(first posted 2/6/2014) Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall. (Pride before the fall). The gen1 Scirocco (CC here) is a gem, one of those rare cars that has always looked good since it first appeared in 1974. It’s crisp, dynamic, and as and tight and tidy as a lacquered jewel box. One of Giorgetto Giugiaro’s finer mass-consumption pieces, it and his companion Golf Mk1 made a brilliant twosome. It would be hard to find two more enduring cars, especially considering that they arrived in the mid seventies, a low point in American and Japanese design. No one will ever say the same about its successor Mk II.
When it came time to consider a replacement for the do the Mk I, VW’s priorities were more passenger and luggage space, and better aerodynamics. But VW didn’t just press the speed-dial number for Ital Design. VW had survived its most difficult crisis thanks in part to Giugiaro’s masterpieces, and that irrepressible German–how shall we say it delicately?–self-confidence had fully re-emerged.
A sort of design competition took place, with several in-house designs considered along with one from Giugiaro, whose proposal apparently strongly echoed his original Mark 1. It was rejected in favor of the home-baked one. More interior space indeed, but that came at quite a price.
Obviously, the Scirocco II was meant to be the companion toy to the Mk II Golf (above), which was also designed in-house. Being that the Golf is the quintessential German car, the Golf II works, well enough. It too will never go down in history like the Golf I for its timeless design, but it’s adequate enough, and expresses its practical and conservative German roots.
But a sporty coupe is another thing altogether, and the Scirocco II would be VW’s first stab at such a thing. The brilliant and classic Karmann Ghia was outsourced for a very good reason. It established an Italo/VW tradition that would have been better to keep going.
The Mark 2 looks like it had collagen injections; all the sharp edges and tight skin have been softened and rounded, and that brilliant C-pillar and door-stop wedge shape tossed out. In its place are elongated rear side windows, and a drooping rear hatch with glass bisected by the spoiler, one of the earlier examples of its kind on a mass-production car. Better rear visibility indeed; how practically German is that?
As someone who’s always complaining about visibility, the Mark 2 definitely offers an improvement in that regard. And of course, it benefited from the improvements in engine capacity and outputs. That really applies to the later 16 valve versions, which upped the performance ante considerably.
The Scirocco 2 appeared in the US in 1982, with a carry-over 1715 cc 74 hp engine from its predecessor. That was a less than stellar start, considering that the lighter Mark 1 had about the same horsepower almost ten years earlier. In mid 1983, the Wolfsburg edition had the 90 hp 1.8 L engine as used in the US GTI. A long-overdue step in the right direction. This JH engine would power the basic Scirocco through its final US appearance in 1989.
The 16 valve 1.8 finally arrived here in 1986. The unsmogged Euro version had a healthy 139 hp, but even the US version’s 123 hp was healthy kick in the rear. Given the Scirocco’s light weight and excellent handling, there was plenty of fun on tap.
The Scirocco 2 just never sold adequately in the US. Its styling wasn’t that bad, really; but it also just didn’t sparkle like the Mark 1. Performance came along too late, and the mid-late eighties were the glory years for the Prelude, Celica and the other Japanese coupes, not to mention the Miata. The tide had shifted, and the Scirocco reflected the general malaise that engulfed VW in the US for all too-long.
The Mark 2 undoubtedly makes for a fun cheap toy, given the huge range of options available for upgrades. But one sees very few around, and they just don’t generate the love that the Mark 1 does. This particular example is not exactly typical, given the unique touches it has garnered. Let’s just say it reflects the Mark 2’s status perfectly: you’d never see a Scirocco Mark 1 given this treatment.
Nice find, you don’t see many of these around anymore (not even here in Europe) As an avid VW oppposer (I’m a Ford Guy, with a certain affection for Hondas) I always liked how the Scirocco was just a squareish version of the Accord Hatchback, and a bad try at being a Capri. Nice car for VW though, and I actually think the MK2 is a good design, even if it’s a hard act to follow when the original is a Giugiaro, one of my favourite european designers.
