(first posted 10/2/2012) What do you get when you take a small auto manufacturer already in debt, add one of the greatest engineers of his generation, fold in one of the giants of industrial design, and then finish things off with a Great Depression? You get the great Marmon Sixteen. There were under 400 examples to start with, and many fewer now, but we found one–perhaps not at the curbside, but instead in the wild and on the road. Read past the break and you’ll be richly rewarded.
This does not happen very often: When I see an old car on the road I can usually identify it, provided I get a good enough look. While these jobs from the early 1930s can be more of a challenge, usually a glimpse of the radiator and hood ornament will provide me with a positive ID. As I caught up to this one, though, I was stumped. I was on a highway entrance ramp when I spotted it just ahead. I briefly pulled up alongside, and Mrs. JPC got off a single, very nice profile shot from the trusty JPC BlackberryCam as the car took the first exit.
But what was it? I saw the front end and the hood ornament. It was not a winged bird or a guy chasing a donut, so Packard was out. Neither was there a flying lady (Cadillac). There went the easy ones. There was no leaping greyhound (Lincoln) or archer aiming his bow (Pierce). It looked like a sort of nondescript single wing, but I just could not place it. I knew it was a big, expensive old car, but beyond that I was stumped. We were on our way someplace and had missed the exit that the big black car took, so there would be no following it. The next day, a hunch (and the internet) led me to a conclusion: What we have here, dear readers, is the fabulous Marmon Sixteen.
At the beginning of the 2oth century, the Nordyke & Marmon Company was a long-established, Indianapolis-based manufacturer of milling machinery. One of the founder’s sons, Howard C. Marmon, studied engineering at the University of California. A brilliant engineer with perfectionist tendencies, he would rise to the rank of Lt. Colonel by the end of World War I, by which time he had already designed some of the world’s best automobiles. Interestingly, Howard’s brother, Walter, was an MIT classmate of Alfred Sloan, who would go on to build General Motors into the colossus it became. There is an in-depth piece on Howard Marmon here, and it’s worth a read.
From the beginning, Howard Marmon insisted on the most advanced engineering available. He was thoroughly disappointed in the quality and durability of the first automobile he purchased. So, he built his own in 1901. That car made extensive use of aluminum and was powered by an air-cooled V-twin engine with overhead valves and full-pressure lubrication. (In contrast, some mainstream American cars (hellooo, Chevrolet?) didn’t offer pressure lubrication until well after World War II.) After he built a few for friends, he began actual production of autos in 1905. The firm’s best-known early car was the Marmon Wasp; driven by Ray Harroun, it won the inaugural Indianapolis 500 race in 1911. Marmon automobiles were always among the most advanced available.
The automobile company was spun off in the 1920s, and would thenceforth be known as the Marmon Automobile Co. For a time, the Marmon company sold a line of lower-priced cars, including the Roosevelt, the first eight-cylinder car priced under $1,000. But this sort of engineering compromise was not part of Howard Marmon’s nature, and he backed out of active participation in the company for a few years. He did not idle away the hiatus; in 1927, he began designing the vehicle which is the reason why Marmon is remembered to this day as the builder of one of the finest cars ever made: the great Sixteen.
The 1950s gave us the horsepower race, but the 1920s was the era of the cylinder race. By the mid-20s, eight-cylinder engines had become quite common in upper-priced cars. A V-12 became the price of entry into the prestige market, with Packard, Lincoln and others producing wonderful 12-cylinder engines. Still, only two companies ever gave us a V-16: Cadillac (backed by the full financial might of General Motors), and (drum roll, please) Marmon.
