaging, selling only 18k units in its shortened year.
There was one silver lining in the dark cloud: the Dodge Polara 500 coupe and convertible was outfitted with bucket seats, console and other accoutrements to make it one of the pioneers in the category, soon to be flooded with cars like Grand Prix, Impala SS, Ford XL, etc.. It sold a healthy 12k units, which resulted in Plymouth’s mid-year intro of its own Sport Fury to join the bucket brigade. Buyers in this segment seemed to find the Polara 500’s unique styling and fine performance to be quite compelling. In subsequent years, when its styling was substantially toned down, Polara 500 sales completely tanked.
Due to immense pressure from Plymouth dealers, who had air-sickness from Exner’s fuselage design without a single piece of trim connecting the front to the rear, an ill-advised hasty trim revision were taken during the 1962 model year. A continuous bright strip now was added that ran from the tops of the fender, along the belt line, ending at the rear. Exner would not approve. Oh, and the Sport Fury got a third taillight to better compete against the Impala.
Looking at his convertible, the influence of the 1960 Corvair, which was already out, is unmistakable at the rear. No wonder Exner couldn’t connect the two side fins; if he had, it would like a Corvair knock-off.
The new addition is also seen on this Fury coupe. Hiss.
In the maelstrom of change that was swirling around the industry in 1958-1960, Chrysler executives really were convinced that they were on the right track with these smaller cars. But as intelligence about the competition’s plans became available, their confidence soon eroded, even before they went on the market. So the 1963 program went through its own drastic changes, hastened by the ascendancy of Lynn Townsend to the President’s position in July 1961 after Colbert also had to leave under dark clouds. The original plan had been to just change the front ends, as in the upper row of these Plymouths mock-ups. But Townsend, who had never liked these cars, pushed hard to have the whole body to be worked over, substantially changing the roof line to more Ford-like one, and the rear end extended and squared off (lower row).
Here’s the original mock-ups for the ’63 Dodge.
The Dodge was even treated to a 3″ wheelbase stretch (in the rear), to 119″ , as part of the make-over. Not that any of it helped much; the ’63 Dodge B-Body still only sold some 183k units.
The Plymouth version did somewhat better yet, with a healthy jump to 263 k units. But in absolute numbers, these were still dwarfed by their competition. Chrysler Corp. did manage to post decent profits now, due to the drastic cost-cutting.
It’s important to note that these 1963 cars, along with all of the ’63 Chryslers, were done under Exner’s watch (with a firm boot in his rear by Lynn Townsend). And that they were finished and production-ready when Elwood Engel showed up after Townsend fired Exner in November of 1961. Engel is quoted as saying “These are good-looking cars. What’s the big deal?” The only known change to these cars were an extra trim piece to be added at the outside edge of the Dodge grille, but production problems nixed that in the end anyway. It showed that Exner was quite capable of doing conventional cars, when forced to.
These changes in 1963 didn’t come cheap either; another $27 million ($222 million adjusted) spent on retooling.
For 1964, the dullification of both brands continued under Engel’s watch, with new front ends that were essentially generic. The Exner “speedboat cowl” was replaced by a conventional windshield base, and the shallow Exner dash with instrument pod was ejected for what has to be one of the blandest dashboard ever.
And nobody ever looked twice at a ’64 Polara 500 convertible, like they had done in 1962. Townsend’s safe-but-boring strategy was working though, and enough families bought wagons and sedans to bring increasing stability to Chrysler, as would be the case for most of the rest of the decade, thanks largely to the B-Bodies.
For 1964, both brands also got a new hardtop roof. A bit of zest on an otherwise rather dull car. That is, in terms of its looks. We all know what they were capable of with the right engines in the right hands.
In 1965, Chrysler’s new large C-Bodies, the first to be designed fully under Engel’s direction, arrived. But it was largely for naught, as Plymouth and Dodge would never again be truly competitive in the full-sized sector; the last time that happened was in 1957. But this wasn’t just the fault of the downsized ’62s; it was already well in the works in the difficult years after 1957.
And somewhat ironically, the aged B-Body Dodge, now called Coronet in 1965 and marketed as an intermediate, outsold the new 1965 C-Body Dodge Polara/Custom/Monaco by a huge margin. I’m very familiar with it, as a ’65 Coronet wagon just like this one was the first car I ever drove, the Niedermeyer family truckster. Dishwater dull, outside and in, but a sturdy and competent family hauler.
And for the record, these B-Bodies were never truly mid-sized cars like the Fairlane or Chevelle, but considerably roomier and substantial, befitting their status as downsized full-size cars. Except for a bit of interior width, these cars never really felt less than full-size.
That especially applies to the wagons like ours, which were a full ten inches longer than the rest of the line. And which undoubtedly explains why they sold so well compared to the C-Bodies. But it certainly didn’t solve Chrysler’s problems in the segment.
Ironically, 1962 turned out to be the high-water year for the full-sized American car’s market share. The 1960 compacts, the 1962 Fairlane and 1964 Chevelle, the Mustang, the Thunderbird and its imitators, and just the ever-increasing fragmentation of the market came at the expense of the full-sized car. GM and Ford continued to do reasonably well in the segment for some more years, probably in part due to Chrysler’s weakness.
By the late 60s and early 70s, the mid-sized cars, especially the coupes, were on the ascendancy, and would soon regularly take the top-selling position, with the exception of the down-sized GM B-Bodies in 1977. And of course, they were the same size and format of the Chrysler B-Bodies in 1962.
The B-Body became Chrysler’s bread and butter for decades, and spawned several off-shoots, including the E-Body (Barracuda and Challenger) and the R-Body, which ironically finally played itself out in in 1981 in a desperate attempt to compete with GM’s B-Bodies. “Suddenly it’s…Too Late”.
Given the fact that Dodge and Plymouth never again fielded a truly successful full-sized car, and given that the market began moving away from them starting in 1962, and given the huge expansion of the mid-sized sector in the coming decades, the Great Blunder of 1962 looks much more like it was rather prescient, and brilliant in a number of ways.
The only real question is the execution, and that leaves us with a conundrum. If Exner had toned the styling down, like he did for 1963, Chrysler most likely would have had reasonably decent success with them from day one. But to think of a world without these exotic and compelling 1962’s is like imagining…a world without John Coltrane, Miles Davis, or Thelonius Monk. And that’s a much drearier world, at least for some of us.
Related CC reading:
Vintage Car Life Road Test: 1962 Dodge Dart 413 – The Max Wedge Legend Started Here
Automotive History: Who Killed the Big American Car?
Just a short, early morning comment:
That photo series showing the 3, full-sized 2 door hardtops demonstrates what was wrong (at least in my view) with the Chrysler cars. To my eyes, the Plymouth doesn’t look like a hardtop so much as it looks like a 2 door sedan with the “B” pillar removed. The pictures of the 4 door hardtops from Chrysler show them as true (4 door) hardtops.
Sure, the front and rear styling is….a bit unusual, but that is Chrysler being Chrysler.
C-body Plymouth sales averaged nearly 300,000 from 1965 to 1973. That’s a pretty strong comeback from the plucked chickens, esp with the same dealers selling over 200,000 C-body Chryslers at the same time. Plymouth C body sales took a catastrophic drop in 1974 and never came back.
Dodge dealers usually didn’t sell 200,000 C bodies after the plucked chickens.
I agree, C body Fury made a comeback, but was mortally wounded in ’74, leading to demise of Plymouth.
Never have I seen anyone attempt to put into words that funky, strange Chrysler starter sound. What courage!
Those are actually Jim Cavanugh’s words. In my rush, I forgot to credit him.
The “Highland Park Humming Bird” gear reduction Mopar starter is eternally ingrained in my brain as a fond reminder of the 1960’s and 1970’s automotive sounds; as well as the sounds of my childhood and early adult hood.
Other cars just seemed kinda-sorta dull and bland and blahhhhhh by comparison.
“Nagg Nagg Nagg Naggggggg ROOAARRRRRR!”
🙂
sounds like the W of the Worlds weapon:
https://youtu.be/pS1QapooZrM?t=91
I heard that from a late-model Cherokee the other day at Safeway. Hard to believe this is still unchanged.
Not only did Chrysler stick with it, other companies came around. Those starters worked. As in, you could take a battery out of a 260 Ford or 283 Chevy which would not start that car, and it would turn over a 318 or 361 Plymouth. They simply required less wattage to work.
The great engineering, the far superior handling, the way the Torqueflite responded instantly to the throttle, these things made Mopars so delightful. It’s a real shame they didn’t delight in other ways. Marketing at Chrysler was truly rudderless.
1963 was a prime example. The decision to produce the Dodge 880 was made well before the 1963 models entered production. Ford and Mercury already had cars of three distinct sizes in showrooms, available to the public by then. So why did Dodge enter 1963 with cars on wheelbases of 119″ and 122″, and Plymouth with no full-sized car at all? It would have been child’s play to give Dodge ranges on wheelbases of 122″, 116″ and 106″, for distinct full size, intermediate and compact cars. And that would have given Plymouth a 119″ wheelbase car, head-to-head with Ford and Chevy in a two and a half million unit a year market. All they had to do was put the Plymouth noses and emblems on the longer Polara body, and vice versa.
No more confusion about which Dodges were the senior models in ’63-’64. No more pics circulated to Chevy and Ford dealers trashing the Plymouths as too little car for the money. No more problems with Dodge not marketing anything in the new intermediate field, while Plymouth had a fine intermediate but didn’t dare say so, for fear of falling to Rambler status with no standard size product. Pure confusion reigned, but could have been avoided so easily.
Plymouth was Chrysler’s entry into the biggest car market in the world, yet the company insisted on treating it like a red-headed stepchild. It’s mind-boggling. It’s a terrible shame Chrysler didn’t merge with Studebaker-Packard in ’56, when they had the chance. Stude still had a fan base, and nobody would have called called Packards “Chryslers” like they did Imperials. Packard-Chrysler-Dodge-Studebaker was a lineup that could have reclaimed the number two position from Ford Motor Co., and done it with style.
My thoughts exactly! I spit beer through my nose when I read that.
Grew up with that sound! My neck of the woods, Mopar ruled! Had a ’62 Polara 500 2 door hardtop, black with red accent, LOVED IT!
Oh, and unlike lots of fans, I think Virgil Exner must have been part of the fabled MK-ULTRA tests the CIA did back in the day. I oddly enough, like the the original Valiant / Lancer, and the ’62 Dodge and Plymouth….uh-oh.. Maybe I was MK Ultra’d ..(snarf..snarf..)
I like the 62’s also and I’m pretty sure I’m not old enough to have gone through the MK Ultra process. 😉
I prefer the Plymouth which exudes tough coolness especially in street race form. Add in a max wedge and happy hunting. My father owned the Plymouth sport fury and said he especially enjoyed beating the 409 chevys.
The bugeyed Dodge with the odd rear fender crease is tougher to love, but it is unique.
Love it when you do a long-form piece like this, Paul.
Personally, I love a lot of Exner’s work around this time. But there’s always just one detail that really bothers me… In the case of the ’62 Plymouths, it’s that weird rear-side window treatment. Not a fan!
