(first posted 11/6/2012) The 1970s was the decade when small cars became a significant part of the U.S. auto market. You can argue that the ’60s marked the start of that trend, but there was a huge difference: In the early ’60s, American small cars were every bit as good as their imported competition. If that seems like a slight exaggeration, the fact is the American triplets of Corvair, Falcon and Valiant were relatively small cars that did what they were supposed to do: Start every morning, and then bring you home every night. During the first compact boom, many foreign competitors (VW was a notable exception) could not always make that claim. By 1962, the Corvair had been marginalized, and the ultra-conventional Chevy II embodied the very attributes of an American small car–solid, reliable, and dull as dishwater.
That said, I suppose it’s little wonder that when the U.S. industry decided to enter the sub-compact territory in the early 1970s, those “American Car” attributes were seen as good things by executives in Detroit and Dearborn. Although both GM and Ford (Lynn Townsend’s Chrysler Corporation would sit out this round of innovation) already had well-developed small car platforms in Europe, both companies chose to rely on them only minimally. While the debut versions of the Vega and Pinto might disappoint fans of European Opels and Fords, they’d be seen (at least initially) by those Americans who insisted on such vehicles as acceptable small cars.
But once the Vega and Pinto were in showrooms, U.S. firms decided to take their small-car game to the next level. I can hear it now: “Let’s make a small car that WE would want to drive.” What was it that “we” wanted to drive in the mid-1970s? Clearly, it was something with a vinyl roof, opera windows, deep-grained vinyl upholstery and thick carpeting. And thick vinyl side moldings. Lots of thick vinyl side moldings. There was no more skillful purveyor of 1970s-style fashion than the Ford Motor Company and, true to form, Ford was first to the showroom with its “better” small car . They called it Mustang II.
Most who view the Mustang II do so through the prism of the original Mustang, an perspective often not very flattering to the latter car–yet perhaps that’s not the best analysis. Actually, the car that became the Mustang II represented Ford’s way of packaging most of the goodness of a Gran Torino, or even an LTD, into a package only slightly larger than a Pinto. Isn’t that what the American car buyer really wanted? Lee Iacocca thought so, and who would know better?
As usual, Chevrolet got into the game a bit later. Seen as more of a driver’s car, their Vega seemed the more appealing package in the fall of 1970. However, its legendary design compromises and quality lapses sucked up a lot of attention at GM, and perhaps that obscured the urgency of moving on to version 2.0 of the platform–or perhaps GM’s product planners were satisfied with their work, and reacted only after rumors of the Mustang II had wafted across town.
One year after the debut of the Mustang II, Chevy dealerships began receiving the first Monza 2+2s. In a way, GM got it backwards: In Brougham-crazy America, the last thing Mr. Leisure Suit and Ms. Pantsuit wanted was another little hatchback. Ford understood this from the get-go, and had offered a notchback coupe right out of the gate. Chevy would be a little slower on the uptake, and a few months behind, but by April 1975 had come up to speed with the Monza Towne Coupe.
Yes, Towne Coupe. Not Town Coupe. That would be a Lincoln. The Towne Coupe was, let’s face it, the Chevrolet Mustang II. Let’s give the Chevy boys some credit on one thing – they did not call the car Camaro II and try to bathe it in styling cues from the ’67 Camaro (to the extent that the inaugural Camaro actually had any). I guess the recycled Corvair wheelcovers were a nice touch.
It is well known that the original Camaro was a blatant reaction to the 1964 1/2 Mustang. The Monza Towne Coupe makes it clear that by the mid-1970s (if not immediately after the tragic chapter of the Corvair), Chevrolet had stopped trying to influence the basic package defined by its crosstown rival. The Towne Coupe was a Mustang II infused with enough Chevy personality to appeal to GM die-hards (who in those years represented a very large number of customers).
Under its skin, the Monza wasn’t much more than an improved Vega, essentially sharing that car’s aluminum four-cylinder engine and basic architecture. However, it did manage to resolve some of the Vega’s notorious rear suspension bottoming and hop issues. With the Monza’s arrival, the Vega became relegated to econocar status as the Monza was given all the sex appeal.
Speaking of sex appeal, the Monza did one thing from the get-go that the Mustang II didn’t; specifically, offer an optional V8 engine right off the bat. The Monza’s light weight made even the little, de-smogged 262 cu in (4.3-liter) V8 seem powerful. It is also the car made famous by the discovery that it was impossible to change spark plugs without slightly lifting the engine from its mounts. Ten pounds of engine in a nine pound engine bay? It would appear so.
The Monza is an early indicator of the indecisive management that eventually doomed GM. It seems that Chevrolet never quite figured out what the Monza was supposed to be. Ponycar? Little brougham? Pocket rocket? Econobox? Matters were made worse in 1978 when the Monza’s new front sheetmetal was grafted onto the now-discontinued Vega hatchback and wagon to create the new Monza base coupe and the Monza wagon. This was also the year the Pontiac Iron Duke replaced the unloved Vega aluminum four as the base engine; a couple of V6s, including the Buick 3.8-liter, also made the lineup. In fairness, Chevrolet was selling a lot of Camaros at the time, which probably imposed restrictions on just where the Monza should be positioned in the lineup.
One thing the Monza never did was to outsell the Mustang II. Until the two former Vega models got sucked into the lineup in 1978, the Monza managed to sell between 2/3 (1975) to one-half (1976-77) of the MII’s volume. Even with a base hatch and a wagon available in 1978, Monza hit only about 2/3 of the Mustang’s volume (and don’t forget that Ford was still selling a fair number of Pintos). It is interesting that while Mustang coupes generally outsold hatchbacks by about two-to-one, that ratio typically was reversed with the Monza. It is also interesting that the Monza had its best sales years in 1979 and 1980, its fifth and sixth years of production with very little change, and following the demise of the archrival Mustang II.
I think I understand. One of my three law-school roommates had a ’75 Mustang II base coupe, and another had an ’80 Monza base 2+2. Both cars were four-cylinders with stick shifts. Both were slow, rough, fairly noisy and made a guy with a slant six Scamp feel like a genius. But the Ford felt like a higher-quality car in terms of body structure and interior materials. The Monza was all molded plastic. Put another way, the Mustang II felt a lot more like an LTD than the Monza felt like a Caprice. The Monza was probably the better car to drive and to own for the long haul, but the Ford landed in a fatter part of the market with better showroom appeal.
Here is a mystery to ponder. These Monzas were pretty solid structurally, not bad against rust, had moderately durable engines (other than the Vega-derived base four) and were set up for V8 power. So where did they all go? The Mustang II was a rust bucket of the first order, and is as unloved by Ford fans as any car since the 1958 Fairlane. Yet in my personal and very unscientific study, there seem to be more Mustang IIs than Monzas still around. I first saw this Monza last winter, and since then I have not seen another. So much for the CC effect. This V6-powered car is owned by a young mechanic who works in his grandfather’s repair shop. He picked it up precisely because they are so seldom seen, and kindly permitted me to take some pictures.
After thinking things over, I’ve decided that I sort of like the little pup (although the unusual color is not my thing). But what is its legacy? Was it an underachiever with an identity crisis that displayed an occasional flash of above-averageness, at least compared with its crosstown rival? Or was it a decent car that sort of got lost between the Vega’s infamy and the Camaro’s dominance? I don’t know. Maybe its muddled image and mission continue to dog it, because this seems to be the one small Chevy most everyone has forgotten.
I have never seen one of these cars until now and I sincerely hope I never see another.
Its a shame this generation never got to see the 1977 Monza Mirage. Here is mine present day. That is factory showroom body work, folks. You’d want to see this one, Richarbl. The engineers at the 2017 Chevrolet Nationals at Carlisle sure wanted to see it.
“It is also interesting that the Monza had its best sales years in 1979 and 1980, its fifth and sixth years of production with very little change, and following the demise of the archrival Mustang II.”
1980 model year sales were undoubtedly helped by the effects of the second energy crisis, which hit during 1979. I believe that 1980 model year Monza production also continued through the end of calendar year 1980, with new 1980 Monzas being available well into the 1981 model year. Chevrolet did this because the new front-wheel drive Cavalier wouldn’t be ready until the spring of 1981 (when it appeared as an early 1982 model), and the relatively economical Monza was one of the few Chevy models that hadn’t taken a sales hit due to the energy crisis and resulting recession. I don’t know if there was any particular reason why they didn’t just call them 1981 models (the same way there were ’79 Novas even though the Nova was taken out of production in December 1978 and the Citation then arrived in the spring of 1979 as an early 1980 model).
The reason was tighter emissions control standards for the 1981 model year. The mfgs can continue to produce vehicles that meet a given years emission standards until Dec 31st of that year. The Scout II had a long year in 1980 since they didn’t have anything to meet 1981 standards. There are also other examples in later years too.
Another interesting detail, Chevrolet dropped the Monza name for the J-body while Buick continued to use Skyhawk and Pontiac used J2000 briefly to revive the Sunbird name.
Ironically, Chevrolet keeped the Monza name for a J-body variant sold in Brazil. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hugo90/5190562777/
Here another picture of the Brazilian J-body Monza, this time a 2-door sedan with front vent windows http://www.flickr.com/photos/hugo90/5183337520/
That must have been the european Opel Monza as well: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Monza
Not quite, the Brazilian Monza was a J-body, so the Euro Opel equivalent was the Opel Ascona. The Opel Monza was a hatchback version of the larger Opel Commodore/Senator (which evolved into the current Holden Commodore aka Pontiac G8)
“But the Ford felt like a higher-quality car in terms of body structure and interior materials. The Monza was all molded plastic. Put another way, the Mustang II felt a lot more like an LTD than the Monza felt like a Caprice.”
Having had a 74 Mustang II Ghia, I agree. Ford ads mentioned it’s jewel like quality. Everything seemed to fit well together. Door panels were vinyl from the carpeted kick panel to the window……..this while Mopars still had metal painted doors http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Dodge/1974_Dodge/1974_Dodge_Full-Line_Brochure/1974%20Dodge%20Full-Line%2024-25.html and Monzas had cheesy molded plastic, that all the brochures were heavily airbrushed didn’t convey reality too well. http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Chevrolet/1976_Chevrolet/1976_Chevrolet_Monza_Brochure/1976%20Chevrolet%20Monza-a04.html
The Mustang II Ghia’s interior looked a lot like my dad’s 74 Grand Torino Elite Brougham with it’s faux wood dash cluster with gauges, thick carpet and padding. Which looked like DNA from a Lincoln Mark IV.
