(first posted 2/28/2011) While some of us wile our idle hours searching for old flames and friends on Facebook, I stalk the streets. After writing about the cars in my life (Auto-Biography), I moved on to searching for examples of all the significant cars in my life through Curbside Classic. Now lest you get the idea from the headline that the treasure hunt is over; far from it. Like all good trips, it’s not the destination, but the journey. And it’s not just cars I owned that I’m after; any vehicle that ever caught my eyes or crossed my mind is CC fodder. Now that’s a big tent indeed. But this car is the old flame I most wanted to find. Here’s why:
“This” was my car for about three years, from 1979 through 1981. Doesn’t seem like a long time now, but years back then were a lot longer; something to do with global warming. A lot of memories were made in our 404. And it wasn’t just a white 404 sedan like this one, which was my daily driver. Stephanie drove a 404 wagon, which is so different from the sedan that it will get its own CC, when I find one. I also owned a little fleet of 404s, about half a dozen, which I would bring back from the dead having found them in junkyards or folks practically giving them away. These I resold or “leased” them to co-workers needing a cheap ride; Paul, the 404 man of Santa Monica.
Why a Peugeot 404? Like so many things in my life, it just happened. I was driving a very tired ’68 Dodge A100 van, which I had remodeled (plywood paneling and a bed) and had served me well during the last phase of my rambling days. I had it when I met Stephanie, and we had some memorable trips, including a rain-soaked honeymoon in the desert. (our whole wedding cost maybe $500).
But I now had a real job, at the little tv station in West LA, and I wanted something a bit more comfortable for my bride and myself. One day, a friend of Stephanie’s sister was over, and said he needed to sell his 404. Bingo! Deal done, instantly. I’ve tended to very fast car buying decisions, but there’s (sort of ) a rationale behind that: I hate shopping, and I can dip into my data base of cars to make a quick yet informed decision. The Peugeot was hardly some obscure Frenchie oddball that I knew little about. But it had never exactly crossed my mind to buy one either.
Peugeots were in my awareness even in my Austrian days: I rarely saw one, but they were spoken of in very high regard: Der Französische Mercedes was the common Germanic expression. And that was about as good a compliment to earn from Germans as it got, back in the day when Mercedes was the paragon of quality.
In the early sixties in the US , I remember reading about the 404s repeated victories in the grueling East African Safari, which Peugeot won in ’63, ’66, ’67 and ’68. And the African connection didn’t end there: Peugeots were the preferred car in many parts of Africa for decades, and they are still much in use today, including the 404 pickup versions that seem to be able to struggle on no matter what the load:
Now the whole Peugeot 404 story is a mighty big one; its history, design (by Pininfarina), production in Africa, the remarkable wagons (Familiale, etc.) (see full story on them here) and trucks, its rally successes, its early adoption of diesel motors, the very graceful coupe and convertible versions; well, I’m going to have to break it up into bits and pieces, and will scatter them around here over the next week or so.
I sincerely hope the subject is not too esoteric or obscure; too many Americans harbor a seemingly endless grudge against all those oddball Frenchie cars. Part of that rep was earned by the fragile Renaults sent this way. And many 404s were practically abandoned (to my benefit at the time) because owners and mechanics just weren’t familiar with their little eccentricities. But the 404 has earned a significant place in history, and not just because I bought one on seeming impulse. Bear with me…
I’m going to focus primarily on the 404 sedan in this CC, which is a plenty meaty subject alone. The 404 arrived in 1960, superseding but not replacing the beloved 403, which continued to be built simultaneously until 1966, at a lower price point.
The 403 had replaced the 203 in 1955. I’ll do a more comprehensive history separately, but let’s just say the evolution of a distinct lineage and concept really was similar to Mercedes of the time, just a bit smaller, a tad less ambitious, and correspondingly cheaper (in 1969, the 404 cost $2700; the cheapest MB 220 was $4360). The 403 was a fairly popular import in the fifties, and one with a reputation quickly established for high build quality and comfortable ride. David E. Davis and Phil Hill were 403 drivers back in the day, as were many others “in the know”. For those that could afford a second car, it made a great way to pamper your backside during the week after racing your MG or Austin Healey on the weekends. I had a 403 too, but that’s a different story, and not as compelling: it was a basket-case, and I never got it put back together. Boo hoo.