The Marmon Sixteen was an engineering marvel. It was billed as “The World’s Most Advanced Motorcar”, and those words were more than mere hyperbole. In 1930, the Society of Automotive Engineers honored the car’s architect, Howard Marmon, with its annual award for the year’s outstanding automotive engineering achievement. Indeed, the Marmon Sixteen was unlike anything else being built. Its engine block was of all-aluminum construction, albeit with steel sleeves lining the cylinders. The 45-degree, even-firing V-16 displaced 491 cu in (just over 8 liters), and was rated at 200 horsepower. In comparison, the Cadillac V-16 was a cast-iron unit displacing 452 cubic inches (7.4 liters), rated at 175 horsepower. The Marmon engine used a 6:1 compression ratio, the highest in the industry. The engine’s torque output was never published, but it has been estimated in the range of 400 ft. lbs.
The Sixteen was also noteworthy for the extensive use of aluminum throughout the chassis and even in the bodies, giving it a power-to-weight ratio second only to the great Duesenberg. Although the twin-cam Dusey had a higher top speed, the Marmon would win any drag race, yet was half the cost (under $5,500) of a Duesenberg chassis. It is reputed that each individual Marmon Sixteen came with a certificate attesting that it had been driven 210 miles at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway–traveling those last ten miles at wide-open throttle, at no less than 105 mph.
Also noteworthy was the car’s styling. It was the work of Walter Dorwin Teague, one of the fathers of American industrial design and a preeminent designer of the Art Deco period. This was the first automotive design job done by the Teague firm. Teage was not much of a car buff and delegated the actual design work to his son, Walter Dorwin Teague, Jr., then a nineteen year old first-year drafting student at MIT. Teague Jr. (no relation to Richard Teague of later Packard and AMC design fame) would, himself, go on to a distinguished career in industrial design. I will leave it to our commentators with backgrounds in industrial design to provide more details, but overall the Sixteen was an extremely modern and fresh design in the classic era. So much so, that its look was not universally popular in its day. Its bold and simple, yet powerful, lines represented some very advanced automotive design at the dawn of the 1930s.
This Victoria Coupe, with coachwork by LeBaron, was one of eight “standard” body styles. There appear to have been two or three full-custom cars as well. One source claims there are 68 surviving Sixteens, including nine surviving Victoria Coupes. The Victoria is an interesting body style, being the forerunner of the modern coupe: a five-window, two-door car that seats four or five, with a trunk or deck extending to the rear of the car from beyond the roof line.
Unfortunately, the Sixteen was doomed. The car made its initial bow in 1931, just as a serious depression was becoming The Great Depression. With the economy in the tank, the market for a $5,000, 16-cylinder car was simply not big enough. To make matters worse, Cadillac’s V-16, introduced a year earlier, had undoubtedly siphoned quite a few sales from an already depleted buyer pool. It’s probably no coincidence that the Cadillac V-16 was designed by Owen Nacker, an engineer who had formerly worked for Marmon.
In total, Marmon made about 390 of the great Sixteens between 1931 and 1933. Sadly, as production slowed to a trickle, the great company quietly slid into receivership and all auto production ceased. We are all too familiar with stories of dying auto companies that slowly shrivel as they try, in vain, to disguise a product well past its sell-by date. Marmon is that rare tale of a company that goes out in a magnificent blaze of engineering glory.
Given its rarity, I’d have suspected this car to be well-documented online; actually, no. Apparently, there’s an Indianapolis area collector reputed to own three Marmon Sixteens, and another is listed as on exhibit at the Indiana State Museum. However, no picture of this solid black Victoria turns up on a Google search. Perhaps we will someday learn more about this particular elegant, black Victoria.
I will admit that I caught this one on the fly, and did not find it sitting outside a post office or grocery store. Under normal circumstances, this would be an Outtake, or one part of a periodic piece about things seen through the JPC Windshield. But really, what are the odds of finding another Marmon Sixteen next month in a Mcdonald’s parking lot–or anywhere else, for that matter? Perhaps this is even better than the normal CCs that sit still long enough for several photos to be taken. Today, we get to experience the Marmon Sixteen as it was meant to be experienced: At speed, on the open road. And although our speed was about 50 mph that day, there is a certificate somewhere proving that the driver of this Marmon still had a lot of space between the floor and the accelerator pedal.
