If you want to know why CUVs are so popular with folks above a certain age, it’s because they were forced to spend their formative years in a Pinto wagon. It tops out at 50 inches (1.27 meters), which is less than a Toyota 86 sports coupe and a mere 1.4″ more than a current Miata. So from now on when you see a Pinto wagon (if you should be so blessed) think of it as a Miata wagon. That will help you imagine what the front seating position was like, and what a torture it was to sit in the rear seat. That is, if you’re too young to have missed the experience of being forced to sit in one. If you have, no need to imagine, as your PTSD is probably being triggered by the sight of this.
What do we attribute a 50″ high wagon to? Poor planning and warped priorities? What else? The Pinto was originally conceived purely as a…well, what shall we call it? It’s not a two door sedan in the usual sense, although it did have a ridiculous little trunk hatch and not a hatchback originally. A poor man’s Mustang? An el-cheapo coupe? A miserably-cramped attempt to outdo the equally cramped VW Beetle, designed 40 years earlier? But even the VW’s rear seat was better than the Pinto’s.
It was a foolish attempt to apply the first and third principles of Detroit’s lower, longer, wider mantra to a subcompact car. If anyone thought that was really a good idea, I’d like them to explain it to me. I’ve been waiting patiently for almost 50 years.
The Pinto’s underpinnings were based on a shortened UK Ford Cortina chassis, whose body of course had the proportions right. It had a drastically more user-friendly interior room than the Pinto, including proper seating front and back with appropriate sit-up height and leg room, given its short length, 168″, or just five more than the Pinto. And it was six inches taller!
Not only was the Pinto was five inches shorter but also five inches wider,at just under 70 inches. If I’ve lost you with all those garbled stats, let’s just say the Pinto was kind of like a Cortina that had been melted, but all the lost height went into its hips, not in length. Or just a ridiculously inefficient package.
But Ford USA knew better what Americans wanted in a subcompact car: a 3/4 scale Torino SportsRoof coupe.
There was just one, two; no three problems with Ford offering just a two-door coupe/sedan Pinto: the Chevy Vega. It also appeared in 1971, but came in three distinct body styles (as well as a sedan delivery version of the wagon), and the hatchback coupe instantly became the best seller of the bunch.
Although Ford’s relentless drive to make the Pinto as cheap as possible resulted in a base price ($1919) that well undercut the cheapest Vega sedan ($2146), the result was also a very cheap feeling car. Here’s a few salient words from Car and Driver’s 1971 small car comparison: “Whenever you hit a bump, the steering wheel whips around in your hands and the whole car rattles and rustles like a burlap bag full of tin cups. Self destruction seems only moments away”. The Vega would exhibit other issues, but it felt quite substantial in comparison to the Pinto.
Car and Driver subjected themselves to a 15,000 mile comparison test of the two, and not surprisingly, it was not exactly their idea of a fun time. In terms of passenger space this was their summation: Realistically, either the Pinto or Vega should be limited to carrying two adults, with the rear seats limited for small children or parcels. Try telling that to a Cortina owner with a family.
They found the Pinto hatchback with the optional 2.0 L engine, four speed stick and optional (!) disc brakes to be satisfying and amusing as a city car. But its charm melts away in long-distance cruising: The ride quality is much harsher than the Vega’s, high speed directional stability is lacking, and the bucket seats…proved to be agony for most of the staff…the Pinto’s ventilation system is utterly inadequate.
Since we’re here to trash talk about the Pinto and not the Vega, we’ll just include this one overarching line about the Vega: from a noise and vibration point of view, the Vega’s engine is unfit for passenger car use. In more ways than one, as it soon turned out.
Of course the Pinto’s engine in the test suffered form all sorts of maladies too, some of them stemming from the fact that the camshaft had been installed incorrectly in a large batch of 2.0 L engines. And so on… All the grisly details of Pinto and Vega ownership (in the first few months) are here.
Back to the more immediate and more easily solvable Vega problem at hand: to quickly rush out a Pinto a hatchback, which arrived in February of 1971 in this form, and which was soon replaced in 1972 with a bigger rear window. But to make a wagon took a bit more doing; sort of.
The solution, which arrived in 1972 sometime during the model year as it was not in the initial 1972 brochure, was to just extend the rear bodywork, by some ten inches. No lengthening of the wheelbase, or raising the roof; never mind four doors.
So the result is…highly compromised, again unlike its UK cousin, the Cortina Mk II estate. Maybe if American kids had been forced to sit in the back of a Cortina, wagons might still be popular today.
In addition to more rear cargo room, the extra length also gave more protection to the Pinto’s somewhat vulnerable gas tank, but I’m not going to beat that dead horse here again.
Apparently Ford gave enough thought to building a four door version that the converted…one side of one to two doors, but given that the far side still has its single door, it was a half-hearted effort. And it wouldn’t have really improved much; in fact it would have made front seat ingress and egress much worse. Who cares about the kids anyway?
And for those of you who think Ford might have been considering a three door version, it might actually have made some sense; on the other side, though.
Enough with the florid words; let’s see the proof. Here’s the front. If I told you this was a Mustang II, you might well believe it. Well, you should, given that the Mustang II was based on the Pinto. The basic architecture was perfect for a low-swung sporty coupe, but not so much so for a small family wagon. Note: the front seat are not original; from a Mustang II, perhaps? That applies to the steering wheel, additional instruments and console too.
Well, I suppose the excuse was that in real life, a Pinto is just a multi-colored Mustang.
And here’s that torture chamber that Ford had the gall to call the back seat. No, that’s not a size 18 shoe. Looks like the back of a 2+2 sports coupe, eh? Should have called it a shooting brake.
Ford saved the best for last in the wagon. The load space is downright spacious compared to the rear seat. But then everything is relative, and it’s still anything but truly capacious. But it was substantially bigger (60.5 cf) than the Vega Kammback’s cargo area (50.2 cf). And this feature, presumably along with the Pinto’s lower price, helped propel Pinto sales consistently above the Vega’s.
Here’s the sales stats for the two Detroit import fighters, which of course had no impact on import sales except to stimulate them as they were up a whopping 25% in 1971 over 1970. Oh well. But they did find buyers, as a huge raft of young American boomers were buying their first new cars. For the ones that bought Pintos, at least not the first year ones, the memories are probably somewhat favorable on balance, as it was mostly a fairly reliable and economical little conveyance for two. But more than likely they bought a Japanese import to replace it. Or a bigger American car.