The 404 was the next evolutionary step, and although similar in size to the 403, there were some major changes. The front suspension was all new, a long-travel strut which featured the legendary Peugeot-built shock absorbers that not only managed to control the soft springs very well over the worst (African) conditions, but would do it for 100k miles or more in grueling conditions before wearing out. That may not seem so impressive today, but I seem to remember typical American car shocks getting soft every 30k miles or so, like so many other components back in the day.
The 404’s rear axle and suspension though was pretty much a carry-over from the 403, quite unique and equally legendary. Also a coil-suspended long-travel affair, it featured a solid live axle that used a worm-drive rear differential. Yes; and it’s the only manufacturer I know of that used that worm gear. It was a distinct Peugeot feature going back to the first post-war 203, through the 404. Its successor, the 504 moved on to IRS, although not the wagons.
I know that worm drives are somewhat less efficient, but are almost impossible to break, no matter how much torque is churned through them. I guess Peugeot had their reasons, and I’ve never heard of one going bad. The drive shaft is also a torque tube, meaning that there is only one universal joint, where the front of the drive shaft meets the back of the transmission. Essentially, the drive shaft is the primary element that locates the rear axle, with two additional support elements angling out from the shaft to the sides of the axle where the coil springs reside. There are no rear control arms otherwise. It allows for an exceptionally high amount of axle articulation, normally a concern for serious off-roaders. That reminds me, I have to do a piece on the 4×4 Peugeots.
The torque tube was once quite popular in older American cars, and reminds me more than a bit of Henry Ford’s beloved Model T rear axle arrangement that he held onto through 1948. The little coil spring off the axle (in the upper picture) is another typical Peugeot quality engineering device, it connects to a load-sensing rear brake proportioning valve, reducing rear brake pressure to the extent that the body is leaning forward, to avoid premature rear wheel lock-up. It was the lack of that device that made GM’s X Body cars such notorious rear-wheel lockers due to their FWD front weight bias.
The 404 got a new version of the Peugeot engine (this picture has soft focus, and that’s not the stock oil bath air cleaner), although it built very much on the experience of the 203 and 403 engines, which all head cast iron blocks and hemi-head aluminum heads (why did this technology elude Detroit for so many decades?). In the 404, the block was canted to the passenger side, just like Chrysler’s slant six. It’s capacity was 1618cc, which seems laughable today for what was a fairly prestigious sedan in Europe. In fact, except for Peugeot’s different approach to key technical solutions, one could really think of this as the C-Class of its time, or a Mercedes 160, if you will.
The Peugeot engineers made smooth running a major priority for the 404 engine, paying attention to internal balancing and other details like the intake manifold, which is integrated right into the head. The result is a remarkably smooth four, and it was very happy to scoot Stephanie and I up and down I-5 on our many trips between SF and LA at 80-85 mph (the wagon, with lower gearing, preferred seventy or less). The early engines had 72 hp, but the later ones like this, which also had a more rugged and smoother five bearing crank, were rated at 80 hp @ 5500 rpm.
One little engine detail I want to share with you. See that little angled aluminum affair pointing at the back of the fan pulley? The 404 was one of the earliest (first?) production engines to incorporate a thermostatic fan clutch. Inside the pulley is an electro-magnetic clutch, which is activated by a carbon brush that normally would sit inside the hole of that unit (this one is removed). The spring-loaded brush is in constantly contact with the pulley, and energized it like a brush in an electric motor. But I’ve never seen one working, except my own. One can easily screw down the fan mounting bolts to engage the fan permanently, and that’s what all of them seem to have had done with them.