Awesome find! Having seen a Marmon 16 a couple months back, albeit in captivity, I did not realize its absolute rarity. Amazing.
Spectacular. That one shot is definitely enough to earn a CC. The angle shows off the drama of the car’s proportions. Look at the relationship of the c-pillar, the sloping trunk, the fender and wheel. Literally makes the heart beat faster!
And the light makes the whole scene look like a black and white illustration. Somebody should PS out the greenery at the top. 🙂
I was most struck by the front – the Veed radiator shell with the scads of small shutters and the overall muscular look, right down to the blunt-edged front fenders and the raked windshield. The ultra-simple single wing hood ornament is also both delicate and powerful. The longer I have looked at these the more I get sucked in to all of the exquisite details of this design.
The Gray one looks like the car I saw at the Canton, OH car museum in about 1987. It probably is the same. I remember the 2 door style, a Victoria. Quite an automobile.
To actually see one on the road is remarkable, to be wealthy enough to drive a car like that is even more amazing. Every bit of road dirt, nicks, or a stone chip would decrease its value by tens of thousands.
I’ve always wanted a car from that era. As time passes, I find that desire waning. Where do you go for repair? I don’t think most repair shops and car dealers would touch it, even an oil change. Parts would have to be fabricated.
Not for the weak of wallet.
I think cars like this tend to be owned by Silicon Valley IT billionaires or, say, late-night talk show hosts 😉 who have the budget to fabricate parts. Personally, I’d be afraid to take one out on the open road.
Nice car and nice story about an almost forgotten make.
Is the lesson that car companies really shouldn’t be run by engineers?
Indeed, a terrible choice. The car guys/engineers produce fabulous cars but their companies go out of business. The bean counters make completely forgettable cars but stay around to keep making them. Fortunately, there have been occasional exceptions to both rules.
This car makes me sad about how the U.S. auto industry which, at one time, took a back seat to nobody in the world, could so completely walk away from the small segment of the market where the best of the best reside.
A great article on a rare car! What a find…thanks for sharing it with us.
While we look back with awe at these masterpieces, at the time they quickly became white elephants, although magnificent ones. They were often cumbersome for women and older people to drive, which wasn’t a problem if the owners could afford a chauffeur. That became increasingly difficult as the Depression continued and federal income taxes increased. At any rate, an increasing number of people wanted to drive their own cars (particularly women).
These multi-cylinder cars also guzzled gas. A cartoon from this time period featured a gas station attendant telling the owner of a huge luxury car, “Shut off the engine, you’re gaining on me!”.
It was telling that quite a few of the magnificent, coachbuilt classics were destroyed in the drives for scrap metal during World War II. They were considered to be essentially worthless. Well into the 1950s, it was possible to buy one for next to nothing, and the people who collected them were considered to be a bit…different. The average American in the 1950s did not aspire to own a coachbuilt car from the 1930s, or consider one to be especially prestigious. They wanted a brand-new Eldorado or Series 62 sedan.
As Edsel Ford said, “We stopped building these cars because people stopped buying them.” It was Detroit itself, reacting to changes in the market, that moved beyond these cars.
The first Cadillac Sixty Special offered very distinctive styling, fine craftsmanship and superb engineering in vehicle that was (for the time) easy to drive.
The Cadillac and Oldsmobile ohv V-8s of 1949 were the final nails in their coffin. Both engines were initially notable not just for their blazing performance, but also their great fuel economy, considering the size of the vehicles and the performance they offered. They essentially killed any thought of a revived V-12 or V-16. Why bother? (Just as the fours in today’s Accord and Camry have essentially killed off any need for V-8s in family sedans, and have even made V-6s seem superfluous.)
One wonders if the Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-Series of today will meet the same fate. Many knowledgeable people warn prospective buyers to stay far away from used ones, as they cost a fortune to keep on the road. I already see older ones in rather rundown neighborhooods.
