(originally posted 3/6/2014) Finned, fresh and fantastic: The Forward Look Mopar cars shocked and awed both the buying public and the competition in the fall of 1956–but by the fall of 1957, it was all over. Despite both significant and superficial advances, a number of teething and quality issues led one of them, the Conquistador of the Mopar family, to fall on its sword.
I can’t help but think of DeSoto in the 1950s as the Mopar Oldsmobile. It packed a smaller hemi, much like the Olds Rocket V8 was simply a smaller version of the 1949 Cadillac V8 and born of the same school of thought. It shared the levels of attention to detail and engineering for which Oldsmobile was legendary. (Granted, Fluid Drive was woefully out of touch, and Powerflite was only slightly better at what it could do versus a host of other two-speed automatic transmissions.) And while Chrysler Corporation products of the 1950s, from the lowliest Plymouth to the most regal, disc brake-equipped Imperial, had a reputation for solid engineering, at General Motors only Oldsmobile projected a similar image of engineering prowess.
There was another, and unique, problem afflicting DeSoto: Created as a bet-hedging brand in case Dodge didn’t bow to a 1928 buyout by Chrysler, the two sibling brands fought mostly for the same market, often acrimoniously. DeSoto eventually moved (somewhat) out of the “$50 more than the ‘Popular Brands'” bandwidth that became a two-decade-long meal ticket for both Dodge and Pontiac, but now found itself bouncing up against Chrysler, which could never decide if it wanted to be a rival to Buick, Cadillac or Oldsmobile.
Flash forward to 1955. With somewhat of a brand identity (toothy grille) DeSoto launched, along with the other Mopar brands, their first Forward Look cars.
But even the most casual glance tells you that this is nothing but a retrimmed Chrysler Windsor. There weren’t as many of the detail differences in styling or engineering that separated, say, an Olds 88 from a Buick Century. The Chrysler (arguably) came off better looking while offering the snob appeal/brand cachet of being expensive. Combined, these elements would work themselves into a complete meltdown following a stunning performance in 1957.
Even today you can see why the styling feat Virgil Exner pulled off for 1957 was so breathtaking. Sure, the Plymouth fins are a bit stubby, the Dodge suffers from a bit too much bric-a-brac, and the Imperial shows some radius curves, but free of the fussy details and radius curves of Harley Earl’s creations, the Forward Look cars are pretty sharp and athletic.
The look works best on the Chryslers, with their simple “Cathedral” tail lamps, although it can come across as a bit austere on more basic trim levels, including this Windsor Sedan.
The fact that I like a little bit more jewelry on cars makes the DeSoto variants more appealing to my eye. The “Christmas Tree” tail lamps. The dart-shaped, two-tone panel. The ellipse exhaust outlets that match the jet intake grille. The whole look seems at once dated yet timeless.
The unique retrimming was enough to send nearly 118,000 DeSoto cars out the door in 1957, before the Eisenhower Recession sent people scrambling to buy Bel-Airs and Impalas, to get glamour in gargantuan sizes on the cheap, and to Ramblers for the more sane (in more ways than one). Nor were De Soto’s problems due solely to the recession.
The 1957 Chryslers were the second act of Chrysler’s willing self-mutilation right before the public eye. For all the advances, from the brilliant and influential Torqueflite automatic, the tight handling (for the times) Torsion Aire ride, and Total Contact brakes, came issues with workmanship, rust, and torsion bars snapping in half due to road salt. Quality in general suffered at all medium-price brands in the late 1950s, but it hit DeSoto, legendary for its rugged and respectable place in the automotive world, especially hard. Many mid-price buyers stayed away from the fatal beauty of DeSoto.
While it’s hard to believe the baroque barge that is the 1958 Oldsmobile could have been that better assembled (wouldn’t you forget to put a few washers where all that chrome has to attach?), it held onto its sales in the quarter-million range in 1958.
DeSoto did worse than even the all-new-for-1958 Edsel. Edsel sold 63,000 rattle traps (with flaming Tele-Touch Drive controls) versus DeSoto’s 49,500 better sorted-out 1958 line. More the pity, as the Fireflites that year were blazing performers. An often quoted figure in an old magazine test pegged a 305 hp, 361-equipped Fireflite as hitting 0-60 in 7.7 seconds, with a top speed of 115 mph. Pretty heady stuff when you consider a Super 88 from the same period was around a second slower (albeit faster all-out), and the massive 410 Cube-equipped Edsel Citation was a flat-out slouch, taking a full two seconds longer to reach 60 mph. Add in that crisp Torsion-Aire helm, and I probably would have been one of those 49,000 risk takers in 1958.