I bought a replacement brush unit for mine, sanded the area where it contacts the pulley, hooked up the wiring to the thermostat, and it worked like a charm. When you only have 80 hp, one hates to see one or two of them them wasted. Except on very hot days or really hard running, the fan rarely came on (you could hear it, and feel it too). For what it’s worth, that little doo-hicky is representative of why Peugeots sometimes got a bad rep: folks just weren’t willing to deal with the unfamiliar, no matter how well engineered it was.
And the legendary crank hole. Yes, every 404 was still shipped with a folding crank in the trunk, and there’s the hole it goes in. I used to love to show it off; one quick little pull, and it always sprang to life. Great thing to do at the curb on Rodeo Drive in front of a fancy restaurant. Dead battery? No problem, regardless of whether you were in the Kalahari or Beverly Hills. I’m not exaggerating when I say that the 404 was the fastest starting car I ever had. The quickest little blip of the key or pull of the crank, and away it went.
The Peugeot rep for comfort was never in question. Yes, it was a French obsession, rooted in the terrible roads of yore as well as…some intrinsic cultural quality? The Peugeot was not in the same league as the Citroen DS; well no one ever quite challenged it. But the Peugeot was conceptionally the fundamental polar opposite of the hyrdo-pneumatically suspended, braked and steered Goddess, and with the resultant reliability issues. Let’s just say a co-worker had a lovely DS 21 at the time, so alluring; but he was always challenged to keep up it running reliably, and eventually gave up. I know they can be kept going in the right hands, but I was smart enough to know those weren’t mine.
Anyway, it was a combination of the very long-travel suspension and Peugeot’s superb seats that added up to the most extreme jump possible from the horrible harsh riding A100 van and its lawn-chair seats. Motoring in the French style! And with a sunroof, of course, which was standard on all the 404s, except perhaps the stripper taxi version. Oh, I forgot that like the Mercedes in Germany, Peugeot sedans were also the default taxis in Paris. And not just there too; I remember riding in them in Vienna too, with their noisy throbbing Indénor diesel engine which shared absolutely nothing with the gas engine, including its rough manners.
There was also the legendary 404 Injection model, which had the Kugelfischer mechanical injection unit, a true marvel in its own right (details here), as also used on the BMW 2002tii. I’m not aware of it being imported to the US, but it made the 404 a pretty hot car for the times, with a solid 100+ mph (160+ kmh) top speed.
Back to the comfort, and not speed: the seats in these cars are absolutely superb, and its obvious that they aren’t “buckets” in the usual sense. What those front seat also make clear is what a narrow car the 404 is from today’s perspective.
Well, not just narrow, but downright tiny. What was once a very substantial European “saloon” looks positively pathetic, like in this shot with a Saab 9-3. It looks like a Trabant! Yikes. Well, the Trabi did crib its styling from the 404 and other cars styled by Pininfarina at the time. I’m going to also do a separate piece on the stylistic origins of the 404, which traces back to Pinifarina’s revolutionary 1955 Lancia Florida concept, one of the most influential designs of the whole era.
I still have to quickly say something about the the Peugeot’s transmission; more specifically how its shifted. All Peugeots through the 404 had a column mounted shifter for the very sturdy and easy shifting four-speed transmission. After the Dodge van’s cave-man column shifter, the 404 was a marvel, so delicate, light and easy shifting. I always used just a couple of fingers, as the stick seemed to just need to be guided a bit in its natural progression through the gears. Ultimately perhaps not quite as fast as a floor stick, it was quick enough, especially since the 404 is not a car that invites a harsh style of driving.
It could be hustled fast enough, but it just didn’t encourage it. It liked to be respected and handled with a bit of delicacy; a real French Dame. And it would reward with an ability to swallow the miles effortlessly in a way that no other car in its size and price class could equal. That is the essential quality of the 404, and I loved it for that.
I have no doubt that if that guy was trying to sell a BMW 1600/1800 or an old Volvo on the quick, I would probably have jumped just as readily. But a 404 is what it happened to be, and I never regretted it. Oddly enough, my need for serious speed kicked in a bit later in life; anyway compared to all the Beetles I had owned before the Dodge, the 404 was a speed demon.