The Monza’s interior didn’t look any better than a decor Pinto, and was hardly an improvement over a Vega.
I can tell you from my tortured life driving a 1980 Monza through the 80’s….this was one plastic fantastic car that couldn’t be bothered for refinement. They had some strange ideas about that car, such as the “stereo” option being one speaker in the passenger front kick panel, and the other being in the furthest, rear driver’s side corner of the hatch area, and of a different size/shape. It had a half-unibody/half-frame design. The front control arm mounts were box sections on the unibody and had a habit of collapsing inward when tightened to spec. It was a car that jiggled without mercy at anything above 45 mph.
The interior plastic that surrounded every surface granulated in the sun, cracked, split, you name it. The dash was one big giant molding of plastic, the same size as what you see in the ad above. It reached from the far left to the glove box, and included the cluster itself. Once when I reached for the wiper switch to the left of the steering wheel, it pushed right through the dash. The plastic standoffs broke at their base and said “no more”. The repair was to custom craft a bracket that held the switch against the opening from the firewall. You’d never know it from the outside.
The Iron Duke 2.5L with Rochester 2SE carb shook like the agricultural tractor stereotype. They had a notorious habit of shearing the neck off the upper radiator inlet. After the fourth time, mine was “modded” with a bracket bolted to the radiator cowl, clamping on to the upper radiator hose ahead of the radiator, a small iron pipe section being inside the hose. This dampened the vibrations enough to reduce the propensity to shear off the radiator bits. The 4-speed Sagniaw transmission was intended for V8s and when put behind a 4-cylinder showed its VERY distant spacing between 3rd and 4th. Wind it up to red line climbing a hill in 3rd and be greeted with lugging if shifted to 4th prior to the apex. The stiff clutch required a hefty left leg to engage. Clutch cables would break about every 60k miles. Brake pads by design rattled loosely in the calipers over bumps. They had mounts with gigantic fudge factors in mating surfaces.
Although I nursed it to 181k, it was by far the most poor-handling, slowest-accelerating, long-braking POS I’ve ever driven. Good riddance.
Other than that what did you think…?
Fresh out of Community College, my first new car was a ’75 Monza coupe. And I loved the hell out of it! I didn’t care about all the plastic. I didn’t care about the 2.5L engine. I simply loved the way it looked and handled.
Sadly, it died a premature death, not by ultraviolet light exposure, but by my new bride going joy riding in it without my knowing, and wound up grinding the transmission clutch plates dang near completely smooth (to this day, I still don’t know how she accomplished THAT!).
Dang!, I miss that car.
I agree with your assessment — I’m heavily GM-biased* but think the Mustang II was a far better vehicle in nearly all respects. It’s amazing how much difference just door panels themselves make.
*applies until mid 90’s only
That was one reason you don’t see many Monzas on the road any more. The plastics GM used in the 70s were notorious for UV-related decomposition. They Monza being all plastic on the inside (yes the entire dash was one big giant molded plastic monster, including the gauge cluster behind that bezel, stretching the entirety between the a-pillars), so after a few years there was nothing left to hold the car together. My 1980 Monza had its windshield wiper switch fall through the dash due to the decomposition of the mounting posts on the backside of the lower dash area. And this was an area that never saw light. It didn’t help that the “wash” function was a push of the slide switch. It only accelerated the mount’s demise. Solution was to craft a metal bracket to hold the switch against the dash via the firewall.
My sister has the ’79 Pontiac Sunbird hatchback bought brand new. It had the honeycomb wheels and she had the rear spoiler put on at the dealer and added the lettered tires and it looked like the Formula version without it’s sport steering wheel but did have the Radial Tuned Suspension badge . We called it “the mini Trans Am” (lol). Actually it was rather sharp. That car was passed through 3 hands in the family (including mine) in the course of about 11 years. None of the plastic interior fell apart or rotted and it even had a factory flip-up sunroof with no shade of any type. Was it a great car, no, but was by no means a piece of shit. Definitely got our $ worth out if it. I remember the doors sagged (which was an easy fix) and one of the exterior flip up style metal door handles split. The hydraulic lifts on the rear hatch also failed but this was common amongst many makes and having a heavy louver added to it (popular at the time) didn’t help I’m sure. I would have to agree with the other writer that they must search out the biggest POS example to feature here at times. I’m from the Detroit area and that coupe style was a rarity. The hatchbacks were more prevalent.
None of the “brightwork” was inferior either. The chrome trim and chrome on the bumpers was of superior quality like any other higher end GM models I owned. I don’t know where yours were built but obviously not the same place as ours.
I don’t see how this car was in the same class as a Mustang II. My Dad’s mother-in-law had a Mustang II and although she was rather affluent, didn’t flaunt it. The ’79 Pontiac Sunbird was my sister’s first brand new car when she got her first full-time job at the age of 21. I remember my Dad driving that fancy Ford Ghia and the brake pedal had broken off. There was just a steel stub to stop the car. That woman only kept her cars a few years and I know it was newer.
I remember reading about the Monza in an older car magazine when I was younger. I liked the looks of it and at the time, I didn’t know anything about the Vega’s terrible reputation, etc.
I actually like the way the 1980 models look. Very sharp and “sporty”. I’m sure people chopped them up to put better engines in, etc.
Wow, until I saw these pictures, I didn’t realize how much the 1st-gen Cavalier looked like the Monza. That roof line doesn’t lie.
My only real Monza memory was in the fall of ’84, my eight-year-old self was with my parents on the used car lot at the local Chevy dealer, looking for a replacement for our ’78 Chevette that had just been totaled. They didn’t have any ’79-’82 Chevettes that we were looking for, but would we be interested in this ’79 Monza? A quick and nearly simultaneous “NO!” from both of my parents indicated that we would be off to another dealer.
That is one of the saddest looking cars that I have seen in a long time.
I’ve always been under the impression that the Monza was still a huge rustbucket and it’s big improvement from the Vega was that most of them didn’t come with the awful SOHC motor? I’ve heard stories that these cars were so weak, structurally, that when ordered with one of the V8’s the doors would end up being impossible to close fully within a few years from the unibody shell being twisted out of shape by the (not that impressive) amount of torque pulling at the motor mounts.
That’s really the only way I know these cars, though – through stories. Monzas and Vegas are as foreign to me as a Facel-Vega. They’re something I’ve glimpsed a few times, but hardly know intimately. I was born only a couple years after their demise, but I can count on one hand the number I’ve consciously encountered on the road (tubbed dragster examples notwithstanding) since I became aware of their existence. In theory, I actually like them a lot and I think it’s a shame they’ve perished. All of the H-body cars are really interesting to me, and I bet they were a blast to drive when set up the right way. In traditional GM fashion, there was also a Monza for every style and function – from a dowdy Brougham Towne Coupe to a Monza Spyder 305/4-speed (must have been the ultimate donut machine of it’s day).
There’s a Car & Driver or Motor Trend article where they match up a ’75 Monza Towne Coupe against a ’75 Mustang II Ghia. If I remember correctly, they preferred the Mustang II, but I can’t remember why… I’ll try to see if I can find it online.
I found this one from C&D – they concluded that the Monza was the better driving car. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/1975-chevrolet-monza-2+2-vs-ford-mustang-ii-archived-comparison
That’s exactly what I was thinking of, thanks! I got both the flavor of Monza/Mustang and the verdict wrong… must be early Alzheimers.
I’m amazed that even with the V8 and automatic, the Monza only had 55.9% of it’s weight over the front wheels. That’s quite a magic trick for a car of it’s size. I never really understood the point of this 262ci Chevy V8 though, which made no more power than a Buick V6, and I guess GM didn’t either since they canned it after two model years (AFAIK, it was only ever available in the Monza & Nova).
I put a good amount of faith in C/D’s opinions from this era and it seems like they were pretty high on the Monza, though clearly showing lowered expectations. I’d be curious to read what they thought of the later 305 powered examples…
“I never really understood the point of this 262ci Chevy V8 though, which made no more power than a Buick V6…”
Other than a V8 sound, apparently not much.
In the summer of ’81, one of my friends drove a ’75 Oldsmobile Omega with a 260 V8 and a 2 barrel. I never understood the point of that engine either. When cruising along at 35-40mph, Ralph would floor it, and other than the auto kickdown into a lower gear, it wouldn’t even accelerate. The engine would race and make that signature V8 sound at WOT, but the car wouldn’t accelerate! At all!
C&D in the late ’70’s was in a GM love-fest period. I remember their test of the ’77 Z28 …. it handled better than a Porsche; and every GM performance suspension package was lauded as providing the perfect ride/handling/road-feel balance compared to BMW or Mercedes. I drank some of that KoolAid and I still remember test driving a V8 Monza hatch (and liking it, but it was not available in California with the 4 speed) and a few years later buying a TransAm with the WS6 package, which of course I had learned about from C&D). The TA was a piece of junk (and yes, I had owned a Vega GT) and I traded it in on a Civic after 9 months and have never owned another GM car.
Yikes! 18.5 second quarter mile and 16 mpg? Ahh, the good olde days!
When I ran my ’78 Rabbit at the drags with its 1456 cc mountain motor, I had hoped to break 17 seconds, something laughably easy with most of today’s cars. The best I could do was a 17.3, largely due to a bum fuse panel that limited me to a max of 5300 rpm and third gear through the traps. When I was confronted by other car owners in line for time trials asking me what I had in the thing, I thought that they were mocking me. These guys were driving 305-307 Chevy Novas and 2800 cc V6 S-10 pickups. When I asked them what they were running the response was anywhere from 18.5s to 20.0 sec. They asked me what my secret was, which I gladly shared with them-power-to-weight ratio. With only 1750 lbs to motivate, it didn’t take monster horsepower to make good times. Before I could break the magical 17 sec barrier I blew the transmission which ended my drag racing days. VW transmissions are stupid expensive.
You nailed it on the head as why the early 80’s Civics were such a hoot to drive, with only 67hp and something like 1800# curb weight, they were fairly quick, especially when fitted with the smooth shifting 5spd manual instead of the slush box automatic.