Quirky styling aside, these were very sensible. Alas, sensible doesn’t always sell. Those buying full-sizers clearly wanted their cars to look like full-sizers.
I’d seen the Super Sport model but I’d never seen any of those other studio pics. Wow!
Were those asymmetrical cars all really planned to be built that way? It was common practice at the time for each side of a clay model to be different so you could build one clay model to present two styling concepts. The XNR was clearly designed to be asymmetrical, but some of the black & white photos below it looks like they were split clays intended for the more popular side to later be mirrored to the other side.
Those are not split clays. Note the three headlights on one side, and how the styling details continue from one side to the other. Exner was obsessed with asymmetry at the time. It was the peak Googie era, so asymmetry was in the air, but it didn’t lend itself well to cars.
We humans see facial symmetry as a sign of good health and good genes.
Cars have faces of course, and we relate to them as a kind of second skin, so there’s no surprise that Exner’s asymmetrical experiments were doomed to fail.
Epic. Loved it. Not a fan of the shapes however.
PF Chrysler Torino…
Wow Don, I have never seen this one before. The car’s rear 1/3 has a little bit of the flavor of the Porsche 911 about it.
Thanks. Looks like the front end had quite a bit of influence on the 1953 Plymouth front end.
There was also another proposed DeSoto variant then Chrysler designer Don Kopka did,
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/1960s-chrysler-concept-cars1.htm A front end who’ll look like the 1963-64 Mercury. Ironically Kopka ended later working with Ford. Notice also its roofline and 6-windows design who seem to predict the short-lived 6-windows 4-door sedan 1965 Dodge Custom 880 and 1965-66 Chrysler Newport.
Wow, what a dive! This is Curbie material for sure. Having taken a few shallower dives into this pool, I will testify that you have worked some miracles in finding some of tbese photos.
Thanks for shedding some light on this tumultuous period at Chrysler.
I never knew that the wagon was that much longer than the sedans. This would indicate to me that Chrysler intended to use that wagon body for the new larger Chrysler that was originally planned. That was a longtime Chrysler quirk in wagons, no doubt due to their low volume, which made the wagons a little too big for Plymouths and a little undersized for Chryslers. I was also unaware of the wheelbase stretch for the 63 Dodge.
The only question left unanswered is the source of the Newberg cocktail party story.
Wouldn’t have worked. The originally planned big cars were of course essentially C-Bodies, and were substantially wider. The ’62 Plymouth and Dodge wagons just had a 10″ longer rear overhang, to make room for a third seat. The sedans and coupes had a pretty short trunk, for that “Forward Flair” look. The wagon didn’t.
I didn’t get into it in more detail, but the wagon was quite roomy in back, and I doubt it was any shorter than the Chevy or Ford, except a hair narrower.
That makes sense. I jumped to the conclusion that the stretch was within the wheelbase instead of behind it. Those wagon versions of the 62 Dodge and Plymouth were rare, rare, rare. I don’t ever recall seeing one as an adult.
They were fairly rare in my time too. One more detail: the ’63-64 Dodge wagon didn’t get the wheelbase stretch that the sedans did, because that would have required completely retooling the whole wagon body. In that way, it’s like the Comet wagon, which shared its body with the Falcon, and had the shorter Falcon wheelbase instead of the sedan’s wheelbase stretch.
And of course in ’65 the Coronet sedans went back to the 116″ wb across the board, and in the process more closely shared it body rear section with the Belvedere.
It’s funny that of all the cars in those studio shots, the 63 Chrysler came out looking almost unadulterated from the Imperial clay.
I’ve always thought the 63 Chrysler one of the most under appreciated designs of the 60s [the 64 just messed with the hash and ruined it for me].
The 63 Plymouth is the same way: just perfect. Until 64 and the “facelift”.
Wonderful piece with lots of detail, Paul. Many thanks.
A closer look will show that it’s actually quite a bit adulterated. The various styling elements are there, but the body, with its originally-planned curved side windows flush with the doors, is really quite different. The actual ’63 Chrysler was just an effective re-style of the old ’57 body (note the ’57 windshield) with these new elements grafted on. It was the best they could do once the S-Series program was cancelled.
Great piece!
I, too, have always been skeptical of the explanation that “the 1962s were downsized due to an overheard cocktail party comment.”
Albeit not to the same degree, Chevy and Ford also downsized their full-sized cars for ‘62. The studio shots from early ‘59 provide evidence that there was some work being done to reel things in a bit, and magazines of the era often refer to issues with the size of what were then called “standard size” cars.
Another epic PN piece – fantastic documentary. Amazing how the yin and yang tug-of-war between engineering vs. design (styling) plays out here, but also in so many other industries. The challenge of selling to different value segments also runs strong through this story, and of course, Plymouth is now gone…
One nit – you’re using the term “two box” perpendicularly to how stylists use it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_automotive_design
I’m quite aware of that. Which is why I defined my term, in considerable detail.
“Three-box” simply doesn’t work for me, since it assumes that the middle box (from roof to sill) will meet up with the front and rear boxes. That’s simply not the case, back then. The greenhouses on cars during this time were considerably narrower than the base of the car.
How about “two box sedan/coupe”? Is that better?
“Stacked” boxes?…I did have the same thought that Ed did but figured it out quickly once you defined it. Your thought makes sense.
The irony for me is before I delved into the intricacies of automotive styling, I actually thought of two box exactly the way Paul describes it, I think it’s the more intuitive description. In fact I actually first thought of three box as a wagon – as if the rear section was the third box ala pickup toppers – totally contrary to the defined version of it
Quite often Paul and I are in agreement with our opinion of various cars. We are in complete, total agreement on the ’62 Plymouth!
The few respondents here who actually recall what I post might remember that I am still a Big Booster of the 1962 Plymouth body, interior and drivetrain.
The same year Chevy and Ford looks dull and uninspiring to me when compared to a ’62 Plymouth Savoy/Belevedere/Fury!
Neither Ford nor Chevy could match a Mopar for engine, transmission & suspension excellence in this time period. The Ford resembled a melted blob of butter to me, the Chevy became increasingly dull and boxier after their styling triumph of the ’61 “Bubble top” Impala.
Plymouth was usually acknowledged as the best “Road Car” of the Big three during this time period. Those who logged a lot of traveling miles, either for pleasure or business, often chose a Mopar.
I have always wanted to add a ’62 Plymouth 2 door coupe/hardtop to my driveway. Such an interesting design! I could walk around and around it, mentally picking out styling details missing on a Ford or Chevy.
I still consider the dashboard of a ’62 Plymouth, with it’s large, round, legible speedometer, small secondary gauges (Good Luck finding those on a Ford or Chevy!), asymmetrical push buttons on either side of the instrument panel for Mopar’s “Reference Standard” TorqueFlite automatic one one side and HVAC on the other side all please my anal-retentive, detail orientated mind.
I’d option “mine” as: The 2 door hardtop or thin post sedan Belevedere or Fury body, 318 or 361 “Golden Commando” engine (or perhaps Paul’s choice, the very late in the model year 383 V8 engine), push button, 3 speed (Take THAT, Chevy!) TorqueFlite automatic (still the industry’s “Reference Standard”, don’t cha know!), power steering, in dash factory air conditioning, front bench seat with fold down arm rest, 3.23 rear axle ratio, AM/FM radio (if available; if not off to Western Auto) with rear speaker fader, red or blue interior color.
My only quibble in this truly excellent piece is the statement that Chrysler couldn’t afford truly “new” cars in 1960. I don’t doubt that costs were saved by using as much existing hardware underneath (like the excellent front and rear suspension systems that were quite recently designed) and that the dimensions were extremely similar.
However, I continue to doubt that any significant stampings or panels carried over from the 57-59 cars to the 60-62s. The inner cowl structure was totally different as was the shape of the inner doors. The attached picture is of Plymouths, but the two generations of the Chrysler/DeSoto body were different in the same ways.
Also, a look at the front vent window on your picture of the two red 300s shows that even that was different. The older car’s A pillar slants back until near the top, where it actually reverses back towards the front of the car. The newer version also has the kink near the top but the change in angle is not nearly so severe. The cars are maddeningly full of examples of this kind of thing – so similar to the old design but still different.
An interesting question would be whether the cars were so similar in shape in order to use as many existing assembly fixtures as possible as a way of containing costs. Or was it simply a case of the styling being (too) evolutionary as the natural progression of the Forward Look. The result, of course, made the casual observer (and even the not-so-casual one as commonly found reading this) wonder if the car was really new or just a heavy facelift.
I continue to maintain that the 60 Chrysler and DeSoto used completely new bodies, but new bodies that were styled and designed and built in such a way as to disguise the newness as much as possible. As rapidly as styling was changing in those years, this almost slavish devotion to the details of the prior generation is really strange.
A look at the two generation of station wagons is also instructive. If Chrysler spent the kind of money necessary to revamp the 60 wagon, it is hard to imagine that the higher volume bodies got less of a revamp.
This is an issue that will probably never be perfectly resolved, at least to mys satisfaction, in part because it involves the semantics of the word “new”, which i the case here, can be debated endlessly.
You have some very compelling points. But I simply can’t accept that the many great similarities were the result of a very deliberate effort to make the ’60s look as much as possible as the ’57-’59s.
A three year cycle for “new” cars had become the industry norm, although during this turbulent period, that was not always adhered to. The logic of making a “new” car look very much like its predecessor is beyond me. It’s in the same vein as the garden party story fully explaining the downsized ’62s. There simply has to be more to it.
A truly “new” car means that the designers/planners/engineers start with a clean sheet. They set parameters for certain aspects of the program, but otherwise, there’s no continuity from the previous car, except of course for certain driveline components, etc. The 1955 Chrysler cars were not really “new” as they sat on the frames of their predecessors. which locked them into certain proportions and dimensions.
The ’57s were truly “new”. No debate there. As were these ’62s. But here’s how I imagine/deduce the process for the ’60s: the decision was made )by the engineers, of course) to move to unibodies. But rather than start from scratch, the started with the ’57-’59 bodies, and made changes to it to make it a unibody. In the process, many (perhaps all) the actual body pressings were new, but the dimensions and proportions were essentially all the same. It was a conversion process, rather than a clean-sheet start. And I see that as something different than truly all “new”.
It’s simply not a coincidence that wheelbases stayed the same. Or other key dimensions.
It might be hard to find, but this issue came up here in the comments once before, and someone chimed in claiming they had hard evidence/direct knowledge that this is how it went down: things kept being changed on the old body as needed to convert it to unibody, but he claimed that there were some body parts that carried over.
No doubt the cowl had to be all new, as that is the most important/complex part of a unibody, as it is the key structural member, both horizontally and longitudinally, and has to support the forces from the front of the cars and spread them to the rest of the body.
We may never know the exact details, but in my eyes, these aren’t quite fully “new”. And certainly in the eyes of the public. And why would Chrysler want to make them look so much like the predecessors, when they were severely tainted?
Chrysler had every reason to want to build truly new 1960 cars, to shed the image problems of the previous ones as well as update the styling aspects. But I believe that would have been too expensive. The cost of converting the existing body was undoubtedly cheaper than making an all-new one. And at the time, Chrysler was in a sever financial bind. They made do with what they had to work with.