For those that bought the Vega, it was quite likely their last domestic car ever. Although I have heard stories of folks coming back to the poisoned GM well for a second or even third drink. Some folks are slow learners. Or masochists.
Don’t get the wrong idea, that what Ford did in creating the Pinto wagon was somehow more improvised or a lesser packaging job than the Vega wagon. Not at all. In fact, what Ford did is to simply imitate the Vega wagon by giving the Pinto the same longer rear end overhang the Vegas had from the get-go. The end result is remarkably similar, although the Vega comes off looking decidedly more refined and organic. It was designed this way, to be a sporty shooting brake, under the eye of Bill Mitchell. The Pinto comes off looking what it is: cobbled up.
But they’re both paragons of lousy space utilization.
Just like the Pinto had a much better packaged British cousin, so the Vega had a much better packaged (and everything else) German cousin, the Opel 1900. But that’s all old history now. Coulda’, woulda’, shoulda’.
The best selling Vega by far was the hatchback coupe, which was of course a very attractive car given its Ferrari-esque front end and roof line, and other fine lines in between. It also had the most un-Ferrari engine ever since it took much more after a Lamborghini engine; the tractor variety. But in the Pinto family, which included the sedan, hatchback and wagon, the wagon quickly became the best seller of the three beginning in its second year.
Here’s a chart to show the respective wagons’ share of each model line, which included three version for each of them (sedan, hatchback and wagon). The Pinto quickly soared to the top (1972 was only a partial year for the wagon), but then slowly declined as the Pinto sedan and hatch became just a very cheap car, and folks looked elsewhere for a proper small wagon. Curiously, the Vega wagon started slow but increased its share steadily and in its final year challenged the coupe for the #1 slot. I suspect that’s because the Monza coupe, which arrived in 1975, stole a good number of Vega coupe sales. Or something like that.
But there you have it; where else but at CC would you find a chart of such utterly obscure and useless information?
Not only did the Pinto wagon outsell the Vega wagon, but according to this, it was the best selling wagon in the world! As to the answer to the question posed in the ad, the correct answer would be the energy crisis of 1973-1974, which propelled both Pinto and Vega sales upwards, along with all other small cars, while big car (and wagon) sales tanked. In fact, in 1974, the Pinto even was the #1 selling nameplate in the US, beating out the perennial favorite Chevy Impala for the title. The Pinto rules! Briefly, anyway.
Let’s not overlook the Pinto Cruising Wagon. The Child Protective Services made it well known that it was not approved for carrying children, so we can’t blame the CUV fad on that. And it made a lousy alternative to a proper van, since given the very low roof and short load space, sex was going to be confined to strictly side-to-side positions. Therefore not many CUV owners today were likely conceived in the back of a Pinto Cruising Wagon, so it gets a pass.
Let’s get back to this particular fine example I couldn’t help but notice in traffic, and as soon as I followed it, it obliged by turning into the nearest 7-11. Eagle-eyed Pinto anoraks will raise an eye at its front bumper and say; that has to be a 1972 wagon, as the 1973 has its bumper further forward on an extension to meet the ’73 regulations.
Good noticing, and quite true! But this really is a ’73. When I raised the issue with the owner, he showed me the build sticker on the front door pillar, which proclaimed that this Pinto was built in 7-73. The front bumper must have been changed at some point.
All of this came up because the owner told me it was for sale, with an asking price of $4,000. And he promised me a couple hundred in commission if he gets a lead from this article, so come on, you know you want it!
He showed me the engine, which he called a “2.3”. Unless it’s been changed out, the ’73s still used the German-built 2.o L SOHC four, which is known as the “Pinto engine” in Europe even though it was designed in Germany and built and used there starting in 1970, one year before it was also first used in the Pinto. But because it was also used in the Pinto, it acquired that name by association. And convenience, presumably. Is this one sporting an aftermarket Weber carb, a common conversion to rid oneself of the nasty driveability issues?
Starting in 1974, a 2.3 L variant was built in Lima, OH, and that venerable version became known as the “Lima four”. The 1600cc “Kent” engine was thankfully not offered on the wagon.
This Pinto wagon was/is going to be a lot more fun to drive than its successors. The 2.0 four was lively and not yet beat into dull submission from more onerous smog devices, and it has the four speed stick, a lovely device about as good as any of its kind. The wagon was of course heavier than the sedan or hatchback, but these made fun city cars, with very direct rack and pinion steering, and its suspension tuning was still more European than American.
The fact that it came with a standard four speed instead of the lame three speed manual on the Vega, which was in reality more like a two-speed and overdrive thanks to its low gearing, was a relative boon.
All this changed for the worse beginning in 1974 when the Pinto received some of the worst shelf bumpers ever. And in order to tame its tin-can ways, in subsequent years it received ever-more noise deadening material, structural reinforcements, more restrictive smog controls, softer suspension, and so forth. It quickly became terminally dull and deadly.
And of course much heavier, so much so that the 2,8 Cologne V6 had to finally be made optional starting in 1975. Whatever fun a 2.0 4-speed Pinto once could muster was a hazy memory by the time this final-year 1980 was built.
Let’s get back to the important stuff: pitching this Pinto wagon so that I can claim my commission. The current owner bought it not long ago from the original owner, who is seen here driving it at a cruise-in in 2014.
The odometer says 32,455, and the current owner claims that’s all it has, but from the condition it’s in, I rather doubt that. I would add at least a 1 to the front of that number.
I’m supposed to be pitching, but I’m probably throwing a wild ball when I tell you that it also has a trailer hitch and helper springs on the rear end. Yes, folks pulled trailers with Pinto wagons back in the day. But these are simple and easy cars to fix, so I wouldn’t give this and a few dings and stains and tears a second thought.
If you ever had a Pinto, I know you know you really want to relive the experience. You could get someone to drive it while you ride in the back seat, with knees in your chest. If you never rode in one, here’s your chance to find out why these were the best selling wagons in the world in 1974. Buy it and then explain it to us. We’re all ears.
In either case, call Bobby at 54one-743-6669. The asking price of $4,000 is low; very, very low.
