blue fastback 1600 TL posted at Cohort by Alberto Simon
(first posted 1/19/2017) This post started out as a quick little Outtake about how odd it was that this Brazilian “Type 3” (“T3”) 1600TL fastback had such a different roof than the German T3 Fastback, to go along with its different front end. But as I looked at it some more I realized that this car is essentially different in every respect to the German T3. What gives?
Turns out that what is called the Brazilian T3 isn’t a T3 at all; it’s a T1 (Beetle) poorly disguised as a T3. And there’s a reason.
What became the Brazilian 1600 was originally developed as the prototype EA97 in Germany to be a new VW model to either slot in between the Beetle and the new T3 (1500/1600), or possibly replace the Beetle altogether. VW had developed a long line of Beetle replacements in the 50s and 60s, and the EA 97 was one more, although in this case it’s claimed that it was to slot in between the Beetle and T3.
Just why anyone thought that was going to work is a good question, given the fact that the real T3 (above) also sat on the same length wheelbase as the T1 (on a widened platform), although it did have a number of differences, like a unique front torsion bar suspension, steering, and a wider rear track. And of course it had the “pancake” engine, with its blower mounted low to allow for a luggage compartment above it, even in the notchback sedan.
The differences between these superficially similar cars become more obvious upon closer examination: no vent windows on the front door, the narrow rear track, but most importantly, that seam in the rear quarter panel, right above the rear wheel. The EA97 used the Beetle’s 1200cc engine intact, including its tall, upright blower, so the there is no rear luggage compartment. And it used the Beetle’s front suspension, brakes and steering. The dashboard was simpler and used a Beetle speedometer. These differences were all for the sake of a simpler and cheaper to build car, in keeping with its intended mission.
According to the information that’s readily available on the web, the EA97 was built in a small series of 200 (or 100 in some accounts) before the plug was pulled. The gap between the Beetle and T3 was acknowledged to be just too small. If 200 or 100 were built, they would have been pilot/prototype cars, built largely by hand and with some limited tooling. And at least two do survive, including the one in the VW Museum, and this red one.
After a few years, VW apparently decided to send whatever tooling there was, along with the blueprints, to their rapidly growing operations in Brazil, which was wanting a more upscale model. Supposedly, the ship that carried the machines/tooling sunk near the shore of Brazil. But the ship was raised and the tooling rescued, although it needed a bit of oil and such to get it back to working condition.
But what was actually built in Brazil wasn’t exactly quite the same as the EA97, the biggest difference of course being that it was now a four-door sedan, which was deemed to be what the market for more upscale cars demanded. At this point I’ll interject that VW made two big mistakes with their German T3: it should have had a couple of inches longer wheelbase than the Beetle, and a four door should have been available. The T3 was never competitive in terms of interior space, as its rear seat was only marginally better than the Beetle’s, which was perpetually criticized as lacking in leg room. As such, the T3 could never properly compete against the Opel Rekord and Ford Taunus, and hampered its long-term success.
The Brazilian 1600 arrived in 1968 (model year 1969) with four doors, but of course it still sat on a widened Beetle platform, so leg room wasn’t really improved. And it arrived with a revised front end and rectangular head lights, which were a brief hot fad at the time in Europe. So given the change to four doors, and the revised front end, it’s somewhat questionable just how much actual tooling was on that ship.
But what did stay intact is the use of the upright-blower Type 1 (and T2) engine in the Brazilian 1600 notch sedan. Here’s a cutaway, clearly showing the T1-type engine and front suspension.
Two versions were offered: a single carb with 50 PS DIN (shown here), and a dual carb version with 60 PS DIN. That does not coincide with the German 1600, which had 45 and 54 PS DIN for the two 1600 versions. Note also the rear fuel tank.
The rear tank did give the 1600 four door notch a relatively large front trunk, compensating somewhat for the lack of a rear trunk.
The dashboard wasn’t at all like a Type 3.