Another detail or two to put Peugeot’s fastidiousness with sturdy solutions that I have to share: The hub caps are securely held on with a bolt. Even the ruggedest road in Africa won’t shake this off.
And this little gem: its one of four standard mounting bases for the factory roof carrier, net to the sunroof. The center screw is removed, and then re-inserted through the carrier’s legs and screwed back into that securely attached base. The much longer wagon had six bases, and I managed to find a NOS wagon roof rack, a huge sturdy galvanized affair that covered the whole roof. You could walk on it, and load all your life’s belongings on it. How I wish I had never let go of that wagon.
I say that because my sedan was a bit tired when I got it; it had led a pretty full life, and was eleven years old, and had well over 100k on it. Those expensive Peugeot shocks were getting soft, and the upholstery was splitting. After I was given a company car in 1981 (a Buick X-Body Skylark, no less), I sold it for more what I paid. It was time to move on.
But Stephanie’s dark-green 1970 wagon was still very youthful, with some 50k on the clock. I got it for $35, because the head gasket on the new-for-1970 1800 cc engine leaked and the cylinders were inundated. I knew of a good 1600 cc motor in a junk yard for $50, and quick as a wink, it was back in action. With the three-speed ZF automatic and the 1600 motor, it was truly a bit leisurely, but always got us to our destination, including way up in the Sierras on rough roads, practically 4×4 type stuff. The wagon had a substantially longer wheelbase and completely different rear end and suspension: camel-ready, so to speak. I also found an original factory roof rack, which could haul a huge amount of gear, bikes, etc.
It’s time to end this 404 love fest; but I will be back with some related articles from time to time, unless something more compelling gets the best of my ADD. Sorry, that’s the way I roll. There’s no set agenda here at CC; it’s all about serendipity.
One last thing: This 404 has 56k original miles on it. It was a widower’s car and sat in a garage for 26 years. Alex, a student at the UO and his Dad, who once was a Peugeot mechanic found it and got it back on the road four years ago. And they just might be willing to sell. Stay tuned. (Update: willing yes; reasonable price no. Pass)
Update in 2016: I still have pangs of regret on passing on this one, but what’s life without them?
Illustrated History of all the classic RWD Peugeot wagons (203, 403, 404, 504, 505) is here
EP mineral oils have sulphur in the extreme pressure additives that chemically attack the bronze wheel, leading to pitting on the drive surface that later becomes cavitation holes, giving a Swiss cheese look. Reversing the 21 tooth (sedan and CC) or 19 tooth (wagon) bronze crown wheel gear will definitely add some years to the gear – I did this in 1981 to my first 404.
In Europe where vegetable oils were used in these gears, cavitation damage is unheard of.
Gear oils are not recommended for Hillman gearboxes as the sulphur content erodes the syncros engine oil should be used instead.
Hello there. Regards from Southeast Europe, Macedonia. I am owner of a Peugeot 404 familiale diesel with only 16302 Km on the odometer. The car is in original condition.
It is very exciting to drive it since it has amazing handling on the road. I keep this car and drive it about 1 Km per month. You can see the photos in my album:
http://on.fb.me/1yslk1v
I have learned a lot of things regarding Peugeot 404 and this is really useful web sites.
My father has had two family versions, the rust was their fatal, not the mechanics
1969 404. I bought it in 1975 and had it for 23 years. In that time I clocked up 860,000 km. Drove it through every dozer track in the Victoria mountains and then up to Darwin and back. Dragged a boat down every bush track in the Territory for 10 years. It final failed. It first major break down. Gearbox input shaft bearing disintegrated. Great car…. I want another….. please
You are so fortunate about your love of 404s. At least you could keep them running.