If cars weighed less than they do, we’d do MUCH better with smaller motors with about half the hp, and get better mileage (more likely), and still have fun too.
My Mazda Protege5 is much like that old Civic, especially around town, but fine also on the interstate too.
I should have mentioned that the Monza was originally conceived as a vehicle for a rotary engine. However, when that powerplant failed to materialize, the piston engines were “plan B.” The V8 was originally only the little 262, but the larger 305 took its place within another year or two.
For some reason I remember seeing the Poncho version of this car, parked near the school playground in the early 80s, and thinking it was kinda sharp. Sunbird? Sunfire? Birdfire? Firefire? Something like that. I assume Junqueboi has twelve and can clear up any confusion. 🙂
Sunbird… but there was also a Pontiac version of the Vega called the Astre, and a dizzying number of Sunbird trim levels.
I think they looked pretty good too…
That interior is actually pretty snazzy looking — reminds me of the luxury trim Firebird Esprit.
The Pontiac Sunbird! I think that Pontiac and Chevy were the only ones to get the coupe. The Olds Starfire and the Buick Skyhawk (?) were only the hatchbacks, if memory serves.
Which is funny, because they were the upmarket brands and maybe would have done better with cute little notchback coupes. Buick didn’t really have something sporty at the time, though, so I see the decision there.
The Buick Skyhawk Astroroof was VERY cool!
http://monza.homestead.com/C06.html
LOL, very funny Cap’n but I’m afraid these models never even lived up to my incredibly low standards! “Birdfire” — love it.
Chevette? Check.
Citation? Affirmative.
1st-gen J-body? Been there & still doing that.
Fiero? Just can’t have enough of them.
FWD Cadillac with HT4100? You bet.
Vega/Monza? No way!
When I was going to school, someone had a silver Sunbird Formula — for some reason I was thinking it was a coupe — it was a very sharp car & the only one I had ever seen. It had the 4-lug Snowflake wheels, rear spoiler, and Formula steering wheel (identical to the T/A unit except for the lucite insert in the center cap).
The steering wheels in the Formula & Skyhawk variants are probably worth about as much as the cars they were installed in.
We have a winner! 🙂 How about a three-cylinder Sprint? The Daewoo Le Mans? Or must the junque be home-grown?
Thought of you at a car show a couple weekends ago. Chief Pontiac was represented by a clean early-model Fiero next to a 1910 Oakland! Something to be on the lookout for…
Home-grown only! Part of my early GM attraction is due to the assembly plants the vehicles were built in and the hidden documentation left behind by the factory workers in those plants. Another attraction is the nearly infinitely-configurable color & individual option offerings available.
The only deviances in the collection are my beater CRX, my wife’s ’96 Odyssey, & a couple of Type 1 VWs.
I love the original Honda Oddity. I owned a 96 before my T&C. It got wrecked. I tried to find another, but nice ones are getting hard to find, and I was in a hurry.
Oddity — funny! If there’s not an article here on one, I should probably give it a whirl because the 1st-gen “Ody”s are incredible vehicles.
How about a Ford Festiva or Fiesta (1st gen) for your serving of junque?
I’m pretty clueless in the Fordeign car dept!
Then how about a Geo “Pill-rizm” to satisfy your relentless GM hunger cravings?
Junqueboi! Junqueboi! Where are you?
I think you have lost it man, LOL! NUMMI cars just don’t cut it in my Obsession Department. I sure hope you don’t live near NC because things could get nasty if you stumble upon the
rightwrong cars 🙂What do you consider those cars to be?
CC, I’m sorry for the bad joke in the above comment but I have to have some place to dispense (pun intended) my car puns and CC happens to be a great outlet to dump them off and see people’s reactions to them.
I’m sorry
Alfasaab99
Most appropriately ‘parked’ or left next to the dumpster. I haven’t seen one of these since 1991 and sincerely hope that this picture represents the last time I EVER see another.
yuck.
Could this Monza possibly have the very rare Buick 3.2L V6?
When I found this car, I knew so little about them that I never thought to dig deeper when the owner told me it was a V6. I had assumed that there was only one, but for at least a year or two, I was incorrect.
These, and their Pontiac Sunbird counterparts, were typical transportation among my college buddies in the late 1980s. “Cheap and available,” of course, being the primary points of entry to college transportation. I drove several of them and, as college transportation, they didn’t suck. They weren’t particularly good, either. They just did the job.
As long as you only had one passenger, of course. The back seat had so little leg room, it was useless.
What’s funny is that after I graduated college (1989), these started rapidly disappearing from the streets. I don’t think I’ve seen one on the road since probably 1992ish.
A good friend of mine had one of the early V8 Monza hatchbacks. I was really looking forward to driving it and getting a real kick in the ass when I floored it. But even with the 4-speed the thing was a major slug. Zero throttle response. Clunktastic shifter. A truly forgettable piece of crap.
A older friend of mine when I was a kid was a bit of an H-body aficionado. He was a gear-head in general with tons of power toys and did his own mechanical work. His first car had been a colonnade LeMans, but the next time I visited he had a driveway full of Monza variants from the various GM divisions. About half of them were parts cars, and this was in the early ’80s. Most of my vehicular experience at the time consisted of riding in my parents Mopars and cars that belonged to my friends’ parents. The H-bodies were a revelation because they made every other car I’d ridden in seem incredibly competent. Their suspensions made horrible creaking noises and their engines were thrashy, powerless junk whether they had 4, 6, or 8 cylinders. My friend had them all. The next time I visited, he’d been through a Firebird and found happiness in the form of a Toyota 4×4. I went with him to retrieve the carcass of the Firebird from his ex-girlfriend’s house and piloted it down a mountain with no power or windshield, but that’s a story for another time. I didn’t really care for the Toyotas at the time, and still don’t like pickups with high floors and low seats, but his truck was the quickest of the bunch. I was a big fan of the Dekon Monzas that were beating Porsches and BMWs on the track, but the reality of the production cars was desultory.
What awful bombs these were. When I checked them out at our local Chevy dealer back in the day, I was horrified at the lack of quality and cheapness as to materials, but that began much earlier.
What did I find especially offensive? The hinges on the hatch. If I recall, there were just two small spot welds on each end of a hinge and they were very flimsy.
The interiors were no better, just a cheap and plastic-y as the Vega, but I expected a higher standard on these. I was quite disappointed and turned away quickly. Apparently, these dissolved just as quick, for it has been many years since I remember seeing one.
I don’t miss them, and think this was a greater GM deadly sin than the Vega.
Another nail in GM’s coffin for me that would last almost 30 years, sealed tight in 1977…not to open until 2004.
I actually liked the ’75 Monza hatchback my wife and I had when we were first married. It was a V-8/4-speed and much to my surprise, they made jacking up the engine easy by attaching a bracket to each motor mount, which was then bolted down to the subframe and easily accessible when the car was up in the air.
Brakes were another issue. Ours ate them…about 15,000 miles out of a set if we were fortunate. I can’t imagine how an automatic did in those pre-locking-converter days…of course Monza got the Vega brakes which explains everything.
Back in the 80’s you could buy a catalytic converter “test pipe” to “see if your converter was plugged and needs replacing”…wink, wink. I made that switch just before selling the car to a friend, who before taking possession helped us move 500 miles from Syracuse to Weirton, WV.
W/O the converter he got 30 MPG. No fudging…no stretching. 30MPG with a carbureted 4.3 (262-inch) V-8.
You can still buy test pipes for some cars, I’ve seen them recently for Subarus. “For off-road or race use only.” Mmmhmm…
SU Grad. chas?
I replaced the catalytic converter on my 75 Eldo with a “test pipe” in the mid 1980’s. I must have gotten the last pipe in existence, and was told repeatedly by mechanics that I would have to replace the converter when the pipe rusted away in order to pass state inspections.
The car was hit head on in 1993, totalling an otherwise great car with 70K miles. As far as the Monza is concerned, a guy I worked with had one. I never was impressed with it.
Although those first generation converters were very inefficient and had high restriction, at least they helped preserve the rest of the exhaust system. Once the converter was removed, the muffler and tailpipe tended to rust much faster – so any money saved at the pump was just given to the local muffler shop, or the car driven around town loudly with a rusted out exhaust system. But yes, it DID make a great improvement in how the engine ran once taken off.
Does anyone else think this car’s color, trim and hubcaps make it look like some kind of subcompact 2-door taxi fleet model? Maybe it was another product of the GM task force that came up with the Cadillac Cadette — the “Monza Biscayne”.
This car does not have a factory paint job and somebody has painted the brightwork spray bomb black.
Which leads me back to a question I’ve asked a few times on this site. “Do you guys(editors) purposely cruise around looking for the biggest POS to photograph?” I know just about every CC is this way but come on guys. If I can find almost mint examples in my city than what’s your excuse? You don’t seem to find it hard to find a concours example of almost every European make that you have featured here. I.e. Austin Devon,Pug 404,MB W124. You kind of lose your arguement of these feature cars being DS’s, or whatever the story is about when you fail to post a decent pic of the models in question. In fact when you can find a decent running example, like this Monza, it supports just the opposite. That they were actually good cars. And I’m not talking about copy&pastes from the OldCarBrochure site as a source for good pics.
Yes! That’s exactly what we do, and now you’ve exposed us. It’s our secret written mission statement: to scour the streets and countryside to find the absolute worst examples of American cars out there possible, just so we can rag on them. Hey, it’s hard work; I’d hope you could at least show some appreciation for that.
You know, I had to reject 43 Austin Devons until I found one nice enough to feature here. Good thing there’s so many of them around still on the streets. Most put those old Brit cars in the best light possible!
Bruno, as I said in the piece, this is the first and only one I have seen since I started writing for CC. Paul has not even found one of these in Eugene. The common theme among most of the comments has been “Holy Crap, I have not seen one of these in 20 years.” I photographed the car last winter, and frankly, would have been happy to find a cleaner example. This one did not show well, to be sure. It looks like it was a red car, once upon a time. But would solid red have looked any better? Doubtful. However, it is the only one that has presented itself up to now. Another post reminded me of this one, and I decided to write about it.