I test drove a 1988 model and fell in love with it. It went way better than my ’86 Jetta 1.8 litre and the car handled beautifully.
The deal breaker was the total lack of headroom. I am not particularly tall but my head was stuck to the headliner. I also told myself that the reason I was getting rid of my Jetta was the fact it was a reliability nightmare and was about to go out of warranty.
So I bought a Honda Accord LX four door five speed, which gave me (and several family members) stellar service. It only expired last year!
I was tempted by the 1978 Scirocco, but I too found my head buried in the headliner. So, for a thousand bucks less, same mechanicals and suspension, and tons of headroom, I bought a ’78 Rabbit which I drove for the next 16 years.
For a brief period in the 80s I was a VW guy. When I was ready for my first new car in 1985, I wound up at the VW showroon. I think that 1985 was another bad year for new cars, kind of like 1961. But anyway, I was drawn in by the GTI. While I really liked the Scirocco, it seemed like the GTI was where all of the action was. Also, I seem to recall that the Scirocco cost another couple thousand dollars. Maybe that was a side effect of importing from Germany in the mid 80s. I do know that my loaded GTI stickered right at $12K. I just recall that the Scirocco never really made the final cut, but do not specifically recall why.
Like you, the 2nd Gen lacked the magic of the 1st. Ditto the GTI. I missed the original Rabbit version by a year. The Gen 2 of both cars seemed cleaner and more modern at the time, but both lacked a certain crispness of line that was in the originals.
I cannot tell you the last time I saw a Scirocco. Even when new, the Mk II was never common, although Golfs and particularly Jettas sold pretty well. In truth, I rarely see any Golfs or Jettas of that period either. Funny, but I don’t remember the bowler hood ornament on the cars I saw. Dealer option maybe?
The bowling trophy and flames was part of the Oregon-only, “Roll a fattie and get real” dealer-installed decor program. They also ripped out the inner door panels for that earthy feel.
Well, I suspect that the missing door panels have to do with the need to often get inside and finagle the window regulator and/or the door latch mechanism, if my experiences with my 1981 Rabbit and 1996 Passat are any indication . . .
I agree the 82 and up just didn’t have it like the earlier version. I owned a white 80 Scirocco S and would have kept it except I had to have the 83 GTI with the extra power!
Interesting photo of the interior with the driver seat leaned back like that…mine looked exactly the same…that was the only way to fit! Two of my friends had them too and their seats were adjusted the same way. You felt very comfortable driving it but it sure looked weird.
I remember a VW 411 having seats that you could tilt the entire seat back and forth but there was no independent backrest adjustment. I’ll bet that’s what happened with these.
Oddly the 2nd gen Scirocco looks even more like the Isuzu Piazza/Impulse that was derived from the same Giugiaro show car as the first gen. I almost bought an 82 Scirocco in 89 as a replacement for my rusted out 78 Scirocco but I ended up with an 81 (last of the old shape) with a 16V engine conversion (thereby hangs a tale). The 82’s interior was a little out of sorts but not as bad as this beastie.
As an aside you can identify 82-83 second gen cars by the single wiper and body color B pillars. The 84-87 cars reverted to twin wipers and had blacked out B pillars.
Actually without the bumpers it looks prettier and cooler. And not that the Porsche 928 was a pinnacle of German design either but I can definitely see some 928 influence there.
I’ve always had a soft spot for this model. Most likely by association: my favourite primary school teacher, Miss Litchfield hooned around in a (then – 1985) brand new 1.8 in bright red. I swear I remember her handbrake turning it into her space in the faculty car park one morning… even if that’s an exaggeration of memory (which it must be) she was that kind of primary school teacher. She unconventionally team taught the science/maths half of our class for a year with an equally cool young arts/english teacher called Miss Austwick (who drove an older metallic blue Rover 3500, similarly enthusiastically) and my 8 year old self was besotted with them both (along with the rest of the class).