Related: 1971 Pinto: 1971 C&D Small Car Comparison, #4 PN
I highly doubt Ford intended to have two doors one side and one on the other. Asymmetrical styling concepts in clay and fiberglass had long been done at Ford and I assume elsewhere. The idea was, I assume , to save time and effort by have 2 different ideas on the same styling buck.
highly doubt Ford intended to have two doors one side and one on the other.
Are you going out on a limb here? 🙂
This clearly wasn’t a clay, and I doubt it was a full fiberglass mock-up either, given where it was shot. My guess is that it was a hand-made conversion of a production or pre-production steel wagon, to asses the pros and cons of a four door wagon.
Well, whatever it is, it was never intended for production in this form.
Even back then, I’m sure they were smart enough to realize that if they did
proceed with this concept, the extra door should be on the curbside,
like a Veloster is now.
You are correct. It was typical for the studio to have different styling and trim on left and right sides. It was a cost savings move. Never intended for production. Management really liked a full size representation of a given model to approve or reject the styling..
The Pinto is strange to me in that with the initial prototype design briefs, it was clearly intended to be a mini Mustang. This yellow one makes me think of Mitsubishi’s Galant GTO. Besides this shot, there is also a red “hardtop” in the design phase that, ironically, has some 1970 Plymouth Barracuda going on with it. The final product is so drastically different…
I don’t know where I heard or read this but was it true that Lee Iacocca’s target price and weight for the 1971 Pinto was under $2,000 and under 2,000 pounds? In regard to that front bumper Paul, in a previous post someone informed me there were loopholes in the 1973 5 mph bumper standards. Unless a car was receiving a major front end redesign in 1973 the manufacturer could use use very minimal protection which usually involved huge bumper guards. For 1974 the loophole was eliminated. The car you were alluding to about the front bumper may indeed be a 1973 model.
While the ’74s did get the chrome “battering rams” front and rear (like many other Fords), the ’73 had a smaller bumper set further out from the body with a body colored filler panel.
I had several Pintos back in the day and the way they met the 73 front bumper standards was an aluminum extrusion that fit inside the 71-2 chrome bumper and mounting that entire assembly 2-3″ farther out from the vehicle.
My folks bought one in ’74. While it had many, many, many faults I don’t think size was one of them. On the other hand I was age 5-9 while we had it and my brother is younger, so actual people didn’t have to fit in that backseat.
The featured car is what my Mom wanted, so they ordered a yellow one. Unfortunately along with the huge bumpers, the ’74 models also included a switch to a shade that brings to mind the American Graffiti quote about “piss yellow or puke green”.
It was replaced in ’78 by an equally unattractive Fairmont wagon, that proved to be a much, much better car.
Nothing made a Pinto look worse than those plain, dull dog dish hubcaps. Were those later used on cheap versions of the Fairmont too?
I won’t swear that they were identical, but yes the Fairmont did come with plain dog dishes. I think it may have had whitewalls? It was that orange-tan color they called Chamois.
I worked with a guy who had a Fairmont in that color. We called it “The Pumpkin.”
i agree, size wasn’t really the problem. these were everywhere when i was in high school. yes, they were snug but not noticeably worse than the competition. they also were fairly reliable and cheap and easy to fix. that’s why they sold so many of them. what killed these was the corolla, civic and b210 not the european competition. the japanese econo-boxes just rode so much better especially if you got the stick and they didn’t fall apart at 50k.
“The japanese econo-boxes just rode so much better especially if you got the stick and they didn’t fall apart at 50k.”
You obviously never lived in the Rust Belt. As bad as American cars rusted back then nothing, and I mean NOTHING, rusted out like a Japanese car back the. Well, with the exception of Vegas, they were the king of rust.
Thankfully, the car gods have allowed me no opportunity to experience a Ford Pinto directly. I’ve never drove, rode, or even sat in one.
On the other hand, Mrs. Jason had a high-school friend with a well-loved and used Pinto Cruising Wagon, identical to the one pictured above. She has said riding in the back seat was a double treat; not only was it painfully cramped, you couldn’t see anything but the back of the front seat passenger’s heads. My wife is not claustrophobic but she said that Pinto certainly introduced her to the idea.
Since this Pinto is for sale, I’ll take one for the team and pass. It would be criminal to deny somebody else the opportunity.
I worked for a pizza place in grad school that had 2 Pinto wagon delivery cars, a ’73 and a ’74. Truly terrible. This was in the early ’80’s, so both were past their sell-by date. Rough in every way. Broke down a lot. It’s a wonder anyone ever got their pizza. The red ’73 had a 4-speed, so it was a little more fun. The ’74 had an automatic, that sort of had to spool up when you stepped down on it. That characteristic resulted in its demise, when one of the driver’s tried to make a left, it sort of lurched across the yellow line, got broadsided, and put the driver in the ER.
Rode in the back seat of a friend’s brother’s Pinto on a 16 hour road trip. I was 15 or 16 at the time, I remember thinking if we got rear ended I’d be a goner. And that was before exploding gas tanks became national news. It was torture. Along with my mom’s POS ’77 Mercury Cougar Villager wagon, that Pinto ride put a serious dent in my love for the Blue Oval.
Being tall, and having spent much of my pre-teen and early teen years in the back seats of my three sisters’ and my future sister-in-law’s Pintos, I don’t know what was worse – the low roofline, or the rear seats which seemed like thin foam pads placed on the floor, between the transmission tunnel and the wheelwells.
Yep. Woulda rather sat in the dentist’s chair for a root canal than ride in that torture chamber!
I’ve always wondered how the Pinto would’ve turned out had Robert McNamara been at the helm of Ford (well, aside from HFII) at the time of the Pinto’s development, as he was for the Falcon’s.
But then again, had that happened we would’ve probably ended up with the Cardinal, and who knows how that would’ve influenced American subcompacts.
Interesting point. Mac got a lot of things wrong, but he got the Falcon exactly right. He understood that Rambler was the question that needed an answer. GM thought VW was the question, and blew it.
The Pinto fell back to answering the Beetle, and blew it.
I was a VW freak at the time. I drove and worked on a couple Pinto wagons belonging to friends. I figured the front engine would make the interior more roomy than a Squareback, but in fact it was LESS roomy and harder to get into. So it wasn’t even a good answer to VW!
