(first posted 5/23/2013. I have no idea what happened to this Medallion, but I’d like to think it’s still running)
Is this the very last running 1988 Renault Medallion? I can’t really say for sure, but these two guys – John (left) and Jacob (right) – are my heroes, for being determined to keep this one going. And what a noble cause, one that’s not likely to make them rich, but possibly a wee bit famous today. Of course, “running” is a matter of degrees; it currently has a misfire in one cylinder that they’re having a hard time pinning down and fixing. Well, it somehow wouldn’t be quite right if this Medallion were purring like a kitten, eh?
image: njsimca
I haven’t seen a Medallion – in either Renault or Eagle guise – in many a year, and some of you younger readers may have never laid eyes on one. So let’s do a bit of history before we catch up with our intrepid mechanics. Like so many French cars, there’s more to the Medallion than meets the eye, or the usual Renault stereotypes. Its stats are certainly pretty impressive.
The Medallion is a federalized Renault 21, part of Renault’s last-ditch efforts to inject some fresh French blood into AMC’s dying passenger car line. It essentially replaced both the lame-ented R18 and the obsolete Concord in the line-up, slotting between the compact Alliance and the full-size Premier. Which – in theory – gave AMC a pretty comprehensive and competitive line-up of modern FWD cars. But then theories don’t always pan out.
The Renault 21 was new in France one year earlier, designed to be a competitor to the popular VW Passat and such. Its clean design was by the top designer of the period, Giorgetto Giugiaro. It was roomy, had that famous French ride, and not surprisingly, had a few quirks. One of the more unusual aspects is that it was built in four wheelbase lengths (six, strictly speaking), and with both transverse and longitudinal engines.
These two pictures (by Hooniverse commenter Vavon), explain the four different wheelbase lengths perfectly. First off, the R21/Medallion station wagon (“Nevada”, in Europe), had a substantial wheelbase extension in the rear, reflecting the common and comprehensive French approach to turning a sedan into a very roomy seven-seater (like the famous Peugeot wagons). But take a close look at the front wheels of these two: the top one has its wheels further forward than the bottom one.
Renault used the R9/11’s (Alliance) transverse engine/transaxle in the smaller-engined R21s (1.4 and 1.7 L), but didn’t have a transmission strong enough for the bigger engines (1.9 through 2,2L). So it kept the same longitudinal ahead-of-the-axle-line power trains from its R18 and other older Renault predecessors, and as also used in the larger 25/30 cars for the bigger engined versions. That required setting the wheels further back, as in the lower wagon pictured. Strictly speaking, the all-wheel drive versions had a few millimeter different wheelbase, so technically there were six wheelbase variants. Let’s not keep it simple.
Here’s a graphic picture (also posted by Vavon) of just how roomy these wagons were. Try that in a Hornet Sportabout! Since there were no wagon versions of the big Renault 25/30, the 21 Nevada was the biggest wagon in the line-up, and explains its role as a pre-minivan family hauler. Actually, the Renault Espace came out in 1984, but it took a while for vans to really catch on in Europe.
The US-bound Medallion-badged cars all came with the 2.2 L SOHC gas four (no diesels), rated at 103 hp. This is the same engine also found in US-bound Fuegos as well as the gas-powered version of the LeSharo motorhome.
Speaking of badging, the Medallion started out as a Renault in the US, but mid-year in 1988, it became an Eagle, as it’s perhaps better known as (or not). So there’s both Renault and Eagle 1988 Medallions. Gets a bit complicated, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhiaj3VNzw
This ad is for the Eagle Medallion, so it must have been from later in the year.
The Medallion had a short life in the US; after Chrysler’s buy-out of AMC, it had no choice but to keep the bigger Premier in production. Maintaining adequate production volume on that was a challenge, and Chrysler resorted to a Dodge-branded version, the Monaco, to try to keep the lines running, until it finished development of the Premier-based new LH cars. But the Medallion was shown the door, in favor of Mitsubishi products for the Eagle line-up. 1989 was the final year, and I suspect there’s none too many of those left either.
This had been Jacob’s dad’s car, and ended up sitting in his driveway for five years with a broken water pump. But it only has 69,000 miles, which probably motivated John in the first place to adopt it, and fix that issue. It probably also explains the excellent condition of the upholstery; actually, these cars had quite a nice interior to go along with lots of room. And call me a Franco-phile, but I rather like that dashboard quite a lot. As is obvious, this one is an automatic. A five speed stick was also available.