Even allowing for my associative bias toward the MkII though, I think you’re a little hard on the design there Paul. It is a product of its era, in much the same way as the MkI was. Taken as an 80s design in its own right (rather than as the successor to a 70s classic) i think it’s a pretty successful design. Viewed along side contemporary 80s euro designs like Audi’s UrQuattro or Ford’s (then) groundbreaking Sierra the Scirocco MkII’s softened angularity, and focus on visibility make much more sense.
There are a handful of these still knocking about Edinburgh and looking far better cared for than this sad specimen. It may not carry the MkI’s status, or aesthetic grace, but there are some of us for whom this will always be the Scirocco.
A Rover 3500! There’s a car that deserves a long appreciative article on CC!
Yes. Now help me find one!
There is a sweet 1982 (original paint) VW Scirocco for sale in Texas. In the last 2 years it has had close to $5,000 in mechanical and body work done on it. It runs good… no AC… radio works… excellent gas milage. Lots of interior room! Used as crew/equipment carrier for small film company. (It’s a star! …has made appearances in several short films.)
Owner loves driving it but can’t take it along for move to another state. Best offer. (Call 830-875-0016)
There used to be several Rovers (and Sterlings) parked on a busy street in Palo Alto. I have an appointment nearby on Monday … if they’re still there I’ll take a few shots.
They took an elegant swan and turned it into a crude wooden bath toy. It looks like at least two different cars welded together in a last desperate all-nighter before the design homework was due!
Shame on Paul for posting photos of the most vile and ugly Scirocco ever driven. Immaculate versions exist. Even one in between that is actually driven to work needs to be featured.
That 8v has plenty of torque if actually have something in the back seat. The miserly headroom is due to the sunroof using 2 inches of space, This could be why Scirocco seats tilt way down.
A blast to drive not necessarily trying to beat a ridiculously overpowered 20xx car off the line. Adding the lower crossbrace on the 8v a must. Larger throttle body from a 1991 Cabriolet a relatively easy power boost (need to dremel the intake a bit).
My 1987 anyways did not miraculously avoid accidents, What is funny is that because so few Sciroccos are on the road in the Midwest, people will say ‘”nice Scirocco” even with the banged up door & quarter panel from being T-boned in a parking lot, and the unfinished paint repairs. Note the car took a 10 mph T-bone without so much as a broken window or a jammed door.
Here is a nice one (albeit a later 16v) I shot a couple weeks ago and uploaded to the Cohort. Not sure how much of it is original (clear corners, color matched bumper, side skirts). As with the MKII GTi and GLi, I think these benefited from their mid-cycle refresh.
What is that blue and pink thing with no trim?? ~If that was parked at the side of the road in the UK it would be towed away for scrap – for one thing its illegal here for not having bumpers (fenders).
I’ve got an ’86 1.8 GTX with loads of spares and thought I would get nothing for it.
Are you serious with those photos or have I got it all wrong.
Mk2 is nearly a classic now, based on the Mk1 Golf – also a classic.
Sorry – no offence.
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When it comes to vehicle laws the United States is better than the United Kingdom because we are the land of the free (from emissions testing depending where you live) and home of the brave (enough to drive death traps).
In the UK Mk1 & 2 ‘Roccos are quite rare but really wanted by enthusiasts. There is a great following for them (in good condition). There is a site (may I say it, moderators?
SciroccoReg??te?)
Hope that helps with the(‘orrible wreck)
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Porshe 928??????????????????????
Here’s why MKII is still a great vehicle. Purchased this one July 83 and still drive it every day.
I would love to have your Scirroco ! Brings back many good memories.
@Joe, Nice ‘Rocco. I have a ’93 GTII in the UK and love it! IMO it is better looking than the Mk1 (the front has shades of Audi quattro) and it is much more driveable on a daily-use basis. The wreck in the article pics is NOT representative at all of Mk2’s!
From a styling perspective, not as original or classic, as the Mk1. This one is significantly more homogenous IMO.
