(first posted 5/21/2012) Silvia; now there’s a lyrical and storied name in automotive design history. Sadly, Nissan didn’t badge US-bound versions with its home-market name. The SX/Silvia series of RWD coupes is an opportunity to explore Nissan’s design evolution, including the challenging 1970s, an era when Nissan made some of the strangest cars ever. The Silvia/SX coupes started out a bit bizarre, but eventually became handsome, and even these early ones have a strong cult following. The path of finding oneself is not always a pretty picture, as snapshots from our own youth will often attest. But we all grew up to be beautiful, including the Silvia.
Undoubtedly, the Silvia line had to have a powerful beginning for that the name to be imbued with almost mythical qualities. The Nissan Silvia CSP311 premiered in 1964, based mechanically on the Datsun Fairlady sports car (CC here). The Silvia’s styling was altogether different from the Fairlady, and looked like it came straight from Italy. Close.
The Datsun 410/Bluebird, which had arrived a year earlier, was designed wholly or largely by Pininfarina, and represents a turning point in Nissan design (one of way too many).
But that turning point in Japanese design actually had come several years earlier, when Prince Motors (before merging with Nissan) commissioned the Italian design house Michelotti to create a sports coupe on their staid Skyline sedan platform. The result, the strikingly handsome 1962 Prince Skyline Sport, was truly the first really attractive Japanese car, and of course spawned a legendary run of cars bearing that name.
After Michelotti also crafted the Hino Contessa Coupe, one of so many global Corvair-inspired designs, Nissan decided it needed a sporty coupe too.
Nissan’s own designer, Kazuo Kimura, started on the project, but it was obvious he needed help. So that journeyman designer Count Albrecht Goertz was called in, a German with considerable talent and resume…
…who had designed the sublime BMW 507 and assisted with the Porsche 911. Under his trained eye, Nissan learned the craft of designing with the aid of scale clay models, and developed a proper design studio.
Goertz would come back to assist with the superb 1971 Datsun 240Z, which was clearly a high point in Nissan design before the dark ages began shortly after.
Before we leave Nissan’s golden era, let’s quickly pay homage to its most popular design, the Datsun 510/Bluebird, which really established Nissan’s cred with both its advanced engineering (OHC engines, independent rear suspension), as well as its crisp, clear lines.
Nissan’s next turning point was the 1973 B210/Sunny, here being rained upon. I assume Kimura was still running the show at Nissan design, but it’s clear that Goertz didn’t design this one; having been abandoned in Nissan’s quest to find its own authentic Japanese design language. That turned into a long dark night of the soul, and Nissan emerged from it in worse shape than when it entered. That’s not to say there wasn’t European design influence in the B210/Sunny, but we’ll leave that for its own CC, coming soon. But clearly, a new direction was charted.
The first generation Datsun 200SX/Silvia was strictly a limited production car, of which some 500 were created by beating their steel panels over bucks. But in the early seventies, in response to the Toyota Celica, Nissan decided to bring back the name in a popular-priced mass production sporty coupe, based on the humble B210/Sunny platform, but with more power under the hood.
Wikipedia suggests that the S10 Silvia’s design was inspired by the Citroen SM. Well, that’s certainly a good place to find inspiration for the further outliers of design.
But before I even read that, I was rather seeing Alfa Romeo’s 1967 Montreal concept. Or is my imagination getting away with me, again?
Obviously, that’s more in the upswept rear window line, and the flat rear deck then the nose itself. Datsun’s grilles were beginning to really come into their own, although this one is downright tame compared to the F10.
The 200SX arrived around 1975 or so in the US, as previously mentioned in response to the Toyota Celica, which had quite a successful early start, and defined the whole Japanese sporty coupe genre. Toyota had been less whip-sawed in its design evolution, and was already feeling more comfortable in its Japanese skin when the Celica arrived in 1970.
SX Appeal indeed; the Silvia’s new incarnation was clearly a bit to exotic for American tastes, but it sold anyway. Anything Japanese was hot, even more so after the first energy crisis. The fact that the SX sat on B210 underpinnings undoubtedly made it a less than stellar handling sporty coupe, a bitter pill for all those Americans weaned on the brilliant 510. It was a new Datsun, one being driven by cost cutting and presumed SX Appeal. As well as the the L20B SOHC engine, whose lusty nature in the original 510 had been thoroughly de-sexed thanks to smog controls.