You are right that these were basically valueless for a long time. In my research, I came across a story that Bill Harrah’s early antique car restoration outfit used one of these as a towtruck for moving vehicles around the property. Those without brakes would ram into the back of the Marmon when it stopped. Cars worthy of restoration were horseless carriages, not some huge torquemonster from the Depression. I’ll bet it made a helluva towtruck.
I bought a spares Hillman from a guy with a V12 7 series BMW probably the worst automotive investment in recent history new they cost here 200k and a tidy one now 4k
I think you’re right about the S-Class and 7-Series…the 750iL (I forget which E-number) came out when I was in college, and by now, I could probably get one from that time for roughly what I’d pay for a nice Camry from the same period (late ’80s/early ’90s). And that was an imposing car, too. But imposing cars have to be new to impress, whereas workaday cars just have to transport, day in and day out.
Looking forward to the 2072 Curbside Classic of a 2010 Maybach. 😛
My son in law explained to me that most of those cars are sold on a 3 year lease. This means most of the big ticket maintenance items will be up to the second or third owner. Someone who buys a mass produced CUV expects it to last a good 7 years or so with reasonable maintenance costs.For the Mercedes lessor, that will be someone else’s proble.
“Is the lesson that car companies really shouldn’t be run by engineers?” No, it’s not.
As a TTAC commenter wrote on Paul’s Camaro Deadly Sin piece, “I remember reading an article at the time which interviewed both Roger Smith, and Toyoda-san, the head of Toyota at the time. Each was asked, ‘is your company in business to make cars, or to make money’? Smith answered, ‘of course, we are in business to make money’. Toyoda answered, ‘we are in business to make cars, and by making the best cars in the world, we will make money’.”
Roger Smith, GM CEO ’81-’90, named one of the “Worst CEOs of All Time”, drove GM from 46% to 35% market share and nearly bankrupted the place. Bachelor’s in business administration U. Michigan 1947, MBA U. Michigan 1953. Came up thru the money side, GM Treasurer 1970.
Rick Wagoner, GM CEO 2000 to its bankruptcy 2009. B.A. in Economics Duke 1975, Harvard MBA 1977. Like Smith, came up the money side of the business, GM CFO 1992.
Alan Mulally, ex-Boeing CEO now Ford CEO, has strengthened Ford’s product line and got a big line of credit before the Crash that kept Ford out of bankruptcy. BS, MS Aero/Astro Engineering U. Kansas 1969, MS Management, Sloan Fellow (yes GM’s Sloan) MIT Sloan School 1982. Mulally came up through the engineering side of Boeing, VP of Commercial Aircraft Engineering.
Jacques Nasser, Ford CEO ’98-’01, ran Ford into the ground and got fired, graduated in business from the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. Now CEO of a mining and gas conglomerate.
Donald Peterson, saved Ford with the ’86 Taurus/Sable. BS Mechanical Engineering U. Washington 1946, MBA Stanford 1949.
I’m not cherry-picking here, and I’m not claiming engineers always run companies better than MBAs, obviously not. But seriously, car companies should be run by engineers who have proven their excellence in the product side of the business.
As for Marmon, if the economy had picked up after the ’29 crash as it had after past crashes, Marmon would have done OK, maybe hailed as a genius. I’m not claiming he was a good businessman, just that the depth of the Great Depression was unforseen by most everybody.
That’s one beautiful car. I’m sure driving one of these now would be a challenge in modern traffic!
There’s a geunuine landau classic something running around my area. One of these days I’m going to catch it and get a shot or two of it with my camera and post it. I believe it to be a Mercedes, but can’t recall.
If there will ever be a way where auto engineers and bean counters can successfully merge their respective talents, there will be no limit as what can be designed! Form will then meet function in a wonderful way.
> auto engineers and bean counters can successfully merge their respective talents, there will be no limit as what can be designed! Form will then meet function in a wonderful way.