Sales for the VW 1600 turned out to be quite modest, and the front headlights were quickly changed to quads, not that it helped much. The lineup was soon expanded with a two door Variant (wagon) and fastback.
Here’s the two fastbacks together, for comparison. The doors might look identical, but according to an owner in Brazil, they’re not quite, which confirms my own conclusion after staring at them both for too long. The fuel tank was moved to the front on the fastback and Variant, to make room for the trunk, as well as for better weight distribution. But the filler door is on the opposite side than of the German T3, whose picture here has been flipped to make the comparison.
No here’s where things get a bit more interesting. Although actual written info is not to be found on the web, the picture further up of the sedan’s engine clearly shows that it used the T1 style engine, as in the EA97 prototype. But obviously that wasn’t going to work with the Variant, which arrived in 1970 (or 1969), which had a fairly low rear cargo floor. Note also that it had only a single rear side window, unlike the T3 Variant. Apparently this Variant was also conceived in Germany as an EA97…variant. And one source says that the long single window was designed to have enough flexibility to be cracked open at the rear without actual hinges at the front.
Presumably that was not the case for the Brazilian version, as there was an optional vent window. It’s a bit hard to imagine not having an opening rear window in a hot country like Brazil.
Here’s the T3 pancake motor under the rear cargo floor of the Brazilian Variant. Apparently it took VW of Brazil a year or so to get the pancake engine in production, and for that matter, the notch sedan body just wasn’t designed to take advantage of it. That may also be in part why the sedan didn’t sell well.
I strongly suspect that the Variant quickly became the top seller, and it went on to have a long life (more on that later).
The fastback “TL” body came along one year later, best as I can tell. And although there’s no visual proof available on the web, there’s no question that it too used the pancake engine, given the low liftover height of the rear lid, which undoubtedly housed a fairly generous trunk. And the rear seat back folded down, making for a large cargo area.
In 1972, the 1600 was given a new front end, quite similar to the one that the German 411 got the same year, turning it into the 412. And the four door notch sedan was replaced by this four door fastback. It was commonly called ‘Coupé Quattro Portas’ (Four Door Coupe), and the ad states that it conveys “status with more than two doors”. With the notchback sedan gone, the upright blower engine went bye-bye too. All of the 1600s now used the pancake engine, which is undoubtedly why they’re almost universally referred to as Type 3s.
Here’s a shot from the rear. Oddly, it looks better than the two door fastback, which looks a wee bit primitive.
Although that’s improved some with the new nose.
And here’s the face-extended Variant.
By 1970 or so, VW of Brazil was feeling the same problem that VW in Germany had been having, and what led to the creation of the EA97 in the first place: the Brazilian Beetle was getting old, and they identified the need to supplement it. The result was the 1973 Brasilia, which although using the same basic T1 underpinnings, was shorter, and did use the T1 type engine, despite the tall blower, although it was squared off some at the top.
That resulted in a high rear cargo floor, and a higher lift-over for the rear hatch. But no matter; the Brasilia became a hit, and was the volume leader for some time. And it’s become a cult classic in Brazil. It was made until 1982 (CC here).
There was even a four-door Brasilia.
The Brasilia was made until 1982, by which time it had been replaced by the Gol, which was FWD but still used the aircooled engine up front, at least for the first some years. Later versions used the modern inline watercooled fours, and the Gol was eventually sold in the US as the VW Fox. CC’s Gol history is here.
Variant II posted at Cohort by Alberto Simon
In 1977, the 1600 underwent a major transformation, but only for the Variant, as the other body styles were now discontinued, replaced by the more modern FWD Passat. It got a major restyle, and under that sharp nose was a strut suspension, similar to what was used in the German 411/412. That increased its front trunk space, among other things. And it finally got the double-jointed semi-trailing arm rear suspension. It was now called Variant II.
The styling of the Variant II clearly echos that of the Passat. It’s a bit questionable as to why the Variant II was even made, but presumably it was a matter of cost and utilizing the huge tooling for air cooled cars. As it is, it only lasted for some four years, ending in 1981. Not surprisingly, the Variant II is sometimes confused with the Brasilia, but its longer rear overhang is one key tip off.