The SX/Silvia’s interior reflected the new spacy design theme, although it really isn’t all that bizarre. Lovers of vintage Japanese design will revel at this one.
Since the driver’s side window as conveniently open, here’s another look at what folks were drooling over at their Datsun dealer in 1976 or so. I actually don’t know the exact year of this one; maybe there’s a distinguishing feature somewhere to tell. The first gen Silvia/SX was built through 1978.
I was pretty excited to find this the other day, having almost given up hope on this generation Silvia. But there it was one sunny afternoon, just a few blocks from my house.
I’m particularly taken by this nice molding that is a functional interior ventilation extractor.
The Silvia/SX story is a long one, that only ended in 2002 when the final versions of the S15 Silvia were sold in Australia and New Zealand. We’ll come back and take a look at the many faces of the Silvia in between sometime, but there’s no doubt Nissan found a successful and enduring concept, even if it did get off to a shaky start.
This is one ugly little car, but a fascinating story. I had evidently blocked this one from my memory. Thanks (I think) for bringing it back up.
With this car as a follow-up to the amazing Cutlass aeroback and the delightful 1960 Dodge Dart, are we starting ugly car week at CC?
Not officially, but form what I see from the calendar, there’s a few there that’ll fit right in.
I’ll take the ’60 Dart!
Always thought this was an awkward design, less horrible than other Datsuns of its time is all that can be said. I sure don’t see the Citroen SM in this car, not at all. It’s more like the Alfa, that’s plausible. But Montreal has a real C-pillar, emphasized by those vents. The upsweep on this Datsun looks totally arbitrary, and doesn’t quite match the gratuitous fender bulge.
So how is this like the S-10 Blazer again?
They both sold on the US market
Period. It’s called a period. Third finger on the right hand, below the “L”.
Actually the official name for ‘.’ (U+002E) is Full Stop, which I believe is also Commonwealth usage.
And ‘/’ is Solidus.
They both are called S10.
I thought they shrank the Skyline hardtop to achieve this thing it certainly doesnt look as feeble as a 120y/210. The later Sylvester coupes have quite a following with the boyracer/drifter crowd here but this one is just an eyesore.
The silver CSP311 at the top makes me think of the Lancia Fulvia coupe. With the grille and headlights from a Jensen Interceptor.
very cool indeed very cool i love jap cars of this time esp this one welly glovey manga bizzar style as only the japanees can do
Nissan Murano echoes this car’s wacky C-pillar. Coincidence or genes?
PS: Paul, typo in Datsun in the title.
Thanks. You’re the first to notice? Oh, right; it’s Monday.
When it comes to reading, we usually see what we know is supposed to be there, rather than what’s really there. That’s why most people don’t make good proofreaders.
For example…
Happens to the best. NY Times this morning: Toyota to Use Redesigned Camry for 2103 Season.
I’ve always seen these as being very influenced by the ’68 G.M. intermediate coupes mostly the ’68 Buick Skylark, but W/ a bit of Chevelle around that rear window.
The Chevelle
The reverse-slant sail panel with near-triangular quarterlight thing goes back to the late 50s, though, with stops in between at places like Rüsselsheim: see the 1966-ish Opel Kadett B coupe, for one.
Thanks for beautifying this thread…. esp. after the horrid gremlin-SUV-thing above it. Both Nissan vehicles’ window treatment make me think “Gremlin”.
The subject vehicle has such a wonky look to it that it makes it almost cool. I’m partial to the earlier model B210 hatchbacks though — I think it’s largely due to the wheelcovers. I’ve had a thing for/collected wheelcovers since I was four though..
Yes!, I was going to say the same thing, it looks like a fat small 68 Skylark .
Though I ALSO can see the SM influence in the rear quarter styling and in the dash layout.
Datsun’s champion in the “I wish I was an SM” awards
Definitely. Shorten the overhangs, then run it through the Shrink-Ray, set to about 60%. Bingo!
Just in case I forgot to mention it, I am a long time Datsun/Nissan fan. Even I think those things were ugly. They ran forever though so it didn’t pay to be fickle with them.
