(first posted 3/2/2017) There was once a time when nearly every car sold in the U.S. was sold by an American automaker, designed specifically for the U.S. market, and built on American soil. Imports were virtually nonexistent in the marketplace and the Big Three didn’t give two hoots about trying to compete with cars from other continents or even attempt at offering something different than what they had for decades. But by the 1980s, it was clear that these isolationist ways could not continue. It was truly an age of globalization, and as one of the basic principals of economics goes, “trade can make everyone better off”.
You had Japanese and German automakers such as Honda and Volkswagen now building cars for the American market in America. American automakers like Ford were selling cars of their European divisions in America to compete against ‘European’ European cars (i.e. Merkur), while GM and Chrysler were partnering with Italian companies to build pricey 2-seat roadsters. And then you had Sterling.
Underneath the skin, it was essentially a Honda/Acura Legend, though the Sterling 825/827 (itself a rebadged Rover 800 Series) was assembled in the U.K. by Austin-Rover, gaining unique sheetmetal and interiors in the process, and sold exclusively in the U.S. and Canada under the Sterling marque, a newly-created brand meant to avoid association with Austin-Rover and its negative reputation in North America. Sound complicated yet?
How a “British Honda” sold in the U.S. market came to be was a result of the existing partnership between British Leyland (Austin-Rover’s predecessor) and Honda, which dated back to 1978 and the development of the Honda Ballade/Triumph Acclaim. The Legend/800 Series would be the second fruit of their labor, with development beginning in 1981.
Honda was responsible for the majority of the car’s actual engineering, while Rover’s contribution primarily went towards the design and manufacturing of its own variant, greatly personalizing the Honda to its own, more “proper” liking. That’s not to say that Rover took the Detroit route, and merely applied extra chrome, a vinyl roof, and loose-pillow seating to the tastefully understated Legend. In fact, the chaps at Austin-Rover put forth considerable effort, changing basically everything the eyes laid sight on, with unique sheetmetal and interiors that if anything, were a bit more stimulating than the more muted Honda/Acura.
On the outside, designers gave the Rover/Sterling 800 Series a very stylish set of clothes, something aided by Rover’s talented new design team. Virtually all (if not entirely all) sheetmetal was unique, owing to a very separate appearance between the two. Everything from the greenhouse, to the wheel arches, to the shape and height of the trunk (or “boot”, I should say) was unique between the two. The 800’s only obvious relation to the Legend was its exterior door handles.
In terms of design, the 800 displayed very angular sheetmetal, characterized primarily by straight, aggressive body lines, sharp angles, and numerous trapezoidal shapes. The trapezoidal profile view of the greenhouse and taillights, in particular, helped the Rover/Sterling stand out, even in a world full of other wedge-shaped designs. The low hood bonnet, sharp character line, and flared, round wheel arches gave the car some added aggressiveness.
The front of the car was the only area which the 800 bore any resemblance to its predecessor, the SD1, with a similar grille treatment and headlights (obviously excluding turn signals). This was hardly a bad thing, as the “bottom breather” look was still very in vogue, and it helped give the car a more contemporary, less stuffy look than if designers had given it a more traditional grille.
Around back, a low, flat boot with integrated spoiler and ribbed taillights completed the Rover/Sterling’s exterior makeover. A sexy, 5-door liftback arrived as a 1989 model, while a rather staid-looking 2-door coupe came two years later, though the latter would never be available under the Sterling name in North America.
Inside, similarities between the 800 Series and Legend were even scarcer, with the Rover/Sterling cars gaining a very differentiated interior. Whereas the Honda/Acura’s interior could best be described as “smart-premium”, emphasizing efficient operation with minimalist design and premium finishes, its British cousin’s interior was far more posh and proper, “British in tone, style, and tradition”, as the brochure stated.
Much like the exterior, the interiors of the 800 Series and Legend shared little, if any, common parts. Everything from dashboards to door panels to seats to controls and switchgear were exclusive to each company’s car. Reflecting its exterior, the interior of the 800 was a visually interesting design, blending ’80s space age language with classic touches such as rich, genuine wood accents and plush leather seats.