I was behind a very faded but very straight red 1st Gen “Rocco” Tuesday night driving home. Just beautiful and obviously daily driven!
What are enthusiasts’ opinions of the Mk2 over in Europe? A huge problem for the US model–more than the bumpers–are those awful headlights. They made the car look dated from day one. One the Mk2 Golf–which was far sleeker–arrived in the US, it was game over for the Mk2 Scirroco.
I’m only 5’7″ and I also found the roof to be very close to my head. I fit in the car perfectly, but any person a few inches taller might find their butt closer to the floor than they’d prefer.
The only other impression I got from the car, aside from awful reliability, was that of excellent handling, a good ride, and a startlingly light, vague shifter.
That being said, I’d be glad to own one.
those us-headlights are actually highly appreciated and sought after in germany. in my opinion they help that overall awkward front end. a little. still too much wrong with that.
I’d love to own a mk 1 golf, but would accept the mk 2 ‘rocco as a cheap substitute, since these share more with each other than with a mk 2 golf – and that is still a common view over here.
but the number of people giving actual love to a scirocco as it is, instead of caressing that testarossa-sided abomination they created during their wild youth in 80s-90s, is growing steadily.
speaking of abomination: DAT BUMPERS! (yes, the stock-us-ones) and i’ve seen some BAD usdm-bumpers.
here’s some more eyesore.
Oh man, I was a little young when these cars came out, so I’ve only been able to enjoy the 80’s euro body-kit craze with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. What were they thinking! Some of those old Mercedes were the worst offenders.
Oddly enough there was a silver Mk II in front of me in traffic yesterday morning. Its funny as I admired it from behind. My first thought was hadn’t seen that in years and then I kept thinking how tiny it looked next to all the current cars. Didn’t remember it being so small just really long and narrow body. Loved the original not a fan of the mk II I was a GTI guy.
According to New York law a 1990 and new model year vehicle has to have a rear bumper. I found that out when I my 95 MY vehicle needed a new bumper. Also, those red lights upfront would be a cop magnet in New York City, maybe the whole state because they are harsh on “cop impersonators” The red light and blue light laws differ by state.
I like these VWs, but you hardly ever see them. I like all the Eugene vehicles in these photos and I do not know if I have even seen a 200-Series Volvo with that muffler set up.
“the mid-late eighties were the glory years for the Prelude, Celica and the other Japanese coupes, not to mention the Miata. The tide had shifted, and the Scirocco reflected the general malaise that engulfed VW in the US for all too-long.”
That’s it in a nutshell. Toyota et. al. didn’t just conquer Detroit, they also deeply wounded VW. The Scirocco was fairly pointless when there Preludes and Celicas that were superior in just about every way.
Completely agree. I didn’t even bother looking at the Scirocco when I got my Prelude in 1988. My only other serious contender was the Celica. Had I been shopping in 1989 I would have added the Nissan 240SX to the list.
It’s worth noting that the MK2 Scirocco was still based on the MK1’s platform. MK2 mechanicals didn’t make it to the coupe until the Corrado arrived. While I loved the styling of the MK1 Scirocco, these MK2s look quite lovely compared to the abomination that wears the Scirocco badge today. It seems that the more ‘self-confident’ the Germans get, the worse they style their cars.
The second generation Scirocco looks completely derivative, boring and a complete disappointment.
There isn’t a single original line anywhere to be found. Utterly generic.
I’ve can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Mark I. I do see the stray Mark II (in SE Michigan).
Also, did VW really sell more Mk 1 Sciroccos in the US than Mk II? I don’t think so, got data.
That said, I agree that the Mk 1 was a great looking car and (based on my experience with Mk 1 Rabbits and GTIs) more of a blast to drive the the Mk 2 Scirocco (really an ugly Mk 1 with a couple hundred pounds extra mass to match it’s pudgy looks). I just find it amusing how writers will exaggerate, or perhaps play on people’s ignorance, to make a point.