All good points, and I have no argument that the two generations were eerily similar in many ways. I note in the specs (automobilecatalog.com) show the 60 New Yorker sedan as 1.9 inches lower than the 59 version. There is also a .1 inch difference in width, but that is too small of a difference to mean anything. I acknowledge that the lower height could be chalked up to the loss of the separate frame. I also checked the website of a classic glass supplier and note that they use different part numbers for 57-59 windshields and those from 60-64 (Imperials excepted, of course).
Keeping the same wheelbase and track would be expected. Ford and Chevrolet both kept their 119 inch wheelbase through at least two different designs.
My only personal experience was in owning a 59 Plymouth around the same time that a friend had a 63 Chrysler. I just know that those cars felt different in almost every way. It was evident to me that they were two different designs from the same company, one older and one newer. I would be interested to see if Pete Madsden chimes in here as he has quite a few years of ownership experience of both generations of those cars. I have just never heard of any major body parts exchanging between the two generations.
Where you think that the old car served as the basis for the new car, I suspect that the similarities were in the innate rightness of the older car’s dimensions as well as to keep the manufacturing process as unchanged as possible with a new design. One of us is probably right. 🙂
My final thought: in house building terms, there’s the remodel that ends up changing everything but the footprint. And there’s building a new design from the ground up.
As to the Chevy’s 119″ wb: that’s because they kept the same frame from ’59 to ’64.
Have to agree with J P here. I always thought the 1960 Plymouth/Dodge/Chryslers were “all-new” cars. Every body style, including wagons, had new styling. The unit-body construction was a complete departure and I don’t think there is one sheet metal panel that is interchangeable. The Plymouth looked like it hadn’t changed much since 1957 but that was a styling problem (all people could see were the fins). The ’61, on the other hand, looked newer than it really was.
The 55 Plymouth was, IMO, also an “all-new” design, unlike the Ford, which was a major revamp of the 54 model.
I have a slightly different take which comes from a plastics engineer I worked with years ago. His point was that material switches tend to result in familiar designs that echo the previous material, and it takes time for designers to really work with the new material’s properties – for example the first iron bridges were round arches that echoed their stone predecessors.
I suspect the engineering needs around the unibody switch led to the continuation of familiar themes, which probably meshed with Exner’s commitment to his ’57 design language – the real silliness didn’t appear until 1961, when both Plymouth and Dodge lost their fins (and Dodge gained a proto-chicken wing) while Chrysler went to its unfortunate cantilevered headlights, and Imperial went wherever it was going.
The 1961 Imperial is a real puzzler, btw. There was a significant reskin for 1960 that borrowed a lot of D’Elegance cues, only to be extensively re-skinned for ’61, while an entirely new model was planned for ’62. Given the enlightenment on the timeline here, I wonder if the ’61 was a relatively late development once the new ’62 Chrysler and Imperial were put on hold – keeping some of the ideas being considered like the grill and individual headlamps, with the fin being a final fling of the Forward Look.
Fantastic piece Paul. The design faux pas committed in the late 50s and early sixties took year for Chrysler to recover from. Perhaps the fuselage look cars were the first to stylisticially get something to the market more eye appealing. One problem after another then plagued the company- notably quality issues in the mid and late 70s. Lee Iacocca saved the day for them in the 80s for a time.
Today when you drive by a dealer selling Chrysler cars, the sign does not say ‘Chrysler’, it says Ram Dodge Jeep Chrysler in some random order. I might be forgetting a brand or two, never mind if they sell Fiat also. I don’t see a company identity through their brands at all, and it makes me think that the next maneuver will be to sell off a major brand when the next crisis hits. Jeep or Ram would make attractive acquisition targets, and would bring much value, leaving not much else in the cupboard.
Chrysler-Dodge won’t survive without RAM or Jeep. I don’t see anything affordable for the small family in their line up. No Dart or compact in the lineup. Nothing under $21,195 (yes, I know there are discounts to be had, but still…)
Geez, I thought the Viper was long gone. I still kind consider myself in the market for a Challenger but between the price for the model I want and their recent douche chilling “brotherhood of muscle” ad campaign as of late has me really reconsidering that desire.
I agree, it would be incredibly boneheaded to offload Jeep and Ram. Dodge does at least have their “muscle” image keeping the brand in the social conscience, but Chrysler has what? The now pretty much irrelevant 300 and the Pacifica minivan? I mean if they get rid of Jeep and Ram, what’s the direction from there to revitalize Chrysler-Dodge? The risk/reward of that action seems grim in the long run, even worse than the current state of affairs there IMO
Yet, given the way cars are being stomped in the market by crossovers, it’s starting to look like a bit of forward thinking on the part of FCA to drop the Dart and 200, and pretty much get out of the car business. Right now, everything in the way of a mid-sized sedan is tanking (other than Camry and Accord, which are only off in sales), so it would have been a money loser for FCA to continue with those two models.
Hey I don’t disagree, but the point is without Jeep fronting competitive entrys in that segment they’d be truly screwed. The Journey and Durango is all they’d have.
Not just Chrysler-Dodge, all of FCA corporate is living off Jeep/Ram profits. That’s why they seem to get the lion’s share of what development money’s been left over after the resources that have been poured into reviving Alfa and Maserati.
FCA definitely is putting its money behind Ram and Jeep, and the decision to decouple Ram from Dodge was no accident. Apparently the latest thinking is that Chrysler is the ‘mainstream’ brand which will focus on minivans, crossovers and some sedans, while Dodge is the “performance” brand. The problem, as noted, is real weakness in the model lineup for both Chrysler and Dodge.
A final thought (there are so many threads here today). That upswept rear fender crease in the 62 Dodge is fascinating. I wonder if it is coincidence that Studebaker used the same trick in restyling the rear end of the 62 Lark. PN has hit before on the liason between Exner Jr. at Studebaker and Exner Sr. at Chrysler, so I wonder if this is another example of Studebaker getting a sneak peak at a new styling trend at Chrysler.
That fender treatment (which I have never liked, btw) reminds me a lot of some of the early speedsters and runabouts which used a similarly upswept rear fender. Knowing Exner Sr.’s fondness for classic themes, I wonder if cars like this was the inspiration.
Good point, J. P. !
I never thought of this one; but it certainly does mesh together well.
Probably as much of a coincidence as the ’59 Lark having the same grille shape as the ’60 Valiant.
Instead of saying Studebaker copied Dodge, which would be difficult as both adopted the same them for 1962, it would be more correct to say Studebaker and Dodge copied the 1960 Valiant.
I don’t believe Exner, Jr. stayed long at Studebaker after the Lark was done (1957).
Concerning styling rumors and cocktail party patter:
I’ve read, from several automotive sources: When the 1957 “Forward Look” Mopars were unveiled, several GM stylists underlings were staring thru the chain link fences at various railroad freight car yards, all agog and worried about their future.
Another one: At a conference meeting of the various GM styling assistants and their supervisors, William Mitchell, GM’s styling head honcho, strode into the meeting, tossed a handful of various Mopar brochures on the table, and bitterly snarled at his staff: “Why don’t you guys just quit!” and stormed out of the room.
William Mitchell was not head of GM styling in 1956, when the 1957 models came out. Harley Earl was. And Earl was on a trip to Europe when the stylists found about what Chrysler was doing.
The GM stylists started working on completely new styling for 1959. Earl wanted a continuation of the 1950 bodies and to rework them for a 3rd time (1954, 1957 and 1959). GM management liked what they saw and Earl had to accept the new direction,.
Harley Earl retired in 1958.
Yes, the “Just Quit” comment does sound more like the temperamental Harley Earl.
My folks had a ’62 Dart in white. I don’t remember much else about it being about 5 or 6 at the time, but we were broadsided by another car when I was sitting in the front seat and I wasn’t injured. I saw the other car crest over a hill and I barely had time to flinch. I wasn’t wearing a seat belt (it was 1969 and only weaklings used those apparently – they also let me lie on the package shelf behind the back seat and look up at the stars on trips) but the car protected me. My folks must have been impressed because their next purchase was a fuselage style 1970 Fury 4 door in that metallic gold color (yellow gold?) that they kept for most of the 70s.
WOW!!! What a great and informative read. Thank you.
Wonderful article, putting together a lot of disparate elements that I’d seen and read over the decades, in different places, but once you organize everything into a coherent narrative it all starts to make sense.
Call me odd, but I always loved the 62 Plymouths, especially the two door hardtops. The Dodge’s not quite as much, but that was more due to the trim gew-gaws put on the upper models of the car than the front end. No, it wasn’t as attractive as the Plymouth, but I still rather liked it.
The ’62 Chevys were boring to me, although that’s not something that was ever said aloud at the Paczolt residence. And dad was definitely feeling very good at the end of that model year.
If anything, the ’62 Plymouths and Dodges have aged better as time has passed. As to the buying public’s disdain for the cars, well, there’s always that Mencken quote . . .
Thanks, Paul, for the epic read on an especially turbulent period in the history of a large U.S. corporation. That the 1962 Dodge and Plymouth lineup was the imperfect outcome of the long-simmering tensions between the engineers and stylists is entirely understandable to those who are veterans of any large corporate bureaucracy.
There’s a still-relevant business school case study in all of this: poor and/or distracted top management enables some of the worst excesses, inconsistent execution and ultimately, loss of customer credibility and market share.
That said, the sheer amount of technical and stylistic innovation that Chrysler brought to the market is impressive, especially in light of the overwhelming strength of GM, then close to its peak. On both counts, Chrysler’s strengths contrasted directly with the marketing prowess and steady execution of the far more conservative Ford of the early 1960s.
Chrysler had the long hood, short deck before the rest.
Great write-up. In my opinion, the best production car Exner ever styled was the 1956 Imperial, followed by the 1957 Chrysler.
Great piece, Paul!
Purely personal opinion: In gray, with the right tires and wheels, I kinda like the ’62 Plymouth. Not much could save the Dodge, though.
Absolutely awesome stuff, Paul. Love the debunking of the oft-repeated ” Chrysler CEO eavesdrops on Ed Cole, screws Mopar up” yarn. And conveniently, it was all the fault of the guy who only stayed as CEO for 2 months…
Even with a “normal” size, the ’62 Dodge would have been one of the ugliest cars of the decade. Exner lost the plot after his cardiac episode. He became obsessed with weird details like asymmetric features, side fins and curved glass to the detriment of the whole. The ’62 Imperial he was planning was brutal, as was the Chrysler. The DeSoto was better, but the marque was already a zombie by 1959.
Maybe Chrysler should have had Ghia act as their designer when Exner went loco. Or they could have gotten Tremulis or Stevens in as consultants. Ultimately, the buck stops at the CEO’s door (ie Colbert). Firing Exner in ’61 was unjust and too late. Blame Tex.
I wonder what could had happened if Exner hadn’t survived to his cardiac attack in 1956? What Chrysler could had done?
The already had hired Bill Schmidt to oversee the studios while Ex was gone. When Ex returned, the two got into an epic power struggle. If Ex hadn’t returned, Schmidt would undoubtedly have taken his place on-going.
What an epic piece Paul! There’s no way I can read it all until after work today. As the ’62 Plymouth is one of my favorites, I’m sure I’ll have much to say.