They sure did run forever. My brother in law was from a Ford family, American Ford , English Ford , German Ford, Just as long as it was a Ford. BUT in the Mid 70’s Ford was letting him down, He could never get to pay off the loan on his new Fords because they would fall apart with about 18 months left on the loan. Of course the trade in value was less than he owed so the only dealers that would take his trade were.. you guessed it Ford Dealers. After going through 3 Fords (2 Mustang IIs and a Granada) in less than 5 years he had had enough but was stuck in the Ford zone. I was working for a Mercedes dealer at the time and became friends with the one of the owners sons. The dealership group had just acquired a Datsun / Nissan franchise and were about to open a new dealership in an converted supermarket in central Florida. In talking to my friend who was going to be working sales, I mentioned by BIL’s dilemma. “Send him over to see me.” was my friend’s response so I did. Brother in law bought brand new 200SX His first Japanese car and the First foreign car other than my wifes used VW in the family. He drove that car for many years after he paid it off . 3 cross country trips and one alternator and 150,000 miles later he gave it to my Teenage daughter. He is a Japanese Car guy now averaging 12 years between new car purchases
Perhaps the greatest Japanese contribution to society was the democratization of product quality, making reliability affordable to all.
This looks quite a bit like a Renault 17 coupe. I’ve never seen one, and if it is based on a B210 I’m not disappointed!
However I can say that the CSP311 Silvia is just as beautiful in person as in the photos. What you may not pick up on is how low they are, and the fairly tall greenhouse means the hood and shoulder of the car is perhaps a bit lower than a Z car.
OZ had the larger 240k sedans and coupes but yeah Ive never seen this in the wild NZ or OZ and NZ has some real oddball Jappas
Yeah, we never got this shape Silvia. We did get the 240K (aka Skyline) coupe new here, but in very limited numbers – the remaining ones command 5-figure prices when the occasionally pop up on TM.
Nope, I was wrong. We got at least one NZ-new S10 Silvia, it popped up recently.
Some corrections:
Goertz had no direct input on the 240Z. The car he designed in the early ’60s, intended to be a Nissan-Yamaha partnership, eventually ended up at Toyota where it was heavily reworked into the 2000GT. The 240Z was a Nissan in-house design which had much different proportions from Goertz’s car – mainly, it eliminated much of the E-Type-like tumblehome in favor of straight sides.
It isn’t really mentioned here but the 510 was also an in-house design. The hotshot junior stylist who did much of the work on it became head of Nissan design in Japan in the 1980s and would later oversee the 1991-1994 Sentra, hence the strong similarity.
The S10 Silvia/200SX (and S110 and S12) were based on contemporary Bluebird (610/810/910) models, not the Sunny (B210). Just like the Corona-based Celica, Accord-based Prelude, and Galant-based GTO, Nissan shortened a midsize car.
It’s a heavily-debated issue. I said “assisted”. A liberal interpretation of that word is probably adequate.
Yes, the 510 was an in-house design, and very well done indeed.
I always assumed that the Silvia S10 shared underpinnings with the larger Bluebird too. But the only two sources that said anything on the subject claim it’s based on the B210 platform. The fact that both the S10 and B210 have the exact same wheelbase (2340 mm) tends to support that. If there’s better info to support your claim, I’m eager to see it and correct the article.
Wow, I also thought that this model was more mid-sized than the B210 rather than the Bluebird..I owned a ’74 Datsun 710, and that year, I think they offered 3 models, a 4 door (which I had), a 2 door, and a 2 door coupe….later I think they added a wagon…but the 2 door coupe was really rare (not that the 710 was exactly common, even back in the day) and I assumed disappeared right around the time that this (200SX) appeared in the later 70’s, so I kind of assumed it was based on the Bluebird, but of course they may have just come out with a car based on the B210 platform around the same time that the “late 70’s ” incarnation of the 510 came out.