Regardless of right-hand or left-hand drive, drivers were faced with a cockpit-like instrument cluster, with the gauge cluster flanked by two prominent pods containing air vents and climate controls. The center stack, which boasted a floating appearance, contained radio controls as well as the available 18-function on-board computer with an advanced-looking LCD display diagram of the vehicle. Rather unfortunately, Austin-Rover elected to have Britain’s own rather notoriously unreliable Lucas Electronics handle most of the electronics in the 800 Series, owing to far more frequent electrical issues than the Legend.
Whether upholstered in rich velour cloth or supple Connolly leather, the 800 Series’ seats offered comfort and support, with thick side bolstering and generous thigh support for front passengers. Available 8-way power seat controls were located in the center console between the front seats. Rear passengers were also treated to a high level of luxury, with contoured seating, abundant legroom, and a fold-down center armrest.
It’s safe to say that visually, Rover and Honda very effectively differentiated their respective versions of the same car from one another. Yet, underneath the skin, the basic structural elements (chassis, floor pan, internal unibody, etc.) and most mechanics (engine, transmission, suspension system) were shared between the Legend (above) and 800 Series.
Sterlings (and Rovers, for that matter) used the same double-wishbone suspension setup in the front and rear as the Legend, although the British cars did feature stiffer springs and firmer dampers for a slightly sportier feel. Oddly enough, Sterlings came fitted with narrower 195/65-15 tires than their Acura cousin, which featured 205/60-15 tires as standard.
Over in Europe, the Rover-badged 800 Series was available in a wider range of engines and trims, including several powered by Rover’s own 2.0L inline-4. In the North America, however, the Sterling range was far simpler, with only one engine offered at a time. 1987-1988 Sterling 825 models featured Honda’s 24-valve SOHC 2.5L V6, producing 151 horsepower and 157 lb-ft torque. 1989 and on Sterlings received Honda’s 2.7L V6 (one year after if appeared in the Legend), making 161 horsepower and 162 lb-ft torque, and resulting in the car’s name being changed to “827”.
Representing a clean start for the troubled British automaker in the U.S., Sterling certainly brought with it significant hope, with many positive virtues. Honda engineering and quality with traditional British style and luxury — what could go wrong there? Well… unfortunately for the Sterling, just about every cliché issue notoriously associated with British cars of that era reigned true.
Despite the Honda connection, early Sterlings were plagued with poor quality and reliability, with common issues including glitchy electronics, poorly-assembled interior components, spotty paint finish, and the tendency to rust very prematurely — all things that were Austin-Rover exclusive and sadly only reinforced stereotypes and reservations about British cars.
Although its fairness in evaluation is debatable, J.D. Power reigns supreme in the minds of most consumers, and the 1987 Sterling 825 placed near the bottom of J.D. Power’s initial quality study (contrary to the Acura Legend’s placement near the very top), largely cementing its reputation and sales potential in the U.S. market.
Introduced as a 1987, and selling 14,171 units, first year sales were nothing incredible (compared to the Acura Legend’s 1986 introductory year of 25,062 units and second year sales of 54,713), and it was soon apparent that the damage was done. Second year sales plummeted to just 8,901, and kept falling, despite incredible incentives in the neighborhood of $5,000 off MSRP, until Austin-Rover’s permanent withdrawal from the North American market in late-1991.
By then no longer based on the current Honda/Acura Legend (as a larger, second generation arrived as a 1991 model), the Sterling 827 quietly disappeared, leaving behind few memories of Austin-Rover’s final crack at the North American market. More successful in Europe, the Rover 800 continued with a major facelift and consistent updates until 1999. Needless to say, after all these years, Sterling 825/827s are about as common as someone ordering Earl Grey tea at a Sake bar, making this example photographed by Colin a true gem.