As to what we find, I think you have it backwards. I don’t decide what to write about and then go looking for cars to photograph. It is the opposite. I find what I find by pure chance. When I find something cool, (and if possible) I stop and photograph it. I may have 50 cars shot and in my digital waiting room. Right now, I have no idea what my next one will be. Inspiration (or desperation) will strike soon enough.
A week ago, another author did a nice piece on a 63 Imperial. The car he found was pretty ratty, and had apparently not moved in years. I can think of a few diehard Mopar fans who could have bitched about what a shitty example the car was, and how a nicer car should have been used. But none of them did. And neither did you. And this car is no worse than the 62 Monterey I did a week or two ago. I appreciate that you like GM cars better than the average bear. If you like a car, then we would love to hear about why. But you seem to get awfully sensitive when one of us doesn’t like one, or if we find one that doesn’t show well. There are lots of opinions about lots of cars, and you will read them all here at some time or other, either from writers or from commentators. As we say in farm country, that’s why there are red hats and green hats.
OK guys I apoligize for my accusation. I do relize that it is part of the fun about this site. But come on. I do have a valid point. How the heck can you call a certain model a DS or say the build was crappy when the only pic you post distorts the POV. Paul never puts two pics in the same scale when comparing models in his GM DS series. Case in point comparing the 86 Riviera to a 86 Somerset. The Somerset was twice as big in the pic published. Now when ever you do a ‘google’ the first thing that pops up is that page with a distorted comparison. Any troll automatically absorbs your opinion because of the distortion of the truth.
You say this site isn’t political but yet that is what you are saying with these features when you fail at illustrating the whole story. Now the only reason I bother pointing this out is that I believe this site should be neutral as far as opinions go. Well that might not be the way to say it because I believe everybody has a right to an opinion but I think you get the drift of what I’m saying. You’ve heard the saying that they can’t say something on the internet unless it’s true. Well there’s lots of guppies that believe that. Just look at the media for a good example of that. And for that we now have a lousy government. Sorry I’m part of the problem instead of the solution. I guess I just get peeved when somebody writes a “I haven’t seen one of those in awhile” along with a tagline about how crappy they really were. That’s just the writers opinion although anyone who might have actually owned one might say otherwise. But than maybe that is what this site is about? Lets talk about everything that was wrong along with some ancedotes about what was really wrong? I think those of us who have rather nice older cars hate it when somebody who wasn’t even a twinkle in daddys eye makes some dumbass comment about our pride and joy because they read it on the internet. I’m just trying my bit to “curb” some of the negativity. I don’t know how many times I have to explain to the uninformed pedistrians of this world that my Cosworth Vega isn’t one of those Vegas or my Grand National is not a GNX or another MonteCarlo regardless of what they read on the interweb.
BTW that Monza was originally red from the looks of the floor that is missing it’s carpet. Ed S. posted a link to what I consider to be the bestest website ever for the original GM H-Body. Plenty of pics over there of some really nice examples of the marque. Lots of good information too. http://h-body.org
Bruno, You want to talk about “neutral” and un-biased, and un-opinionated? You just said: Case in point comparing the 86 Riviera to a 86 Somerset. The Somerset was twice as big in the pic published.
Here’s the hard, neutral, un-biased facts: the 1985 Somerset was 180.0″ long, the 1986 Riviera 187.2″ long. That’s a difference of 7.2″. The composite picture I made (see below, click on it to see it in full size) that you’re referring too was as close as possible in conveying their respective lengths as possible, short of some software that I don’t have. Look very closely: The Riviera is a few inches longer in the front and back. Exactly 7.2 inches? I can’t guarantee that. Close enough? I certainly made the effort to be so.
Do you get the picture here? You accuse me of blowing up the Somerset to twice its size. Truth is, YOU’RE the one that has a problem with opinion, bias and slant.
Did you read all the comments in this post. How many that had experience with the Monza loved it? And how many thought is it was a POS? Please read through them again, and tally the two up.
Here’s the problem, Bruno: You’re a classic GM fanboi, who can’t stand it when his beloved cars are called into question. I know that can be hard, but we’re just calling them based on our collective experience, as well as the what the marketplace spoke about so many GM cars. remind me again why GM had the biggest drop of its market share in the 1980s? And why it went bankrupt?
I can totally understand anyone loving ANY car, a GM DS, or a best car ever made. But this is not a site about and for fanbois to wallow in love for their own cars. We find cars on the streets, and we tell their stories.
Your welcome to tell yours: send in some pics and a text, but folks are going to be free to express their opinions, We’re not here for the purpose of ragging on GM DS and other crap-mobiles. We’re here to call them as we see them, and as history has judged. We may not always get it 100%, but it seems our record for objectivity is a lot better than your record in saying that I blew the Somerset up to double its size.
You kind of blew it with me with that remark of yours about the Somerset, and I’m not going to spend the time rebutting you anymore, because you seem to lack the ability to see things as they really are, including the size of the Somerset. So if this site doesn’t work for you, that’s ok too.
Bruno, is there really such a shortage of GM love out on the internet that little ole we must come to the poor set-upon company’s aid? It always has seemed otherwise to me. My God, man – If I come across another website devoted to the preservation of the Tri-5 Chevy or anything with an SS, I’m a-gonna be sick. I have no doubt that there are those out on the WWW practicing an extreme degree of Monza Love. Even if I wanted to balance it out with some extreme Monza Hate (which my piece was certainly not), the truth is out there, and it is (as usual) somewhere between the extreme positions.
Come on, my friend – you must let GM and its cars go out on their own. They are never going to grow up if you follow them around fighting all of their battles. Besides, they could stand a little toughening up. The sooner they learn that the world does not revolve around them, the better off they will be. Everyone on the playground gets a bloody nose at one time or another. It’ll heal.
Bruno, I don’t think you get it.
Not all of us have the opportunity to live on the west coast or where rust isn’t an issue. JPCavinaugh, Tom Klakau and others all live in the midwest where it RUSTS, so when they find something older than 15 years old, they go with it, especially something this old as they simply don’t exist like they did.
That said, I can find just as many beater cars of this vintage where rust DOESN’T exist that are as sad looking as this Monza in Seattle each and every day.
It’s only in the past 15-20 years that a typical car, given a modicum of care can look reasonably good, even if it’s nearing 20 years old in some parts of the country, but a car of this vintage, most likely won’t, and if it does, it’s been freshened up at some point. Even then, some will have been left to decay from there.
+1 ciddyguy. I was born and raised in Indiana, and even with tlc, not too many 70s and 80s cars lasted more than 5-10 years. I seem to remember these were fairly common until the mid-to-late 80s, and by ’90 or so they seemed to mostly disappear. My personal experience was limited to a yellow late 70s Skyhawk owned by my dad when I was little, (probably around ’84,) which blew the heater core on the interstate, and the ensuing hike to a pay phone, and a neighbor’s late 70s gold Sunbird coupe, which I only ever saw in their driveway, around 1988-90. I remember liking the looks of the Sunbird, except for the taillights, which always seemed out of proportion. I can’t speak to the neighbor’s experience, but my dad still talks about how bad a car that Buick was.
The example here is wearing Marion County, (Indianapolis) Indiana tags, and I actually laid eyes on this one 2 or 3 times while I lived there. At least on the surface, it seemed remarkably solid, if not entirely straight, and I had to smile when I saw this blast from the past. Reliability aside, the fact that this Monza was still on the road there even 5 years ago, after 30+ years, is nothing short of amazing.
Sidebar: It occured to me after the fact that at the same time I was acquainted with the gold Sunbird, my stepdad actually owned a ’76 or ’77 Mustang II Ghia, 4 cyl with AT, baby blue with a white vinyl half-top, luggage rack, and dark blue interior. I liked it as a kid, but I recall it being unreliable and problematic for him when I knew it, although It wasn’t terribly rusty IIRC, despite being 10+ years old. I best remember it for the chalky, crumbly 70’s interior plastic and splits in the dashpad, being fascinated with the bank of gauges ahead of the center console, the starter having to be removed to change the oil filter, and that the starter would continually seize and need replaced. It broke down numerous times over its last 3-4 years.
I was genuinely sad when, after eating 1 starter too many, it was junked in favor of a 1980 Chrysler Cordoba from our Chrysler dealer’s budget lot, sometime around 1990. The Cordoba wasn’t much improvement on the Mustang’s reliability.
My mom had a 1985-1/2 Plymouth Reliant SE at that time, a burgandy over burgandy 2 door sedan with EFI, AT, & bucket seats that faithfully served our family for over 12 years. Everything red faded to pink, the black finish of the exterior plastic trim & bumpers could never be brought back from gray, and the A/C compressor died within 6 months of the 5/50 warranty expiring, but it always started and ran without a hitch, and never once left us stranded. The Reliant was sold in favor of a brand-new Dodge Stratus company car on New Year’s Day, 2000, and I honestly still kind of miss it.
I’ve owned over 155 cars since 1979, and beat many of them mercilessly. Mustang II’s weren’t really that bad of a car, the motors just couldn’t take a continuous beating. In September of 2011, I found a ’75 Town Coupe in near mint condition with a POS Vega motor with 46K on it. Perfect floors, mint interior, $1650.It now has 1975 Caprice 400 small block in it , TH-350 with a shift kit, and a 2.93 10 bolt posi in it, currently makes asses out of ‘vettes , Cobras, Roush Mustangs, and gets more looks and questions asked than a LS6 Chevelle convertible. Don’t knock a whole line of cars just because of some turds. Besides, when it comes to tax time, it’s valued by my town at $0.00 ! So have fun paying your taxes on your “new musclecar.”
Okay, I hear you about the brightwork, but take this into consideration – it was all plastic with evaporated-metal coatings on it. It ALWAYS flaked and peeled off revealing the white plastic base underneath. The Monza was an early application of this new “cheap-tastic” technology. They failed spectacularly.
I’m ashamed to admit that I bought one of these new in September 1979. It did well enough until the warranty ran out. Then it became a rolling epic of craptasticness. I last saw it on my Ford dealer’s lot, leaking from it’s third heater core, after trading it on a Mustang. This was the car that put me off GM for good.
What a blast from the past!
A cousin of mine actually bought two of these critters, a new one for each son before they went off the college. I have no clue how they held up.