This is the end of the line for this family of cars. What started out in Germany as a cheap Beetle alternative ended up being closer to a 412. Which is rather appropriate, sort of making the jump from Type 1 to Type 4, as it was never a genuine Type 3. But who’s counting?
Related reading:
1969 VW 1600 T3 Fastback: Fast in Name Only PN
VW Brasilia – Another Alternative Universe Brazilian VW Robert Kim
I’m pretty sure I read at the time that the “new” Type 3 Fastback had that flexing rear side window, with no actual hinge.
The glass did bend on the T3 Fastback, no hinge. I owned several back in the day. I always thought that was interesting how the 1/4 glass could bend like that.
Quite confusing and worse a four door Variant type wagon resembling some of these was on sale online in NZ how the hell did it end up here or was there a German model like that, the ad claimed it was the only one in the country but now I’m wondering just where it came from, VW Brazil certainly knew how to shuffle the parts bin, GMH was pretty good at that and fooling all the punters but they could have learned a thing or two from these guys.
There never was a German 4 door Variant, or a Brazilian one either. It must have been a Brasilia 4 door hatch, which looks a lot like the Variant.
Long ago expired listing or I could vacuum it up and repost it here, we do have lots of the Brazilian Kombi vans here so an oddball sedan shouldnt be a shock.
you don’t know , not a German one but they made a Brazilian Variant tl 4 portas just look on google images , the Brasilia 4 door was export only mostly to Africa
It was the 4dr Brasilia,which sold only a few units mostly for taxi usage.It was exported in larger numbers .The 4 dr Brasilia was available with a single carburetor single port heads
In general it is quite fun to walk about Brazilian cities and guess car brands.
You think you have seen and know it all, untill you come here.
You are very right! I am in Rio right now on holidays and I have been coming here annually (from Australia) for 11 years. The ranks of those old unique Brazilian hybrids are thinning out fast. Even VW Kombi numbers are in rapid decline. VW still seems to have some models unique to this market (eg GOL) but those fab Fords for example are collectors cars now. A pity!
I concur after travelling in South America for three months recently.
Thankfully, I have a friend in São Paulo who’s hardcore petrolhead and has helped me with identifying the mystery vehicles on the road.
Looking at the front door of the fastbacks, I’d say the difference is where the A-pillar meets the body.
Yet another example of what makes CC so great. Thanks Paul.
Yes, that’s what I noticed too. The curves/angles are slightly different there. But the door may be somewhat smaller too; a Brazilian owner states that he had to shorten a replacement rubber door seal by an inch or two that came from Germany for a T3.
Finally, a much-needed recap on that weird Brazilian Ze Do Caixão (coffin nose) — thank you, Professor Niedermeyer! Such a convoluted story, what with the sinking ship and the fake Typ 3 twin-look of some of them.
Why do things simply?
Just a nitpick about the DIN output on those 1600s — I’m no expert, they seem a bit high. I’m seeing the German twin carb more in the 50 PS DIN range, (46 in single carb).
Right you are. I mixed up some SAE numbers or something. The German 1600 had 45/54 hp DIN, single/dual carb.
Hi,I am going to make a counterpoint here: what really killed the ” Volks de Quatro Portas” or Four Door Volks as it was called in Brazil,as the name Fusca was still on its infancy for the Beetle ,and Ze do Caixao was years away ,anyway the problem was the fire on the factory in 1969 that decimated the painting department and VW had to source outside companies to finish the car,VWOB decided to kill the car that cost the same as the Ford Corcel ,of Wyllis Renault origins .It was a hit with taxi drivers that drove these cars to the ground
“Zé do Caixão” actually means “Coffin Joe”. It’ s a weird character from low budget horror movies made by a nuthead Brazilian director/producer, somewhat in the line of Sam Raimi. The notchback VW 1600 had no chance against the Ford Corcel (re-styled Renault 12) and the Chevrolet Opala (alias Opel Rekord C), both in looks and driving ability. Outsider from the start, it soon acquired that derisive nickname and was replaced by the more successful fastback and wagon versions.