By this point, DeSoto was caught in a witches’ brew. Like the overlap of Ford, Edsel, and Mercury, DeSoto’s overlap was twofold: The bargain basement, Dodge-based Firesweep made no sense, especially considering that in 1958, Chrysler moved the Windsor to the same 122″ wheelbase Dodge chassis. What’s more, the poor Fireflite didn’t carry the marketing gravitas of an Olds Ninety-Eight or Buick Super, or even its New Yorker cousin.
A rather chunky 1959 face lift did no Mopar car any favors (except, perhaps, Dodge). De Soto’s identity was stripped even further with the unibody 1960s, just when DeSoto could have made a real impact with an all new body. Instead, it ended up what it was back in 1955: a fussier Chrysler.
And so that was DeSoto, a vegetable crosstown version of Oldsmobile. Just as Oldsmobile was staging a minor renaissance in the early 1960s, DeSoto had no control of its own fate, thanks to an ongoing conflict with Plymouth, Dodge and Chrysler. In the end, Chrysler pulled De Soto’s feeding tube full of gruel in the fall of 1960. Did it have to happen? It’s a question open to debate. Chrysler never gave its brands the engineering autonomy that would produce unique driving experiences that developed buyer preferences like a Rocket/Hydramatic Olds versus a Nailhead/Dynaflow-equipped Buick.
After work today, it was on Dolores Street that I found the ruins of a lost empire of finned trendsetters that once roamed the highways in such glorious technicolor wonder, you’d think Douglas Sirk had designed them. I walked away remembering this Fireflite as a testament to the fickle nature of the American consumer: one mistake, and you might lose them forever.
In my eyes these are beautiful pieces of art.
Indeed, that red one in San Francisco is definitely a work of art. If there were bigger version of that picture I’ll make it my desktop wallpaper. The car looked brand new, was the picture taken in its heyday?
Anyway, that taillight just scream Americana to me. The thing look like just like the car to pull into a 1950’s style dinner. With curbside service and waitresses on rollerskates, of course.
Here’s a photo set of the (modified) shots that I used for this piece. I think the “large” size should be the best resolution for downloading for a desktop. Enjoy!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/larsupreme/sets/72157627385000335/
Beautiful pics. Thanks.
Taillight and exhaust combined…gorgeous! No, breathtaking. That baby’s got a set o’ lights!
No, really though, they’re pretty. And a year younger than I am, and a lot healther looking. And in a lot better repair.
This article is FANTASTIC !! ..what works of absolute art the ’57’s were… and 0 to 60 in 7.7 is still pretty respectable even today 🙂
They are so GORGEOUS!!! …hey, i wonder if the Mark 111 Ford Zodiac stylists (yes, i do know it’s not a Mopar..lol) just took a wee tad of a played down rear styling outtake from the ’58 Fireflite?? (there is a remote baby cousin styling similarity to my mind, and the Mk111 Zodiac was always anyway one of the prettiest vehicles of the early ’60’s to my mind)
…do you see it??:)
🙂
We had a green Mk3 Zephyr 6 when i was a kid in the 60s.
snap .. my dad had a green one too! ..back then you had exactly TWO choices of interior colour ..bright red all over ..or two-tone green all over !
our’s was the ‘oyster green’ colour as it was called, with the green interior …however ..however, under the bonnet was a tiny 1703cc four cylinder engine (exactly two thirds of the lovely 2553cc six your dad must have had…)
the Zephyr 4 was a big fat.. S L U G ! haha…i learn’t to drive on it at age 12 and even then noticed how my 3 speed Raleigh bicycle seemed to have better standing start acceleration LOL
Yeah nice cars the Mk3 love em and a very popular car in NZ thankfully we didnt get many 4 bangers. Nor did we get the V4 MK4 model in fact even the 2.5 was deleted by 67/68 here
…yes, I remember the 2.5 V6 was introduced for 1966 only such was the resistance to it.. one saving grace was the four wheel disc braking but the Mark IV was an ugly misshapen brute with the spare wheel sitting up front at an angle adjacent to the radiator..the 3 litre Essex V6 wasn’t too bad for power – 140hp (both chokes of the Weber carb opened simultaneously) but was a shocker for loose rattling tappets within 5 minutes of an adjustment. Also the oil pump drive was horribly under engineered and looked like the tip of a moth eaten HB pencil end.
That being said the 3.0 Mark IV was good for 103 mph EXACTLY ! …not bad for a vast bonnetted mass of sheet metal about as ergonomic and good looking as a cut down coal truck on wheels.. haa
..sorry to be so hard on it but it was not such a nice automobile on so many accounts
Dad was horrified at the looks of the Mk4 and called it a British Edsel(he hated them despite being an American car fan).I liked them(and Edsels) and had a 2.5 V6 Zephyr.Dad bought a used Ford Falcon rather than a Mk4,I had a Zephyr 6 and found it reliable and comfortable.