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I worked on a bunch of these cars in the early 90’s….. I remember the first time I went to open the hood on one, and it took me about 10 minutes to find the hood release!!! It is located on the right lower kick panel ( remember, originally a RHD vehicle)…… I had one that I had to replace drive axles in it no less than 5 times in 6 months…… I wouldn’t give one of these to my worst enemy!!!!!
I’d assume the Legend had the hood release correctly located for LHD, but then again Honda (and Toyota) both built CUVs for over a decade and several design cycles whose rear cargo doors swung the wrong way for curbside loading in LHD.
The hood release was relocated for the ’89 827 models. The positioning of the hood release on US 825 is open to debate whether it was for cost saving or oversight, but the attempt at snobbiness/ cachet response at the dealer was “our technicians are aware of the location, why would YOU need to raise the bonnet (hood)?”
This has been covered before, but in the UK it is common for the release to be on the passenger side. Clearly, a lot of half-assery went into this car, but the hood release position may simply have been an assumption that it didn’t matter, as nobody cries about it over here.
Our impression is that the bonnet release is often on the driver’s side in the home market.
Best answer ever was the original Ford Focus having a key lock under the grille badge – simple, secure, un-handed and safer.
The bad side is that if you have bad luck, some chav will rip the Ford badge just because…
First-gen MINIs had the hood release on the right despite being BMW-engineered. Would that have been deliberate, to show just how fantastically British it was?
These certainly had a poor rep quite soon after being launched, to such an extent that they weren’t really taken seriously. They were seen as a choice for non-savvy buyers who bought on badge and plush interiors. Didn’t Alan Partridge have one, before his Lexus?
I think the design has aged really rather well. For a big car, it’s crisp and nicely proportioned.
Squinting a bit, I see the taillights of the 800 as a wraparound version of the SD1’s design.
As I commented, a Rover 25 diesel passed me. At least the last Rovers (25, 45, 75) are still chugging around. I am still with hopes to see a 25 article (perhaps by Roger)…
About the 800, once I read “Leave it to the British to screw up a Honda that way.”
BTW, when I saw the pun in the title, I pretty much deducted it was written by you, Brendan! A great, well written article, congratulations!
Funny, the only one of these I’ve seen in person – ever – (around 2009) was also missing the same front parking light/turn signal lenses. Seems like an odd coincidence until you realize that that’s exactly the kind of component that probably isn’t even manufactured anymore and is near impossible to replace due to the sheer rarity and brief production run. I remember that day and exactly where it was parked – I was so confused because it looked like a regular old Honda/Acura from down the block but something was “off” about it. I was sure I could recognize every model of car on the road from the 1980s onward by then, I mean… even Merkurs are common compared to these! But when I walked up to get a closer look I was perplex when I spotted the “Sterling” badge on the trunk lid. Truly an eccentric unicorn of a vehicle.
Owning one of these in 2017 must be nothing short of a nightmare when a lot of basic body/interior components are probably non-existent at Autozone, no dealerships exist, and these aren’t exactly sitting in every junkyard across the US. Especially considering the fact that this was a North America only car (compared to say, an old Peugeot, where you could theoretically have plentiful replacement parts shipped from overseas). This example, like the one I saw, doesn’t really look to driven by an enthusiast either. Quite an ambitious choice of beater versus the usual Camcord!
What a piece of junk! British union “Craftmanship” at its worst!
I was 17 when I heard of sterling. It was immediately obvious it was a Honda car. Later I learned it was built in england and remember well thinking ‘does Honda think this is a good idea’? I only ever saw one once and made a point to see it. I liked the interior better than the legend. But that was it.
It was a good idea for Honda, because Legends were built in Cowley, too. Like Toyota learned out of NUMMI, it proved Hondas could be built in the UK just as well as in Japan. Guess who’s still there today?
EDIT: Most Legends were manufactured in Japan. Only a few that barely passed QC were manufactured in the UK.