Ze do Caixao sedan is named by people for the scary film producer Jose Mojica aka ze do caixao or in America coffin Joe he died last year, the 1600 sedan is so ugly it’s scary
Sold also in Israel and quite popular at the time (the orange Variant is an Israeli car). We also got the 4 door coupe and the Brazilia and – confusingly – the German 411/412!
Lovely write-up, Paul! I really liked story with the sinking ship. The 4 door sedans and TLs were mainly used as taxis, especially in Rio; vain Brazilians considered them too ugly for private use.
Thanks for inspiring me with your photos. You’ve posted so many interesting finds at the Cohort; I wish I had time to write them all up. Are you interested in writing something about some of your finds. it doesn’t have to be in-depth like this one.
I’ve long wondered about the Brazilian 1600 T3, so this was a fun story to unravel.
I plan to do it soon – Rubens has already covered a lot of ground and the Brazilian auto industry history is rather limited (and lacking of dedicated literature), and there’s very little real “curbside classic” culture in Brazil – people just don’t like to drive or be seen in older cars – but there are some corners still to be explored. Anyway, of course I’m very glad every time I see my contributions published at CC – es freut mich sehr!
I’ve always been puzzled at the love for VW by many back in the day.
I recognize the simplicity and fuel economy, and that there is a certain fun-to-drive factor, but actually owning one as a daily driver? I suppose it depends on the circumstances, realizing that years ago, the only alternative was a Falcon, Nova or Dart/Valiant and maybe a Rambler.
Keep, drive and enjoy your VW, but give me a Nova any day.
As to foreign countries’ VW popularity, I guess what works for them is good.
You either get VWs or you don’t. 🙂
Fuel tank in the rear, with the engine? Fireball waiting to happen. No wonder this wasn’t sold elsewhere. Would have made the early Pintos look like a Volvo in safety terms.
VW Bus was configured the same way. The battery was also in the engine compartment.
Vanagon in 1980 moved the gas tank and spare tire to the front, and the battery under the passenger seat.
Completely forgot about the Type 2 rear mounted gas tank, and I’ve even had a couple…
The VW vans were that way from inception to the Vanagon. AFAIK they don’t have a rep as being fireballs.
The gas tank was in front of the engine, between it and the rear seat. Quite well protected, actually. Much more so than almost every American car until the 1980s or so.
The seemingly endless variations of VWs in diverse world markets makes for such interesting stories.
I recall reading many years ago that Germany seemed to have a much higher love (or tolerance?) for 2 door cars in past decades than did other markets in Europe. Is there any truth to that idea? VW in particular always seemed to be unusually heavy into 2 doors, particularly with models like the U.S. Fox.
Yes, we’ve brought up the issue about two/four doors here before. Germany was much more amenable to 2 doors for longer than any other major W. European country. I can’t explain why. Maybe because they all grew up with Beetles? 🙂
The issue with the German T3 is also that it lacked rear leg room, regardless of the number of doors. It would not at all have been hard to add 3 inches or so to its floor pan, and thus make it more competitive in its market segment. But I presume they had their reasons, in part probably because they could undoubtedly use the same very expensive mammoth presses that already stamped out T1 and Karmann Ghia floor pans, as the T3 used a slightly modified KG pan.
The Fox was available as a four door sedan, just not as a wagon. That must be a Brazilian thing.
Regarding 2-door cars. More safety for the kids in the rear seats ?
In 1961 Germany also legally banned suicide doors. Quote German Wikipedia site about the “Selbstmördertür”:
..”Eine besondere Gefahr bestand für Kinder, die früher weder angegurtet waren noch in Kindersitzen saßen”…
I doubt that’s the main reason. Four doors were ubiquitous in more expensive cars; there were no 2 door Mercedes sedans.