The Zephyr 6 was a cool machine (mean Mks 1, 2, and 3) … once i was lined-up alongside with a lovely fresh (53,000mls from new) ’62 Zephyr 6 against an early AP5 225 (145hp) Valiant. The Mk 2 was manual, not sure whether the Val was torqueflite or manual …anyway off we went from a standing start down from the top of Pilkington Road heading down towards GI ….the little two and half litre Ford was absolutely ‘neck to neck’ with the big 3.7 Val right the way down the road when we were having to start to brake at around the ton because the roundabout was coming up a couple of hundred metres away …what bloody fantastic days they were …then you do something like this and get away with it time and again (it would have been 1966 ..at age 15) …these days good ole ‘big bro’ gets you off the road virtually instantly ..speed cams et al .. 🙂
..despite the bluff frontal appearance of the Mk 4 it could still handle well at speed ..at least in a straight line …one used to hold the throttle flat to the floor along the Ruakaka Flats at 103 mph for as long as that big old straight line of a road would permit (10 ..15mins??) ..and she would just sit there on those early Dunlop Aquajet 185 radials straight and true ..good thing there were very few local authority ‘traffic cops’ on the country roads in those days (mid-70’s) and no speed cams invented yet …but since the NZ police force has taken over ALL road traffic enforcement it has become miserable for miscreant petrolheads .. (sic) and safer for standard road users
Nice Car
Fabulous photography, as usual.
Great job Laurence – You nailed it!
DeSoto was never a strong enough brand to suffer a quality slump.Typically, it did about a third of the volume of Dodge and for the return that Chrysler made on its investment, should have been killed years before it happened.
That said, I’m glad that we did get to see these finned beauties before MoPar axed the brand.
Great piece!
I too have thought of the last few years of DeSoto as the years of really beautiful cars. The piece of trivia that sticks in my head however is that Mr. Cunningham had a DeSoto on “Happy Days”. This supposedly marked him as a boring old man, wonder what he’d drive today if the show was remade and set in the 1990s?
I always thought of “That 70’s Show” as an updated “Happy Days” – both shows were set in Wisconsin 20 years in the past, and they were produced by many of the same people. The father in that show gave his son the old Vista Cruiser when he got a new…ready?…Toyota.
Dude, it’s a Vista Cruiser, you can litterally cruise the vistas.
Maybe a Plymouth Acclaim. Or a Caravelle.
Mr. C in ‘That 90’s show’ would be in a 1992 Olds Cutlass Supreme sedan or Saturn SL, the ‘look alikes’.
My grandfather had one of these cars–I’ll have to ask my dad exactly what year (’59, I think). In the summer of 1960, he piled the family into the DeSoto and headed out from Tennessee on a summer road trip all over the American West. Grandpa was a delegate to the 1960 Democratic Convention in LA, and my dad, a college freshman, was able to sneak into the hall late one night to see JFK nominated. He still talks about the trip and about the DeSoto with the “pushbutton” automatic transmission.
A nice bit of writing about the last gasp of a long-gone brand! Around here these cars are either carefully preserved trailer queens or a pile of rust.
These cars were better styled than Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Edsel and Mercury in both 1957 and 1958. I would have to disagree about buying the DeSoto over the Oldsmobile. The 1958 Oldsmobile was better assembled than a DeSoto or Chrysler, and had superior rust resistance, as well. It did, of course, handle like a well-worn mattress, and looked like an overchromed brick. Concerns about rust probably weren’t as strong in the San Francisco area, but here in Pennsylvania, where municipalities have long been addicted to road salt, it was definitely an important factor.
Chrysler did improve its cars for 1958, but it never entirely licked the rust, leak and assembly problems that plagued this generation.
What’s fascinating about these cars is how quickly their impact faded. As the article mentions, they were a sensation in the fall of 1956, but within a year sales were nosediving, and never really recovered, even when the market staged a modest recovery for 1959. (Chrysler’s market share dropped dramatically from 1957 to 1959.) No doubt the quality problems hurt, but Ford built its share of clunkers in 1957, too. Ford, however, recovered nicely for 1959, almost matching sales of the all-new Chevrolet.
If I had been feeling a bit adventurous in 1958, I would have taken the four-seat Thunderbird, which, in many ways, was the car that rendered the 1957 Forward Look out-of-date, and had a much stouter structure and better rust resistance as well.
When I arrived in the US in 1960, cars like the DeSoto stumped me at first. So similar to the Chrysler…The whole badge engineering thing was a mystery to unravel, since it was almost non-existent in Europe then. Strange times, but what a legacy was left behind: Art cars.