And, a high school classmate drove his parent’s ’79 Pontiac Sunbird with a 3.8 liter V6 (or so I was told) every chance he could. He thought he was hot fertilizer in a Sunbird. I can tell you a rather unimpressive Ford 300 straight six could wipe the floor with that Pontiac. As could a lo-po 302 in an ’85 Crown Victoria.
My most vivid Sunbird memory comes from the family of some high school friends. This family had been Mopar people forever. The kids were still driving the 63 Newport that mom and dad had bought new, and had it up to about 180K. Mom had a 73 Polara wagon and dad drove a 75 Duster. In 1979 or 80, they bought a new car – a Sunbird for mom. I thought that the world had ended. But in retrospect, it is not as though anything at the local Chry-Ply or Dodge dealer would have been much better. The Dad was an engineer, and must have paid enough attention to the goings-on at Chrysler at the time that he no longer wanted to play.
The Sunbird was a full-out little Brougham with an Iron Duke and an automatic. I never rode in it or drove it, and frankly, never wanted to.
You missed nothing by not riding in it. Their ’79 Sunbird (which replaced an AMC Concord) was identical in body style to the Monza you have below Iacocca’s picture. I had the (mis)fortune of riding in the Pontiac – in the back seat. Think VW bug without the glamor and refinement.
Oh yes…I’d forgotten the rear seats in those cars were literally foam cushions on the floorboard with a 1″ drop for the footwell. Knees in the face for anyone over 4′ tall. Footroom beneath the front seats was nonexistent.
The Camaros & Firebirds from ’82 to ’02 were the same way — great for soaking up & retaining the water that made it past the T-top seals.
I remember seeing these right up until about the mid-’90s in upstate NY, fairly frequently. By then they had basically ended up in one of three states: high school beater, winter beater, or drag car.
I always thought the Monza was a much better-styled car than the more baroque Mustang II.
At the end of the day I can’t imagine buying one of these over a Celica or Scirocco, though. I suppose these were somewhat cheaper…
I picked a lot of Monza parts over the years I had my Vega. When I swapped in a Buick 3.8l, the engine mounts I used came out of a Monza and bolted right into the Vega engine bay (the platform was virtually identical between the two cars). Keep in mind the Vega had been designed with a small block V8 in mind, but that never came to fruition until the Monza.
I always looked at these as more-or-less a major restyle of the Vega, and the Cavalier (I had an ’82 Type 10 hatch after the Vega) was the successor to that ‘legacy,’ albeit on a completely different platform.
I don’t think the Vega was designed for a small block. It just happened to (almost) fit, but then the sbc has found itself in all sorts of small cars.
The Monza was designed to have the rotary wankel engine, but when GM pulled the plug on that, they had no choice but to shoehorn the V8 into it. I remember reading all the build-up hype about the rotary engined Monza to come. Undoubtedly a good thing it didn’t.
http://h-body.org/library/hbodyfaq/index.html
“??? The H-Bodies were developed by GM Lead Engineer Ed Cole, who also developed the Corvair and Fiero. The Vega was designed with a Chevy Small Block V8 in mind, but the Corvette group protested enough to kill that option.”
He does have the ??? on that para, so perhaps it’s speculation, but seems like I’ve seen that written elsewhere, too.
Let’s just say that if it was really designed from the get-go for the V8, why would it need to be jacked up to change the plugs? To me, that says that early on the go-fast boys at Chevrolet figured out was easy enough to do, but that the front substructure wasn’t really designed from the beginning with that in mind.
Ed Stembridge
“On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors” by John Delorean. There is an entire section of this book dedicated to the R and D, and pitfalls of the Vega, from a GM internal source.
A fascinating read, IMO.
More from the same site about a one-off V8 Vega:
“Vega GT with 302 Aluminum V8
Robert Spinello (vegabob) contributed:
HOT ROD MAGAZINE circa ’72 featured a ’72 Vega GT built by CHEVROLET featuring a 302 c.i. ALL ALUMINUM V8–one of a kind. Of all V8 conversions, this one was (is) the best simply because motor weighs only 375 lbs, dressed. That’s 160 lbs less than a cast iron small block. This motor was designed by Chevy in 1959 for Corvette research. They existed in limited quantity in ’72, and were never offered on a production car or through a parts program. One of the remaining motors (283 c.i.) was bored to 302 c.i. for this Vega. The quarter mile time listed was 13.97! with stock (early) Vega rear end and street tires, Turbo 350 automatic, and 2,500 lbs total weight!
Specs: The h.p. and axle ratio are not listed. 4″ bore, 3″ stroke. 11:1 compression pistons, mech. camshaft. Alcoa aluminum block with steel liners, aluminum heads, cast iron manifold, Rochester 4BBL The motor, shown in color, was aluminum with black valve covers, oil pan and pullies, yellow manifolds and timing pully and red wires–Awesome!
The one of a kind Vega’s exterior was electric blue with white GT wheels and side stripes (similar to Yenko Turbo Stinger), white pinstripped hood bulge, spoilers (front and rear), body colored (blue) bumpers, black grill, and side decals similar to the Spirit of America edition from ’74.
This car was considered for production by Chevy executives for 1974, according to Hot Rod. GM probably killed the idea because of pending projects including the Cosworth Vega and Wankel (rotary) engine. Cosworth took 3 more years to appear for just 3,500 cars and the rotary was cancelled.”
It was. Lots of styling cues carried over. It was absolutely supposed to be the next Vega, but the name was tarnished at that point. I lived near Detroit growing up and saw several early Monzas with Vega badging. Yup.
The Ford Maverick was the next Falcon, with obvious styling cues carried over and on the same platform, but the name was changed to fit their other models loose western theme. Mustang, Pinto, Torino, Ranchero…
Nice write up and find by JP! I came of driving age in 76 and when the IMSA inspired Monza Mirage came out I was tempted. Too late for the muscle car era, too early for later EFI muscle, we were left with Tape-Job Muscle Cars such as the Cobra II, Monza Mirage and Dodge Omni 024’s. If you were around then, you realized what a bleak era the mid to late 70’s really were for the car enthusiast! The folks at Ford with their SVO department really showed the way beginning in 84 with the introduction of the Mustang SVO and earlier, the Thunderbird Turbo Coupe.
My sister traded her 76 Grand Prix for a new Sunbird, I believe a 1980……fastback, red interior with the Iron Duke 4. I had a chance to use it when my 84 Bronco II went awol yet again with a defective EGR valve issue. Drove it long distance to my CG duty station in Delaware and was underwhelmed by the ride quality of the Pontiac. Just uninspired, clunky, rattling about. What a step down from the GP to the Sunbird! I recall the fuel mileage was decent; the only saving grace for the car. But again, those were different times. Fuel prices were bad, the sting of OPEC was still fresh in everyone’s minds…….The beginning of the end for GM IMO. While Mr Deming was showing the Japanese how to build quality into their vehicles, it seemed GM was listening to the bean counters like Mr Smith with the expected results……
How is it possible that I’m reading CC (and commenting) while still asleep and dreaming vividly? Please tell me the Monza era wasn’t real. It’s too early, and it’s dull and dreary outside….
This is a particularly good find, since the only only ones I’ve glimpsed are the 2+2 versions, hot-rodded, and thus not suitable CC fodder. Other than that, nary a one to be seen on the streets here. Congratulations!
The whole Vega-Monza chapter of GM’s decline is so full of mistakes and confusion. It really explains why John DeLorean couldn’t have stayed at GM. Mind boggling crap with glimmers of vision and goodness.
I’m going to wake up now knowing it was just a bad dream.
It surprises me to no end that there are none of these running around the Pacific Northwest. But, then, I suppose that if these would be loved anywhere, it would be in the heart of the (formerly) GM-loving midwest, where Craigslist teems with elderly Chevrolets of all kinds.
A quick check reveals one drag car and one wagon on the Indianapolis CL, and not a single one of any kind on Ebay.
You’re right that this is one Chevy that most everyone has forgotten (or never knew existed). I grew up in a GM family and thought I new about every car they made in NA during my lifetime. Until I ran into one on craigslist a few years ago and said “what the hell is THAT? Chevy was selling these when I was born?”
Even more ironic was that my parents bought an early ’82 Cavalier wagon in ’81. I knew as a child that it was the first year of the model but never questioned what came before it.
In California you could get these with the SBC 350 V8. I remember the unusual dual exhaust arrangement at the rear of the car where the pipes crossed-over side ways with large diameter outlets at both ends. Also remember something about an over-sized transmission tunnel to accommodate a rotary engine that never happened. Can you imagine what a POS that would have been?
These did have some good qualities. The hatchback with the original front end styling was a nice looking car. The Monza was one of the first cars I can remember with a small diameter steering wheel.
305 not 350.
A neck-snapping 125hp(!) 350 engine was offered in 1975 Monzas.
Thanks for a fascinating write-up on a car I had no idea existed… completely unrelated to the Monza of my youth it seems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Monza#Monza_GSE
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It never ceases to amaze me reading Mr Cavanaugh’s pieces how different two peoples’ tastes can be: the colour being about the only thing I do like on this car 😀
Was the original Towne Coupe the first time (or the only time) that one of the domestic automakers started out by offering the Broughamized version of a specific body style (i.e., the notchback) first, and only later offering a version with full rear quarter windows and no vinyl roof?
Yeah, the Monza TC was 1975.5 model brought out spring ’75, Forr 1976 model year, Pontiac Sunbird had notchback only w/o carriage roof. For 1977, then there was a Sunbird hatch and puffy roof.
A college roomate had one of these, and it looked as sad as this example, maybe more so because it was brown. I recall it being very short on interior space and having a crashy rattly ride.
He got rid of it and borrowed the money to buy a 1981 Oldsmobile Omega, so that’ll give you some idea of how bad the Monza was.
On the other hand I built an MPC Monza model as a kid, the hatchback spyder version and I was quite delighted to glue in that little V-8, as we had a Vega at the time and I wanted to do that in real life…
These cars are the vehicular equivalent of the malaise-era slasher flick: appealing in their utter dreadfulness.
Around 1993, a carless friend of mine was given a white Monza and a green 1977 Dodge van at about the same time by two different relations. He had to decide which one he was going to fix-up and keep and which he was going to scrap. Despite the fact that the van had a mashed-in front fender from an accident, that’s the vehicle he kept. It was a good choice.