Mom & Dad got married in 1959. He was fresh out of Navy officer candidate school and going on to get his wings. Mom brought into the marriage a convertible (probably an Olds, since that’s all her parents drove), and Dad promptly traded it in for a Peugeot 403. Why, I still don’t know. But I know mom hated that car because as soon as Pop put out to sea on a carrier, it would promptly break down. This may be a condemnation not of the cars but the lack of any dealer network. The last straw was when pop went on a 6 month cruise in the North Atlantic, and there was only one place in all of Norfolk, VA that could fix it and that was across town. And mom had enough to deal with 2 terrorists in training (my brother and me). After two years of this, she put her foot down and demanded he get a car that can be fixed at any gas station. So, that led to the new 1963 Ford Ranch wagon. Which was pretty reliable, but two years in Rhode Island and 2 in Pensacola led to a grisly death by rust by 1969 (I remember those gaping holes in the rear quarter panels). The 403 is the only car I don’t remember in growing up, but that was the end of us being a one car family, too. Later, pop did have a 1948 Plymouth (his base beater) and a 1959 MGA that spent more time on the battery charger in the garage than on the road. Maybe pop was ahead of the curve–he was into the exotica of cars before the USA got swept by the Japanese brands during the 1980s. Today he drives either a Honda or a Lexus.
Just a hint of my first Peugeot 404 ute,bought for $900 in the late 1980s.That ute carted many tons of ironbark,a hardwood,when I was building.It had done approximately 500,000 miles and apart from a new clutch and a new headgasket,was immensely reliable.I sold it for much more several years later when I found another 1970 404 ute,same colour,Sage Grey,a light green,which funnily enough was purchased new in Australia by a Canadian anthropologist who made a heavy and tall insulated canopy fitted out as a camper.When he returned to Canada the man I purchased it from,an industrial chemist for James Hardie,only used it for his annual holiday.So the mileage was 36,000 and the condition was like new.Many years later it had done approx 89,000 miles and still drove and ran like a dream.I removed the camper because I used it for work as a gardener/landscaper but took great care with it.Haven’t any pics but do have video.It was a great ute.It was the best condition 404 ute I had ever seen and still looked and drove like new at 89,000 miles which is nothing for a 404.Back in 1989 or so I paid Aust $2800 for it and still it is better than my very low,115,000 kilometre Holden[Isuzu] Rodeo turbo diesel ute.I wish I still had the Peugeot.
Sorry I got the years mixed up,bought the 36,000 mile ute in approx 1993 and sold it in approx 2000.
Formerly owned two 404s and still have the owners manual for the 1962. Will take any reasonable offer.
Also have the factory supplied roof rack that fits the mounts. Also will part with that for any reasonable offer but purchaser needs to pick up in Canada or arrange own shipping. Someone somewhere must know the bolt size, thread count etc.
The old spare keys are going too.
Mike
Mike.. whereabouts in Canada are you? I’d love to buy the roof rack off you.. I’m down in california with a 1966 404, but I have some friends up north who are usually good for a scavenger hunt so maybe I could work it out!
If you get this shoot me an email at : Planetlinda@hotmail.com
Please 🙂
Just read Paul N’s very lengthy but interesting post on his acquaintance with 404s and feel compelled to add that not all had vinyl seats. I had a 62 with a tweedy kind of material…car was light blue. My 68 model was dark blue with a red wool kind of seating material. Both wore exceptionally well and the 68 was vastly more comfortable than most cars and I used it for a friends wedding ride.
The first was bought in Germany the newer one in Canada. It didn’t survive a near head on crash but I did. Cheers to all 404 owners.
PS I thought the picture in Paul’s post showed him using a bumper jack. The 404 had jacking points for the factory supplied jack.
Yes, non-US cars probably had cloth, as that was more common in Europe. In the US, vinyl was generally seen as a more premium seat covering, and came standard on nicer American cars. It’s the same with Mercedes; in Europe cloth and velour were typical; in the US only MB-Tex (vinyl) or leather.
My car didn’t have the original jack, so I used what I had. 🙂
You are indeed a Peugeot expert. I enjoyed the info about the electromagnetic clutch on the fan. My father was an aircraft servicing tech and was impressed with that and many other aspects of the car. My 62 was formerly his and we both ended up owning two.
You will undoubtedly recall the extra length spark plug wrench. You have helped bring back both car memories and those of the 60s . Thanks.