I think it’s just some kind of cultural thing that might be hard to explain exactly. Maybe German drivers wanted more control!! 🙂
One would have to look into the matter more. Clearly cost is a factor; 2 doors are cheaper, and why design a car to have both versions, or just 4 doors when 2 will do in the given market.
Another factor is aerodynamics, which the Germans were very much into starting in the 30s. It’s not so easy to make a four door look good with a fastback unless its quite long.
I do think the VW cemented that approach, and folks just got used to the idea and were ok for it longer than other countries. Cheap cars in Europe almost inevitably had 2 doors, the 2CV being the big exception. And the VW was the cheapest car on the market that also was family-friendly, bigger than most of its competition.
Beyond that, I just don’t know.
Yeah, BMW didn’t bother with extra doors for its 02 Series (1502-2002) and first generation 3-Series (E21). The E30 introduced in 1984 ended that omission…
One of the stock “auto oddities” of the ’70s was GM’s Ranger, an Opel Rekord coupe or two-door sedan sold alongside the “regular” Opels (which were also offered in four-door form) only in the Benelux countries.
Why? Because GM had two dealer channels in the Low Countries then – one handled Opel and the other Vauxhall (not sure how the US makes were divided between them), and the Ranger was a gap-filler to give Vauxhall dealers a midsize two-door car to sell, something Luton never saw a need for on the British market.
The GM Ranger! I’d totally forgotten about that brand. And it’s a fascinating story, one I need to tell here soon. Curious.
There were some large two-door German 1970s saloons which we never got in Britain. The original Audi 100 looked lovely as a 2 door as did the Mk1 Ford Granada. We got both of those in 4-door saloon or 2 door Coupe versions but I always thought the LHD-only 2 door saloons looked best.
Some say in Brazil the preference for 2 door cars appeared with the Chevrolet Opala coupé (Opel Rekord C coupé) and Ford Corcel coupé, as both have a very unique design from their 4 doors counterparts as well from the rest of the competitors. Before that the 4 doors cars was predominant.
The desire for an Opala / Corcel coupé made almost everybody stay away of anything too different from both models and soon 4 doors cars almost disappeared from the market and the few models released along the 70’s and 80’s sold little to nothing.
The aversion to 4 doors cars remained until the early 90’s, when Brazil opened its market to foreign cars and almost all of them were 4 doors. The first car with 4 doors to be kinda well succeeded was the VW Pointer in 1994 and then the preference for 4 doors grew until 2 doors became a rare vision.
What an interesting mash up the TL is. A pillar, windshield and cowl appear identical to a German Type 3. You can see the difference in both the front and rear edges of the slightly shorter appearing door, but based identical otherwise doors. Then add in the upright engine and Beetle Type 1 front suspension and it really does seem the Beetle and Type 3 had intercourse. And later a Type 4 and Passat (Dasher) joined in.
Great write up, I always have been interested in the Brazilian VW’s of this period. I was a Type 3 addict in the late ’70’s early 80’s, owned a (rusty from Canada) ’64 Squareback Sunroof 1500 S with twin carbs, 5 lug rims with all drum brakes. 2 ’68 Fastbacks, one was a wrecked parts car. Paul is an expert on showing how many details were changed to create a car that at first glance really aren’t noticeable.
Seen on the street in Rio de Janeiro last December…
(The thumbnail photo looked upside down but will render correctly if you click on it.)
Still upside down. Maybe ’cause I’m in Australia?
I take that back – six years later it’s right side up. 🙂
The vehicles after and including the Brasilia seem to have a Golf I door. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood it, and I’m certainly no VW’ expert, but if the Brasilia launched in ’73, does this mean the door beat the Golf I to market?
No, the Golf arrived in the fall of 1974. But the doors aren’t the same; just similar. And they’re also similar to the Passat/Audi 80 door. The 80 appeared in 1972.
Thank you Paul for such an in-depth article; I’ve always wanted to know how these things fitted in. I was following it all up until about the halfway mark, then things seemed to get weird and confusing. Think I’ll have to read it a few more times to get the hang of things.