One observation which I’ll back up with stats when I get a chance: the compact 1949 Plymouth P17 has very nearly the same height, length and width as today’s most popular compact crossover, Toyota’s RAV4. Suddenly it’s 1949!
’49 Plymouth P17 Suburban two door wagon/’17 Toyota RAV4 LE 2wd;
L-185.6/183.5
W- 72/72.6
H- 64.7/65.9 (not counting roof rails)
WB – 111/104.7 (surprise here!)
Weight 3105/3455 lbs.
Plymouth dimensions from http://www.classiccardatabase.com/postwar-models/Plymouth.php; Toyota dimensions from Toyota.com.
Thanks for digging up the specs! I’d seen them but hadn’t documented them. I just learned the RAV4 is the top selling vehicle in the US that’s not a pickup truck, #4 in sales overall.
The extra height of the ’49 Plymouth vs Ford and Chevy brings it into today’s crossover territory. Just as people now like to sit up high, Plymouth promoted its perch: “The famous chair-height seats are now even wider. There’s plenty of room for long legs and high hats.”
Proportions that were “boxy, tall, short” in 1949 are in demand in 2017. Who’d have predicted that?
This “downsized” ’62 Plymouth Fury has nearly the same dimensions as today’s biggest Buick car.
1962 Fury / 2017 LaCrosse
L: 202″ / 198″
W: 75″ / 74″
H: 56″ / 58″
WB: 116″ / 114″
Extremely entertaining and informative myth busting article!
Great article! Maybe some were using short termer Newburg as a scapegoat for the low sales? It is hard to believe the cars were whipped up overnight as stories say. Cost cutting makes more sense as the reason.
But, the ’62 Chevy and Ford were hardly “big boats” like 1974-76 versions. They hit the sweet spot of the market.
But also, amazing that the 1975 Cordoba is a ’62 Fury/Dart underneath.
There is an overload of terrific stuff here.
The whole claim of overhearing something at a garden party has always sounded a bit bizarre. It was a joy to read this and see that urban legend unravel to reveal the downsizing wasn’t the result of some social event.
The ’62 Plymouth and Dodge does a good job of mimicking the intentions of the ’53 Plymouth and Dodge – not quite as big outside but equally roomy inside. Had Chrysler did this again ten years later, the 1970s may have turned out much differently for them.
Of the ’62 to ’64 models, the ’63 Plymouth is easily the best looking of the bunch to these eyes.
Ironically, the colossal failure of the 1962 models meant that Chrysler executives in the early 1970s would never have taken the lead in downsizing the corporation’s big cars. But then, even Ford had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the downsizing party.
Agree, lots of great myth-busting in this wonderful piece, Paul. I would say there is one way to look at the “garden party” story that makes more sense against the timelines outlined here. It hinges on if what Cole supposedly said was they were coming out with a smaller Chevrolet, not a compact Chevrolet.
The latter makes no sense – it was widely known at the time that Chevy was developing a compact. But the former has a grain of truth in it, because the ’61 B bodies were (modestly) trimmed compared to the ’59s and ’60s. Is that what Cole may have been talking about, and Newberg mis- or over-interpreted?
One thing this piece really clarified for me was just how different these cars were to the competition in profile due to the upright shape of the greenhouse and the stubby rear ends. Not at all unlike the ’49-’54 Plymouths and a strong argument for Paul’s contention that engineering drove the packaging in a more deliberate way.
Chrysler had a strong practical streak, and the bigger cars coming out of Detroit from ’57 on weren’t just seen as overkill, they were literally impractical for a lot of owners. They were too long and wide to fit in many existing garages, and one thing you will see in older houses with integral garages is an obvious addition to fit these monsters.
They were problems for dealers, too. Our dealership was a 4-story building built in 1917 to sell Model Ts. The elevator was big enough to handle standard wheelbase Lincolns and later Chryslers through ’56, but when the ’57s came out, the only way to get Windsors upstairs to the service bays was by removing the bumpers! Saratogas, New Yorkers, and Imperials could only be serviced at another facility we had across the street with a ramp to the second floor.
In this era of the 1960s, I preferred PONTIAC styling above all others.
When I first found CC I brought a couple of Myths (both illogical fantasies) with me from other publications: this garden party story and the one that alleged the Chevrolet Caprice was created to fulfill the luxury car desires of Chevrolet Division bigwigs who were forbidden to drive anything outside of their own division at GM. Paul has nicely dealt with these myths (and others) over the years in a number of articles. This deeply researched one is a masterpiece in its analysis and writing.
I really like (and liked) these downsized cars, especially the 62 Plymouth. The ice blue convertible pictured above is my favorite (though the suspension appears to be non-stock and the whitewalls not quite period correct in width) – what a beauty. A school classmate’s mother had a new 62 Fury and I remember thinking at age 12 that it was quite revolutionary in appearance, comfortable inside despite the reduced size, and certainly a vast improvement over the hideous 61 model.
Cars are once again on the growth path – a friend just bought a new Honda CRV because it is about the same size as his now ancient Honda Pilot (whereas the new Pilot is huge by comparison to his older model). At some point there will be yet another call for downsizing as history repeats.
You remind me of the first time I closely examined one of these. I was maybe 12 and around 1971 a well-worn example was the daily driver of the older brother of a girl a friend of mine was interested in. We walked over to her house one day. My friend went up to see the girl and all I could do was circle that stupid old Plymouth parked at the curb. I (raised on a steady diet of “normal” GM and Ford cars) wondered how anyone could have produced anything this weird. Even the Studebaker Lark another friend’s mom drove everyday seemed kind of normal. The Plymouth was offputing to me on so many levels.
As time has gone on, I have started to warm to these. It has graduated to one of those designs that is fascinating, though not attractive. For this reason I almost prefer the Dodge, because it is even more fascinating and even less attractive. 🙂
It is difficult to reproduce the image they projected when brand new – really radical looking. Interesting to read you experienced that same reaction (well, you saw weird and I saw handsome) nearly a decade later. The widely spaced headlights, long hood, short deck, and smaller size – wow. I liked the asymmetry of the dash (IMHO the hood needed an asymmetrical trim piece such as on the 1963 Avanti). This was the only 62 Plymouth in our small town and I always enjoyed seeing it parked around town. The more conventional styling touches on the 63 made it more popular in our area, and the next gen 65 sold like hotcakes by comparison.
During the early 1970s, one of our neighbors owned a white 1962 Dodge Dart station wagon as their “old” car. I remember thinking how odd it looked.
Another neighbor had a cleaning lady that visited once a week. She drove a 1962 Chrysler New Yorker hardtop sedan (pale purple metallic with a white roof). With its canted headlights and the “AstraDome” instrument panel, that car, along with the 1962 Dart, really cemented the notion that old Chrysler Corporation cars were definitely “different.”
Very interesting piece about stuff I did not have much knowledge of. I assure you that the appearance of the ’63 Belvedere for sale in yesterday’s post was purely coincidental, I had no idea that was on tap! Sort of an advance CC effect I guess.
I’ve seen that large Ghia in person (Blackhawk Motor Museum in Danville I think) after seeing pictures of it before, in person it very much resembles VW Karmann Ghia with a front grille, all at 150% size.
I never had much of an appreciation of the Valiant prior to this, the abundance of pictures along with the explanations really opened it up for me, to the point of actually liking it where before it left me cold.
Thanks, for this piece. I’ve been interested in the 62 Dodge and Plymouth ever since I was 9 yrs old and really noticed them in the movie, “It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World” when my dream was to become an auto stylist (designer) as they called back then. Also my older brother was a MOPAR fan. As a teen and into my college years I drew notebooks full car designs and often would update their design to a more modern version. If I was as rich as a Jay Leno, I’d buy one and customize it as a more modern design.
I’ve always thought as your article implies that both the Dodge and Plymouth were at least 12 years before their time and would have been big sellers if brought out in 1974 just after the 73 OPEC oil embargo.
I never made it as a auto designer. Grew up in New Orleans and became a Landscape Architect. Still a car guy!
Thanks, again for a great article. Would like to save a PDF. copy of it to my computer.
The Dodge front end is pretty out there but I think the Plymouth could have sold better if mildly softened especially around the side creases.
Fantastic article by the way. Shed a lot of light on vehicles I have always considered curiously odd looking.
+1 on the article, but I love the 62 Plymouth as is… Glorious!
Or the single light version that almost looks conventional and generic.
Compelling and fascinating, from start to finish. I’m bookmarking this one. Nice work, Paul.
+1 to that succinct recommendation. Terrific feature.
Excellent sleuthing, Mr Niedermeyer!
No unverified claims will be taken at face value after reading this. And that white Polara 500 convertible has me looking at the 62 Dodge in a new light…
“the Chrysler double-reduction-gear starter with its classic Na rayre neeer neeer neeer sound.” Also known as the Highland Park hummingbird.
Really nice article!
My grandfather had a ’62 Plymouth Savoy coupe, black – he wouldn’t have any “rainbow” colors, with red upholstery, slant six and that’s about it. He was a devoted Desoto man and I gather a bit bummed when he found out that Desoto closed shop in ’61. He drove the Plymouth up until about 1970. At that point he had turned 81 and my mother finally convinced him to give up driving.
What a great story that puts into perspective one of the most persistent tales of the postwar era.
Perhaps Newberg and his alleged motivation became the convenient scapegoat after the failure of these cars became evident. Exner was on the record as opposing the downsizing effort from the beginning. Townsend was not in charge during their gestation, and he took charge well after it was too late to stop them.
Newberg had been fired after it was found that he owned shares in some Chrysler suppliers. The entire corporation had been rocked by a payola scandal in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Supposedly several executives – including Newberg – had interests in outside suppliers.
Not only was the corporation therefore purchasing components at an inflated cost, but quality standards were also lax. The failure rate on various components was high, even for that era. This was on top of the inherent body integrity, rust and leak problems of the 1957-59 cars.
This all came to a head at a stockholder meeting, when a group of shareholders tried to force the corporation into receivership. It essentially ended the careers of both Newberg and Colbert at Chrysler. With Newberg gone – and his name already disgraced – it probably made sense to blame him for the failure of the 1962 Dodges and Plymouths. The “garden party story” most likely took on a life of its own.
As for the company’s labor costs – I wonder how much of this was related to Chrysler’s purchase of the Briggs Body Company in 1953. Chrysler initially absorbed all of Brigg’s facilities and workers. The corporation did endure a long strike (over 100 days) in 1950, but essentially caved to the union, from what I’ve read.
The magnitude of these cars’ failure was enough to drag the corporation’s market share slightly to below 10 percent for 1962. As the article notes, sales of the full-size Dodge and Plymouth paled in comparison to their Ford and GM counterparts (except for Mercury) after 1962.
A few months ago, Collectible Automobile featured a retrospective on the 1969 model year, and noted that Chrysler was first in compact sales, and second in intermediate sales (primarily because of the Plymouth Road Runner). Where it lagged was in sales of full-size cars and luxury cars. Chrysler may have been somewhat ahead of its time with the emphasis on compacts and intermediates, but full-size and luxury cars produced the big profits during that era.
Geeber, your theory about the ‘garden party’ story is well supported by Paul’s astonishing compilation of facts and dates. In any case, hanging the failure on Newberg’s head has the ring of truth.