Mike
Sweet looking car. I’ve heard of the Peugeot 404, and I’ve seen pics of the 404, but I’ve never seen one in person. I find it more attractive than later Peugeots: the 504 and 505. The only other Peugeot I’ve seen that look better (IMHO) than the 404 was the 604. If you live between Tacoma, Washington and Bremerton, and you own one, and don’t mind showing the car off, please let me know. I’d be very much interested in having a look. 🙂
This is exactly the kind of car that I like, and I never knew it until now. Simple, durable and comfortable. One of these would be great to experience, except that now they are extremely scarce – especially in the midwest.
The engineering was quite elegant on these. I sometimes wonder if it was VW’s early success here in the US that greased the wheels for Mercedes to take off some years later. And you wonder how things might have been different if the Renault Dauphine had been built as well as these, paving the way for a solid fan base for French cars. But . . . no.
Paul, the 404 I had in Alaska carried its “starting handle” clipped to the left front wheel well. I remember how very handy that was, since the battery (which I was constantly trying to save enough $$$ to replace) wouldn’t hold a charge much below 0º, but the engine would start – usually – on the third or fourth pull. Of course the one time it didn’t was when we were all dressed up for the party we were trying to leave, and were surrounded by curious friends …
Another car very popular in Israel at the time and now firmly established as a classic collectors vehicle over there. When I served in the Israeli navy between 79-82 we had a picks up to serve our missile strike craft and I spent a few good hours in it. Tons of taxicabs like the below, too.
The same time Paul was wrenching on his 404’s, I was rebuilding the engine in a ’66 VW Fastback, like the white once next door to Paul in the background of the 3rd picture. Knowing how scarce parking was in Santa Monica, I have to assume those 6 404’s were not parked all at the same time on the apartment grounds. I was working at the Santa Monica VW dealership during this time (’78-’80) and we had to park in a 2 hour time zone alley. Whenever the meter maid marked tires a mad rush to play musical cars ensued.
I drove my ’70 C10 daily from purchase in ’76 until ’79, the second gas crunch and dollar a gallon prices sent me to the Recycler newspaper in search of a VW. I found a ’66 Fastback with the engine in a box in Pasadena for $300.00. The seller steered the engineless VW to my house behind my Chevy towed with a rope. The engine in a box was tossed in the back of the C10 and I rebuilt the engine in spare time after work at the dealership, with the help of the mechanics and their tools. When finished, the completed engine rode in the back of the truck and was installed the the Fastback over the weekend.
It was a lot better (and cheaper) driving in the bumper to bumper traffic from La Crescenta to Santa Monica in the VW than in the stripper power nothing truck. And really nice to be able to squeeze into a much smaller parking space
In 1981 the VW was sold to my parents after buying a ’75 Rabbit, my first water cooled VW and my first car with AC as well. By this time I was driving from La Crescenta to Thousand Oaks (92 miles a day round trip), and the upgrade was appreciated.
We were within a few miles of each other at times back in those days, Paul. If I remember correctly I used to watch the 3 Stooges on Channel 52 UHF a few years earlier. Was that eventually the station you worked for?
Nice to read this reprint, I well remember this story the first time, great read!
Parking was a major issue. My only assigned parking spot under the apt. building was occupied by my non-running 403. I kept my 404 sedan on the street, or during the week, used the large church lot that is in the picture.
At most I kept one or two other 404s on the street. I remember a non-running one that I used to push across the street on street sweeping days.
The rest I would stash on the streets at the tv station, or in the back lot. I didn’t really have all six at the same time; I would re-sell them, or “lease” them to someone needing cheap wheels at the station. And keep them running, which was mostly easy.
The 404 Pug that longtime friend owned in Geelong lasted for what seemed an eternity for his daily commute from Geelong to Melbourne or the occasional commute to Ballarat. It was always a pleasure to be in his Pug when I’d return to Oz and home again in Victoria. Thanks for the fond memories. Was this a later French equivalent of the Borgward?