Ford essentially built a “better Monza” with the Fox platform Mustang. Offered both notch and hatch, along with simliar 4 eyed square headlights from 1979-86.
Despite obsessively reading car catalogs in the 70s the Monza coupe is one that disappeared down the memory hole. I remember the fastbacks, the Brougham style coupes and the spark plug problem but not the other cars. Admittedly the Monza is not on the list of cars I want to experience.
My only exposure to one of these was during the mid-80’s. My girlfriend’s father had a white Monza hatchback with a four-speed. I drove it once and remember being terrified of shifting into reverse instead of first – the shift pattern had reverse up and to the left – where I always thought 1st gear should be. The shifter has this little lock-out pull thing that you had to pull up on and simultaneously shift into reverse. Given the incredibly vague feeling of the shifter – it seemed to be a hit and miss proposition. I’m glad I only drove it once.
I remember the horrible Mustang 2 it looked stupid and very few made it here but the Monza never seen one live, We already had plenty of small GM cars from all over.
I have to agree these were poop in every way, except style for the 2+2. In 1990s suburban Kansas City, these were what the ne’er do wells who couldn’t afford a bitchin’ Camaro drove. They did indeed rust every bit as badly as the Vega, and were dreck from the get go. If a meth lab had four wheels and a tupperware interior, it would be a Monza.
I did indeed have a Mustang, Too, and it holds second place for the worst car of my life (behind a Lancia Gamma). Binding steering rack, gearbox that popped out of gear on downhills (and this was in Park County, Colorado) were bad, but the T-tops that leaked directly onto my crotch was the killer. Yet, for all that horribleness, it always started and drove well, and felt ‘solid’ in the way that only Ford could do- their ability to gild a turd and somehow make it better than it was is the secret to their success through the dark days. Monzas et al looked prettier, Mopars had much better interiors and engineering, but both felt tinny and chintzy in comparison to the density of compressed iron oxide that was the Pintostang.
The Mustang Too was a better car than the Monza for a very important reason- Once you walked into the showroom, you could be upsold a Mustang that was nearly double the price of a stripper. This was Iacocca’s genius, which he later reproduced with the K car for every pocket. The Mustang was designed as a bling mobile and the ‘base model’ was deblinged. The Monza (and its ilk) were the opposite- cheap and nasty to start with and then had the tinsel added.
If you walked into the Chevy dealer and actually wanted a ‘posh’ Monza, you had to walk across the street to the Buick dealer, or if you wanted a ‘sporty’ one you would go to the Pontiac dealer down the road. This obviously didn’t happen, as the Chevy salesperson wouldn’t want their commission to get away- the punters would have been steered towards a larger and better Nova with a vinyl roof and huge rebates, or in the later years, one of those new fangled X cars all the reviewers were raving about, or if you really wanted sporty, an ex-demo Camaro would have probably the best option of the lot.
“If a meth lab had four wheels and a tupperware interior, it would be a Monza.”
“their ability to gild a turd and somehow make it better than it was is the secret to their success through the dark days.”
Ladies and Gentlemen, Brian is in a tie with himself for best comment of the day!
Thank you very much kind sir!
I agree — that comment really is a keeper!
In my opinion, these cars just spoke volumes of the contempt GM had for small cars and the people who bought them. They’d rather have you behind the wheel of a Malibu or better still, spend your hard-earned money on a Caprice like any sensible red-blooded American.
Instead, people bought Corollas, Civics and later on, Accords and Camrys.
I know how crappy these could be, because my sister had one that just about died after about 6 years. But I don’t know if the interior was really as bad as everyone here is saying….it did have a nice mini-Camaro sporty feel, came in fun colors, and had a bit of brightwork to dress it up. Near the end of her ownership I got my own first new car, a 1985 Sunbird (basically the Pontiac version of the replacement of the Monza) and it was a more practical car in every way, but also far more plasticky and plain-looking inside. The FWD J-cars couldn’t have been more different to drive, even if they looked similar in some ways.
The bucket seats themselves were pretty much the same units found in the F-body cars. Some trim-levels were actually identical to the base-level F-body cars. The door armrests are F-body armrests with a hole cut in them for the lock knob and the inside door pull cups and handles are the same pieces used in the F-bodies.
Lots of parts were shared but these are only a few of the more visible ones I can think of.
I never knew about the Vega hatchback renamed as a Monza, although I knew that Vega wagons were redbadged as Monzas. Exceedingly weird. I wonder if any of those hatchbacks still exist? The regular Monza hatchback is so much more attractive!
It was actually called “Monza S” and was a way to get rid of all the Vega bodies they had left over when they killed the Vega in 77.
I knew about the Vega Monza hatch (Vegza?) but have never seen one. I don’t think it was even shown in the ’78 Monza brochure. Now one of those would be a real CC find!
Wasn’t there a goofy work around for the V8 sparkplugs where you’d cut a hole in the fender well to get at the plug with long extensions, and then cover the hole up with a glued on piece of rubber from a inner tube until the next time?
Drove an 75 Olds Starfire with the 3.8 and 4 Sp stick to college in the early 80s.
The Olds had a nice interior, and that small steering wheel mentioned earlier. Test pipe and Phoenix radials, and the only Asian cars that could touch it on a mountain road were Mitsu Fire Arrows or an RX-7. And forget a Scirocco…
Reliable and pretty, I slept in the back with the seat down just fine at the IMSA races or music festivals I attended.
Never had brake problems in spite of hustling it about Appalachia, and never had to put much gas in it. Dobi made good suspension upgrades for it. Fellas like me never had the money for an Asian car.
Traded it in on a new 83 GTI built at Westmorland PA. Did not miss it, but i had to work on the VW more…
My first car was a ’75 Monza TC, white w/white vinyl top, red interior and 5-spd. I bought it in early ’77 for my commute to Cal. I of course added the requisite Goodyear GT radials, mags, and Gabriel hijackers. It was quite the Homer Simpson-mobile.
I remember choosing the Monza because a buddy told me that the Vega had a crappy engine, Hey, I was 18 at the time w/no practical car knowledge. Plus I should get points for using all my own money to buy it.
In the 3 years I owned it I went through 3 clutches, 2 fuel pumps, 2 rear stabilizer bars, 2 exhaust manifolds. Also for the final six months I had only 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears and reverse if I could jam it in with 2 hands.
A couple of years later a buddy bought a V8 version. We were never able to understand how Chevy got that engine jammed into that bay – there was absolutely no room around the periphery.
So after 3 years of this money pit, I traded it in for another car…a ’77 MGB. Well the B forced me to learn how to take the bus at least.
These things rode and felt just awful. Got a ride to work in one during my Navy days (a shipmate owned it – his wife drove their GM truck to work) and it was one of the worst riding cars I’ve ever been in. It WAS bottomy and when you sat in the front seats, your knees were in your chest. Thank God in 1985 I was comparatively nimble 19 year old who could pull himself up and out of the front passenger seat. My friend hated it too. He did transfer before I did, but stayed in San Diego for shore duty. The next time I saw him, he had a Mazda 323. The coupes did look kind of sharp with the Landau roof (GM really did know how to make their coupes look good with those things, useless add-ons that they were), but where was the roadability and comfort?
The Monza, and its divisional clones, were the perfect identity mess that was muddling GM’s marketing.
First, the hot-rod 2+2, which was supposed to get the Wankel engine…was corporate bland. It’s as if the GM corporate geniuses decided they did such a good job on the Vega, first doing the whole car outside of a division and then forcing it on Chevrolet…that they wanted to repeat it, only this time to make the styling as successful as the Vega’s engineering..
It had no identity; and the Oldsmobile and Pontiac models were identical.
Then…the coupes, with different sheet metal. They shared the chassis and names; beyond that there was NO similarity.
Then…in come the Broughams. Monza Squire, anyone? That, and the OBVIOUS hatch borrowed from the Vega assembly line but this time, NOT the Vega ENGINE? Was it parts-bin engineering? Is a pig’s hiney pork?
WHAT IN HADES IS THE FLIPPIN’ CAR SUPPOSED TO BE?
Chevy didn’t know. Pontiac didn’t know. NOBODY knew…it was just there.
And people just ignored it. The Mustang-Too at least had an image to aspire to.
Your post and the one following show the lack of organization and order respectively of each company and it’s dealer organization. GM in trying to appease it’s dealer body, creates four clones of this car in varying states of trim in response to dealer demands for smaller cars during and between the oil price shocks.
I believe the GM ecosystem at that time probably could have supported a domestic H-body version or two (Olds & Buick), supplemented by the importation of an Opel Manta (Pontiac) and maybe a Suzuki or Isuzu model for Chevy as the low price leader. Essentially the “world car” (T-body) Chevette was already doing that. This would have effectively kept the dealer brand ecosystem sustained, and given the dealers what they wanted. Of course, there would have been the NIH opposition and the fact that there were no ‘sporty’ versions of the Isuzu Chevy model… I’m sure that could have been arranged…
Ford, OTOH, HAD a premium small sporty car, the Capri, and was currently importing it. But it was built in West Germany, and the DM-Dollar exchange rate was farkin awful in the 1970’s. The MII was in response to a number of issues, I’m sure one of which was a suitable substitute for the Capri.
My own guess was that if the DM exchange rate got beyond a certain point, or the dealers screamed loud enough, there would have been a Mercury version of the MII, maybe the Cougar II? the Comet II? That was the one thing that sucked about the 70’s, sequels of EVERYTHING…
I’m guessing LM dealers weren’t screaming for product like BOP dealers were in GM-land, or they were somehow immune to the effects of the oil price shocks. In reality they weren’t, because they were already badge engineering Pintos as Bobcats, and it would get worse into the 1980’s, with the Escort/Lynx.
As has been noted before, blatant badge engineering is what cooked Detroit’s goose. We’re really just examining the entrails here.
Back to the original question, why did the Mustang II consistently outsell the Monza — GM interdivisional competition was a factor. If you total up all four divisions and compare that to the Mustang II (which had no Mercury equivalent) the picture changes.
A very good friend of mine had the Oldsmobile version of the H-body, with 231 V6 and 5 speed. It was a rather crude little ride, but effective. A woman I dated back in the day had the Buick Skyhawk version of this car, it was the updated 1978 refresh, it was actually a pretty nice car. But it was still rather crude.