I meant to put in the stats on market share. But because costs had been reduced so much, Chrysler showed a profit in 1962, and profits quickly went up in the coming years. 1962 was not as severe a financial crisis for Chrysler as 1958-1959 had been.
And as I said in the article, Chrysler’s weak showing in the full size sector started in 1958, and got much worse in 1961. 1962 was not that out of line by that time. They never again had a really good year in the full size segment after 1957.
Man, is this a captivating read. I know we bicker on certain automotive subjects, Paul, but damned if I don’t admire your writing, knowledge, realistic speculation and perspective. My take away from this is this fact based exploration of the events that led to the 62s is actually far more interesting than the fairy tale explanation.
I have nothing to add besides saying the fairy tale story of 62s is something I never questioned and pretty much accepted it as truth, a willful ignorance since it’s a fun story. I think much of the story is a mix of credible egos conflating half truths, and enthusiasts parroting, misinterpreting and diluting them through the usual enthusiast echo chambers.
In academia we call a big comprehensive essay like this really “rich,” and today’s post truly is, Paul. I have no idea how long you’ve been piecing this all together, but it’s really substantive, and a pleasure to read–and totally bookmark-worthy. Thanks for sharing the fruits of your labor.
FWIW, another clay (I’m presuming 1-54 = Jan. 1954):
Some more 1956/Exner photos in this issue of the trade journal “Printer’s Ink,” if of interest (to Paul or anyone else):
https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/366585/
This history is so thorough, and yet so open-ended, I don’t really know what to say. It will take some time to absorb the whole thing.
I do like the idea of these cars, but have no experience with them. There are interesting paradoxes as well: by building a smaller unit-body car, with a good 3-speed torque converter automatic, MoPar was substantially ahead of their competition. But it didn’t sell these cars. Even worse, even though these cars came out during the period in which US automakers’ engineering really started to freeze in place (1960-64 until, perhaps, GM’s FWD X-car program) the fact that they were, as PN says, “from 1977” didn’t help MoPar out when 1977 came.
Well, Paul, you kept me going through the whole piece. And these are mostly cars I could care less about. Fascinating, from the automotive history perspective!
Kudos to your writing and research!
I remember Paul discussing some of this back at the Auburn meet up. Well worth the wait for the whole story.
Personally I think the Valiant and the early B bodies are attractive on their own, but are so very different than the competition. Unfortunately in the American auto market, “different” occasionally gets you a huge success, but mostly fails miserably.
Thank you for a remarkably complete and informative article. (I can hardly wait for the book!) The side-to-side comparison of the 62 Chevrolet, Ford and Plymouth is instructive. The Plymouth seems like the only one with a true style. It is unfortunate that it was accompanied by various strange designs (obscene 1961 Plymouth and various odd Dodges). The subsequent return to convention in the mid-60s completed the cycle back to the dullness of a decade before.
Did the engineers insist on a shorter hood for more passenger/cargo space in the ’62-up Valiant or is that an optical illusion caused by hoods getting *so* much longer across the industry post-Mustang? I ask because I’ve long wondered if part of the reason why the A-bodies were so popular for so long was that layout; they inherited the “closest thing to a new 1955” mantle once the midsizes got huge and bloaty in 1971-73.
The tension between style and rationality within Chrysler came to another head with the L-Body program; one faction within the company wanted an Americanized version of the Golf-like family prime mover being developed as a replacement for the Simca 1204, another wanted a sporty coupelike small car along Pinto/Vega lines but with FWD.
Their solution – build both cars and push the coupe a bit upmarket following the Mustang II/Chevy Monza lead – was an expensive one at a time the company couldn’t afford it, but it did lead to two successful and long-lived models. But the less overtly stylish 4-door Omni/Horizon outlasted the coupes…
The compact market was mostly semi sporty coupes in the early 70s. If we count the Gremlin as a Hornet coupe, all four low priced compact brands were 3:1 or 4:1 in favor of 2 doors. At the same time, pony car sales collapsed. Those customers were mostly switching to subcompacts and 2 door compact coupes.
So, the cocktail party story was a fairy tale, concocted to blame the unfortunate Newberg for the very expensive, last minute downsizing. It makes sense, since the ‘real’ reason was likely nothing more than bald-faced panic by Colbert (and anyone else in the Chrysler executive suite) at the prospect of the original 1962 full-size Mopars nose-diving as badly as the previous two years.
Many ironies on this one. For starters, it’s unlikely that the original, updated-from-1961 cars wouldn’t have sold any worse than the completely revised downsized versions, and Chrysler would have saved all the money of the eleventh hour revisions. Even so, there’s an old auto industry adage that states ‘timing is everything’. Chrysler’s 1962 downsizing wasn’t really a bad idea; it was just very poorly executed in a rush and done about a decade too soon.
And then there’s poor old Exner. The nicely cleaned-up 1963 Valiant was nearly all Exner, with Engel’s contribution being limited to the addition of the stubby little finlets (another irony, considering how Exner, the kind of the Forward Look, had completely abandoned fins by then).
Paul, this might be Peak CC here. Such a great job and so well researched.
I was also an acolyte of St Mark of Excellence as a kid and didn’t pay much mind to Mopars but this was pretty amazing.
Paul, you are quite the automotive historian, and you have again delivered us a comprehensive detailed integrated history in the tradition of the Automobile Quarterly’s Beverly Rae Kimes. Well done!
Additionally you are like the legendary L. Scott Bailey, the late great founder/editor/publisher of the original AQ, who had recruited and motivated many great writers to AQ, and you have done likewise to these CC pages with writers like Tatra, Don Andreina, Joe Dennis, JPC, Bill Stopford, and many others.
As delightful as this article is, your skill in collecting and enthusing a band of similar impassioned writers to CC is due to your magical impresario skills. Bravo.
Personally, as you and several of your main contributors raise the article quality standards, I know that I have to rewrite several of my planned posts since they now fall short, that is motivation for future CC quality. Thanks for the inspiration.
Short articles can often be every bit as interesting, insightful and stimulating as long ones. Size doesn’t matter! 🙂
Frankly, this one got away from me, and needed a good editing job.
“…the Dodge and Plymouth were at least 12 years before their time and would have been big sellers if brought out in 1974 just after the 73 OPEC oil embargo.”
In fact they were available, as Satellite and Coronet. Then gradually renamed to Fury/Monaco.
Wow, Paul. I think you’ve written the definitive synopsis.
Catching this after reading the 1962 period road tests, I’d commented over there, speculating if these ’62s might have sold better had there not been the slipshod quality issues lurking in the recent past. IOW, is it possible that at least part of the poor sales could be attributed to prospects skittish over previous year MoPars, rather than merely being turned off over the styling?
The more things change, the more they seem to remain the same. Reading the 1962 MT wagon road test, the attributes for which the Chevy was praised – value, quality, does enough well to overlook the negatives – could pass for a description of the Toyondas that came to take over the landscape while GM became increasingly cost-conscious, cynical and arrogant.
Maybe the most telling remark from this piece is wondering if Chrysler (at least after 1950) was one of the Big Three or merely the biggest of the independents. That’s gonna be worth a second look after Sergio Marchionne sacrifices the Dodge and Chrysler brands as part of a rumored yet-to-come sale (probably spun as a merger) to Hyundai, in which only Jeep and Ram survive.
Should that happen, then the Hellcats and Demons will take their place beside those Paxton-supercharged Studes and other wonderful last-gasp oddities from back in the day.
“the attributes for which the Chevy was praised – value, quality, does enough well to overlook the negatives – could pass for a description of the Toyondas that came to take over the landscape”
We should note that the test car exhibited a nasty driveline vibration, (the only mechanical failing noted on any of the three, as I recall) which the editors essentially ignored. That was the common attitude of the day (as it is with Toyondas now) – a serious issue on the Chevy was considered an isolated and non-serious event while the assembly issues on the Plymouth (none of which affected performance) were almost disqualifying. GM, of course, no longer gets that kind of benefit of the doubt. (And Chrysler keeps building substandard cars.)
Well noted, JP. I took their driveline vibration remark at face value.
It didn’t occur to me to take it as possible confirmation bias, in part because the ’58 and ’59 Chevies had their own issues and that would still be a fresh memory, yet failing to remember that millions of ’46-’57 cars and trucks were still in use, all pretty well screwed together…to drive such a bias.
And you’re correct, none of the build issues hampered the ’62 Plymouth’s superior performance. Although I stand by my wondering if negative perceptions about workmanship were as much a factor as the styling in keeping all but hardcore fans away.
For the record, my extended family’s past includes a ’56 Dodge, ’61 New Yorker, ’60 Belvedere, ’63 New Yorker, ’65 Fury III which was owned briefly, ’67 Coronet, ’68 Polara and two 1960 Valiants.
As to more recent MoPars being substandard, I’ll submit many built within the past 20 years – or at least thru the Daimler and Cerberus periods – wound up with electrical issues as they got older. Not a problem when new, but years down the road as lower-income drivers need cheap transportation…the ignition module, for example, a quick and inexpensive fix on other makes, requires removing the computer on DCX/Cerberus-period MoPars for a $100+ reprogramming.
To the possibility of an FCA sale to Hyundai, today, Peter DeLorenzo doubled down on remarks he made last month…
http://www.autoextremist.com/on-the-table1/2017/12/4/december-6-2017.html
Paul, fascinating story. It is ironic that Exner’s last cars (1961–62) were as out of touch with mainstream tastes as the pre-Exner cars of 1953-54. The ’62 Plymouth was a midsize car with a full-size price. Consumer Reports categorized the Plymouth as “intermediate,” a step below the standard Chevrolet and Ford. I wouldn’t have guessed the ’62 Plymouth wagon was actually longer overall than the Impala — didn’t look it.
I omitted the wagons, which had a 10″ longer body in the rear. That made them quite competitive in terms of cargo area and having 8 passenger capability. Our Coronet wagon was just as roomy as most full-size wagons, with a wee bit less width. It felt substantially more roomy than our ’62 Fairlane. And we had looked at a ’65 Fairlane wagon, which was decidedly smaller in its cargo area.
Another extraordinary job Paul – thank you for all the research and excellent writing that went into this piece.
Kudos Paul. This was a fascinating article to read.
Wow, what an article, congrats! I remember when these 62s came out and thought they were weird and ugly. But now, they seem more in tune with modern cars than the 62 Chevy and Ford with their long, long rear overhangs. The Plymouth is especially fetching, but I still can’t abide the front end of the Dodge.
My aunt and uncle had a 62 Plymouth wagon (as a used car), but I don’t recall the extra rear-end length, even though I rode in it many times. One thing I do remember is that it puked its full load of engine oil on the concrete apron of our driveway — what a mess!
Photo is of a 62 Dodge Polara parked as part of a display of a historic gas station in Barboursville, Virginia. It has bucket seats but no console.
What a great article, thanks for your in depth research and analysis to bring the truth to light. Having read the account of the Newberg blunder at various times, the timing struck me as inadequate for when he could have ordered the major downsize redesign relative to documented new ‘62 introductions. Sources cite September 28, 1961 for Dart and Polara introduction, the Custom 880 in January 1962. The timeline of the Newberg explanation seems highly implausible. When the cars failed, he was the convenient scapegoat on which to place the blame.