Peugeot managed to wring over100mph out of a 404 diesel sometime in the mid 60s, they led the world in passenger car diesel development despite the Benz propaganda.
Thanks for this re-run. Very impressive, all this thorough classic Peugeot knowledge.
An uncle had a 404 in the early seventies, and after that a 504. As a matter of fact, the man has driven Peugeots as long as I can remember. With only one exception, a Volkswagen Vento. After that “mistake” it was back to Peugeot again. He currently owns a 307 hatchback.
Last Saturday I saw this 1968 404. That dark purple was a popular Peugeot color back then and in later years.
Another picture.
Hi! Seen or know of one for sale?
I have never owned a Peugeot and never plan too.
But I sure do like the looks of the 403 model seen on this site.
Would be my choice over the 404 for styling.
Awwww …. I sure miss my 404.
Bought it well used in Seattle in the early 1970s.
Girlfriend — just once — left it parked on the street instead of in the driveway and a drunk driver sideswiped and destroyed every parked car on the block that night.
If I knew of a Peugeot mechanic in the SF East Bay, to keep it running, I’d look to buy another 404 now that I’m old, retired, and getting shaky, for the few times I actually want to drive somewhere for fun.
What about the “sleeps two” configuration? The front seats would slide underneath the dash allowing two adults to sleep (or whatever). I had several people sleeeping in the car during a Watkins Glen downpour, in addition to what every American male would use the cr for in High School. What a car! It once cost me $35 in gs to get to Miami from Trenton. Split four ways, it was less than the beer cost.
Joe B
Oh, this brings back memories! Dad bought me a 404 in 1973 and taught me to drive stick: I remember 4 forward speeds on the steering column; the seats that would slide forward and go ALL the way back to make an actual car bed; the Moon Roof, and the 95 horsepower — but she towed our motorboat up the mountain and down! What a sweet little machine, and a real hoot to own in Chattanooga, Tennessee!
Dad had been in the Army for a year (draftee in 1946) and remembered a drill sergeant who couldn’t be arsed to pronounce anyone’s name correctly: he’d just yell it out any old way he had a mind to. So there was a fellow named Jacques in the platoon, and the Sgt. would holler “Jack-KEWS!!” when calling the roll in the morning. So of course that became our little car’s name. That, or The Frog.
Thanks for all the pix!
Hello
i Need some help. i saw the Picture with the Motor. i bought a fork lift truck . The Company is called Matral. i think there is the same Motor wich is jused in the 404.
But i can`t find any Information about this Motor. Which Type or number.
Do you have some Information for me?
I am interested if you have one for sale 404 Peugeot.
Have read that initial plans for what became the Peugeot 404 were for a large V8 with hydropnumatic suspension akin to the Citroen DS that was quickly abandoned for a smaller project, thanks to a combination of problems with the Citroen DS, Suez Crisis and Peugeot’s traditional clientele generally preferring more conventional suspension / cars.
On top of that though Peugeot was once considered the equal of Mercedes-Benz (which is hard for us younger generations to believe), they decided to abandon the high-end segment because its market research showed that the tax burden was greater on French motorists than in other European countries and thus could only afford small cars.
Nonetheless am interested to find out more about the abandoned V8 project, specifically whether the V8 engine is essentially a doubled up 403/404 4-cylinder, an unrelated design or part of a little-known pre-PRV collaboration with Renault?
Great article and following. I’m very interested in Finding a 404 Sedan for a similar project…any clues or info on finding one?
My father had many a Peugeot (403, 404s and 504s) – primarily because mother was French (never mind the Simca) – but he too admired the engineering, sheer simplicity and durability of these autos. Hell, we even got one up to 96mph one fine day.
Any who, still have his OEM (O.L.D) 404 aluminum roof rack with attaching bolts: what to do? It’s definitely for sale; what do you think it is worth?
Tell me, tell me; can also throw in two 504(?) hubcaps – all original.
Do tell.