Aren’t you forgetting something? Charles Kettering, Harley Earl, and Alfred Sloan were the same notable company at the same time and produced not one, but a *series* of wonderful products, each more remarkable than the one before, leaving a legacy that lasts to this day (in a big way). I’ll call that merging of talents indeed. It hasn’t been replicated since, by the same or any other company.
I’ll give MikePDX that Sloan had an engineering degree, but he’s not known for that.
Kettering, Sloan and Earl were so great together they could be a team of Superheroes. Sloan was the brilliant MIT-trained product-oriented manager of the three, so much so that when he laid a big endowment on his alma mater it was for a school of management.
Jim, you’ve topped us all, with a superbly beautiful car (and superb write-up). There is a certain restraint to this car, especially in this body style, that I find highly compelling. It’s eminently desirable. I can’t take my eyes off it. And that shot really captures it perfectly.
So now I need to find a Bugatti Royale in the wild.
I remember listing a Marmon or a Stutz on my list of CC’s I would like to find in 2012 (https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/top-ten-curbside-classics-id-like-to-find-in-2012/) – but I never imagined that I would pass one on the highway. Had I known what it was at the time, I think that my Sunday plans would have changed.
I am just thankful that the shot came out like it did, and not like one of those blurry photos of Bigfoot. “Sure, JP, of course we believe that this black blur was the Marmon Sixteen that you saw on I-465”.
I look at that pic of the Marmon and I wonder if the original designers and engineers could have ever imagined their car still being operated well into the 21st century?
What do we design and build today that we expect to last for 75-100 years, beyond public works and buildings?
If this car could talk, what story would it tell us? It would have to be marvelous, to say the least. Thanks for that little respite from the workday, JPC!
Brilliant, just marvelous. Thanks for your eloquent tour of an elegant machine. Elegant inside and out. (That’s some firing order, I’d like to see its distributor cap.)
I always get terrible shots on the rare occasions when I can safely take pictures from behind the wheel. Coincidentally a nice Model A appeared on I-405 last evening, and took the same exit I did. This blurry ill-framed shot is the best of several by far. It’s hard to catch them on the fly! Not to mention a Marmon Sixteen, what a rarity. Good shooting Mrs. JPC!
Quite a coup, to have seen one of these in use and nailed such a nice photo of it!
Good catch Mr. JPC Sir!
However, a note about Marmon-Herrington should be added. After all, the Marmon company didn’t vanish altogether, it just (successfully) got out of the car business. It made some famous WWII stuff like an Armoured Car and a glider-able tank, and is otherwise famous for its 4WD axles and conversions.
Edit: Drat, just saw Paul’s later article about Marmon-Herrington.
Well done, Jim!
Marmon Sixteen: From the company that gave us Xbox and Boeing 787 Dreamliner!
First of all I gotta say “dynamite photo!” With it on the on the road, a little fish-eye lens effect (the front wheels are waaaaay out there and out of round compared to the rear wheel) the angle, it really looks sleek, fast and elegant. So much better than those static photos we all take at museums.
“……..but overall the Sixteen was an extremely modern and fresh design in the classic era. So much so, in fact, that its look was not universally popular in its day. Its bold and simple, yet powerful, lines represented some very advanced automotive design at the dawn of the 1930s.”
I found this comment:
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z10315/Marmon-Model-16.aspx
The Sixteen was a modern looking vehicle, but not a ‘radical’ one, and it bore no resemblance to any of the earlier Marmon’s. A hood that hid the water filler featured a raked Vee’d radiator “with (out?) any ornament or badge” (sic) while the doors extended down almost to the running boards. The fenders were constructed with the purpose of hiding chassis components. A very prominent beltline ran absolutely straight around the body which further accentuated a low-slung profile. A windshield was raked to match the radiator and the ultra-low rooflines.
With any modern design there will be detractors, as this may have been too “clean” for some.