I owned a bright red Sterling 827 Si. I loved the car and put a lot of miles on it before trading it in for a very staid Toyota Avalon. Mechanically I never had a single issue. The outside plastic door handle broke twice, but replacement was inexpensive and easy. Also, the rear spoiler was too heavy for the deck lid, so the deck lid would sometimes need to be held open while loading and unloading. Driving the car was incredibly fun. I could take tight curves at high speed and the car hugged the road with almost no body lean. I traded the car in only because parts began to get scarce and I knew that if something eventually happened and repairs were needed, then I could have ended up with a giant lawn ornament.
You mean to tell/show us that there is one Sterling still starting, running and driveable??
Only the British, with the ghost of Lucas “The Prince of Darkness” electronics hovering around, could take a proven Japanese car and make it unreliable.
Last year, I saw a Sterling in excellent condition being driven on the highway by an older lady. The car was black, paint was in excellent condition, and the car wasn’t missing any pieces. I can only presume it was a low-mileage original-owner car… I’ve never seen it before or since.
Hey Eric703,
You’re based in northern VA, correct?
If you are, I believe I know that exact same car you just mentioned in your comments above. Did the VA license plate start with the letter Z? If that’s the car which I think it is, then I definitely know what car you’re talking about.
That Sterling is a 1989. I know, because I actually spoke with the owner, an older lady, a year and a half ago in Alexandria, where I reside. I got to talking with her about the car. She bought it when it was 2 years old, and her biggest pain about owning the Sterling was trying to find parts. Her hood had to be replaced around 2008, and she mentioned that she managed to find the last one available in North America.
I then made her an offer on the car. She said she had no intention of selling it.
Yes, that’s correct, and I’m sure that’s the same car! I didn’t get a picture of the Sterling because I sighted it driving on I-66 in heavy traffic — and I just couldn’t angle myself to get a picture (and drive at the same time). And I was too busy gawking at it to remember the tag number.
But your description sounds exactly like the car I saw. Great to hear the story behind it. I wish her a lot of luck in keeping her Sterling running — I hope to see it again someday.
Hi PJ:
I have a 1989 Sterling 825S in great shape and running. Zero rust tan color body with tan leather interior with no rips on the leather. If you are interested in purchasing a Sterling with low mileage and in beautiful shape, please let me know and I will send you pics. I am the original owner.
Thank you,
Sidney
Having Lucas do the electronics is like hiring your drunken Uncle Fred to wallpaper your house. You just know that is not going to turn out well.
Not fair to Lucas actually. The reason Lucas has a bad rap is that Leyland and the various car makes used the cheapest electronics Lucas offered. The Concorde jet plane use Lucas electrics and the safest plane in the sky. Its kinda like blaming the Chinese co that made poison paint toy trains when the american importer requested the cheapest paint – the Chinese co said they offered safe paint.
Aerospace and consumer divisions of the same corporations exist everywhere. Having worked for one, Rockwell, the name may be the same, but engineering and manufacturing are not shared in the least. Honeywell makes airliner avionics and junk Fram oil filters for example.
Had a 1989 SLI manual from 2008 to 2016. When the master cylinder failed, it doomed the car. One of the Rover-only parts that became unobtainium despite Rover making a huge number of these cars.
Not that it really matters now, but appears this place (provided by jerseyfred) has cylinders and kits at a reasonable price. https://www.sterlingfixer.com/sterling-car-parts-search?combine=&field_description_value=master+cylinder
Thought this may be useful info for the cars new owner (if not junked).
The Legend was a perfectly nice near-luxury car (revolutionary, in fact), but I wish Honda had built it to the specs of the Sterling. If only the Sterling had Honda’s reliability….
Acura was well known as a Honda product, with Honda’s quality and reputation behind it.
If you insisted on British luxury, with all it’s virtues and vices, there was Jaguar.
What was the point of a Sterling?