Thanks for a great look at DeSoto’s last gasps. A Beautiful death.
Badge engineering non-existant in Europe ? It was rife in the UK in 1960 – only the badge distinguished a Morris Oxford from an Austin Cambridge.
Hillman Minx Humber 80 Singer Gazelle badge or grille engineered since 57.
Back in 1960, the UK wasn’t considered part of “Europe”.
Chrysler did it again with the LHS model in 1994. Perhaps it should have been labeled a Desoto as it was in direct competition with it’s New Yorker stablemate.
Great photos and fun article, if a bit choppy. I kind of like the 1957-58 DeSoto’s styling. Clever detailing made it surprisingly distinct from the Chrysler. The trouble is that it is hard to maintain such cleverness year in and year out when the bean counters insist on such minimal sheetmetal variation.
Wasn’t part of DeSoto’s problem in the early 1960s that Chrysler rearranged its divisions and dealer networks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSoto_(automobile)#Termination_factors Wikipedia pretty much nails it.
Quite a beauty you picked, great photos and nice writeup too! I must say though, that while the ’58 is gorgeous that ’54 (I think it’s a ’54) is the one I want to own.
It’s a ’53. I got schooled by the owner when I blurted out “so nice ’54 Firedome you have..” Oops….
I’ve always liked the 1957 and 1958 DeSoto styling, but the only one I ever owned was one I picked up with the engine apart, a 1957 Firedome 4-door sedan in coral and metallic gray. I stored it at a friend’s place for a few months, an offer to buy it came along, and off it went. I never even sat in it.
Not many years ago a red and white 1957 sedan turned up at a house a few miles from here. I stopped and talked to the guy, who was definitely not planning to sell, ever. I left my name and phone number anyway. The next time I saw it was just last year, sitting in front of a transmission shop. I walked around it and had a look. Even though it still had all original paint and the bumpers had never been hit, it was rusted out in every wheel cutout, the rocker panels, the rear door corners, and over both headlights, and the interior was a shambles except for a still-nice dash.
That’s pretty much the condition of the 1959 Firesweep coupe (front end) is in this piece. I don’t know if any of the pictures I got of it detailed how bad the rust was but everything that had immediate contact with road salt was bubbly or bondo’d.
There’s three sets of Forward Look cars parked on the streets of San Francisco, I think owned by 1 or 3 hoarders. The 1957 Windsor, and ’59 Firesweep belong to someone that lives near the USF campus (and who at one point had an Edsel, and still has a 1959 Mercury that I miss). The 1958 Fireflite sedan is owned by a guy that has two 1957 Dodges (a Coronet and Custom Royal) that belongs to the Freewheelers car club, an LGBT classic car club that often provides their cars for San Francisco Parade Duty.
And then there’s these sets http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2010/08/05/the-aging-pink-dodge-coronets-of-the-western-addition/ that I don’t know who they belong to.
Wonderful Laurence, how did I miss the clue? I’ve adored the DeSotos as my favorite Forward Look cars since they came out and blew my mind as a small child. Scrolling down through these beauties and into the ’58 Olds literally knocked me back in shock. Like the Mighty Wurlitzer showing up at a cool west-coast jazz club.
I just posted under “Cottage Grove Ain’t Exactly Pebble Beach” about the Portland Art Museum’s Allure of the Automobile exhibit. It’s a must-see for this gang. I bring that up here because at the Curb out front each Saturday is a free car show, with 50 to 80 local cars and their proud owners. Last week was Rods and Customs (including a gorgeous ’55 Nomad), this week it’s ***Mopar***. Bound to be some fabulous DeSotos.
http://specialexhibitions.pam.org/allure/events/carsinthepark827/
Worth the trip.
Much as I used to grimace at the 1958 Oldsmobiles growing up, the older I get (and oddly the more often I see them on the street. which is far more frequent than a concurrent Mercury, DeSoto or even Buick) I see how it could have been a better looking car with less chrome, and less of a “Crab legs” stance. It’s grown on me but still the DeSoto is miles away in styling.
But it’s very interesting that both of them were design dead ends, the GM Cars being baroque in the amount of chrome shellacked on them, The Mopars being so wildly finned.
If I recall correctly, Oldsmobile and Pontiac were the two only medium-price cars that didn’t have major quality problems during the 1956-57 time period. That undoubtedly helped them during a difficult time. Oldsmobile captured fourth place in sales during 1958, and was actually in third place for one or two months. Pontiac took off in 1959, when the split-grille “Wide Track” models debuted.
When I think of DeSoto, I think of Groucho Marx. DeSoto sponsored his classic game show, “You Bet Your Life”. Lots of clips and ads on YouTube, here’s a few:
’58 grand introduction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f53BJ_zZ17c
’57: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8QbjpUoX40
Agreed, if it wasn’t for Marx nobody would have remembered the De Soto ever existed.