Here’s a $500,000 freshly restored Marmon that showed up at a local cruise night. great to see any car being driven…….but even I would be trailer inclined.
http://autofile.ca/Article/379/Grand-Classic-Marmon-Sixteen-at-a-local-cruise-night
The value at the time was half a million? Funny how a rather prosaic, popular car like a Hemi Cuda could sell for one million dollars a few years ago. I got to see and hear a Cadillac V16 start up and run a few years back at a local Classic car show. This was a Friendship Day event that let you get right up to the car for a really close look.
Great sales pitch in that Nordyke & Marmon Co. ad: “Look into it.”
Wow! Such a find backed up by a superb write up.
I remember visiting the Canton Classic Car Museum in the early 1980’s and my father was so excited that they had a Marmon Sixteen. Being a kid I didn’t understand what the big deal was but I’ve come to appreciate these as some of the finest cars from the classic erased have been fortunate to have seen several more in person since then.
Interesting that two of the greatest American cars both came from Indianapolis, built by doomed manufacturers building what were then the finest cars in the world–Marmon and Duesenberg.
“Interesting that two of the greatest American cars both came from Indianapolis, built by doomed manufacturers building what were then the finest cars in the world–Marmon and Duesenberg.
Don’t forget Stutz.
Yes, we tried to build cars here in Indianapolis, but they were just too good for the rest of you people. 🙂
Indianapolis and Indiana in general has a far richer history of car building than they get credit for especially when you add in Stutz, Auburn, Cord, Studebaker and scores of other who had perished by the time this Marmon was built.
Look at what was available in 1932: Duesenberg J or SJ, Marmon Sixteen, Stutz DV32, Auburn V12 (which along with the Auburn 8 had to be the award winner for the most car for the least amount of money) and you probably could have found a leftover Cord L-29 pretty easily. All great cars and all from Indiana.
It’s been a while since I’ve gotten back to the ACD Museum in Auburn but they have a great collection of Indiana built cars. It is definitely worth the trip and I make a point to visit whenever I’m in the area.
You bring up an interesting mental exercise about 1932 cars built in the Hoosier state. The ’32 Studebaker President was not a bad car either, but I cannot add to your list off the top of my head. I am also guilty of not visiting the ACD Museum in a long time, and I only live 3 hours away. Likewise, I have not been to the Studebaker Museum in South Bend in years. There is supposed to be a small museum in the old Stutz factory that has become sort of an office complex for creative types with Apple computers. At 20 minutes from my driveway, I really have no excuse on this one.
A fine article Jim. I think I can safely say this is the CC Find of the Year!
For anyone interested in more info on Marmon, there is a nice article in the latest issue of Collectible Automobile. It’s on the 1930-33 models and includes the Sixteen. Some very cool photos, too.
These are wonderful cars that are often overlooked today.
Absolutely gorgeous. I just did a Wikipedia search and found a descendant of the company still exists today as “The Marmon Group”, division of Berkshire Hathaway…also there was a spinoff that made Marmon Trucks in the 60’s thru 1997.
I remember seeing Marmon Trucks, but have only read about the cars…and wondered if there was any connection.
Check out the couple of posts after this one, where Paul traced the subsequent history of Marmon-Harrington and Marmon trucks. There was a connection, although not in a direct line. M-H was formed as a joint venture that involved Walter Marmon, Howard’s brother. It was a fresh start-up, and was not a continuation of the defunct automobile company. Howard had no involvement with M-H, so far as I am aware.
The Ted Davis Collection in Oklahoma City includes a Marmon Sixteen. It is a lovely shade of green. I posted pictures of it on the internet. Also, I recall seeing many years ago a Sixteen at the Museum of Automobiles at Petit Jean State Park in Arkansas. The car had been owned by the Rockefeller family. Apparently the museum no longer has the car because the vehicle is not mentioned on the holdings list on the website.
I have an unused distributor cap for the Marrmington 16
Never fired.