John and Jacob have been hard at work re-doing the cooling/heating system hoses, having to make up replacements with short sections of straight hose, connectors and clamps, as original replacement hoses are NOT readily available. Walk into an auto parts store and say “1988 Renault Medallion”, and you will be assumed delusional. They had to order that nice new white overflow tank from France. One of the guys asked me if a Nissan dealer might be able to help them out, since the Renault/Nissan alliance. I don’t think so.
You don’t adopt an old orphan French car because it’s going to be easy; it’s like going on a pilgrimage, a higher calling. They were able to find an engine gasket kit, which was needed when they pulled the cylinder head in order to fix the front camshaft seal. That’s no joke.
But the engine has what they say is a misfire in one cylinder. They’re currently hunting down the vacuum system, checking for leaks. But I wonder if that would cause a misfire in just one cylinder? Hmmm. Anyone got any good ideas?
Any 1988 Medallion experts out there that can help diagnose this one’s misfire? I’d sure like to see it back on the road, purring as smoothly as the day it left its AMC/Renault dealer’s lot. It would make me proud to know that my hometown has what may well be the last 1988 Renault Medallion plying its streets, thanks to these hometown CC heroes!
left side
The Renault 19 was the european sister of the US Alliance ( The Alliance is impossible to find in France because it was known as renault 9 (see photo) and was much less finished than his American “Alliance cousin renault 9 was the ancestor of the renault 19.)
front renault 9
inside of a french Renault 9 (1981- 1988), Interior bland and sad in opposit of the Alliance!
interior and dashboard renault 19 convertible ” renault 19 cabriolet” as french people said: more modern and cheerful (also available in leather interior);
Stephanie,
I love your Renault 19 Cabriolet. Is that a car that you own and drive?
When I lived in Canada, my landlady had an older Renault that looked like the Renault 9/19 or 18, but could have been a Renault 30 or 20, that had a blown engine. She said it blew black smoke. This was more than 30 years ago, maybe 1992.
Full range of Renault cars is here: http://www.autoevolution.com/renault/
I love the look of the Renault Sport Spider (1996-1998)
The RENAULT Sport Spider in blue
I live in Mexico land and I have two Renault Medallions, but dont work anything.
I have a catalogue or manuals for repair, but I have not time for do it.
I would like to know if something have a parts for replace. like sensors or electric parts.
I have been thinking to make only one car for these cars.
One on this cars are crash in part lateral.
what are you thinking?
My e-mail: juanguillermorod@hotmail.com
Thanks
When Renault owned AMC, they owned Winnebago and made two RVs (Shbarro ?)powered with the medallions 2.2 liter and 3 speed auto tranny. I find all my mechanical parts in winebago restoration shops across America….easy to find on the internet.
AMC didn’t own Winnebago. Winnebago just bought the Renault FWD Traffic van, and adapted it for their LeSharo RV. Full story here:
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-1985-winnebago-lesharo-turbo-diesel-23-mpg-if-it-still-has-the-original-renault-engine/
Hey, I live in France. Here I can get a lot of parts for Medallion…
If interested, let me know, I have a 1972 Monte Carlo and I’m looking for parts.
I send you Renault parts and you send me Chevy’s 🙂
My dad had an ’88 Renault – badged Medallion…. ( Top of the picture) He loved that car. He bought it in ’90 and he drove it until he died in ’92. My brother took it over after that. It was comfortable, roomy, pretty quick, too, as I remember…..My brother sold it after the transmission went, and even back then it was “good luck, you’ll need it OR deeeeeep pockets”! It was a Burgundy color with a Burgundy interior, and was actually a pretty classy looking ride…. It had an issue with the hubcaps… for some reason, when you took them off, they wouldn’t stay on again! ( As the picture shows) ( The ‘vette was a car I won in a contest I had entered. My Dad was supposed to go to the drawing with me on the day that wound up being the day of his funeral. I wasn’t going to go, but my Mom told me he would have wanted me to …. He was with me, anyway!!!)
Sorry… forgot the pic!