The 2nd GEN Honda Prelude (not the 1st Gen slow, ugly “Qualude”) was the succesor to the 1.6 liter, mid-late 70s Mk1 in the US, a little bigger, but still light–and still with manual steering. The Celica was a bigger car, less sport–unless you went for the original Celica Supra, which was in a different class with it’s big in-line six (and a great car). The Corrado predates the Miata, so there was never a Miata-Scirocco duel–unless you were considering used Sciroccos. Why?
Good article, and good theme–just a lil overdone, IMO.
I thought the 1982 Scirocco lasted to 1989 in the US– the Miata’s debut year.
But who would have cross-shopped the two?
The Isuzu Piazza looked good. Still not as good as Mk I, but what Mk II could have been. Also, why buy a Mk II Scirocco when an 8-valve Mk I Golf/Rabbit, or Mk II Golf/Rabbit was more fun to drive and so much cheaper to buy…
That was really the problem with these in Europe too — in a lot of markets, the Golf GTI offered as good an engine and chassis (if not better in certain respects) and could serve as a reasonable family car for a lot less money.
There is another gen1 vs gen2 worth of a comparison: Ford Probe. Did history repeat itself?http://smosh.wikia.com/wiki/File:800px-Ford_Probe_front_20071119.jpg
http://smosh.wikia.com/wiki/File:800px-Ford_Probe_front_20071119.jpg
Oh c’mon, what’s not to like about the poor man’s gullwing deprived Delorean?
That’s what myself and so many others liken the styling to these to.
That is the ugliest gen2 Scirocco I’ve ever seen. But I do like these cars a lot, especially the facelifted mid-’80s versions.
Haven’t seen one on years though. So I’ll probably see one tomorrow 🙂
Here are some still competing in SCCA at the Runoffs !
Good pic of a pair together 😀
Mike Ogren puts out a great book as well as does wonderful engineering for VW’s of all ages ! http://fwdracingguide.com/fwd_guide.html
Scirocco to buy
http://www.pchlitarg.info.pl/427,volkswagen-scirocco-mk-ii-1985-r
Trying to understand the additional functions on the shifter.
The featured car is not the ideal choice to represent the model.
It’s quite hideous.
I mean, red rims? What kind of a person would do that? 😁
I prefer the Mk I….Here’s my 81, Scirocco S…the last year for the timeless Giugiaro model
The sleek front end and taillights are attractive, the greenhouse is just so generic, it reminds me more of a late 70s Celica. The Corrodo was much more stylistically on point with the original Mark I, making the Mark II the awkward middle child
Would love to see Giugiaro’s rejected design for the Mk2. Has anyone come across it?
VW may have rejected Giugiaro’s proposal for the second generation Scirocco, but they sure took notes and essentially scaled up the silhouette and greenhouse for the template to Audi’s 1981 Coupe/Quattro. The resemblance is uncanny:
Giugiaro submitted the Asso di Picche to Audi in 1973…
Not one mention for the stylish and rare Topaz coupe, or the beloved Volvo beside it.
i never thot the mid 70’s was a low point in car design. it was in engine performance for americans… but there were some fantastic bold designs in the 70’s. and back then cars could be differentiated to suit whatever your personality. many cool colors too. today everything looks the same and cars lack color. boring today except for only a handful. but i will say today gas engine performance is incredible. we are today experiencing a muscle car boom better than it ever was in the 60’s – engine wise.
I’d love to see Giugiaro’s proposal for the Mk2. Has anyone come across it?
I had heard that his rejected proposal was sold to Isuzu for the original Impulse.
That may or may not be true, but that Impulse was so good looking its a shame it didn’t have sporty VW mechanicals under the body.
To be blunt, Golfs and Corrados looked tall, narrow and dorky to me.
The Mk2 Scirocco was low, wide, and sleek. The 16V version looked awesome. All that glass and those polished rims. The little red emblem on the grille. It looked to me somewhat like a DeLorean without the cheesy doors and crap engine.
Having never driven one, I might not even like it. But whatever fantasy I have built up about it’s awesomeness will probably stay with me forever.