The only problem with your assessment is that the Falcon’s sales came at the expense of the full-size Ford’s sales, so overall, the Falcon did nothing for Ford, except increase expenses and reduce profitability. Cheapskate Ford buyers bought the Falcon instead of a low-end big Ford.
But the Corvair’s sales were essentially all conquest sales, from import owners/intenders. Full size Chevy sales actually went up during the Corvair years. And the Corvair actually sold quite well, between 200-300k per year; that’s hardly a failure. In fact, it was fairly successful until 1966, when the Mustang reamed it, since it appealed to the same sort of sporty small car buyer.
I am old enough to have experienced Pinto-Mania. My first backseat experience was when my family (in a 4 person configuration) rented a 72 sedan to get from the Orlando airport to Disney World. I was about 13. The backseat experience was even better when holding luggage on your lap. A wagon would have been huge. Later a couple of high school friends had 71-72 sedans. I (unlike the Pinto back seat) had grown.
My theory about the PintoVega goes like this. Detroit needed a price leader for young boomers who wanted something fun. Both Ford and GM had tried to sell conventional-style European small cars and had found relatively few takers. Small sports cars had been the only small cars that had found a consistent market here. So the idea may have been to use the general dimensions of a sports car, add enough of a back seat to call it a 4 seater, then cut costs until the youth of America could afford them in great numbers. And it kind of worked.
But when Ford tried to go all middle class housewife with the car, it was trying to make the poor little wagon do a task way outside of its job description.
This one found at last week’s Mecum auction shows that there are Pinto (and Bobcat) wagons out there for even the most discerning palate.
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The earlier Mercury Bobcats give me serious Cressida-face when I look at them, especially at a three-quarter angle!
“Cressida-face”. Now that you mention it, I see it too. I liked it on the wagon but it looked positively awful on the hatchbacks.
And I love that term Cressida-face. All I can think of is “Joseph! Stop making that Cressida face at your brother and apologize or I am going to pull this car over!” 🙂
JP, now that you mention it, the Mercury Bobcat coupe could have been worse. Imagine if L-M had added some sort of bustle to the rear hatch to echo they grille they put on the 1975 – ’78 models.
That would have been ghastly, though this would probably have eliminated availability of the all-glass hatch when that arrived for ’79.
Add me to the list who have never so much as sat in a Pinto. However I will pass on this admittedly fine example, I feel like I have suffered enough.
I have sat in the back of an AMC Gremlin, and our family had a Vega. The Vega was actually not that terrible, my Dad did go back to the well of GM twice after that. The 81 Impala was reliable but slow and dull, it was the 83 Regal that cured him of GM cars forever, and probably me too.
Despite the fact that Ford was out of racing by November of ’70, a few gearheads still remained in Dearborn and managed to put together a how-to-build-a-pro-stock-pinto book in 71 or 72. My older cousin got a hold of a copy, along with a nearly new 71 Pinto and the requisite 4V Cleveland/Toploader drivetrain. The result was a monster that he had considerable success with at small tracks all over the middle of the country. Now she sits in the back of his barn next to his 427 Fairlane, gathering dust.
What was a Pinto good for? B-Sedan autocross! Get a two door sedan with the 2.0 engine and 4 speed, go to stiffer shocks and whatever tire and sway bar upgrades were legal in the class, and you had a BMW 2002 competitor, if not an occasional BMW 2002 beater. All for about half the money of the BMW, even after modifications.
SCCA chapters hated Pintos (and Vega GTs). How dare those knuckle dragging rednecks invade their turf with American cars?
The Cortina itself had changed by 1971 and it wasn’t quite the sensible, upright car it had been. The new Mk.III was lower and wider (52″ high and 67″ wide), though not to quite the same extreme as the Pinto and there were still four doors on the wagon:
I had a ’75 Pinto trunkback as my first car and I know it’s irrational, but I loved it and it was a good enough first car. The trunk was uselessly small, to be true. My cousin had a hatchback Pinto and the wayback was somewhat more useful. The wagon version looked to be the most useful of them all! I still want one. (But I’m not buying now.)
ps. I never before saw the styling connection between the Torino fastback and the Pinto!
…And the hatchback Mustang II. They look like a ’73 Torino Sportsroof.
That comparison may’ve upset Vince a little bit, as that appears to be HIS car. LOL
Yes Rick you are correct, that is my Torino. But not to worry, I am not upset at all. I see the point Paul was trying to make and don’t disagree. Ford, like others was trying to keep some sort of family image in its lineup. As much as I like my car and stand up for the unfair rap they get, I am also the first to admit that they are hardly paragons of space efficiency. Scaling it down only makes things worse. And of course it ruins the proportions and only shows how much more unattractive the Pinto was – IMO.
Ford was known for using the roofline from one model onto another, such as the T-Bird roof being used on the early Galaxies. To copy the Torino fastback roofline is not a stretch when you consider how well it worked for them then.
My aunt had a brown ’71 Pinto. It broke down a lot.
A friend had a yellow ’74 Pinto. It broke down a lot.
No love for Pintos here but there was a time when they were everywhere.
I have no need for a Pinto but if I had one, it wouldn’t be CC-friendly.
Having worked for Hertz at Denver during a portion of the Pinto era I have driven them (but never a Vega).
A Pinto coupe with an automatic was common and generally not acceptable. I remember driving up Boulder Canyon to the Nederalnd area – slowly, wheezily in a car loaded with four people (the skinny girls in the back). Not pleasant. Also remember driving an automatic coupe from DC to Annapolis and back with two persons. Also a very unsatisfying car.
However in Denver the most basic Pinto with the four speed manual that was the very cheapest car to rent in the Hertz fleet was sort of a fun city car – certainly more fun to drive than a contemporary barge-like Torino or Malibu. Almost sporty. So I sort of liked it. But none of the Pintos I drove were my cars and I am sure I would not have bought one for myself.
Then the Ford Fiesta was imported. It was now the cheapest car to rent from Hertz. It was a fun and much better built truly small car with the joys of a manual transmission. I had one long weekend for about 750 miles in one of these Fiestas and liked it very much.
I also worked for Hertz during this time (well, 1977 and 1978) but at a different airport (South Burlington, VT)…I was a transporter, so I got to drive cars that my location handled.