The DeSoto was, to me, the best looking of the 57-58 Forward Look cars, with maybe the Chrysler 300 as the sole exception.
In 1957-58 Chrysler went brand for brand with GM, but had none of the product differentiation. All had the same running gear, a limited number of engines, and looked and felt very similar. Chrysler brands were always more interchangeable with Mopar buyers than GM’s brands were with GM buyers.
Also, starting in 1958, the bottom fell out of the medium price market. What buyers were left there were probably reluctant to spend their money on something that was not going to last. GM’s mid priced lines held up fairly well, but GM owned those markets then anyway.
A great find.
Interesting how both Ford and Chrysler tried to mimic the Sloan Ladder, and both failed badly. And neither to this day can do a luxury brand right, though sometimes in the past they’ve come close.
And is it just me or are there a lot of parallels between the “Forward Look” Chryslers and the ’90s LH Chryslers?
Particularly interesting to me is that after Ford failed so badly at the Sloan method, it started building most everything under the Ford brand, eventually causing GM to so overload the Sloan ladder that it collapsed of its own weight. It is a pity that GM couldn’t see that all it had to do was play its own game, but instead it started playing defense to Ford. Massive unforced errors.
Wasn’t that because GM (or at least the folks in the Chevrolet Division) had a rather unhealthy obsession about Chevy outselling Ford?
I think that’s mostly because of Greed. The same thing that later on killed GM’s Oldsmobile and Pontiac as well,. The Sloan ladder worked back in the 1940s and 1950s when each car makers don’t have too many cars. Chevrolets are actually cheaper than the Buicks, Olds, etc., and the upscale makers don’t have small cars. Nowadays there are $45,000 Taurus that has as much advanced features as a Lincoln, so there are no room for Mercurys (and Lincolns). Same thing in Chryslers. Desoto died because Dodge and Plymouth offer cars as big as, as fancy as, and featured the same engines that Desoto does, not to mention Chryslers, built on the same chassis. I’m sure a lot of it is due to dealer pressure. A Dodge dealer would want the profit margin that premium car commands, they don’t care to be told to steer their richer customers to their competitors with Desoto or Chrysler dealers down the road.
At the same time, Olds and Pontiac dealers want the volume that cheaper cars brought. SO each makers now have full-line of cars, with 8 or more separarate models, competing with each other, and there’s just not enough buyers or money in the corporate coffers to do all that and be profitable.
I forgot that I made that connection in the comments when I wrote the LHS piece a few weeks ago and totally forgot to draw parallels in this piece.
But a good counterpoint was made by another commentor: By the mid 1990s family sedans were no longer Chrysler’s focus in the Marketplace, The various Jeeps, and the Minivans were their gravy, so the relative failure of both Cab Forward generations (the look eventually getting stale and the quality mechanical issues) weren’t as debilitating as it was during the Forward Look, or the Aspen/Volare Twins which were Chrysler’s bread & butter replacements in the late Seventies…
I always liked the triple taillights on the Desotos, and prefer them over the Chryslers – especially the 1957-59s. My mom’s first car was a 1959 Dodge Custom Royal, but those are as rare as the Desotos these days. I’ve only seen a couple over 15 years of going to car shows.
Has anyone seen the new 1/64 diecasts from M2? They’ve got ’55 and ’57 Desotos, a ’57 300C and ’57 Custom Royal, among others. I’ve got quite a few of them!
Funny you should mention it…
But the proportions are a bit suspect. Looks like M2 took about 20″ from behind the front seat.
I’ve got the full set…they still need to do an Imperial though.
One can only wonder what might have been if, instead of letting Desoto die, Chrysler had kept the marque around just a year longer into the disasterous 1962 model year. Desoto might have gotten the styling that was originally intended for the 1962 Dodge/Plymouth before Newburg pulled the huge boner of crash restyling on an overheard conversation at a Detroit party.
From the artist’s renderings, it’s entirely possible that a 1962 Desoto with the original Dodge/Plymouth styling could have outsold Dodge/Plymouth combined, maybe even getting to the coveted number 3 spot behind Ford and Chevy. That definitely would have given Desoto a new lease on life.
As it was, when it quickly became apparent that the 1962 Dodge/Plymouth full-size cars were losers, Chrysler hastely cobbled together the rear of the new, low-priced Chrysler Newport with a different, traditional front end and sold what was called the Dodge 880 from 1962-1965. It sold reasonably well and it seems like the 880 was almost exactly what Desoto was intended to be from the beginning. The 880 might have sold even better if it had been marketed as a Desoto rather than a Dodge.