Happy Motoring, Mark
By the mid 80s, the XJ6 was dated and dated looking and had earned its reputation for poor reliability. The Germans were absolutely gouging the US market with pricing. A car with English luxury, up to date styling, Japanese reliability, and realistic pricing would be a slam dunk success if it happened. Thus the Acura Legend and Lexus LS400, although they had bland styling.
IIRC these were a whole price bracket lower than the cheapest Jag.
I actually had to look up if the Rover 800 was even sold here in Australia, which should tell you something about its rarity. We received the 800 and a unique-to-Australia 416i, not a Ballade or Concerto like the UK Rhondas but rather an Integra 5-dr with Rover badges. I think I saw a 416i a decade or so ago, but can’t remember ever seeing an 800. Rover withdrew from the market until the 2000s, when they offered the 800’s replacement, the 75. That car had, I believe, a shorter run here but I see a lot more of them and their MG ZT twin.
I had actually never seen a photo of the pre-facelift 800 interior before. Interesting. I did read a bit about the later models in magazines like CAR… These were still being sold when the Legend was onto its third generation.
William I love the Rover 75s. I don’t think I could ever tire of looking at them.
Very entertaining watching Inspector Barnaby in Midsomer Murders driving his 75 and the many Rovers driven by others on that show.
The 5 door 800 looked a lot like a linear SD1. Very handsome cars themselves. But no 75.
Let me just leave this here
Interesting colour treatment. it visually brings the console to the fore, and makes the rest of the dash disappear into the background.
And it visually detaches the console without making it massive. It was inspired by either the P4 or P5. A timeless interior design.
That is a gorgeous interior. Love the white faced gages.
I really like them too. They are way more successful at creating an Art Deco vibe than Chrysler’s attempt. Too bad they don’t light up in the same creamish hue the faces have
Cluster lighting. Still better than the irritating blue in the MG version
We got the 800, in both sedan and hatch. A nice car in a lot of ways, but not good enough for the price.
Rover had a habit of thinking it competed with Mercedes-Benz when it really was up against stuff like Mazda 929 or Toyota Cressida. And it certainly didn’t compete on terms of quality with any of them.
I seem to remember the interiors, in particular, disintegrated in record time in our climate….
To give an indication of the Sterling’s poor sales, sometime around 1989-90, Sterling dealers ran a promotion where they’d give $50 just for showing up and test driving one. I remember this because my father received the promotion in the mail, so we took advantage of it, and test drove an 825.
I remember 3 things about the test drive. 1) The salesman was unenthusiastic and annoyed about the $50 promotion offer. 2) The interior was really beautiful. 3) That beautiful, new interior had pieces of trim falling off.
It’s really too bad this car didn’t work out. The marriage of Japanese engineering and British style seemed like a great idea — in theory, anyway. I’ve always been curious though, since the Rover 800-series seemed to be relatively popular in Europe, I wonder if they suffered the same reliability problems as the US-market Sterlings?
Working in that exact line of work, I can tell you that I would be very annoyed to haha. I usually don’t mind giving information and going out on a test drive with someone clearly not a prospective buyer if it’s a slow day, however when it’s busy and there’s a lot of showroom traffic, many whom are prospective buyers, there’s nothing more annoying than people who “just want to test drive” because they’ve never driven one before and are curious. 99 times out of 100, those people will never be back, and are just taking up my valuable time I could be helping someone who is seriously interested.
I want to also say that I mean no disrespect to you, Eric, or anyone else. I just needed to rant about that, as it’s one of my pet peeves 🙂
Brendan, I totally get that… I’m in the insurance industry, and if I had a dollar for every time I wanted to tell an agent, “I don’t need quoting practice”, I’d have a surplus of weekend money.
Great piece, BTW. I had neighbors down the street on my paper route in Flint who owned one new in the late ’80s. Actually, I think *they* might have been in their 80’s. Needless to say, I’m pretty sure that was the only one I saw in the wild in Flint. I don’t even know where they would have bought it! Probably in Detroit.
On that note, what *is* a good time to come in for a test drive on a “yours is the first car I’m driving and I’m weeks if not months from buying” basis?