I guess why this is interesting to me is that my 2 youngest sisters have owned qty-4 of these between them (2 each, my middle sister still owns her ’98 240SX)….all of them notchbacks (they apparently didn’t inherit the same recessive hatchback gene that I did)….my youngest sister has since passed, but I just helped my middle sister replace a battery in her 240SX, afterwards I looked at it and asked her if her lights were on (they weren’t)…apparently the brake lights were on all the time…I found the remains of a plastic nub on her drivers side carpet that was part of the brake pedal, it served as a “spacer” to press on the plunger of the brake light switch (there was a similar spacer on other side of same pedal to deactivate the cruise control….without the spacer, there was a hole in the part of the pedal which was supposed to contact the brake switch…looks like not an uncommon problem on this model after I googled it…so put a large headed bolt and nut through the hole to act as replacement spacer and it was OK (I still have elbow rash though from working around on the carpet, she doesn’t vacuum it and the floor had gravel you pick up on your shoes)
Funny thing, a week or 2 later I go to check out my car, and I have the “opposite” problem…no brake lights at all…1 bulb burned out, one missing (I think someone messed with my car the last time I took it in for (unrelated) service…
I see Jensen Interceptor III in this.
What about early 70s Lancia Fulvia Zagato? I see many similarities
Yeah, that and some C110 Nissan Skyline in it also.
These are a shrunken version of the “Kenmeri” C110 Skyline of a couple of years earlier. Especially when you see them with the smaller Japanese bumpers.
Although the Silvia/SX story ended here in 2002, the first one we got was 1979’s S110, so we did actually miss the S10 start (let alone the CSP311). But given the um…individual looks of the S10, most Kiwis wouldn’t think it was a bad thing that we didn’t get it! As a big Datsun/Nissan fan though (witness my previous R33 Skyline sedan in my profile pic), I find the S10 very interesting to look at – although the integrated JDM bumpers look a lot better than those chunky US-spec girders.
Re which platform it’s based on, I too always though it was Bluebird-based, but your point, Paul, re the B210/S10 wheelbases is a strong one. Wikipedia suggests the S-platform was unique, but it’s not always correct. I personally think you’re all correct, as there was a large degree of platform commonality (either in part or in entirety) in Nissan – eg the first (RWD) USA Maxima was effectively just another version of the early 80s Laurel/Skyline/Leopard.
I’m not 100% certain about the S10 and S110 Silvia/SX, but the S12 platform is a shortened R30/31 Skyline/C32 Laurel platform. The platforms for Skyline/Laurel/Silvia were updated roughly concurrently through the Skyline R31/32/33/34, Laurel C32/33/34/35 and SIlvia S12/13/14/15 generations (not to mention the A31 Cefiro, the WC34 Stagea, and the F31 Leopard/Infiniti M30). The basic platform remained the same (with minor updating and a relocated fuel tank) until the death of the C35 Laurel/R34 Skyline/S15 Silvia-SX/WC34 Stagea in 2002 (the Cefiro had become a FWD Maxima years earlier, the Stagea and Skyline continued on the new FM platform, and the Laurel and Silvia-SX were history).
Virtually all mechanical/suspension/electronic/brakes are fully interchangeable among those 4 generations of Skyline/Laurel/Silvia (and the Stagea and RWD Cefiro). And for a laugh the dashboards and many of the body panels bolt easily onto each other too (just google Nissan Skyvia, Lauvia, Lauline etc).
As evidence about the platforms, I have an extensive collection (100+) of JDM/Europe/USA/Australasian Prince/Datsun/Nissan/Infiniti brochures from the 1960s to today. I do have a couple US-spec S10 SX brochures, but no B210/Sunny/120Y ones to compare it with (I may be a Nissan fan, but I have to draw an aesthetic line somewhere in what brochures I buy, and the B210 is hideous). On a more practical level, my C35 Laurel has received new a/c cabin filters, shock absorbers, brake discs/pads and a/c-stereo-GPS touchscreen this year; and in all cases the parts and part numbers were identical for Laurel/Skyline/Silvia/Stagea. I can honestly say my C35 luxo-cruiser has S15 shock absorbers and R34 brakes in it, because it does lol!
Anyway, I’m sure the 2 or 3 of you who read my ramblings will be very bored now, so I’ll go back to reading my latest trademe brochure purchases – including my Australian-spec Hino Contessa Coupe and sedan brochures that arrived in the weekend (how ironic the Contessa is mentioned and pictured above!)
Surely you got the 1200 and 120y brochures for NZ that mention the NZ only sss model the engines were shipped to Dennis Marwood a Waikato racer of worlds fastest Humber 80 fame who moddified them and forwarded them to be assembled into cars. Those along with things like Humber 80s Fiat 125Ts were NZ creations along with 3.3L Victors if it could be raced at all a Kiwi was racing it.