Stroud I did not see the check to automatically notify me ,
Just doing a second run.
When a stock car was really a stock car (late 1931):
My father can still attest to how the Depression took its toll, with fine automobiles available for “pennies on the dollar.” Here’s someone’s Marmon Sixteen going for a song in 1938:
An exceptional find, especially out on a genuine public road.
Great reflexes are needed to make CC posts. If it had been me, I probably would have just gawked at this incredible car and drooled slightly.
Re: that ’20s Roosevelt submarque, complete with the little TR portrait. It’s the equivalent of launching a car today called “Clinton” or “Bush.”
The difference being, back then, TR was appreciated as a president by people whose political beliefs would never have let them vote for him in an election. And, he was one of the two truly great presidents we had that century.
Nowadays, if you can’t support a politician, you spend your life hating him with a passion.
Every time I think about this piece and this car I do a Google search to see if more info has turned up. I have now seen a couple of pictures of what may be this car, but they are places like Pinterest and a wallpaper site that tell nothing about the car itself. This is a photo from Pinterest. Same car? There were only 9 of these Victorias known to exist and I found no black ones when researching this in 2012.
But this one lacks a spare tire cover, so perhaps not.
Jim, again an excellent article from you.
Let me add several comments.
Howard Marmon, inspired by his exposure to the 1915 U-16 Bugatti 16 cylinder during his military experience in France during World War 1, acquired a lifelong passion for the 16 cylinder engine. In the twenties while at Marmon, Owen Nacker worked with Howard Marmon as a colleague on the initially designed V16 which, after Nacker left for GM’s Cadillac, became the basis of the then developed first series Cadillac OHV 45 degree V16.
Similarly James Bohannon, another of Howard Marmon’s colleagues took the engineering ideas of the first series Marmon V16 developments to the Peerless Motor Car Company which developed its own OHV V16 with remarkable similarities to the first Marmon V16 and the first series 45 degree OHV Cadillac V16. The first design series V16’s of Marmon, of Cadillac, and of Peerless were essentially siblings arising from the fertile engineering imagination of Howard Marmon.
After Nacker left for GM/Cadillac, Howard Marmon, likely sensing Naker’s transport of V16 intellectual property to GM, began the redesign of the Marmon V16 resulting in an essentially more advanced OHV V16 using a modern all aluminum monoblock incorporating the cylinders in a single casting with steel cylinder liners, as opposed to the separate aluminum crankcase and iron cylinder casting of the Cadillac and Peerless V16’s.
The key, more modern design feature of this second series Marmon V16 design was the use of a single twin barrel down draft carburetor with CROSS FLOW OHV cylinder heads, as opposed to the more archaic single barrel up draft carburetors used mounted outboard to the V engine REVERSE FLOW OHV cylinder heads of the Cadillac and Peerless. This resulted in improved air/fuel mixture flow into the newer Marmon V16 design and when combined with the higher compression ratio, 6.0 to 1.0 resulted in greater power (200 bhp) compared to the Cadillac’s 165/175 bhp (depending on who you read). (The later 1938 Cadillac smaller capacity, modern design 135 degree, 9 main bearing flat head, iron monoblock V16 had 185 bhp, as a comparison).
Paradoxically the second series Marmon V16 design used an archaic fork and blade connecting rod design, likely for the minimally decreased vibration by elimination of any possible rocking couple movement inherent in off-set connecting rods.
Because of GM’s financial clout, GM’s engineering staff strength, the Cadillac V16 was introduced first, beating Marmon to the market place, essentially swooping up virtually the entire potential V16 sales market. The developing Great Depression deflated the 1920’s economic euphoria and Jazz fizz into something like unappealing two day-old flat champagne. Marmon’s V16 and the Peerless stillborn V16 hoped-for potential sales market disappeared.
Marmon and Peerless survived by exiting the car making business. Peerless, as a subsequent brewery with flowing beer. Perhaps Jim, you could update us with a follow-up story about the follow-up life of Marmon and Howard Marmon after car production ceased?