Interesting conjectures. I’ve felt that the last Newports of the late 70s seemed more like DeSotos also.
Chrysler showed reporters photos of the “1962 DeSoto” before the line was unceremoniously dumped in late 1960, and it was a Chrysler with a slightly different grille.
There was no way that Chrysler would have given DeSoto the styling originally planned for the 1962 Plymouth. The original 1962 Plymouth was basically a longer, wider version (with curved side glass) of the Plymouth that did debut for 1962.
If Chrysler had introduced its 1962 line as originally envisioned by Exner, with all of the full-size cars from Plymouth to Imperial following a similar theme, the DeSoto probably wouldn’t have sold very well. The DeSoto (and Chrysler) originally planned for 1962 wasn’t all that attractive, as it featured many awkward gimmicks and “different” proportions. Compared to that year’s Oldsmobile and Buick, DeSoto would have been a tough sale.
Supposedly, a Chrysler stylist saw the approved 1962 DeSoto prototype about six months after the decision was made to kill DeSoto completely, and was glad that the corporation had decided not to build it. He thought it already looked awkward and dated, especially compared to what GM and Ford were building at the time.
One set of “1962 DeSoto” photos is here:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1960s-chrysler-concept-cars3.htm
Looks like what the ’62 Dodge should have been.
The Forward Look forum has some fascinating photos and discussion, some from people who were there, including a bigger “1962 DeSoto”:
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34724
I’m a newcomer here.
We could go a step further by wondering, what if they go with the idea originally proposed by Don Kopka as showed at http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1960s-chrysler-concept-cars1.htm The front end was similar to the full-size Mercury of the same era, which might be not a big concidence since Don Kopka later worked for Ford.
The How Stuff Works article mentions DeSoto’s “looser attitude” as one of the reasons it got shitcanned. I remember another car in the late ’50s that also had a looser’s attitude-Pontiac. Bring in Bunkie Knudson, widen the track, give it great styling, and have Smokie Yunick build some winning NASCAR cheaters. Bam! up to #3 in sales by ’63. Chrysler gave up on the DeSoto because the company was run by a bunch of losers. It’s all about the product,baby!
DeSoto was dead meat, as with Edsel. GM’s BOP and Mercury were way ahead with styling and features for 1961-62 model years, and the ‘plucked chickens’ of Exner were as dated as 1946 models then.
“Chrysler pulled the feeding tube of gruel in the fall of 1960. Did it have to happen? It’s a question open to debate.”
It is, they could have just as easily pulled it from Plymouth.
I don’t think any manufacturer ever had as much internal turmoil as Chrysler did.
It was an odd beast, engineers that could have ruled the world if given the chance, designers that could put anyone to shame if left alone and management that just couldn’t put it together or wouldn’t let it happen..
If you want to see some “inside” views on DeSoto as well as the entire ChryCo line from these yaers hit Allpar and read Curtis Redgap’s personal history. His family owned a non-franchise dealership from WWII through 63 or 64.
I’ve read it 3 times now, you won’t be let down.
http://www.allpar.com/history/inside/plymouth-1.html
Fascinating read!
Thanks Birddog. Great history lesson!
In 1957, Plymouth sold over 760,000 cars to DeSoto’s 118,000. Even in 1959, Plymouth managed to sell over 400,000 cars, while DeSoto couldn’t even move 50,000.
There was simply no way that Chrysler would have dropped Plymouth and saved DeSoto at that time.
While there was simply no way that Chrysler should have dropped Plymouth, they made conscious decisions at that time that ultimately did eliminate Plymouth. They gave Dodge a rebadged Plymouth. They tried launching the Valiant without a Plymouth badge. They refused to allow Plymouth to form a separate distribution network. They starved Plymouth of development funds and then took anything Plymouth managed to develop anyway and let Dodge have a version of their own. Looking back at what went on, it is enough to question whether or not Chrysler should have been bailed out the first time.
Well, at least Plymouth got the full sized Furys back in the showrooms for 1965. But when Ply. did do something on their own, like Duster and Road Runner, Dodge got a badge job of it.
Interesting figures, Geeber. For perspective, even Studebaker sold over 126,000 in 1959. In 1958, before the Lark and when Studebaker was relying on the Champion Scotsman for volume, DeSoto managed to beat Stude by only 5 thousand units. Not good.
Love the ’58 Desotos. I nominated this model for Jalopnik’s ’10 best taillights’ poll, but nobody else even commented on my selection. Philistines.
Kinda like the look of these but our Mopars were rebadged Canadian models not US so they dont match up. I could never figure whether DeSoto was upper range or lower end and now it doesnt matter coz its gone.