Eric
C: 703-407-0329
Hi! Will keep those items in mind if needed, when I find one to purchase…Thanks!
i love the history so impressive . im fixing one bringing it back from the grave ,please can i have a video on how to bleed the clutch master cylinder. thanks
So great! in 1988, I bought a 404 from a lady in Jacksonville, Oregon. My dad towed it to our home in Medford. It was white with an oxblood interior, sunroof, etc. It was an amazing car! Until the engine blew a chunk of the block out onto the street one winter. Back then, there were no Peugeot dealers in the area, and being pre-internet, I had no choice but to get rid of it. I was really bummed. It was a great car to have as a high school kid!
Thanks a lot Paul. I knew almost nothing about these and you forced me to learn something through your clear, coherent writing to share your eclectic and informed experience. I have gone from being indifferent to actually wanting to know more about this fascinating car.
I would like to get one 404 cause I miss mine in the Philippines. Hope I can rebuild one here in the US.
In my shady used cars days, I found a lovely 505 for my girlfriend, whose 1980 Jetta was biting the dust. At the same time, I got to drive Mercedes-Benz W123s quite regularly.
The similar: both cars are built like tanks, with very strong unit bodies. They are about the same size. Both cars ride well, but the French car more comfortably. They both feel to be made of high quality components and neither is expensive to run, even in the gasoline versions.
The different: One is German and all businesslike. All the controls have heft, even the power steering. The seats are hard but comfortable. The ride is firm but not harsh. The other is French. The controls are all buttery smooth and easy. The motor is easy. The ride is posh and controlled. The seats are soft and superbly comfortable.
Even at the time these cars were common, I would always take a Peugeot home over a Mercedes-Benz W123.
Just in case youre still trying to scratch that 404 wagon itch somebody had one for sale on NZ’s Trademe auction site diesel engine but not the original its wasnt hugely expensive when I noticed it $10k or so NZ pesos which isnt a lot in US money postage could be expensive.
I had a couple of friends with 404s back in the 70’s. While they liked them, they both seemed to like talking about them as “Africa Cars” more than anything. I do recall front strut issues though, something about the front end very loose and knocking IIRC.
One thing I hadn’t heard of was the roller gear diff. That means you couldn’t push start it, right? Especially as Africa was apparently one of their major markets, that seems odd.
That will likely have been the upper shock mounts, perished rubber. A cheap-ish DIY fix if you have a spring compressor.
Maybe I missed it long ago but with such love for these two cars, the sedan and wagon, why then were they given up? With excellent care, and a decent mechanical background, one can pretty much make a car last one’s lifetime. It just seems to me that if another 404 fell into your lap it wouldn’t be turned away or have we moved on? Puzzled…
For those who like the 404, YouTube channel, Photogriffon, has just released a two-part history of the model. It’s in French, but it’s not too hard to understand, I think. Here’s part 1.
My father (architect) bought two of them brand new in succession in 1966 and 1972. he did not consider a 504 for a second and stuck with the ageing 404 until he did not need it any more due to his retirement. it was conserved/stored in a dry garage for 15 years. in 2000 i took it to my own home and recommisioned it.
i still own and drive it occasionally. 236000 km now and still counting. absolutely the most comfortable car i ever had. and ‘bombenfest’ to use another german phrase. yes the thermostatic fan coupling works, just as all other equipment. so easy to maintain/restore. just be sure to grease the 10 nipples every 5000 km and all balljoints will last forever.
interesting to see that the usa spec 404 has additional padding on the (steel) dash top and a black painted and padded intrument cluster. probably local safety laws in action.
so thanks for your fine article, best regards from the Netherlands
Andre.
Yes, the 1968 US safety regulations required padded dashes and other things like soft knobs, padded steering wheels and such. I much preferred the earlier steering wheel, and fitted one to my ’68 sedan.
Enjoy your 404! I should have bought this one.
great minds think alike? i fitted a complete 1966 dash to this one too 🙂 both my dad and i missed the original interior style of the first 404 (including soft cloth seats) that was unified to 504 spec in 1969. the 404 range was downgraded for commercial reasons so only vinyl from 1970 on… you will see many pics of mine in the (dutch) weblog link under my name.