What is indisputable was Exner made a massive blunder introducing a new and sophisticated design language with the compact ’60 Valiant. Compacts were universally regarded as economical (cheap) transportation then, not style-leaders. The long hood/short deck, shoulder-less mid-section had great potential for a generations development to identify Mopars. Instead, we received another reprise of the Engel, “fill-out-the-corners-to-the-maximum” rectilinear themes brought from Ford.
Imagine if that ’60 Valiant style had been blown up 30% and introduced as the 1960 Imperial. It seems whatever he did with that design language, none of his later efforts ever seemed to look as good as the ’60-2 Valiants.
Just a note on the asymmetrical design mania, perhaps Exner was influenced by this.
The mid Fifties Jaguar D type racing machine, complete with asymmetrical fin!
Here’s the picture.
Excellence all around!
What I think is admirable about it is that you began by giving the people crafting these cars respect and expertise. You began by deciding that these men intended to make these cars. That makes perfect sense. While the styling is emotional, the rest of these cars are engineered by people who were very logical and dedicated to doing their best. By assuming that you were researching into the work done by people who knew their stuff – you began getting this right.
The “garden party” story is only appreciated by people who don’t know how cars are engineered. It makes those of us without a clue about the Chrysler corporation and its leaders a sense of understanding.
So these were excellent cars, buried under styling that was too unconventional to be appreciated. That makes complete sense. We have many stories of auto excellence being underappreciated in the marketplace. Your presentation of the events put these cars into their best perspectives. Outstanding. Bravo!
Now – that said.
The 1964 cars still didn’t win back Chrysler’s market share, but the 1965 cars did. Even without Exner enhancements, these very fine cars couldn’t find the respect they deserved. So it didn’t seem to be all about the ugly extrusions forced the fenders of this generation’s design. The Valiant and Lancer/Dart won over a strong percentage of the compact market by dumping the Exner design, but the larger cars couldn’t seem to fix what went wrong in 1962 until 1965, and a fresh design and start.
Don’t you think that’s odd?
Daringly designed cars such as the Edsel, and the 1957 Chrysler line were spectacular failures for Ford and Chrysler. GM copied Chrysler in 1959 and struggled as well. The quality of these daringly designed cars were poor. The buying public didn’t get a taste of the jet age future as promised by Madison Avenue – they got lemons. The Moroney stickers forced upon the industry by 1957 indicated that the public was becoming skeptical of what the industry was peddling. Watching neighbors purchase these fantastic finned machines, just to witness them towed to dealerships for quality issues, doomed the Exner design language.
After five years of bad cars with the newest design language and newfangled features, plus a recession which cut car sales 40%, it made sense that dull cars without the newest designs find favor within the market. The Beetle, the Rambler American, and the Lark weren’t new designs, but between their prices and their dependability, sold them like never before.
So it isn’t until 1965 that Chrysler found favor one again within the market.
A comment was made about Chrysler’s labour costs. Contrary to popular belief, Chrysler was above the same as Ford and GM. Had to be as the big three not only fought for customers but also labour.
The problem was not high labour costs, but the high use of labour. Chrysler Corp. cars were bigger than their competitors, resutling in bigger fenders, etc. It takes longer to tighten six bolts than four – not much per car, but with a million cars being built, it does.
Ford in 1945 was finalizing their 1949 models – Ford 118 wheelbase, Mercury 122″, Lincoln 125″ and Lincoln Continental 130″. The Cost Accountants reviewed the situation and gave their opinions.
First, the cars were larger than the competition, and given the size of the cars and the amount of materials and labour to build them, the cost per unit will rise. And with that, the company could lose sales and market share. That could result in losing money for the year and if that keeps up for a number of years it could result in bankruptcy.
Or, the company could keep the prices matching the competition. But that would result in losing money on each car built, and in long run could result in bankruptcy.
Or, the company could design a new, smaller Ford and bring the other makes down in size. Thus the 114″ wb Ford, 118″ wb Mercury, 121″ wb Lincoln and 125″ wb Lincoln Cosmopolitan. The 130″ wb Continental was dumped.
The smaller 1949 models proved to be very popular and profitable for Ford.
Over at Chrysler, the larger models went into production and marketed at higher prices. They sold, but not like their competitors did,. K.T. Keller took the attitude that labour costs were too high,. 1949-50 was the year the UAW and the big three negotiated a new contract. The big three took turns being the first to deal with the UAW. Generally whatever was decided, the other two accepted, with some minor negotiations for unique situations.
But this year, Keller decided to reject the almost finalized contract and the UAW went on strike at the end of January, 1950. Three months later the company decided to bend. A contract was signed – a contract that was basically the same as the one Keller rejected. Three months of production lost. And that came to about 400,000 cars.
Dodge was also shrunk for 1953, moving from the DeSoto-Chrysler body to Plymouth, although Dodge sedans were on a 119″ wheelbase as opposed to Plymouth’s 114″. (Chev and Ford were 115″) Dodge 2 door hardtops, convertibles and wagons were on a 114″ wheelbase. They looked short and stubby next to Dodge’s main competitor, the 122″ wheelbase Pontiac (which used the Chevrolet body).
Another spot of high costs was the hemi engine. Or rather, the hemi engines. Three engines and absolutely nothing interchanged. The bore centres were all different meaning the blocks and heads were different lengths. The engines could not share or swap heads or manifolds.
Virgil Exner became head of styling in 1952. By that time the 1953 models were locked up. Exner had no chance of changing anything. The decision to have Plymouth a new V8 engine for 1955 was announce on May 15, 1952, the same day management decided that new bodies were need for 1955, and not a rerun of 1953. Thus the 1955 Plymouths had Dodge V8 engine with poly heads and the real Plymouth engines were not ready until the summer of 1955. And the 1956 Plymouth engine also shared nothing with the other three.
Under Tex Colbert, some major changes occurred. The V8 engine situation was cleared by having the three engines replaced by two variations of one block – the B and RB. Chrysler acquired Briggs Body and proceeded on the road to unit body construction.
And also introduce an automatic transmission. Undoubtedly Chrysler engineers had been working on one, but Chrysler was the last American manufacturer to offer one. DeSoto and Chrysler V8 models had Powerflite as an option at the end of the 1953 model year. Dodge got it for 1954 and Plymouth in mid-1954.
By the way, it was William Newburg who overheard Chevrolet head Ed Cole at a garden party (summer, 1959) discussing a new, smaller Chevrolet and informed his seniors that Chevrolet was going to downsize for 1962. Thus Chrysler management declared that work must stop on the new S series models and downsize the Plymouth and Dodge.
So Exner and his staff took the almost finalized Plymouth and Dodge Dart, reduced the wheelbase to 116″, width to 75″ and length to 202″. As a result, the new Plymouth and Dart were all but ready to go by July, 1960. And management panicked and had styling start immediately on new front ends for 1963. And then new rear ends for 1963 in February, 1961.
Very interesting times for Chrysler, 1946 to 1970. Chrysler lost the DeSoto in 1960 and began destroying Plymouth at the same time. And it seems the Dodge and Chrysler are under the same death watch now as Plymouth was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
Bill, your lengthy comment has a number of wrong assumptions and facts. I’m not going to address them all, but the fact that you ended with the Newberg garden party story, and it taking place in the summer of ’59 (6 months before Chevrolet ever made the decision about a new smaller Chevy), makes it clear that you didn’t even read my article, and that you just want to regurgitate the same old same-old. Why bother?
Paul, that was an excellent in-depth look at these cars. Thanks for taking the time to write and post it.
Wow, the rear view of the red Ghia/Exner 1952 Chrysler D’Elegance concept sure has loads of elements of the VW Karmann Ghia a few years later!
I wasn’t a fan of this era Chryco cars.. They were strange looking when new, and their strangeness only amplified with years.. By 1975 or so the sight of one was truly bizarre. They were interesting as “someone else’s car”, not anything I’d want for my family.. I preferred the more straightforward good looks of GM cars of the 1960s. Those still look good to this day.
Studebaker, AMC, Chrysler and even Ford felt a bit “cultish” to me.
I think the ‘Outer Space’ looks hurt more than the size of the cars. 1962 Ford and Chevy cars were very clean and modern. 50’s styles were over.
The ’63 and ’64 ‘smaller’ Dodge/Plymouths sold better with cleaner looks, and led to mid size car market success overall with Big 3.
IMO: the 1962 Chevy and Fords were Dull Designs that people settled for only because of their Ford or Chevy brand loyalties.
Memories of the disastrous (from a build quality and rust-resistance standpoint) 1957-59 Mopars were still fresh in the minds of car buyers in 1962. While Mopars had improved on those fronts by 1962, they still suffered from poor detail work compared to GM, Ford and even AMC offerings.
Chevrolet, and to a lesser extent, Ford, were seen as safe choices by new-car buyers in 1962.
Ford was hardly a paragon of high quality control either.
1957-58 Fords were well known for their bodies rusting, especially around/above the headlights.
From what I’ve read, the 1957-58 Fords weren’t as bad as the Plymouths in that regard, particularly in regard to rust and water leaks.
Plus, Chrysler Corporation was rocked by a “payola” scandal in 1959-60, with the revelation that some top-level executives had interests in outside suppliers. They were supposedly looking the other way while Chrysler paid inflated prices for substandard parts. (This scandal is what cut short Newberg’s tenure at the top.)
Whatever the issues with its 1957-58 cars, Ford did not have that problem to address.
It’s not as though For didn’t suffer for its sins…by 1962, Chevrolet was outselling the entire Ford Motor Company! Just five years before, Ford Division had beaten Chevrolet, and then came close to beating Chevrolet in 1959.
The 1962 Plymouth ditched the busy, “outer space” dashboard of earlier years for one of clear, concise instrumentation and with a certain degree of simple elegance.
IIRC this dashboard design won an industrial design award wayyyyyyyy back when?
I think it was the 1962 Valiant IP that won the award you have in mind, but I could be wrong about that. Both were excellent, highly legible, correctly-designed panels. Chrysler at that time were putting a lot of thought into what we now call ergonomics; this technical paper they put out in January of 1962 is a really interesting read.
Great find on that SAE paper! These ’62-’63 dashes are some of my favorites, along with the ’63-’64 Chrysler.
I think the Dodge could have looked like this with some refinement. Being full-size and with curved side glass i think it had alot of potential but then again it looks like the conventional wisdom was with dull and plain, maybe a backlash to the late 50s look. Ford was playing with a central air intake style grille in conceptual form since the late 50s. Since all the auto stylists were copying airplanes and jets, i’m guessing the inspiration was the North American F-100.
I re-read this today and realize that I had forgotten how totally fabulous this piece is!
One thought that has not been touched upon – It is interesting that Chrysler Corporation, from the very beginning, failed to develop managerial talent. Walter Chrysler was the total package, the exceptional guy who could do it all. And the results of the company’s first ten years shows it.
K.T. Keller had been Chrysler’s protoge, and Chrysler had been quoted as saying that he didn’t know of a better production man. But after Chrysler’s death it was Zeder, Skelton and Breer who really ran the company.