We got quite a few “Plodges” from Canada in the 50s.I saw a black and white 56 DeSoto convertible in a magazine a few years ago that was really a Plymouth with DeSoto grille and badges.Selling a humble Plymouth or Chevy as a Dodge,Pontiac or any other make a step up the ladder was very confusing.
laurence, nice article and beautiful photography. thank you.
Needs more Shoe:
Good catch!
Love those Desoto’s !
You have to remember those 0-60 times were done with skiny tires,and the roads,test tracks were not as good as today(some even n dirt roads,wet roads or sandy beach at Daytona beach ),meaning that 7.7 second 0-60 could be 6.2 seconds with modern tires and modern track.Add launch control,4.17 first gear like a new 6 speed automatic car it will run in the low 5 second range.
I know a 354 HEMI 56 Chrysler burns rubber on take off slowing the times down,as my 1968 Chrysler 300 with a 440 TNT,3.23 gear,727 auto ,recorded times for that are disturbingly slow(because of spinning tires on take off even spins at a 20 mph roll) vs reality when you know the car moves quicker then my 2012 Challenger RT HEMI on take-off when you can get it to somewhat hook up,the 30-80 mph roll times when it hooks destroy most modern cars,or equal to higher end 400 plus hp new cars..
Many 60’s- 70’s Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth and even Ford/Merc GM cars with bigger engines,times are off because of loss of traction.
..a very good point that you make here !
I’d still buy one today in a heartbeat. These beauties are about as scarce as hen’s teeth.
I’ll have to make due with my ’56 Dodge Regent in the meanwhile. 🙂
That’s if spring would ever get here.
If they had never made anything else, DeSoto would still have a place in history just for the “signal tower” tallights.
Absolutely, those triple-tower taillights are, in my view, one of the most singular defining design cues of any classic American car (next to Buick’s portholes, maybe). Of course, color me prejudiced, having experienced my grandmother’s ’56 DeSoto Firedome back in the day. I have always loved these Forward Look DeSotos, even moreso than the Chryslers. BTW, what has become of Laurence Jones? Loved his writing style and photo work.
Laurence Jones, wherever you are, come back and write more articles and share more photos like this. You do such good work.
+1, I miss those great photos
True dat.
Glad to see the re-posting of this article, which I did not see the first time around, but what happened to Laurence Jones? I enjoyed his photography and well written stories, and I noticed about a year ago that his contributions had stopped.
So much nicer than the GM and Ford opposition.I prefer the 55/56 models but would happily have a later one in my lottery winners garage.DeSotos are rare in TV and film,I remember the one in Vertigo,don’t remember ever seeing Mr Cunningham’s DeSoto in Happy Days and Spike had 2 in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.I wouldn’t mind a 150 year old boyfriend who likes punk rock,wears black nail polish and drives a DeSoto!
One of our cable channels has been showing reruns of the old Highway Patrol show from the 1950s. Although the 1955 Buicks seem to be most remembered, there were some episodes from 1958-59 where Broderick Crawford and the rest of the crew were driving Mopars. So, coincidentlly, were most of the crooks, including one really sweet DeSoto convertible of this vintage.
Thanks JP,I saw a few episodes with the Buick,never knew about the Mopars.
In Tom McCahil’s opinion, the ’57 Buick highway patrol car was the best US car. I remember him touting the heavy duty wheels as one of his reasons. I thought he was crazy. But when I tried cornering in a spirited manner in my ’57 Chevy, the outside front hubcap was prone to popping off due to wheel flex. Man, I hated chasing that hubcap.
Really? He actually hated the 1957 Buick and thought they were crap:
“The ’57 Buicks handled “like a fat matron trying to get out of a slippery bathtub.”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/07/editorial-in-praise-of-tom-mccahill/
Maybe the patrol car was better, still, McCahill preferred Mopars for their superior handling, and owned Imperials because he thought they were the best US cars.
In talking about how the quality level of the 1957 Chrysler “Forward Look” models went downhill, I wonder if the death of Carl Snyder, the Operations Manager of Chrysler in the Grand Canyon plane crash of June 30, 1956 had something to do with it:
http://www3.gendisasters.com/arizona/2417/winslow%2C-az-airplane-crash%2C-jun-1956?page=0%2C2
No, most of the problems with these cars were baked in long before June of 1956. The problem was not a simple one of sloppy assembly. The problem was that even a company of Chrysler’s then-considerable engineering resources needed longer than 2 years to bring out a completely new line of cars (three lines, actually). Considering that the cars introduced new suspensions (front and rear), frames, bodies, as well as substantially revised engines and wide scale rollout of the brand new Torqueflite tranny, these cars were highly ambitious undertakings. Almost nothing on these cars carried over from 1956. They just needed more time to get things done properly.