Of course Ford was the main marque at Hertz in those years, but interestingly
I seldom drove a Pinto…not sure why not, as we did have other cars (even in those years, there were many imports, Datsun, Toyota) in this size…but the most common rental I think might have been the LTDII, followed (in 1978) by the Fairmont. The Granada was pretty popular too, and we had a dabbling of other makes (my favorite was a ’77 Dodge Magnum)…AMC, a few GM. We also drove some Mopar cars, Dodge Diplomat was a favorite.
The pinto I remember most driving was a year or two earlier, just a year after I got my license…I was visiting relatives while staying with my Grandparents, and they had a son a few years younger than I who I was paling around with…they had a lakeside cabin which where we were visiting them, and for some reason they wanted me to drive their (as I remember almost new) Pinto coupe with their son to a place that sold non-homonogized milk. Don’t remember why they asked me, except maybe the oldsters had been drinking.
Before that, I remember being in a ’71 sedan, being driven to summer school typing class (no remediation, my parents just wanted me to learn to type, but of course we learned on typewriters).
A few years after this, once I got my first “good” job, I was in a carpool to work with a ’78 Ford Fiesta owner…he and another carpool member (’79 Datsun 310) eventually got married. I liked the Fiesta, but it was pretty spartan (as was the Pinto).
GM and Ford brass *hated* the idea that people wanted smaller cars, and looked at those buyers with complete and utter derision.
At least Ford was smart about the engines. They were smart enough to use the European 1.6 and 2.0 engines, both of which were very good. When they designed a home-grown 2.3, that was also a very good engine, and found it’s way into many an engine transplant, including LBC and mini-stock race cars.
Interesting side note about the 2.3… it’s possible (and several folks have done it) to transplant the 16-valve head from a Volvo B234F on to a 2.3 Lima. Of course, the B234F came much later than the 2.3 Lima, but the Volvo engine traced it’s lineage back to the 1.8 and 2.0 OHV B18 and B20 Volvo. I’m not saying Ford cribbed the Volvo design, but how else would the head from Volvo be a (relatively) easy swap on to a Ford Lima??
What the hell is wrong with me? …I kinda like the damn thing. I like it better as a wagon. I can even carry my band equipment and amps in it. Hey, even Neil Peart showed up in one of these when he auditioned for Rush. Carrying his drums in a trash can. Having been around Rangers a lot, I’m used to and like Ford’s 4 cyl. A 2.8 with a few hot rod mods would be fun. A younger me wouldn’t even have thought about one of these unless it was in conjunction with a 302 swap. I remember someone in high school had fun with one.
Someone cared enough to get rid of the shocks that extended the front bumper for ’73. Easy enough to do. I like the idea of the Weber carb over the stock one.
Hateful color, though.
Crap. I’m gonna spend the day looking at pintos on Craigslist…
When compared with the Cortina (as I did at the time, being a CD and R&T inhaling kid whose parents owned an imported wagon) the Pinto certainly seemed inefficient and uncompetitive. But it was launched at a time when the “impractical” Mustang was still a huge seller, and American buyers didn’t really seem to care much about space efficiency. The Gremlin, Vega and Pinto just reflected those values. Plus, many of us kids and teens were already used to squeezing into the back of small cars, such as Mustangs, Beetles, Mavericks etc so squeezing a little bit more wasn’t hard. I carried two adults in the back of my Vega hatch more times than they wanted to remember.
I would add that the Cortina (at least based on the experience of the one owned by my Scoutmaster) was a very brittle car that did not stand up to hard use one little teeny bit. The Pinto was much more “American” in that regard. I really thought his Cortina wagon was cool, but things like wiper arms and shifters that snapped off and various other maladies (on a 2-3 year old car) put me off of them.
If you re-read that 15,000 mile test of the ’71 Vega and Pinto by C/D, you’ll find that the Pinto’s maladies were every bit as bad or worse. The Pinto eventually got a bit more reliable over the years, but the first year or two had gobs of teething issues.
The problems with the Cortina that you’ve described sound like typical inferior small-part (supplier) quality control issues. If Ford had made an American derivative of the Cortina, it would have been able to solve those issues (if it chose to). Fundamentally, they are both based on the same chassis/suspension, and shared engines and transmissions, etc…
My sister had a MkII Cortina that held up pretty well, other than the transmission … and after she moved to Toronto it rusted pretty quickly. Even though hers was not a GT, it was pretty fun to drive, much more of a driver’s car than any Pinto I’ve driven.
Nobody was buying VW Beetles for their roomy interiors, while the Honda Civic and VW Rabbit were a few years into the future when the Pinto was introduced. The Fiat 128 was on the market, but…it was a Fiat. It was really the Civic and Rabbit that drove home – to North Americans – the benefits of good space utilization for small cars.
The hottest selling cars of the mid-1970s were the various GM Colonnade coupes, which were, if anything, even more space inefficient than the Pinto (and Vega).
Viewed in the context of its time, the Pinto doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary. My parents had a 1973 AMC Gremlin during this time, and its back seat made the Pinto’s back seat seem almost spacious! At least the Pinto didn’t feature a bizarre lower rear-seat cushion, unlike the Gremlin.
Nobody was buying VW Beetles for their roomy interiors,
They were buying Corollas and Coronas and Datsun 510s and….
The Corolla had a surprisingly decent ability to carry four adults. It was one of the reasons it was #2 in C/D’s 1971 small car comparison, beat only by the superbly space efficient Simca 1204. But if the Corolla had been available with the 1600cc engne that came along about 6 months later, it would have one, largely on the strength of its interior accommodations.
The 2.0 engines came with a Weber carb from the factory, it was just licensed from Holley who had licensed it from Weber. The outside said Motorcraft but inside the fuel bowl it said Weber. Holley/Ford did make some changes mainly in the airhorn design but a number of the parts are interchangeable and there is no real advantage to the Weber version other than it is available.
If you read that C/D 15,000 mile test article, they describe very serious issues and factory changes/upates/fixes with the Pinto carb. I’m guessing many folks swapped in a Weber carb out of a Weber box because it didn’t have all those emission driveability issues. i know it was a fairly common swap.
A company called Borlay Engineering made a twin cam cylinder head kit for the 2 liter engine in these cars. I remember seeing their ad in a Pinto repair manual.
A Motorcraft 2100 will work too with an adapter plate. My uncle installed one a 4 cyl Mustang that he was flipping.