Both Colbert and Newberg had been around since the 1930s, which means that all the way into 1961 the company was essentially still being run by the old guard who had worked under WPC himself. Neither proved to be successful.
That’s a good point, and it really helps throw some light on the cyclical mismanagement the Chrysler Corporation struggled with from the beginning to the end of their existence.
To be fair, Chrysler’s focus on engineering prowess is what separated them from GM and Ford. Unfortunately, ‘Extra Care in Engineering’ just didn’t translate into the level of sales volume an auto company needed to succeed (let alone survive) in the dog-eat-dog automotive world.
Except that vaunted prowess wasn’t always managed well. GM had a proper automatic transmission by 1940. Chrysler dicked around with two kinds of semi-automatic Fluid Drives until it finally got one out (PowerFlite) in 1954! Even Ford beat them to it by several years, never mind Studebaker and Packard. That was a huge mistake, and one that cost them. Chrysler’s market share was sliding during this time.
They were a bit late with an ohv V8 too. Frankly, I don’t see a lot of engineering prowess over GM in the critical 1946-1960 period, except for TorqueFlite. GM’s OHV V8s and their automatics were a key component of their strong growth in market share all during this period.
Chrysler may have done a fine job with lots of details, but much of that didn’t really matter.
That’s not to discredit their many achievements, but I’m afraid in a few key areas they rather blew it.
Fair enough. I wonder if GM’s technical achievements get overshadowed by their success in other areas like styling and marketing. GM, at their zenith, even when they made mistakes, were simply on top of the world in a lot of fields.
But, then, circumstances dictated some extreme belt-tightening and it seems like a whole lot of new directions that weren’t ‘business as usual’ (like FWD) really went to hell, and that includes being a leader in engineering improvements. GM could still spit out some decent, traditional, full-size cars but anything else? Not so much.
Paul: Surely you are not hinting that a Chevy 283V8/2 speed (ancient slip ‘n slide) Powerglide automatic transmission was better than a Mopar 318 V8/3 speed Torqueflite (automotive industry reference standard) automatic transmission powertrain?
C’mon now……..
Did I not say “the 1946-1960” period?
Paul: My mistake. Once again, scanning my i-phone without my reading glasses on!
My apologies.
Thank you Jim. Coming from you, that means a lot. I’ve learned a huge amount about Chrysler(s) from you over the years. It’s dedicated to you!
I’ve read this excellent piece at least four times now, and during today’s reading I realised it never occurred to me to wonder what the ’60-’62 Valiant-Lancer cars would’ve looked like with curved sideglass. My guess: markedly better, and I’m already a fan, even with the flat glass.
Indeed. As evidence, one need look no further than the 1970 Plymouth Duster, a car that had the most compound curved side window glass up to that point. Did it cut into headroom? Yep, but no one seemed to care as it sold like ice on a hot day.
When all is said and done, the ’62 Plymouth Fury is one of my all time favorites, especially the convertible. Right proportions, light space-age styling, ideal dash, just wonderful all around.
I re-read this the other day and realized it’s way to long. It should have been broken into two parts: Everything prior to the development of the ’62s, and everything from that point forward.
Maybe, Paul. I think despite its length, it’s quite compelling just the way it is.
It’s a good write-up that goes much further in-depth into what was one of the biggest screw-ups in Chrysler history (if not the business world, as a whole).
The Newberg-garden party story makes very good copy but, when a little research is performed, it doesn’t seem quite as likely as it first seems. The executives at Chrysler wanted to keep their jobs after the 1962 fiasco, so they figured out the best way to do that was to blame everything on Newberg and Exner.
I might even be more inclined to believe that whomever was responsible were looking at the downsized ’62 Mopars as a quick-and-dirty response to Ford’s, upcoming, brand-new 1962 intermediate Fairlane and GM’s ‘senior’ compacts. Taken in that context, the ’62 Mopar downsizing makes a lot more sense. If the 1962 cars had been styled better, maybe things would have turned out quite a bit differently.
Paul: Please don’t modify/edit/change one word on this article. It flows together well. Breaking it up would make the readers loose interest in the logical reasoning and smooth flow of this one.
I agree, this was quite a read (don’t recall seeing it a year ago, but I could have just missed it.
I was also thinking of the serial that Curtis Redgap wrote up in Allpar about this time..his grandfather (and father) had full line MOPAR dealership about this time (and in fact gave it up right after this time). He writes some interesting notes about the ’62’s, indicating that lots of dealers hated them, to the extent that they dropped their dealer agreements. It seems like Plymouth didn’t have a response, but Dodge rushed the 880 model to give them a “regular” full sized (i.e. more Chrysler sized) car to sell. Curtis also noted some details like the lack of chrome around the (frameless) windows that initially seemed “cheap” but of course it too started a trend, in that no car now has chrome (or anything but glass) around the windows.
I may be making more of this than it should be, but it seems to me that Chrysler was often “ahead” of its time in trends, and they suffered sales loss due to it. I think they may have thought that “smaller” cars would do better (maybe due to the 1958 recession..as Paul mentions in his article these were in development around 1959, which would be shortly after this). Thought these cars were larger than a Rambler, maybe they saw the sales numbers for 1958 and thought smaller (at least outside) was a trend they should follow.
The problems however were several, notably the “oddball” styling (as mentioned in Curtis Redgap’s serial), and the pricing (which was probably the same or even a bit higher than Ford and Chevy full sized cars…people don’t want to think they are paying “price for a full size” and getting a smaller (albeit on the outside) car…probably especially in 1962. I remember my Grandfather complaining about a intermediate he bought around this time (a 1963 Fairlane) saying it wasn’t “heavy” enough, and didn’t track well during windy weather…in his mind, it was desirable to have the weight of a full size car…even though many think weight is bad (for handling, engine performance, etc….evidently not all do…I have to mention though that my Grandfather wasn’t a car person, but he may have mirrored the ideas of his generation (50 years prior to mine).
It wasn’t the first nor last “goof” of this kind; like Chrysler introducing new line of full sized cars in 1974 right after the first fuel shortage. In fact, this might even play into today’s situation where domestic car manufacturers are abandoning most car models in favor of crossovers, SUVs and trucks. Makes sense in terms of todays sales trends, but gas is cheap, and a lot of people tend to want to drive the “biggest” vehicle that they can afford to keep fueling at “reasonable” cost, which of course could change drastically if fuel prices rise quickly…of course some crossovers and trucks get OK gas mileage, but people are often extreme in their reactions, and if the price of fuel goes way up they may drastically change back to whoever makes small cars, at least until the price of fuel goes back down.
Maybe Chrysler was ultimately right (until 1973) , but they couldn’t wait till the market caught up to them, it must have seemed like forever until the 1965s came out for dealers. The economy was good in the 1960s and even AMC started building larger cars like the Rebel/Matador and the larger Ambassador, which probably made sense until 1973. I think the real question is how product planners can predict what will sell given unknown fuel pricing, as well as of course the difficult to predict consumer fads in terms of what people want to buy.
This thesis is worthy of a graduate degree.. The pictures are a treasure trove. Thank you for all the effort you put into this wonderful site. It brings pleasure to many people.
The styling of these cars is pretty much what changed my mom from Chrysler to Cadillac. We had a troublesome (Endless electrical stuff) 60 New Yorker, and it was replaced by an absolutely hideous 63 New Yorker in a kind of a corroded copper green/blue. She hated it’s looks and after about a year or so, it was gone, replaced by a Cadillac Coupe De Ville in baby blue(Yuck). I remembered the New Yorker well, but for decades mom denied it ever existed, until I found a pic I had taken of the “rocket nozzle” taillights right after we got it. Then she remembered it. I don’t know how she could have forgotten it. Mopar lost mom at that point, until then, everything she ever drove was a Chrysler product. My dad gave them another shot, with a ’68 Imperial, in a(IMHO) an awful weakish bronze color, with the mandatory black vinyl top. The A/C would get stuck full cold in that car quite often, and after two years, it was gone too. I would bring back the Mopar love in ’74, when I bought my first car, a ’74 Roadrunner that is alive, well, more than alive in Las Vegas with a huge stroked 440 in it, totally restored. All together, counting Jeeps since Chrysler owned it, I’ve bought 9 Mopars and only my ’77 Power Wagon was a bad vehicle. But it was VERY VERY bad. It kept me away for over 7 years, but the Caravan got me back, for a while. It took my ’93 Grand Cherokee to make me really happy. The ’99 GC I replaced it with I hated to the point I wanted it gone a month after I bought it. My 2003 Ram is missed to this day, and I really liked the Charger R/T, Challenger R/T, and even more so, the Challenger 392 Scatpack I just got even more.
This was the year’s best.
I’ve reread it many times.
Now – if styling was the culprit that caused these cars to fail, why did they fail after the styling was changed? The 1964 line, was quite different than the 1962 line – yet sales still faltered. Same cars, different look. Still sales duds.
Actually, sales improved for both the ’63 and ’64 restyles, as well as for the new ’65’s; the first two ahead of the market, but from a deep deficit.
There was another reason why Chrysler justified going small.
A marketing phenomena called the Rambler.
By 1962, Rambler was outselling Plymouth and Dodge.
Nearly 300,000 sales a year.
From 1957, when Exner went big, AMC went small.
Chrysler’s sales figures drop, while AMC’s exponentially exploded.
What size is the Rambler Classic?
That sweet spot listed above.
Seats six, under 200 inches in length.
So, anyone at Chrysler who was miffed at being ignored by Exner, enjoyed the schadenfreude that hit him as Rambler’s sale figures confirmed their belief that a vehicle similar in size as the Rambler Classic was the way to go.
And yes – I have read through this awesome Neidermeyer work of art, again.
Probably the best piece I’ve read on CC, an excellent exposition of the reason for these underappreciated cars. My Grandpa traded his ’57 Coronet on a ’62 Dart 440 hardtop w/ 318 and Dad knew Grandpa really liked it so we test drove a left-over ’62 Dart 440 wagon in the Spring of ’63. Then he went out and bought a new ’63 Country Sedan because he said the Dodge was too noisy, and I do recall the pronounced gear whine he commented on from the TorqueFlite on the test drive. I also recall how the Dodge seemed to be much more nimble and peppy compared to the overly-heavy Ford with it’s obsolete 352 lump. Ironically the Ford wagon became my first car when he upgraded to a ’68 Squire, and for several years of college that ponderous ’63 was dependable, spacious, and handy but also thirsty and sluggish, and in my eyes much less desirable than the ’62 Dodge, which I would have vastly preferred. Mopar was indeed ahead of it’s time; I’ve always liked the off-beat styling of those years and I’d love to have one now but the “Max-wedge” crowd has driven up the price to silly levels.
Interesting that the fullsize Dodge Flightwing was presented at the New York Autoshow in April of 1961, but the overall design concept would have been already dead back at the design department with respect to the 1962 lineup
A very throughly researched article.
Thank god I live on the otherside of the pacific ocean and never have seen most of the gawdy ugly landyachts in the flesh. Style is subjective but these and most vehicles from the USA from this time period are hidious, with a few exceptions. There is some good designs, and excellent cars the USA made as well in this time period so I’m not saying I think is vomit inducing is terrible but 90% in my eyes are.