Here is a site for someone who services and restores them:
https://www.sterlingfixer.com/
I read that for the first few years, 800s sold in Japan were made in Japan on the same line as Legends. To save cost they used a lot of Honda components like wheels and most likely electronics, making them the most reliable 800s ever built.
You read wrong. Only built in the UK.
Honda Legends for Europe were built in Cowley though
Only a small amount.
Also, Colin: excellent pics!
+1
+1 again
I remember when these were announced, and I was sure that this would be a smash hit. The marriage of Japanese engineering and reliability mated to the British concept of old-money luxury would have been perfect. I was really surprised when I started to hear reports that these were troublesome cars. Really, how do you screw up a Honda?
“Really, how do you screw up a Honda?”
Easy: the British are outstanding planners, but poor at executing just about anything. Perhaps that’s not really true, but from my limited perspective, it sure seems so.
You are perfectly right. The Brits would go a long way towards correcting this if they didn’t insist on doing everything as cheaply as possible – that is, unless they can get someone else to pay for it.
Interesting. I had the exact opposite response. Rover’s rep was so abysmal in the US, I just couldn’t see them overcoming it. And then there were the dealers….
But then I was also highly negative at about the same time when the first Saturn came out.
And there were certain similarities between the two. New names; new tech, same old folks behind the products.
Although I admit that Saturn’s problems were different than the Sterling’s.
Had they actually tried in the reliability department, I’d have been game; that styling looks sharp.
In August of 1988, my grandfather passed away, and when we went out to Pasadena, CA for his funeral, my father rented a red Sterling (I believe 825) from Hertz. It was quite apropos because my Grandfather was also an American Brit, born and raised in London and moved to Los Angeles at age 25 to eventually become an American citizen.
I really loved that car, it was quite attractive and comfortable and fun to ride in. Dad quite liked it too. I asked Dad if he would like it better than his car at the time, which was a maroon 1986 Mercedes 260E, and while his answer was no, he said in its own way, it was a near competitor to the Mercedes. More striking looking on the outside, more luxurious on the inside, and quicker handling and reflexes as well. The fit and finish were a touch suspect if I remember correctly, and dad commented about British cars, and one suspecting that it might end up rather badly. And of course Dad was all about the solidity and sure-footedness of the Mercedes.
By 1990, when I spent the summer living and working in London, Sterling in the US was pretty much already over, but I fell in love (car wise) with a few Rover 827Si Hatchbacks that I would see around on the streets. I don’t know if I imagined it, or if they were available with a 5-speed, but a 5-speed Rover 827Si Hatchback, visual successor to the Rover SD1 became a top car dream of mine for a while!
That really tells you something of how poor Sterling sales were if they were already putting out to fleets that early on. But I’m glad it was an enjoyable rental experience. It’s nice to be able to rent cars that are actually reasonably nice, instead of your typical stripper compact or midsize American sedan.
I recently rented through Turo (which Will Stopford has shared his experience on before; essentially airbnb for cars) out in LA last month, and went with an Audi TT. Working for BMW, I rarely get to drive Audis, and it was definitely a worthwhile experience. I still don’t think I could become an Audi guy though 🙂
Manufacturers of the “Boo-kay!” mobile?
http://pics.imcdb.org/0is161/rover216014zr.5965.jpg
But just what should you drive when you don’t have room for a swimming pool, a pony, and a Mercedes?
LOL Yes!! Richaaard! The door! 🙂
30 plus years later…an Onslow-mobile!
Fake 5-lug wheels? Sheesh…
I actually don’t mind the coupe – almost looks like a Volvo 780 had they decided to keep making it long enough to get the 960’s 1995 refresh.
Wow – you stumbled upon a real unicorn of a car!
I have seen exactly ONE of these in person, and it was near the dealership where they were sold in suburban St. Louis county near where I worked at the time.
They looked like a very stretched and streamlined Camry with that greenhouse!