Gonna say, the Desotos’s Torqueflite was superior to Old’s auto once they came out, as was the torsion bar suspension.
Falls Flat on its Face? Hardly. This example may very well have been Exner’s finest masterpiece. Just look at it! Polarizing in the extreme. Love it or hate it there was never styling like this before and there would not be ever again. Imagine what old K.T. Keller would have thought if he had ever laid eyes on this.
Sure they were rushed to production, with crappy fit and finish, and the styling proved to have a short shelf life. Still this car epitiomized a 1958 America on the verge of the space age. Boundless optimism and an attitude that we could do (and build) anything we wanted.
K. T. Keller undoubtedly saw these, as he remained chairman of Chrysler until he retired in 1956. It was he who had sought out Exner, and he who promoted Exner ahead of longtime Chrysler people as head of styling. Keller will forever be remembered as the champion of the boxy conservative cars of the 1940s-early 1950s, but he was also the driving force behind the new look after he realized that he had been wrong about postwar styling trends. If those who followed him had been anywhere near the skill and integrity that Keller had, Chrysler would have been a lot better off. Perhaps his biggest failing was in not doing a better job of cleaning house of some of the junior exec level earlier in his career.
Going back to when I was a little kid, I’ve very much liked all the tailfin Mopars Even the other ones like Cadillac, but not as much as the Mopars. I especially like the 1957-58 models. but my favorite Desoto of the period was the 1960 2-door, the next to the last Desoto. To me, an outstanding and timeless design. Over the years I’ve actually seen and had the opportunity to buy a few of the short run of 1961 DeSotos, which I found much less attractive. But I know the 1961s are very rare, and perhaps more collectible as the last year.
‘Much less attractive’ 1961s? You have a real gift for understatement – those things are freakin’ mutants! The designers must have been taken with the ‘timeless beauty’ of the ’58 Lincoln.
http://carblueprints.info/eng/view/desoto/desoto-fireflite-1961
This is a terrific post – and beautiful to look at.
I’m a big fan of the ’58 Chrysler and DeSoto. If I get into old cars again, a 4 door hardtop would be at the top of my list.
Chrysler history would have been so different if these had been introduced with solid quality and have been succeeded by the most of the ’63 cars in ’61 – then bring on the ’65s!
DeSoto was doomed when Dodge started to make better equipped and more luxurious cars and Chrysler made cheaper cars.Why buy a DeSoto when you can save a few bucks and buy a Dodge or splash out a bit more for a Chrysler?When Edsel outsells you you’re in trouble.
Shoot, I thought Lawrence was back until I checked the date of this piece. Where has he gone? We need more of his perspective and great photography.
Superb photos.
YO TENGO UNO Y LO ESTOY RESTAURANDO SOLO ME FALTAN LOS CUARTOS TRASEROS Y EL ESPEJO RETROVISOR DEL TABLERO.
yeah I don’t like your article title either.. falls flat on its face?
More like brushed under the rug by Chrysler and buyers.
It was considered a very “expensive” car at the time so it scared off any low priced buyers. They certainly didn’t fall flat. Maybe this was clickbait? 🙂
Chrysler used the Desoto name on many cars in export markets in 1950s. Often renamed Plymouths.
The ’57 Mopars set the proportions of a full-size car that dominated from then until the second gas crisis and held through the last Ford Panthers.
Getting beaten in sales by the Edsel was surely a death knell. RIP to the DeSoto line. Falling flat on its face is an apt descriptor.
I guess I had to be there to like them.
GM being the Big Dog seemed to be the model for Detroit and Kenosha.
GM’s five divisions just worked for them.
The idea of turning Ford, Chrysler and AMC into a five division manufacturer seems preposterous, but there you are, right?
Something in those 1950 cocktails?
Desoto was never needed.
Imperial was never needed.
Edsel was never needed.
Mercury was never needed.
Oldsmobile was never needed.
Continental was never needed.
What we finally got down to since 2010 is about how it should have always been. Just because GM was the Big Dog, doesn’t mean everyone else had to copy them.
When I was a kid, my aunt Geraldine owned a 1958 DeSoto. I thought it was the most beautiful car I ever saw. They still strike me as art on wheels. Simultaneously, my brother in law drove a 1957 Plymouth. Across the hood was spelled PLYMOUHT. Never saw that before or since.
Rollout of the ’57 models—-perhaps one of everything here:
There’s a ‘59 Fireflyte sedan near us in Toronto that we see during the summer – cream, with the spear on the side in coral. A little bit of rust, and the chrome could use some work but it’s in pretty nice shape for a 60-year-old car in Ontario. I always liked the Mopars of this time period despite their flaws, and a (well-sorted) one is on my automotive bucket list.