If these guys still have their Medallion and are interested in some unusual parts, they should contact me at fuego007@mindspring.com. I don’t recall exactly what I have, but do know that there are one or two computers that are marked experimental.
I bought mine in san Francisco in 2000 and it is still my daily driver today as I write (jan 2015). It will be my son’s first car. It is an 88 Medallion DL, grey, maroon interior…and my most comfortable car ever. If is my ride of choice for long trips and kids sitting in believe that it is some kind of older luxury car. Cozy, roomy, comfortable, a huge trunk…I love it and it still looks good on a parking lot. Old lady aged pretty well! I found that pix on the internet today…my car @ the Van Nuys all French and Italians!
Here in Argentina the Renault 21 was a luxury car, even in the early 90s a brand new one was worth 27-30k USD. We had a 94 TXE 2.2 8v wich ran up to 113mph like nothing. Later we traded it for a 1993 Renault 18 TX 2.0 8v with 80k kilometers on the odometer, wich had full exhaust system and 15 inch star rims, it was a real quick car(I remember when we got beaten by a Rover 420 SLi wich HAULED ASS..)
Now since 2013 we have a Renault 21 TXi 2.2 8v (multi-point injection 120-130hp) wich has over 350k kilometers on the odometer, it was badly beaten by previous owners but we fixed most of it’s problems with limited budget.
Heres a couple of videos when we first got it back in 2013, it sounded like crap because it had broken exhaust:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JlZVCux-5k – Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AKYuVXDzMs – Exhaust
It’s old as fk but It’s a real fast car wich can easily tail any brand new Mk4 Volkswagen Bora/Jetta GLS 2.0.
Heres a pulling video of this 21 TXi filmed a couple of weeks ago, the car is now in good mechanical shape and we changed the exhaust but the car got really loud because we couldn’t find any silencers, also you can notice now it makes crackling backfires when lifting the throttle, it’s pretty cool. It doesn’t look fast because it has no speed-sense(all 21s are like this), but by that momment I was literally buried into the passenger’s seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pXs8jjS1WU
*Plus a cool video of how a 21 2,2 sounds with race cams. though it’s the non-injected, carburetor-only version it hauls pretty nice(I have this guy on Facebook, you can find him under YERI YUZEFOFF by today he already turbo’ed this 2.2 8valve it’s a very known drag racer):
There are plenty of engine and transmission parts available as well as the sensors for these things available. The Lesharoland site does Chrysler 3.3 L V6 conversions for the Winnebagos, so has plenty of parts for them. Diagnostic info can be found on the http://www.lecharo.co.uk homepage… just scroll down and select the manual that does NOT say Bosch Fuel Injection and you have the correct one. ALTO transmission parts distributor in Alabama stocks the transmission parts for complete one can be built up from the casing, if need be. The Renault transmission manual is also available on the Lesharo uk home page… download the pdf file that states MJ1, MJ3, MB1, ML1. Good luck to you fellows. MobilityRV also has parts for the engine to include sensors, but they will cost more than places like RockAuto. Ensure you identify your engine as a 2.2L RENIX FI to obtain the correct parts. Oil pan gasket is the same as a Peugeot 505, 2.2L, 8V. Good luck to you.
Sasic .fr makes the hoses and you can order them through the UK and they will send them here via Royal Post for far less than our USPS charges to send things over from here to them! Prices advertised are not your prices, take off an additional 20% for exports outside the EU! The same holds true for sensor parts… most are OEM Facet .fr
Hi, good job Jacob and John, the Renault 21 Medallion is one of the most confortable car I ever drove, i imagine the reason that you want to keep running this car. Good luck in your restoration.
I have one functional (except the AC and cruise control) in my garage since 1993 (wagon version), but is in Romania, and unfortunately I have to sell it. (I no longer use it, and the taxes are very big). If someone is interested in this car, here is my e-mail: paul_turea@yahoo.com
Hey Paul I want your Medallion SW for my Sedan !
I had a 1989 that was stolen when it had 2700 miles on the odometer. It was recovered after it crashed. The engine block was broken and after it was fixed I traded it for a pickup. The dealer sold it to a Philipino woman who may still be driving it. It had a wonderful ride.
When Renault owned AMC, they owned Winnebago and made two RVs (Shbarro ?)powered with the medallions 2.2 liter and 3 speed auto tranny. I find all my mechanical parts in winnebago restoration shops across America….easy to find on the internet.