My wife (to be at the time) came very close to getting a 1980 Monza Towne Coupe, but she didn’t have the credit score to get the loan. She ended up getting our 1977 Delta 88 Holiday Coupe instead, which was a much better outcome…
I always thought that it was a mistake for Oldsmobile and Buick to offer versions of this car.
Road Test tested a Starfire hatchback, and noted the poor build quality of the car. I still remember the closing sentences of that test – “This is an Oldsmobile? How times change.”
Nice article on a forgotten car. My friend’s family bought one of the first new Pontiac Sunbirds (the coupe) in town…and I remember marveling at how cramped and uncomfortable the interior was. It looked quite sharp, however – a sort of mini-Grand Prix. It was dark metallic brown with a light brown landau vinyl top.
I don’t remember the Mustang IIs as being terrible rusters. Several 1970s Fords suffered from premature rust because the company dragged its feet on installing the e-coat process in all of its North American plants. The ironic part was that this process, which ensured far superior rust protection than prior methods, had been invented by Ford of Europe!
Ford did install the process at its Wixom plant, which produced Lincolns and Thunderbirds. It was also applied to the Pinto from day one, and I believe that the process was always used on the Mustang II, as well.
The notorious Ford rusters were the early and mid-1970s Mavericks/Comets, Torinos/Montegos and LTDs/Marquises, and pre-1974 Mustangs/Cougars. If you bought the cheapest Ford products (Mustang II, Pinto) or the most expensive (Lincolns and Thunderbirds), you got a car that was as good as anything else on the road in that regard.
And, yes, Ford products put GM and Chrysler products to shame in the fit-and-finish departments in those days. My friend’s family had ordered their Sunbird coupe with all of the trimmings (landau vinyl roof, wire-wheel covers), but it wasn’t much more luxuious inside than my aunt’s 1977 Pinto sedan.
I remember a long-gone magazine named Road Test tested one of these equipped with a V-8 in the summer of 1975, and was not too enthused about it. The testers noted that the V-8 could easily overheat, and that the interior was cramped even for a subcompact car.
The Mavericks of that time were indeed rusters. My parents had a 73 4-door and when my father went to trade it in for a new Fairmont, the sales guy asked him if it had ever been underwater!
My grandmother had a powder blue 1973 four-door Maverick, and it was a pretty bad ruster, too.
I just remember another friend with a 74 Mustang II Ghia. Along about 1980 he had to do a substantial amount of bodywork, mostly rust repair. He had both doors off of the car and was having to re-build the lower parts of both doors, as well as certain areas of the rear quarter panels. I don’t think that these were as bad as, say, the 69-72 LTD, but they were still pretty rust-prone cars in salty northeastern Indiana.
I guess it depends on where you lived, but, here in southcentral Pennsylvania, a six-year-old car with serious rust wasn’t that unusual in 1980. Especially if it received the level of care that most Americans gave their cars at that time.
I remember visiting upstate New York in May of 1982, and watching a 1974 Oldsmobile Delta 88 hardtop sedan with rear quarter panels that were virtually flapping as the car trundled down the street.
I had a ’73 Ford Pinto. It was a good car for what it was, got almost 40 mpg. I bought it in ’78 and turned out it had lots of bondo over a new paint job when I got it. In a year and a half it was a rusty mess.
JP I don’t know how you found this car or how it survived as long as it did. That is far and away the ugliest example of this car I have ever seen. I seem to remember seeing pictures of a Sunbird coupe with the snowflake wheels and thinking it was rather sharp. I drove a Sunbird coupe with the Iron Duke and automatic and it was competent but very uninspiring. Not the “We Build Excitement” I expected of a Pontiac. Closer to meh.
Bob
If I recall correctly, it was possible to get the coupe bodystyle with the front-end clip of the original Monza 2+2. Which looked quite odd.
I believe that there was a Towne Coupe Sport for maybe one year (?) like 1977. It used the 2+2 front end, as you recall, instead of the regular Towne Coupe front with the large single sealed beam headlights. I believe that it went away for 1978 when they all got the new front end that was shared between all models.
It was available at least from 1977-79. In ’78 it got the revised aero fascia, as seen here.
It looks like they were trying every mix’n’match combination possible!
I owned a ’79 Pontiac Sunbird notchback when I was in college. Bought it in the spring of ’82 just before graduating HS. 12,000 miles, 2.5L Iron Duke, 4-speed manual. Beige with beige vinyl interior. I think we paid around $3800 for it.
My cousin and I put an aftermarket sunroof in it, along with a Kraco (!) AM/FM/Cassette player with a couple of speakers mounted on brackets on the rear parcel shelf.
About a year after I bought it, I moved from Southern California to Phoenix to attend school. No A/C and vinyl seats were not a good combination in 100+ heat. Convinced the folks to invest in a set of good sheepskin seat covers.
Reliability – so-so. It always had a hot start problem .. if I had driven the car recently, it wouldn’t always start. I had problems with the shifter – I suspect than an accident had affected the motor mounts and the engine and transmission weren’t in complete alignment. Heater core needed replacing.
Drove it from Phoenix to CA a couple of times on break. Had a blowout on I-10 just west of Phoenix with a classmate, my sister and a friend of hers in the car. Tread separated from the belts.
Also managed to get a speeding ticket or two in it as well.
It was totaled when I rear ended a 70’s era land barge a few months before graduation. Insurance company gave me $2000 for it.
Wasn’t a bad car, for the times. However, I bought an ’85 Accord hatch after graduation and drove non-US makes for over a decade.
I test drove one of these years ago! I think it was a ’75 and it had the 262 and an automatic. It was the fastest car I had ever driven up to that point. Man! That thing could MOVE!!
I didn’t buy it because I thought the car ugly (it was a yellow hatchback) and it was falling apart. That was in 1983. Vot a hunkajunk!
Interior-quality-wise and noise-wise, it was a turd, but if you got any model other than the notchback (w/out aero fascia), at least it was a good looking, polished turd.
I remember when these were new as my best friend’s father (now a sprightly 81 Y O) once had one, a 76 2+2 coupe in that light blue metallic with parchment white vinyl interior. The wheels looked like turbo mags, but were really plastic wheel covers to match.
It had the V8 and the 4spd manual in it. He owned it from 76-86 or so before selling it. I don’t recall it being especially bad mechanically or other wise, though it was full of cheap plastic interior bits.
I remember it scooting along pretty decently at the time, but then again, he did desmog it so it was MUCH more sprightly than it came from the factory. This was back in the day before emissions testing so one could, for the most part could get away with it, though it would all needed to be reinstalled when sold though.
When he sold it, it was north of 150K miles, and was getting a bit tired, but still looked great for its age.
My Mom had the same year Vega, the Kamback wagon in that luscious metallic brown with tan vinyl interior. It was fitted with the 3spd automatic, and AC no less and yes, it was SLOW.Again, it wasn’t a a bad car overall and was fairly reliable for the day, and GM for that matter, so I guess both families were lucky in that respect.
My dream would be to take a brown Vega wagon, the panel at that, and graft on the 76 Monza 2+2 front clip onto it and fit it with the real turbo wheels, not the wheel covers and leave it as it was, outside of a killer sound system inside, and maybe the round bubble windows tn the back side panels, ala the Pinto wagon.
I was about 10 when he bought that Monza and 12 when Mom bought the Vega wagon used in ’78.
The H Body, the closest thing you can get to an Americanized Alfa Romeo or Lancia.
The cheap versions of Monza essentially replaced the Vega in 1978. But they were lame ducks, with Fox Stang and J cars around the corner.
Sunbird! That was Pat’s car. I had forgotten what it was called. The notchback version, with the Iron Duke motor and automatic, basic interior. What someone above described as “crude but effective.” But a step-up from his starving graduate student Chevette; he was quite proud of his first new car. I thought it was quite pretty, the interior certainly plusher than my Vega GT’s, same comfortable and supportive seats, softer and quieter ride but it swayed on the turns. And that Iron Duke motor! I guess it didn’t bother me too much, coming from my Vega, but it vibrated so bad it had a habit of loosening the alternator adjustment bolt, resulting in fan slippage and then battery drain. Pat had no mechanical ability, but he got very good at hailing people in the parking lot to give him a jump-start. He was very proud of his ability to attach the jumper cables correctly. I would try to keep the alternator adjusted for him once I learned of this, but unfortunately I did not know of Loctite in those days-don’t know why the dealer didn’t just use the same. I kept it tuned for him, tuned being a relative term-it was indeed bog slow, but like Chrysler slant sixes I have known, rather indifferent to timing, plugs, idle mixture, etc. There was slow, and there was a little less slow. Question for Paul and our other resident mechanical engineers: Why did GM, who invented the modern smooth, quiet, powerful and relatively efficient small block V8, produce such a succession of buzzy, varyingly reliable, underpowered 4’s? If not a Deadly Sin, certainly a succession of venial sins, that added up to a big one.
Question:
“Why did GM, who invented the modern smooth, quiet, powerful and relatively efficient small block V8, produce such a succession of buzzy, varyingly reliable, underpowered 4′s? If not a Deadly Sin, certainly a succession of venial sins, that added up to a big one.”
Answer:
“To upsell to a V6 or V8 option, or better yet to an intermediate or full-size or Camaro, which would actually make money”
BTW, it’s interesting that less than 10 years after the Cosworth Vega you could buy a DOHC 16V fuel-injected Corolla, the GTS.
I bought a ’77 2+2 for $500 two summers ago. Factory V8, complete and running.
In answer to the other gentleman’s question regarding where these cars all went- most of them were turned into drag cars.
I don’t know what’s more amazing, the fact that someone preserved one of these (it’s possible they parked it after 10K miles cuz it sucked) or that it was listed as a “muscle car”.
http://www.kumberamotors.com/cars.htm?l=&id=603
I think this might have been my first car. I drove a ’79 Monza just like this, in that hideous color through high school ’87-’89 and gave it up when I went away to college. I was shocked to see the Indiana plates on it because I grew up in Indiana. The black trim between the front and rear side windows was worn that way when I had mine as well. What a piece of crap car that was — I spent more repairing it over two and a half years than I paid for it. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Not sure if you will reply but i am the owner of this car you should contact me lol i would love too see if this was yours or not lol
RE: 1975 Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L (350 cid) 2-v (California)
Where was Ralph Nader when GM let this killer on the road?