If it’s going to be ugly car week, I nominate the Toyota Echo as one of the ugliest cars of all time and certainly far surpassing the Sebring and Aztek in recent memory as ugliest.
Well, since we’re talking ugly car week and the Celica showed up in this article, how about the weird years for the Celica? I’m thinking of the early 80s when they had the tilt-back headlights. To me, they looked like the eyes of the Sensei from Kung Fu with the silvery cataracts (kinda, mine don’t look like that…)
For that matter, the 1984 Tempo probably qualifies in the bunch.
Hey! Where’s the Ssayngyong Rodius!?
I’m of mixed feelings on the 70’s era Datsuns, the 510, especially the earlier ones were quite handsome and sharp looking.
The 210 coupe and sedan had some nice lines and were cute little cars, the fastback/hatchback variant, I’ve been of two minds on those (as much as I love hatchbacks), it’s the fastback styling and the space age design details on them that I like, and yet don’t like – at least not as well as I do the coupe and sedan.
This car is unique and I think I like it best of the bunch, with the F10 being the bottom of the list.
then again, I find a Yugo GV et-al an interesting vehicle in the design/stylings dept so whats to say to that? 🙂
Mind you, I like the general looks of the Mazda Protege5 and it’s successor, the Mazda3 though I’ve seen other cars I’ve liked better that are its contemporaries.
Though I would not say ugly per se, but these cars WERE quite interesting none the less.
for some reason, I keep seeing that SX with a Starsky & Hutch stripe…..
I am a lucky owner of a 1978 datsun 200sx (s10). Mine is a five speed. Right now it is tore apart and rebuilding it
I remember the 1977-79 Datsun 200SX from when I was a boy. I was too young to drive, much less own a car, but I remember admiring the styling of the car. I thought it was the most attractive car Datsun had offered in North America. I didn’t know its International name, of Silvia.
Seing “Silvia” and “lyrical” in one paragraph put Dr.Hook and the Medicine Show’s “Sylvia’s Mother” in my head! ?
They transform into a swan if you do a couple of changes to the bodywork…
I believe that car won 22 or 23 of 25 or 26 races it competed in over three seasons. Adam Corolla has it now, but it’s the one Datsun I’d like to own at some point.
As naïve as I was about the Bluebirds and the B210s, even I figured out that the 200S(e)X was no veiled reference. And, I never saw that SX appeal ad.
For all the interesting sexual practices that the Japanese have thought up, they probably tend to see Americans as big, hairy, and insatiably over-sexed. So, instead of giving us the lyrically named Silvia, they got down to business and named their highly stylized sporty coupe SeX for the American market.
If so, then maybe they got that impression from US servicemen on leave there.
Let us say it had SX appeal, but for a different species.☺
If you look at the home market version of this car, with a much more attractive grille/headlight bezel ensemble, and bumpers that compliment the design, rather than detract from it as the US sold versions had, and get rid of the tacky striping most of those sold in the US were saddled with, it really isn’t a bad looking little car. Certainly it’s far more attractive than the horror shows that the Nissan/Renault partnership has produced. Everything from the cheapest Versa to the most expensive Maxima is just pure ugliness on wheels….and the SUVs and trucks are equally horrendous.
Agreed Jimmy – the new Nissans look cheap and ugly too. I think the Maxima is hideous. And it already looks dated!!
It’s interesting seeing each other’s interpretations with regard to the styling influence, I see very little SM in it other than the quirk factor. My own imagination sees 1969 Cougar – the side sculpting and wheel openings, the prow of the leading edge of the front, and the semi-loop bumper on the original JDM design are identical. And as an unabashed fan of Cougars I totally like these.
I don’t really know why, but I really like these cars. Ugly? Yep. But a peak example of “70’s Japanese Weird” ugly that transcends its ugliness and ends up back in the attractive camp. Hard to explain, but there it is.
The fourth car the 1962 Prince Skyline Sport, reminds me of different cars from different angles. Early Mustang, 1960 Rambler, 1960’s Studebaker GT Hawk and early 60’s Chryslers are all cars I see in this car. Probably a few others I don’t see. YMMV.