Great write-up Paul.
Although I lived through the times, I never ever rode in or drove one of these torture chambers. The smallest car any of us (our group of friends) had was a ’66 Mustang, and that was a difficult enough car in which to be stuck in the back seat…..
…Wait, there was one guy in our group that had a ’74 Beetle. Yeah, that was nearly impossible to ride in the back seat too. He would later trade that for a Rabbit, and after that an Escort. The Escort actually wasn’t too too bad, better than a Pinto I would imagine, but still way too small for my tastes at the time.
Now I have a Civic Coupe… What the hell happened? ;o) Perhaps I finally realized I didn’t need all that much car to commute myself to work after all.
My guess is that these cars were only popular because of the cheap cost and the energy crisis. Filling up my ’73 LTD back then was the REAL torture… but as usual, I digress…
There were two Pintos in my family. My brother had a brand new 1971 Dark green Hatchback with the 2.0 and 4 speed. My mother had a new 1974 Pinto four door station wagon. Now I’ll take issue with C&D about the rear seat in the Hatchback. My beef is that no normal person would have assumed it was for passengers. I saw the car as a two passenger car back then and there were never more than two in my brother’s car. Never in the back seat of the wagon and come to think of it never in the passenger seat either.
As for handling I don’t recall the steering wheel whipping around on a bump in either car. Of course my mother’s wagon was a DOG and it took phone calls by me to the Regional HQ to get the car looked at. The car was dumped in four years for an Audi 100L auto which was a step up especially inside.
My brother’s car, within one year, had suspension upgrades along with upgrades to the engine resulting into a fire breathing 11:1 2.0L ready for SCCA races alongside Datsun 510s. My brother was a budding mechanic and is now a top diagnostic mechanic with United. All this reminds me to ask him what ever became of that Pinto when he joined the Navy in 1976.
One had to be there in the times and I know Paul fits the timeline like me. Only difference is that I had the cars around me every day back then so I tend to see them in a different light to go with the times. The times being a gas crisis.
The Pinto started out as structurally deficient due to a very low weight (and cost) target. Ford improved its structure over the years considerably, improving its structural integrity and associated benefits (and weight). I suspect your mom’s wagon had all or some of those by 1974.
The ’71s were best for racing, because they were the lightest.
You are right about the 71. At 90 mph one felt as if you were in a car made out of a thin aluminum beer can that you can crush between your two hands.
Having driven a Pinto at 90 mph, I can say with some authority that YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT.
Where were you in 1971? I had a GF with a new 2.0 Pinto, and I drove at 90 several times. Not really a big deal, actually, but then I’ve driven my ’66 F100 at 90 too, along with a few other loose collections of nuts and bolts. 🙂
Well the engine could more than handle it and then some. Suspension upgrades steadied it out. No way you could change how the wind noise rippled over the sheet metal and how the body rattled at that speed. Paul having lived in the Bay Area probably knows of Contra Costa County. May know something of Highway 12 out to the Central Valley along the top of the levee separating the delta on one side from the farm land 10′ lower on the other side of the road. Oh, it is also one lane each direction so passing semis was not unknown back then.
Parents ’72 (sedan) drove fine at 90, was very stable at highway speeds. The wagon may have been better with more weight on the back. But in the rain the light rear end would too easily spin the tires, I did spin it once on a wet side street going around a corner too fast.
“Unless it’s been changed out, the ’73s still used the German-built 2.0 L SOHC four, which is known as the “Pinto engine”
Based on the engine image, this is the 2.0 unit. The 2.3 did not have ribs stamped into the top of the cover, and also deleted the two cover bolts located on the cam tower.
Funny timing. I was just watching a vintage comparison of the Pinto (hatch) vs Vega (wagon).
If you ask me, Lindemann was far too easy on the Vega. Yikes!
BUD LINDEMANN ROAD TEST FORD PINTO VS CHEVY VEGA
https://youtu.be/j3GbgQDKqAs
My parents bought a ’76 Pinto MPG wagon with a 4-speed new in 1976.
As previously disclosed, I’d owned a ’72 Vega Kammback, in black, one year earlier. It too had a 4-speed.
Those who called the Ford “Pisso” were absolutely correct when it came to driving the thing. BUT it also shifted well and wasn’t difficult, just dull and lifeless.
The Vega was a ball to drive. It rode better, handled better, had more power. But as anyone who owned one back-in-the-day will tell you, the “agricultural” engine, even with its superior power and acceleration, was garbage. And rust!!!!
THAT’s how Ford won the small-car wars in the 70s. Slow and steady won that race.
Anybody remember the 1976 Pinto MPG? A friend of mine had one. And later he had a ’77 Mercury Bobcat wagon. And the engine here in our featured car is the German 2.0L. And I agree the sedans trunk is almost useless, but they do hold a lot of beer. Don’t ask me how I know that 🙂
There was also a Mustang II MPG.
Chrysler also offered a “Feather Duster” and “Lite” version of the Plymouth Duster and Dodge Dart Sport, respectively, for those interested in maximum gas mileage.
I had a 76 Pinto MPG, the best mileage it ever got was 30 mpg…and that only happened with 2 fill ups. “Normally” it barely managed 22-23 mpg.
An interesting aspect of the 1971 Pinto was its $1919 price when, just a year earlier, a 1970 Maverick could have been had for a mere $76 more. Yeah, it would have been poverty-spec but still definitely worth the very low extra cash over the Pinto.
At the very least, the Maverick would have had a back seat capable of carrying real adults.
I’ve ridden in the back of both Pintos and Mavericks and believe me, the Maverick may have had more room, but as I recall it wasn’t in places where it was needed by human passengers.
The Maverick was a dorky old-fashioned car with a bench seat and column shift. My folks had one and I was forced to drive it until I could get my own wheels. A used VW Bug felt like a sports car in comparison. Certainly the Pinto had more style and fun than a Maverick.
I see the point. The Maverick was definitely old-fashioned, a Falcon rebodied to look sporty, whereas the Pinto was new and fresh. The Maverick had a craptacular bench seat and three-on-the-tree. You got buckets and a floor-shift four-speed in the Pinto. Neither were much fun but, of the two, I can see why many went for the Pinto.