Unfortunately, they were junk like every other British car, at least at that time. High-priced junk at that.
I hope that statement is no longer true.
There was a Sterling dealership in Bergen County, NJ back in the day not far from the Jaguar dealership that serviced my mother’s succession of late ’80’s Jags. I can recall my father being confused about why Sterling existed and who was going to buy them. The sentiment was essentially, “Why would anyone buy a British car that looks like a Toyota? If you’re going to deal with all of the frustration and expense of keeping one running, it at least ought to be pretty.”
I guess he wasn’t alone in his thinking, as there were of course a whole hell of a lot more XJ-6’s to be seen at the time than Sterling 827’s, and let’s face it, 80’s Jaguars were no bargain from a reliability standpoint.
I have always liked the Sterling. It was an attractive car. I especially liked the hatch version. The school I went to had a vo-tech class that fixed up donated cars to give to needy families in the area and they had a white Sterling 827 hatch with a tan leather interior. It was very attractive looking.
I had a couple of friends that drove the sedan version and I found it pleasant to drive. The seats were a bit more comfy then the Legend’s seats (even though those were mighty comfy also)
It’s like this car was part of an isolate-the-variables experiment to see who really is to blame for the decline of the British auto industry.
Engineers? Nope. They had nothing to do with this car, all that was done at Honda.
Assembly-line workers? Exonerated by the fact that Swindon-built Hondas exhibit no such problems.
Suppliers? Guilty as charged. The Prince of Darkness strikes again.
Management/cost cutting? Guilty. I remember one commenter the last time these came up pointing out that the wiring was far lighter-duty than in the Legend.
Great piece Brendan, and I particularly appreciate the headline.
This is a perfect example of an interesting product planning strategy gone horribly awry. On paper, it made a lot of sense to use the underpinnings and powertrain of an outstanding Japanese sedan combined with attractive, crisp European styling and a rather sumptuous English-style interior. A home run concept then ruined by abysmal execution, from build quality to distribution to long-term durability.
I remember my Pop found these intriguing when they first came out, as he liked the styling and interior a lot. Sewell Cadillac in New Orleans also handled Sterling, and I know he drove one (and liked it). However, he wasn’t actively car shopping at the time, so wasn’t actually tempted to purchase one. Good miss! By 1989, when he was back in the market to buy, the lethal damage had been done to the Sterling brand reputation and you could not even give the cars away. Ironically, the Cadillac he did get in 1989 was a horrible lemon, probably as bad as any Sterling.
GN: This was in the time period that I was advising all (who would listen to me) to dump their luxury cars for a Lincoln Town Car.
I’ve always half jokingly said that Cadillac, Sterling, Jaguar, BMW and M-B sold more Town Cars than Lincoln advertising did during this time period.
The Metairie L-M dealer, Marshall Brothers, was thankful for the above.
Interestingly enough, a few months back I went out on a test drive with this older woman casually looking at the Clubman with her adult son (to be honest, they struck me as “mystery shoppers” sent in to evaluate us, though in hindsight I don’t think they were).
On the drive we got on the subject of various cars she had owned over the years and she mentioned she owned a Sterling, which she bought brand-new on a whim in Virginia while on a road trip. She claimed it was her favorite car she’d ever owned and never got so much attention, as no one knew what it was!
A corporate hybrid reminiscent of the Alfa Romeo Arna, a misguided early-80s joint venture between Alfa and Nissan to build a modified Pulsar (Datsun 310) for the European market, combining Japanese engineering and Italian style and driving dynamics.
The end result was Japanese dynamics and Italian engineering. The Arna sold poorly and became a byword for unreliability and rust.
In 1987, I moved from LA to San Jose to start a new tv station for Telemundo. I was driving my 1986 MB 300E. I hired a new General Sales Manager, who ran out and bought a new Jag XJ6 Vanden Plas, the brand new XJ40 version to celebrate his new higher-paying job. And He hired a Local Sales Manager who ran out and bought a new Sterling, to celebrate her new higher-paying job.