I thought these turds were hideous way back when I was young, and time has done nothing to change my opinion. Gawdawful FUGLY!!!
Mid to late 70s Datsuns were really odd to me. The only thing uglier than this rust bucket was the dreaded F-10. I can still see those tailights in my mind’s eye, and that wasn’t even the worst part of the F-10! Yikes!
designs like these are what led to hondas large rise that continues to this day. the 70s hondas were small, simple, and conservatively styled. they looked like cute little reliable friendly cars with lots of neat standard features and decent dashboards.
these were bad art on wheels. some of nissans BEST designs were the first couple gens of maxima, the orgami and tsuru sentras, the hardbodies… and then nothing until the altezza taillight altima.
I gather “Silvia” is just the name overseas? In America, Silvia (Sylvia) is your 65 year old aunt who plays Bingo every Wednesday.
The new Toyota Prius – the new version of this Datsun/Nissan!!! U G L Y !!!!!!!!!!
I always thought the early B210 models were really BUTT Fugly,
if you get my meaning!
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I am learning that I’m tasteless and everything has Love is considered tacky or too outlandish. Oh well. This car is gorgeous and I’d love to resto-mod one.
Ahhhhhh memories my very first car I ever owned was an 80 200sx coupe in two tone blue… (learned to drive on a seriously hopped up 240z after a 30s messy harris tractor when I was 7)
Excellent lol car,.. and I’ve had nothing but datsun/nissan sports cars for my personal vehicle since (Wife had a 1st gen lancer ralliart and now a FXT)
And NOOOO never ever EVER a finger slush box in my life!!!!!!
Sadly my last was an early s13 240sx ver which I couldnt keep where we lived due to no moremparking but now hunting for another sweet older Nissan I finally have space again 🙂
That CSP311 from the sixties sets off my brain in a couple of ways, and I’ve finally figured it out. It has the “big puppy feet” look that appeals to people, and it’s because it looks like a sedan with a LOT chopped out of the middle. It has a short wheelbase, short doors for a coupe, and followed by sharply raked quarter glass. The overhangs look like the right amount, the part in the middle looks like not enough. Add like 8″ to the wheelbase with 6 in the door and 2 behind it and it’d look much more correct.
I suppose I’ll be the outlier and say I do like the first 200SX, I thought they looked so interesting and provocative compared to their bland successors. Same with the 70s B210. I found their quirky styling charming and unique. I had an ’85 Sentra, it was so bland and boring. I’d have traded it for a B210 any day. I knew them because a neighbor had one (that was unfortunately broke down, I believe with a bad head gasket) and I played in it as a kid. I remember all the many details of the rear panel, the marker lights just stuck on there, lol. The grille was so unusual and intricate. The South African 160Z had a beautiful rear panel with round lights, I believe it was also offered on the Japanese market Sunny.
I find it funny that Toyota copying the first generation Mustang when styling the Celica is “being comfortable in their Japanese skin”. It’s an attractive car, moreso than any Mustang between 1971 and 1978, but they clearly took inspiration from Ford’s original pony car.
CC online effect: I came across one of these for sale on Hemmings.com just last night, same color even—for the princely sum of $18,900. Sure, that price sounds outrageous—but then again, it looks perfect, and can there be any others out there left in this condition, even one?
I think it looks kinda great in these photos, and hey, it’s still a true hardtop—if I had the money, I would definitely snap it up.
Here’s the ad link: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/datsun/200sx/2580960.html
And I might add: I’m really digging those wheel covers. Don’t recall these at all. I remember well the awful honeycomb ones the B210s came out with, but these I don’t think I’ve ever seen.
Yeah I don’t know about $18k, and it’s white, but it’s in beautiful condition.
I never liked those honeycomb wheel covers either, they looked like “smoothies” that were beaten with a hammer.
These cars came up on ‘Driven To Write’ and it was pointed out that they were originally slated to get Datsun’s own rotary Wankwl engine. But they couldn’t make it reliable.
More info here https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/datsuns-own-rotary-engine-the-1972-sunny-re/
How does a car company go from cars like the Datsun Roadster, 1600/2000, 510, 240Z and 1200, to B210, 200SX, F10 etc. I don’t now if even General Motors had as great a plunge as rapidly. The 200SX did have the distinction of being ugly, not sporty as intended, but slow. What a combo.