Vehicle styling ideas generally flows in cycles. Unfortunately over the last 15 years or so vehicle styling design, from the smallest econoboxes to the most expensive Farrari’s have returned to the overwrought styling messes like from the late 1950’s to late 1970’s.
I know the majority of the audiance here will obviously think I’m an idiot and dont know what I’m talking about and that’s fine. Life would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
Maybe my comment wont be posted.
Cheers,
Travis.
Re-read this piece and still feel it’s one of the best ever written here at CC. The Mopar ’62s were ahead of their time, by far the most nimble and efficient “full-size” US car of the time. I still love their highly original eccentric styling, not everything can, or should, like a Giugiaro-penned design exercise. The basic goodness of these cars allowed them to persist as the Mopar B and R body chassis right up through 1981. A shame that the off-putting looks of the originals drove conservative full-size buyers to purchase the far more mediocre cars from GM and Ford.
It was a pleasure to re-read this today, Paul. Yes, you could just have well made two still-hefty essays out of it–either way, just fine with me.
In academia, there’s a running joke about “minimum publishable unit”–i.e., how many modest journal articles could one carve out of their dissertation; by that silly measure, all of your work for this could have yielded a good handful of posts.
Here’s a 1962 Plymouth ad where they not only show the (larger) 1961, but brag about the gas-mileage improvement:
One more of interest: Popular Mechanics article about the development of the 1955 Plymouth (prepared with Chrysler’s cooperation), with timeline back to 1952:
A good alternate title of this excellent article might be “The Defense and Vindication of William C. Newberg”.
I spent my free time this morning slowly reading this, and realized near the end that I had already read it a few times before – but that only caused me to read it again with an open mind. There is so much covered so well, that it is a pleasure to study.
I want badly to accept Exner as a stylist, and Paul’s work here does him honor. Yet I cannot look at what was produced and not shudder at how ridiculous and hideous it was. Those side fins are really bad. Forcing Dodge’s rear fenders to curve around the rear wheel cut outs and wander upward towards the edge of the car slows down the visual. A faster design incorporating this gimmick would be to have the side fin cut immediately horizontal, not wander upward.
There is a photo above that demonstrates how the Dodge side fin was done poorly, (on the coupe mock up), and correctly, (on the wagon mock up behind it).
The Valiant was the best compact, but it looked like a complete mess. When Exner fixed it in 1963, the Valiant and Dart went on for the next decade as the best selling compact cars. That 1963 redesign needed to have been the 1960 design.
I’m of the opinion that controversial styling, not the trimmer dimensions, are what hurt ’62 Dodge and Plymouth sales, damaged even more by debuting the styling language on economy-grade Valiant two years earlier (it’s well established that new styling directions should be introduced on upmarket models then trickle down to the cheaper ones, not the reverse). I don’t think the larger cars initially planned for 1962 would have done much, if any, better. None of them look attractive to me, and all look more 1959 than 1962. The Imperial was probably best of the group, but even it pales compared to the crisply-tailored Cadillacs and subtly elegant Lincolns that were already in their second year by 1962.
Americans clearly wanted smaller cars. GM’s 1961 full-sizers were somewhat trimmer than the exuberant but impractical ’59-60s. Ford reduced the width of their big cars in ’61 and ended the distinct larger Mercury bodies; the ’61 Lincoln was a whopping 15″ shorter than the ’60. Exner’s “Forward Flair” look was never popular; look how Valiant sales spiked after the more conventional ’63s debuted.
Agreed. Something I didn’t see mentioned in the well-researched article were two new vehicles of the time that would have went a long way to explaining the downsized 1962 Mopars: the new intermediate 1962 Ford Fairlane, and the 1961 ‘senior’ GM compacts. In effect, Chrysler, without the resources of the larger companies, resorted to a different plan to get a quick response to the Fairlane and Tempest/F85/Special and devised the scheme of downsizing their full-size cars, instead.
And, as pointed out, it might have worked if the execution had been better. Simply put, the styling of the 1962 Plymouth and Dodge is what did them in, not the size.
Not to mention it’s rather unlikely it was just a spur of the moment thing by one guy who was later a convenient scapegoat when the plan failed.
Something I didn’t see mentioned in the well-researched article were two new vehicles of the time that would have went a long way to explaining the downsized 1962 Mopars: the new intermediate 1962 Ford Fairlane, and the 1961 ‘senior’ GM compacts.
I woke up early this morning and as I was laying in bed, it suddenly came to me: Ed Cole was referring to the upcoming ’61 Chevy, which was going to be trimmed a bit in length and width along with all the full size GM cars.
It’s so obvious: this garden party (or golf game) clearly happened in the summer of 1959; all the evidence is there to support that. At that time even the concept of a Chevy II didn’t exist, as it was only conceived after the Corvair got off to a weaker start than hoped for. That was not until the deep winter of 1959-1960, by which time the Plymouth and Dodge had already been downsized as per the photographic record.
As to the Fairlane, it was still too far off in the future, like the Chevy II. And it’s been said repeatedly that the info came from Ed Cole.
That’s a very interesting theory, never heard that proposed before by anyone, and being a Mopar history fan have read just about every historical account on the subject, but on consideration it makes perfect sense given the timeline. Guess we’ll never really know, as all the protagonists have by now departed this mortal core!
coil … damn spell check.
Agreed. It should be noted that Newberg did not assume the Chrysler presidency until April 28, 1960 which seems like it would have been too late to change course for the 1962 model year. Of course, during the summer of 1959, he still would have been close friends with Tex Colbert, too, and could have easily influenced the fateful decision.
In theory, then, it wasn’t Newberg, at all, who made the ultimate decision on the crash downsizing, but Colbert. Is it possible that Colbert figured out, all too soon, what a mistake he had made and set-up Newberg to take the fall when the inevitable sales crash occurred, even though it was likely a collaboration between the two for the downsizing debacle?
What’s really interesting is how things might have played out if there hadn’t been the 1962 downsizing. The photographs of what likely would have originally been the full-size 1962 Plymouth essentially look like the 1961 car with the 1962 Plymouth front-end (a not insignificant improvement). It’s unlikely such a car would have sold any worse and all the money they spent on the downsizing might have, instead, went to bringing out the real 1966 Mopar intermediates two years earlier for 1964.
LIkewise, the full-size 1961-62 car would have been restyled for 1963, which has been speculated could have, ironically, been remarkably similar to the very successful 1965 Chevy.
Or they simply could have begun the Townsend/Engel styling routine of aping the last model cycle GM cars, making the 1963 Mopars clones of the 1961 GM models.
In effect, without the 1962 downsizing, the way Chrysler began operating in 1965 would have been moved up to 1963.
IOW, the 1962 downsizing did way more damage to Chrysler’s future than it first seems.
This is a great article, almost belongs in book form. I had come to the same conclusion, Paul. Such technical talent, upon seeing the benefits of the space-efficient unibody reveal itself in the Valiant, together with the inefficiencies of the ’57 cars and fall off in sales after their first year, couldn’t help but embolden them to commandeer the corporate steering wheel.
The ’62 Dodge’s front was screwball… right at home in Mad Mad Mad Mad World. But with the Plymouth, Ex nailed it, at least up front. It’s the rear that on the sedan at least, is troubled, beginning with a too stiff and truncated C-pillar, and extending to the rear of the car. I didn’t know the wagon had a 10-inch rear overhang stretch until you pointed it out. Then I immediately wondered what it would have looked like in sedan form, as a top-of-line version of the car, especially when mated to an extended and more flowing C-pillar. The front fender protrusions were needed to resolve the surfaces coming of the front of the car, but the clean sides aft of them would have looked better had they extended all the way to the taillights, imo.
Thanks, Paul.
Your changes make it look more “grown up”, more mainstream and acceptable, although I rather like the stubby tail of the original.
“controversial styling” – do you mean “uglier than a mule’s hind end”? ‘Cause I think that’s what you mean.
I’m of the opinion that the General Motors stable of the 1950s and 1960s was the strongest in design of any automaker on Earth. CHEVROLET PONTIAC OLDSMOBILE BUICK CADILLAC and GMC owned over 60% of the North American market those years, and that continued into the early 1980s. Chevrolet by itself sold as many cars as Ford Mercury Lincoln combined for a period of time in the 1960s.
Pontiac with tri-power V8 engines dominated on the track and streets. Pontiac just roared in the 1960s, and a top level Bonneville could be as luxurious as a Cadillac. Luxury and power with killer good looks to match.
Government regulation reared its head in the mid ’60s, followed by the oil shock of 1973. Nobody saw that one coming, and safety and environmental regulatory demands only increased, year after year.
Spot on. How could anyone have authorized these eyesores to go into production is beyond me. Even back then there were such things as customer soundings and I cannot imagine the response by potential buyers – if shown an approximation of these mishmashes of incoherent shapes – would have been positive. The most annoying thing is that, with Ghia, Chrysler had a partner who could style attractive cars – to me using the Dual-Ghia L 6.4 as a template for the 62 models would have made perfect sense. It is a shame Lynn A. Townsend was not around to stop the madness before it was too late – who knows how things might have looked for Chrysler nowadays had this taken place.
The stuck-on taillights on the Ghia should have brought Exner’s judgment into doubt much earlier.
Yeah, I didn’t see the point of those. Not a fresh look at all.
Oy vey! What a lot of words to say “Let’s face it, Chrysler products were pretty much universally butt-ugly until the late 1960s when some of them rose to be simply undistinguished.”
I know everyone talks about “Chrysler Engineering” as if somehow the cars were so spectacularly engineered that it compensated for their butt-ugliness, but the truth of Chrysler engineering at least well into the DaimlerChrysler era, is that it was a bunch of sophomore-level engineers who never knew when to leave well enough alone. Thus such screwball solutions-to-nonexistent-problems as the left hand threaded lug nuts of the 1960s, or the plastic high pressure fuel rails of the LX (or as we called them the “:Insta-Split” fuel rails, or the V6 engine in the Cirrus-Stratus that was jammed up against the back of the radiator so close that there was no air flow, or any number of other stories I could tell from my years dealing with these knuckleheads.
Finally sometime in the 90s they started making some attractive-ish cars, but they were still cheap tinny poorly assembled pieces of poop.
So what to do?
I know! Let’s merge with Fiat!
Whether you like them personally or not, they’re the last party standing when it comes to muscle cars with old school big V8 engines.
And I’m not a particular Mopar fan, I’m another acolyte of Saint Mark of Excellence at General Motors.
magnificent, thankyou
I drove a govt.- issued ’62 Savoy sedan while a VISTA Volunteer in the late 60s. I knew how to drive a stick, so I became the designated driver. This was a tough, fast car. I can still remember that engine growl when tooling through Richmond, VA. A light pea green, it might have been a Marine staff car when new. I like this design in Savoy trim- minimal chrome, dish hubcaps, blackwalls. It holds up very well today- looks contemporary- something you could never say about a ’62 Chevy. I just wonder about yet another timeline. Exner started to conventionalize the ’63s before the ’62s even hit the market. Apparently, the executives and/or the dealers saw what was coming and put the kabosh on Exners “side fins” et al.
The 1955-56 Mercury cars has the same dimensions as the 1949-51 Mercury and the 4-doors greenhouse seems similar.