I stepped from a ’63 VW Bug into a new ’72 Pinto coupe and just loved it. (I really wanted a Corolla SR5 but Dad wouldn’t help me with the down on anything but an American car.)
I’ve always liked the styling, the seating position was just fine, and I enjoyed the 2.0 liter OHC engine and 4-speed that fell readily to hand as they used to say. It was a great car the first couple of years.
My girlfriend and I took a couple of friends on a 500-mile round trip in it, and they did indeed thoroughly hate the back seat. The Pinto was never meant to be more than a 2+2.
But then it started falling apart and rusting out. I think it was entirely put together with sheet metal screws. After only five years I ditched it and got a new Honda Civic CVCC 5-speed, which was a total joy and a major step up in quality.
those front seats look lke they came out of an american motors product judging by the bolsters on the seat bottoms
A Pinto wagon does seem silly from our point of view today. But back in 1970, a station wagon was a mile long with wood on the side, and a sports car had room for two people and maybe one suitcase. Hot hatchbacks were a decade in the future.
Some people, including writers at Car and Driver IIRC, were calling for a sports wagon, a sports car that could at least carry a week’s worth of luggage or groceries, or a surfboard or skis. In other words a sports car that could be practical as an active single person’s or young couple’s only car. In ’72 Volvo’s 1800ES responded to this demand.
Properly equipped, a Pinto wagon could come pretty close to filling that spec. That possibility and the image that came with it was one reason they were popular.
I have many early memories of riding in the back of the one my parents had, which they inherited from my departed grandfather. Back seat wasn’t too bad as a kid, but I remember it always had a burnt petroleum and hot black vinyl smell inside. It was a yellow ’79 wagon with fake wood, so it looked like a rotten banana. It shared the garage with an ’83 Aries, so at our house the K-car was the “good car.”
When I was looking for a car way back in 1978, I test-drove a ’74 or ’75 Pinto. I was not impressed. My only other Pinto experience was way, way back in my senior year in high school, when a group of us tried to lift a classmate’s new ’71 Pinto onto the sidewalk. Alas, we needed a few more dimwitted but strong bodies. We could lift one end, barely.
Japanese auto execs are still laughing about the Pinto it was a boon for their businesses, Ive only seen a few Pintos they werent sold here but MK2 Cortinas were and they were quite popular and held up ok, the MK3 Cortina was extremely popular especially with commercial travellers and the govt fleet.
Cars with long production runs often improve in workmanship over time. According to Popular Mechanics, Pinto workmanship never improved enough to compete with the Japanese. As owner’s quality expectations also became much higher by the end of the decade, thanks to the influx of Toyota, Honda and others.
In the April 1981 Ford Escort Owners Report, PM observed: “The Pinto used to be one of those American cars with a so-so quality reputation. When we first surveyed Pinto owners back in January 1972, 42 percent rated the car’s overall workmanship as ‘poor-to-average’.
As time passed, the Pinto’s score worsened. By 1979, 59.1 percent of its owners gave the Pinto’s workmanship a ‘poor-to-average’ rating. Meanwhile, quality among the imports was going up.”
As consumers expected far more in a new car purchase, the Pinto remained the shitbox it always was. 🙂
Great article! We actually had a ’72 Pinto wagon, bought cheap in ’79 when a friend got transferred to Japan for a year.Dark green, light green interior. Put on a set of Vredestein radials and with the German derived 2.3L sohc 4, rack and pinon steering, and pretty hard springing, it was a fun to drive litte driver for my 30 mile drive to Ellicott City until it got rear ended by a 18 yr old kid at a stoplight!
The Pinto was truly dreadful, at least the Wagon lacked the explode-o-matic gas tank.
A former co-worker bought a new :1980 Pinto hatchback which I rode in from Madison to Mipls – I kept wondering why she got it-
I would of waited for the Escort, hope she had gotten a good deal.
Ours must have been a 2.0 as it had the ribbed valve cover. It was an auto but that 4cyl would wind up and get going fairly well. I remember it as being a pretty fun driver, and lucklly our daughter was 2, so she fit in the back seat in the brief time that we had it.
Given how lightly built the early Pintos were and the timing, unless otherwise proven I think the hatchback was part of the original plan and it was a phased rollout. Four months between the first look at the competition’s sales numbers and launch just isn’t enough time to engineer a hole into a body structure where a parcel shelf used to be. They have to have been developed in parallel.
Getting the wagon out there as a ’72 1/2 was definitely the result of a crash program, and it resulted in a better cargo than people-hauler.
Uhmm, given the Pinto’s flaming notoriety, talk of crash programs is probably best avoided.
The decline in perceived Pinto quality was no accident 🙂
I can speak as one who owned / drove both a ’73 Vega GT Kammback and a ’73 Pinto Squire.
The Kammback was our second Vega purchase (following Dad’s base ’71 notchback that became my first car). Dad rebuilt and sleeved the engine, which made it reliable, but the 3-speed automatic sucked any joy out of driving the car, especially when the a/c was running. This car was definitely nicer to be in than the ’71, as it had carpet and sound deadening. Fit and finish were about the same, otherwise. A ’72 Kammback joined the fleet as my brother’s daily about a year later.
The Pinto Squire was purchased new by my Uncle as his daily. White with dynoc-woodgrained side panels, it complemented their ’72 Torino wagon nicely. The car passed into my hands in the mid-1980s with a dead engine, which I swapped with a junkyard-sourced unit. Overall fit and finish seemed quite a bit nicer than the Vega, but the driving experience was much poorer (also an automatic with a/c). I passed this car along to my youngest brother who was at a rough point in his life at the time. He used it to move out to Texas where my Dad had moved after divorcing my Mom – we made the trip in one all-night shot in the middle of the summer. The car kept overheating, which necessitated numerous cooling down stops. Unfortunately, my brother trashed the car and eventually abandoned it.
While I like the styling of the Pinto wagon, my pick would still be the Vega. When I swapped in a Buick 3.8l into my ’71, we transferred the engine and 4-speed manual to the Kammback (and ditched the a/c) – it was a lot more fun to drive afterwards.
Preferred car of the Skokie Nazis in the Blues Brothers met its appropriate end pancaked from a helicopter.