Here it is today
another view today
Three Little Words: “running when parked”:
https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-renault-eagle-medallion/6541946515.html
This sure stirred up a hornets nest…all I can say is…Bless there heart
No idea the R21 was ever available with 1.4 engine. Export only apparently, using the old Cléon engine. Acceleration in my mum’s 1.7 R21 Nevada was already pretty glacial, being overtaken by trucks on uphill sections. I shudder to think how underpowered that 1.4 must have been.
“No idea the R21 was ever available with 1.4 engine. Export only apparently, using the old Cléon engine.”
That’s what it is. Wikipedia France teaches: ” …1,4 litre réservé à certains marchés d’exportation”.
Look at that snout, is that more overhang percentage-wise than the 1980-83 Lincoln Mark VI? Interior looks nice however. The last car I owned with a burgundy cloth interior was a 1982 AMC Concord 2-dr back in the early ’90s.
In the early ’90s I had a brief ride in a Renault Medallion wagon belonging to an acquaintance. He had just gotten it–inexpensively, because of its orphan status. He was handy at fixing his own cars, and he knew what he was getting into, so it may have worked out for him. It struck me as a nice car.
This one is currently on Seattle CL:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1988-renault-medallion-wagon/6692090231.html
i may have the last one running and in good shape in NA!
i sill always need parts 😉
does somebody have parts?
Thanks
Tom
Hey, John and Jacob
i did not read all the posts here, but I am an antique clutch rebuilder, as well as performance clutch maker. For many years I sold stock kits, and although I still do, I keep very little on hand due to the internet offerings. I am going through some of my very old stock, and happen to have a NOS clutch kit for your car. I came across your story on my google search trying to gather value/availability information, to be able to post this kit for sale on E-bay. Before I do, I thought I would give you guys a yell. Would love it for you to let me know either way by e-mail. info@falconauto.com
Marc ~ Falcon Clutch
Wow I remember these but never saw them even in the 80s!
I wonder if there are any Renault 21s left on the road in Europe.
There are a few, yes…
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-european/curbside-classic-1988-renault-21-nevada-turbod-the-other-side-of-the-medallion/
The herd is thinning, but still some survive. Far more than the R9/R11 (Renault Encore), in any case.
Thanks for the update!
The local Jeep/Renault dealership had a Medalion station wagon on display in their dealership shortly before they went belly up around 1988 or so. After my experience with a Renault Encore, I politely declined their offer and moved on. I think this was the first one I have ever seen.
Very fascinating article about the cars, it took a couple reads to get the wheelbase verities thing. Reading through all those posts I noticed the few families that did that Studebaker to AMC thing. Mine did too. My last time in an AM car was a Spirit with that castrated US version EA831. Paul got me straightened out about what I thought, was an EA827 in my Spirit. I wonder if I could’ve bought a crated EA831 shipped from Bremerhaven.
Anyway, 11 years later. If your article was asking if the 2 guys were giving TLC to perhaps one of the last Medallions. The answer was no. I seem to remember hoping for the best for these cars, being a former AMC fanboy at the time.
I recently admitted to my son that I was turned down for a loan to buy a Medallion. I had never been turned down before or since for a loan. He laughed and said the bank did me a huge favor. He was right.
I saw one ‘in the wild’ around five years ago at a local supermarket in Milwaukee. There was a guy sitting in it, waiting for his wife probably, looked disheveled & my recollection he was something like Anslow in Keeping Up Appearances. I asked him if he knew how rare that car was (or something, don’t recall what I said to him), his reply was along the lines of it was just a car to him & he didn’t know anything about it.
OK, I like odd cars, at least good ones. And French cars, I put well over 100K on a Simca 1204, Simca 1100 to the rest of the world. And thought it was a great little car.
But the Renault/AMC alliance (pardon the term) was so obviously destined for failure. Renault had a couple of interesting cars like the 17 Gordini and the little R5, both with virtually no sales, AMC had what, the Gremlin and the Hornet, both ancient and no fun at all to either drive or look at? So the two of them partner to come up with something more modern, but even more boring? And they wonder why they didn’t sell?
I look at this car and I wonder:” Why should I have chosen this over a Volkswagen, any old japanese ruster or even a Ford ?”
No idea, no idea.