Too fast into a turn or curve – massive understeer and off the road you go!
Too much throttle in a left turn – snap spin when the right rear tire breaks traction (real easy to do in the dry, unavoidable in the wet).
Panic stop at freeway speeds – brake pedal goes to floor when the pads shear off the disk brake backing plates!
But in stock form TC would beat the performance cars at the time from a roll, running in first gear up to 70mph and second to 100mph.
Add velvetouch pads, THM350 valve body mods, stiffer minitruck front springs and sticky Caldwell retreads on wider keystone steel wheels (with stock hubcaps), the TC was a real sleeper and shamed many ’75 era “muscle cars”.
The caveat was that if it didn’t kill you first, it made you a better driver.
A schoolmate of mine drove a v8-powered H body variant in the mid-80s…he told me with a straight face that it had “self-changing oil”. Apparently it burned so much oil that his father told him to just keep topping it off?! I seem to recall that it was a red Monza hatchback with white vinyl seats, but it’s been so many years, who knows.
Great post on a car that is seldom seen. There were always a lot less Monza Town Coupes around than the more popular (and pretty) Monza fastbacks. I owned a 78 Monza 2+2 fastback for a couple of years in the late 80’s It had the iron duke and a 4 speed, I can say from first hand experience, after having owned a Pontiac Astre (Vega) that the Monza was a 100% improvement over the Vega. Gm used galvanized sheet metal on the Monza and the Iron duke 4cyl was a stout little motor. But these were entry level cars with little resale value, and sad to say most of them have been shredded. As an aside the Astre I had was a real POS! And it was SLOW, just what a naturally lead footed young guy needed at the time to learn how to drive on city streets in a civilized manner
When these were — well, not NEW, but still on the road as daily drivers — I thought they were nice-looking cars. Now I see that their proportions couldn’t be more wrong. The size relationship between the greenhouse, the front overhang, and the rear deck betrays just how cramped the interior is. It looks like the front clip was cannibalized from something at least one size class up. Ick.
“Let’s give the Chevy boys some credit on one thing – they did not call the car Camaro II and try to bathe it in styling cues from the ’67 Camaro (to the extent that the inaugural Camaro actually had any).”
I’ve never understood the backhanded swipes at the styling of the original Camaro that I’ve occasionally read on CC. It was a very good shape: restrained but sporty, sophisticated but muscular. IMO, it was a better visual design than the original Mustang, which by comparison looks dated. The first gen Camaro was outshone by its stunning successor in 1970, but it had nothing to apologize for.
Yep, he detracted from the case he was making with that one. And the original Camaro was plenty sharp, especially with hidden headlights. I’m really not a GM fanboy, but my observations and experiences were often more positive than what I read here. My cousin had two Monza notchback coupes and put a ton of miles on each of them. He took care of his cars and the Monzas’ bodies held up pretty well for Maine. I’d say the Monza was what the Vega should have been in the first place.
Oh c’mon, can’t a guy have a little fun at the 67 Camaro’s expense? It was certainly not an unattractive car, but it was little more than a 65 Mustang restyled by Bill Mitchell. And let’s be truthful, other than a pleasing shape, did the 67 Camaro really have any truly memorable styling focal points? I think the 69 did, but not the 67. I just took a few minutes looking at several of them. Take a look at one without stripes or cool wheels, and let’s talk again.
“other than a pleasing shape, did the 67 Camaro really have any truly memorable styling focal points?”
IMO, creating a good overall shape is the most important and difficult thing for a designer to do. While “styling focal points” are important, if this is all a designer knows how to do, he’ll design the 1958 Continental…or a Pontiac Aztec…or a Mustang II. The first gen Camaro has it all over the first gen Mustang in regard to their basic shape…to my eye there is more than 2.5 years difference between the two cars.
The shape of the Camaro is so good, I think, that its undistinguished details still work. For example, the taillights are bland, but they are very well-proportioned for the rear fascia. The whole is well integrated.
I like the ’69 the least of the first gen; why did they get rid of those excellent wheel arches?!
No stripes or cool wheels here…but pretty darn nice.
Yeah Jim, I shouldn’t have tweaked you for stating an opinion. As for the ’67 I’ll stand with mFred. The details at the ends may have been a bit bland, but the shape is a classic, imho. And yes, the Firebirds and the later Camaros did improve…
If someone looking for a new, old-school musclecar in 1975 just couldn’t bear to cough-up for an A-body 360 Mopar, the 350-2v Monza was the bargain hotrod to have (at least if you lived in California). The reason for it was that the 1975 350 engine passed the stricter California emission standards while the V8 engine for the other 49 states (I don’t recall if it was the 262 or 305) did not. Car and Driver did an article on the 350 Monza and thought it was great. The article’s lead photo was a frontal view of a Monza 2+2 smoking the rear tires which, considering the smallish size, doesn’t really sound like that much of feat.
But, one-year-only musclecars aside, the Monza was just about as typical a small car as one was going to find in the seventies, i.e., not very good. It might have been a GM product that was able to last a ‘little’ longer than a Vega, but the Monza still left a huge, gaping vacuum for the much better-built Japanese products to fill and, man, did they ever. The Monza’s ad copy should have read, “So you say you want a piece-of-crap small car? Have we got one for you!”
I have never seen one of these in the wild. For some reason, when I look at the side profile, the first thing I think of is ’86 Toronado.
Hard to find fastback or notchback Monza now. There was a fastback a few blocks way in my city. It sat in the front driveway for a couple of years and has now disappeared. Its condition leads me to believe its back on the road with a warmed over V8 under the hood. In fact whenever I see a Monza its hot rodded which is not surprising as they were such light cars.
Your last line is hilarious, rudiger.
I wonder sometimes if folks whose first car was a Maverick, Pinto, Vega, Monza, Gremlin, Pacer, Skyhawk, Chevette or Mercury Bobcat (remember those!) ever wax nostalgic and think “Y’know, I wish I’d have kept that”?
Maybe if they got a good one the first time.
Probably the Chevette. It seemed the least pretentious, had the most European DNA and, more than any of the others, was the hardest to kill and most worthy of the ‘cockroach of the road’ moniker.
The problem with all of those cars was that, on top of having abysmal quality where things would routinely fall off, break, rust, or simply quit working, the driving dynamics were horrid, as well. None of them were much fun to drive and that, alone, lent people to take out their frustrations on the car. It’s highly unlikely that anyone remembers any of them fondly.
They were all bottom-feeder, close-to-being-disposable cars whose main buyers were people who couldn’t afford anything else. Woe be it to someone that actually had to rely on one as their sole means of transportation. They got driven into the ground quickly and whatever was left of them after a hard, barely maintained life was unceremoniously disposed of at the nearest junkyard or, more likely, simply left on the side of the road somewhere.
These were great cars, from a stylistic standpoint, but the quality on them wasn’t good. I remember back in the mid 80’s, even seeing one around wasn’t that frequent. We had a 1980 Sunbird, and it was a fun car, but it wasn’t made very well, either. The Monza’s death knell was the introduction of newer, cheaper cars that had their own issues……Cavalier, K-Car, etc. Monzas/ Sunbirds were very cramped (as someone here mentioned, the backseat legroom was nearly non-existent), and GM should have gave up the ghost and just had it be a two seater, and then expand the front leg room and trunk space. They should have made the car a bit higher for a bit more headroom, too. Consequently, I think that the cars were just neither performance based enough (not enough muscle for the muscle car guys), nor were they practical enough (not enough room for family, etc), so you tend to get people in the comments section saying that they had one of these cars out of high school or as a first car or something, that was good on gas, sporty and looked good…..but it generally wasn’t a car that people committed to. I remember our 1980 Sunbird having a cracked block in early 1992, and it was off to the scrapyard–they just weren’t worth it to save (we’d bought it for $500).
Not that their cars in this class were any better, but the Ford guys in Dearborn used to refer to these GM cars as “toilet cars”.
In retrospect, it`s hard to believe we actually drove cars with such horrible interiors, but I guess we did. Considering GM`s quality control, It`s amazing that they didn`t melt in hot weather. This car makes a good case for walking.
The F bodies overshadow these H body cars in GM fans’ eyes. So, they get junked instead of modded or “kept in a barn”.
I had a friend who had one of these hatchback Monzas.
He bought it new.
As we were college buds and two more of us were riding in this, I was relegated to the back seat (or what passed as one).
This was a miserable car – and I won’t forget that there was a seam in the middle of the back of the front seat where the zipper was housed for easy assembly. I’ve seen cheap cars, but that zipper stands out as a low in cheap.
I could be wrong, but I swear that I remember a zipper on the back of the front seats of our 1980 Monte Carlo, because if I’m not mistaken, I had unzipped it at some points and saw the white padding that it was filled with.
Approximately 3.6 million H-body cars were produced by GM from 1970 thru 1980 (see below). I can see why GM kept producing Monzas because all the development cost had been amortized; only the directly production cost (labor and materials) needed to be covered. Yet, now much ” bad feelings” did GM generate with these vehicles??
Now I fully appreciate why Toyota Corollas or Datsun B-210s when flying off the dealer lots in the ’70s and Reagan requesting voluntary import restriction during his administration.
731,504 H-Body Monzas
125,311 H-Body Skylarks
479,967 H-Body Sunbirds
125,188 H-Body Starfires
2,006,661 Vega
147,773 Astra
3,616,404 Grand Total
The same mistake and “bad feelings” were repeated with the GM X-Car (Chevy Citation).
My company-car gold notchback w/vinyl roof in 1981, 4-cyl auto, was so bad I named it “Lurch.” It would randomly lunge off a straight line at highway speeds, its rubber-band tires inspiring fear. That and the anemic growl of the engine made me park the thing and drive my own car – a fwd Volkswagen.
I had a new 79 Monza TC for 10 years and close to 400k miles. When something broke I fixed it. The point being this was an entry level car that could be maintained over long run and most were used up.
One little correction. The tiny hubcaps (and pressed wheels) on your photographed car are not recycled from the Corvair. They are from the Vega.
The Monza was supposed to be the next generation Vega, and it is, but got a last-minute name change to try to throw off the poor reliability image. You can see a lot of styling cue evolutions from the last Vega to the Monza. A few of these early Monza cars actually carried Vega badging. Crazy.