A good friend from high school had an older brother who drove a Mustang with a 428 SCJ. He wrecks the thing. My friend’s family had a ’73 Mach 1 and a Pinto wagon. They rip the 302 out of the Mach and put it in the wagon. They put the 428 in the Mach 1. I don’t know the details otherwise about how they made it work or if there was major sledgehammering or metal cutting involved with any of the transplants, but both recipients were still being driven daily years later.
I imagine a 302 Pinto would have been a fun ride.
“If you want to know why CUVs are so popular with folks above a certain age, it’s because they were forced to spend their formative years in a Pinto wagon.”
Funny, my father had a ’73 Pinto wagon when I was a tween/teen and I wouldn’t be caught dead in ANY CUV. I’d sooner have an ’80s minivan than drive a soul-sucking CUV turd (sorry for the redundancy).
Well, when a Pinto broke down (frequently) it was generally something that could be repaired. And though they rusted enthusiastically, it was about average for the time. When the Vega broke down (frequently) it was probably due to the vast amounts of oil blowby fouling everything in the engine due to the unrepairable “insta-score” aluminum cylinder walls, and the Vegas rusted with almost unimaginable speed. I had a four year old Vega with penetrating rust holes, in Dallas Texas, where the words “road salt” are never heard.
Great write up Paul, a wonderful read. I think cars like this really were the result of form taking absolute control over function. This was the end of the era of unbridled styling and it seems all the effort went into making cars look good (at least in the context of the times) but at the expense of space efficiency and functionality. This era seems to be peak space inefficiency for most American cars.
No one in my immediate or extended family ever bought these American subcompacts of this era, so I was never really exposed to them as a kid. The closest I came was one of my best friend’s parents had a Chevette that I thought was a real torture chamber compared to my parents big cars. Thankfully I rode in their Suburban more often than the troublesome Chevette. The worst I had to deal with was the back seat of a 70’s 2-door coupe, which wasn’t that bad in comparison. They didn’t have a lot of leg room, but you got a real full size seat.
Very nice article. My significant other in the late 70’s had a Pinto Squire just like the one in one of the pics – pea green with fake wood Dinoc paneling. I cursed that car everyday. The Lima 2.3 was the thrashiest engine I ever drove, and that included a later Lawnboy riding mower. I changed the oil for her once and refused to do it again – trying to get to the the filter required double joints. The seats were so badly raked and so thinly padded I could only stand a 30 minute drive.
My car at the time was a 76 Plymouth Arrow, which was a Mitsubishi Celeste with US bumpers – a great car that was everything the Pinto wasn’t.
I’m not sure how much the Pinto was a factor but the relationship didn’t last…
There was no back seat.
Instead – there were two “butt cups”
To get into the back seat, you needed to weigh less than 175 pounds and able to fold up like a Swiss army knife. Then you opened the door, folded the front seat forward, and then with your feet still outside the car, on the ground – lower yourself backwards to drop into one of the butt cups. Then you pulled your legs into the car as you would a pair of crutches, across the entire back and then folded your legs. The front seat would be folded back, so that the top of the front seat was about six inches from your face. If you were wearing sandals, you could put your feet directly under the front seat.
To get out, you slid sideways so that you can put your feet back on the ground outside the car, and then you used your arms and the front seat to pull yourself out of the car.
If you were born Cesarean, you’d be unfamiliar with this move.
Butt cups! Hilarious!
When our second son was born, we had temporarily and unfortunately a Geo Metro as our family car. I thought that thing was small in the back but nothing like that Pinto.
1971 FoMoCo film, “How To Assist Rear Seat Passengers in Exiting a Pinto”
We had a ’72 Pinto sedan, same color as this example towing a dirt bike as Mt. Saint Helens erupts. Always wished parents bought the wagon, it ran well with its 2.0 and 4 speed trans, the factory AC worked great.
Mt. St. Helens – or did someone just rear-end a Pinto?
I was driving I-5 in one of the infamous fog banks in central California, I was going about 35 MPH (this was in my old ’73 Beetle), soon after I passed a 18 wheeler a Pinto sedan was stopped in the right lane, I nearly hit it, the driver appeared to be passed out. About 30 seconds later I heard a loud boom and the fog behind me turned orange as the truck must have plowed into the Pinto. I’ll never forget that night, it was about 1:30 am. I kept going, too dangerous to stop and risk getting hit.
My parents took a vacation to San Francisco (we were living in Cleveland at the time) in 1973. They rented a ’73 Pinto hatchback which my mom loved. So, the following year they traded in their ’71 Country Squire for a ’74 Pinto wagon in California Gold (a sort of school bus yellow color). I was 4 at the time, and spent much time with my brother (4 years older than me) and frequently my grandmother. We kept this wagon for several years. I have many memories of riding in the backseat and wayback. I suppose it was cramped, but we never noticed. My parents later bought a ’76 hatchback and a ’74 hatchback. We had zero problems with these cars from what I remember.
Wait, so the Pinto’s underpinnings were indeed based on a shortened yet widened UK Ford Cortina chassis?
Would it be correct to say the underpinnings were rooted in the then contemporary Mk3 Cortina or was it likely previous gen mk2 Cortina? The latter which like the Pinto was also capable of receiving a V6 (via the Cortina Perana V6) and whose platform also used in the Mk1-Mk3 Capri and Corsair as well as very loosely in the Mk1-Mk2 Hyundai Pony.
Because the Pinto being based on the Mk3 Cortina would pretty much put to rest the idea it was not capable of spawning a 4-door body style, also the Mk3-Mk5 Cortina (including loosely the Hyundai Stellar) and European Mk1-Mk2 Granada were beneath the surface platform wise said to be closely related (the latter V8 capable via Granada Perana V8).
It would also suggest that Ford could have used the Mk3 Cortina and European Mk1 Granada to produce a smaller Capri replacement and a larger Mustang replacement.
They could have also gone further with the modular approach by producing a larger mid-sized / downsized flagship platform (as was planned at one point for the Australian Falcon XD) to underpin the Torino / LTD II and Australian Fairlane / LTD, essentially a less sophisticated version of the De Tomaso Deauville and Longchamp.
https://www.shannons.com.au/club/news/classic-garage/1979-82-ford-xd-falcon-was-ford-robbed/
Not forgetting as well the Mk1-Mk2 Cortina derived Capri was capable of being equipped with a V8 on top of a V6, like on the Pinto based Mustang II.
https://www.perana.org/capriv8.asp