Jim, please keep giving us your excellent insights into the Indiana car industry, which in the early days rivaled Detroit, Cleveland, and Buffalo.
Thank you for what we have come to expect from you, another sterling, well written article. Bravo!
Thank you Vic for these great insights into the design of the three V-16 engine designs of the early 30s. I used to believe it was only two designs until you enlightened us on the stillborn Peeress version.
There is not really much to tell about Howard Marmon’s life after the Sixteen. It seems that he pretty much retired to an estate in the mountains of North Carolina, where he lived until his death in 1943. It seems such a waste, really, that such a brilliant engineer spent his final decade or so in a life of travel, leisure and entertaining. But then again how would an engineer top something like the Marmon Sixteen? It seems that both the company and Howard Marmon himself went out of the car business on a high note. And if honest, I could think of a lot worse ways to spend the rest of my life than to do it like Howard Marmon did. 🙂
I saw one at an auction a couple years ago. The photos don’t adequately depict how spare and modern the car was. Striking machine.
Wow! What beautiful timeless design!
Thanks for reposting this one. What a gorgeous car!
IN MY EARLY HIGH SCHOOL – GRADE 9 OR 10, WHICH WOULD BE 1974 OR 1975 FOR ME – I WAS READING EITHER AN ISSUE OF MOTOR TREND OR CAR AND DRIVER, WITH AN ARTICLE AND FOLD-OUT PICTURE OF A MARMON 16. I WAS READING IT IN SCHOOL WHEN A CLASSMATE TORE IT OUT OF MY HANDS AND OPENED IT IT UP WITH A GENERAL YELL/ANNOUNCEMENT ” CENTREFOLD! ” I REMEMBER THE ARTICLE MENTIONED VERY HIGH TORQUE, AND THAT THE OWNER AT THAT TIME ( Jay _____ ) HAD SOMETIMES BROKEN THE REAR AXLE LOOSE.
A stunning car – and a great photo, especially for a BlackBerry (itself now a classic of sorts). I was surprised to see that Indianan Howard Marmon was a UC Berkeley Engineering grad. Like me … and like Bob Lutz. Thanks for re-posting.
I adjusted the valves (both of them) on my lawn tractor this weekend. I’d imagine it would take quite a while on this engine. I wonder if back in the day that was routine maintenance.
Pretty special car, glad you were able to get the picture .
After WWII Pops was in England and saw more than a few 1920’s & 1930’s Rolls Royces with the rear body cut down being used as farm trucks .
Anyone who really desires to experience a 1930’s driving experience needs look no further than a ‘A’ Model Ford ~ they’re cheap, parts are cheap and they’re fine for daily drivers .
-Nate
Love the information presented here. Walter Teague, Jr. used to live in Grandview, New York, just south of South Nyack. We patronized the same barber. I learned after his death, he was I think over 100 years of age, that he had written an autobiography. I found one of his sons online and he led me to where I could buy the book. It is an interesting read. Junior also had an ego, which is obvious in his autobiography. Undoubtedly, he created a brilliantly designed, beautiful automobile. He had a successful career in Industrial Design.
Fifty Eight years ago I got a copy of Tad Burness’ Auto Album through Scholastic Book Services…..I guess the contents were originally published in newspapers then compiled into the Auto Album book, and one of them was the Marmon 16…the 7th picture down was part of the entry as I remember. Guess it would have been compiled in the early 60’s and I wonder how many Marmons still existed even back then. I can’t imagine getting parts for one of these (guess you have to have a machine shop if you own one?) but it shows how exclusive these are. Congratulations, if you were a bird watcher you would probably have spotted whichever super rare one out there (I’m not one, so I don’t know the name of such a bird).
Tad also had a 1931 Imperial, as I recall as one of the really expensive luxury cars (guess somebody still could afford them during the depression)