A long needed explanation clearly drawing all the not-so-easily-found threads together. Thank you.
Great article, Paul and I’m not a VW fan. The 1600 TL has a Fiat 850 Sport Coupe vibe to it.
really really great story Paul!
I’m from Brazil and these VW’s were part of my childhood!
IMHO the TL is the most beautiful of them. People used to refer to the first TL as TL Frente Alta or “tall nose”
My old man had a Brasilia (1980, from 1982 to 1986, it had ethanol engine, as most cars back then in here). We made dozens of trips on it, family of 4 and packed with gear.
Being just a kid, I rode laying over te engine compartment every time we had guests in the car.
Just stumbled across this on a VW forum. More weirdness — and a few of the 100-200 EA97 prototypes mentioned in the piece — can be seen, plus other variants.
Thank you for that! I’ve been looking for it for years, as I saw it ages ago. This was done for the German press, sometime in the mid 60s or so, after there was a lot of grumbling in the press as to why VW hadn’t yet replaced the Beetle. They wanted to show how many prototypes they (Porsche, mostly) had made, to prove that they had been trying so hard.
Interesting, as I didn’t remember there being a fastback already too. Makes sense, though. But I wonder what engine was in the fastback and Variant? Upright t1, or pancake T3?
Fantastic find! it’s fascinating to see in their “ur-form” the two models up front, plus the dark-red in the very middle of the picture, that would later came to fruition in Brazil. I always wondered why the 4 door models didn’t sell well, and according to my own reasoning the simultaneous launching of the Ford Corcel was the obvious reason, since the latter was a very modern and attractive car in every sense, while the 1600 sedan transpired old school from every pore, with an ugly design to boot (the slice-of-pizza third window on the 4 door TL is probably the most bizarre design element ever in a VW, and it got all the scorn it deserved – I myself as a kid tried to pretend it didn’t exist).
On the other hand the Variant was also launched at the same time as the Belina (the station wagon Corcel) and it actually outsold the former. Same story again with the simultaneous launching of the Chevette and Brasilia in 1973: The Chevette’s mission was to be the VW’s killer, but notwithstanding it’s up-to-date concept and the auto press declaring it the superior choice in every comparison test, the Brasilia was a hit – as Paul already mentioned above, albeit with a shorter life span.
I stand corrected: I meant “(…) Variant was also launched at the same time as the Belina (the station wagon Corcel) and it actually outsold the latter”
I’m pretty sure the widened Type 1 floorpan used on all these Brazilians is pretty much the Karmann-Ghia / Type 181 / Type 147 shaped part, so fitting the economy of production reasoning.
A bit confused by the EA97 prototype, was it to be of similar dimensions to the later Volkswagen Brasilia (maybe even smaller) or the Type 3?
Additionally while there was the FWD EA48 prototype, did Volkswagen ever look at an even smaller rear-engined 750-850cc flat-twin powered car?
> [the 1600 four door fastback] was commonly called ‘Coupé Quattro Portas’ (Four Door Coupe)
Ah! So the “four door coupe” thing isn’t a recent phenomenon…
The louvers and cut line on the two door fastback that are at an exact opposite angle of the rear side window kink and indentations them is an inspired touch.
Here it is…
…and a view of the rear…has a bit of a Renault 8 look to me.
I’m feasting my eyes on the specifically Brazilian vehicles here.
Since a previous poster mentioned the Brasilia, here is one I saw yesterday…quite a different animal, though mechanically related…
Never knew about all the variations and prototypes.
On that rear side glass, could it have been in a flexible mount and not actually bend. I know glass does bend some, but it seems so odd to design it that way. So I was thinking if they designed the front rubber mount right, they might be able to use that a a functioning hinge. Dunno, just speculation.
I noticed there didn’t seem to be a latch where you’d open it.
For a 1974 1600TL. 4 door Where can I look for tail lights and front bumper indicator lights? The taillights on mine is quite big like a FIAT 132 size and look similar.