Guess who drove them to their respective dealers after work to pick up their shiny new toys on several occasions in the German taxicab? Both of their cars had lovely interiors (especially the Jag), but they had endless minor issues.
I seem to remember you saying the Sterling was even worse than the Jag.
That said, I would take a W124 or even a mint W210 over a Rover 800 any time.
My favorite Rover is the 75. Sure it looked stodgy, but it was really well built (at least the pre-2002 models were) and showed the world that with no cash restrictions they could do one hell of a car. And if you took the 2.0l BMW diesel you were finely served. And the styling actually grew on me.
Look at that IP…good lord, how many push buttons does it require to operate this thing?
I had a business associate who owned a Sterling for a few years, and I got to go to lunch in it three or four times. I loved the concept – an Acura Legend with English wood and leather!- and I enjoyed riding in the car. At first he was very proud of it, and then settled into sort of ‘an Alfa owner’s acceptance’ of its faults, but gradually the electrical annoyances just kept coming and he fell out of love and dumped it for a Mercedes.
I seem to recall one problem with a rear speaker which was on an electrical circuit with something important so when the speaker wire came loose, it caused a less-than-minor problem that took the dealership weeks to trace. Sadly, I don’t recall any details, so perhaps I’m just pounding the Sterling senselessly.
In any case, I was disappointed but not surprised that these failed. All British-built cars we received in the U.S. were pretty much disasters after 1965. I loved the TR-6 until one of my friends bought one. However the design was 30 years behind even in 1970 (lever shocks?), and even the best-hope modern designs like the Jensen Healy were too flawed to succeed.
I’ve never seen one in Canada; are we sure they were imported here?
In the early spring of 1989, I saw one of these cars (except it was black) in the parking lot of a Miami mall. Later on, reading CAR magazine, I realized that I saw a prototype for the second-generation Rover 800 which was released in production form in the fall of 1991. Interestingly enough, the second-gen Rover never was sold in the US, as the company withdrew from the market.
My BIL was parts manager at a Rover Jaguar Franchise when the Rhondas were current, they werent exactly trouble free but they werent anywhere near as bad as the reputation they have in the US, and Honda Legends are far from trouble free too, There are a lot of these older Rhondas still in use here big ones and smaller versions 75s are still about in reasonable numbers NZ new cars having been supplemented with used Japanese imports.
I think if nothing else, the Sterling does provide a valuable lesson. You can have the most bulletproof and reliable design in the entire world, but if it’s built to the lowest standards possible, it too can turn into a hunk of junk. Still, the Sterling could’ve been worse, they could’ve taken the direction that Nissan and Alfa Romeo went for the Arna.
I always found Sterling’s “5-lug-look” center cap on a 4-lug wheel to be rather cheesy … (but as a factory equipped “feature,” it’s unique as far as I know)
That title!
Being the occasionally proud owner of a 1989 827SLi, they weren’t THAT bad! Certainly more reliable than a Jag of the era. Let down by flakey electrics and cheaply made plastic bits.
The US headlight units were a nightmare- the glue used by the supplier to adhere the backing to the lenses was no good from the factory. It dried up and the lense would fall or blow off while driving- same for all 3 sections of each side. I bought so many replacement units that I may have single handedly run the US stock out, including brand new units that came out of the box separated! Eventually I learned that using a high quality epoxy and re-gluing them was a better option, until I found the glass European (German) units on early eBay- much higher quality and durable.
Many of the electrical glitches could be solved with resoldering. Solder iron is a magic wand for these, LOL.
The brochure page for the 827SLi was late 1990. Early versions including my ’89 had sueded pigskin inserts in the seats, deleted the trip computer for a digital clock and cubby hole unit. Since it was the “sporting model” before the decontented Si debuted it had a ground effects package and rear wing as well as “ultra light weight magnesium wheels” to go with the fastback styling. Cargo cover integrated manual sun blinds were also standard.
This was the first car that I ever had that had remote fob for locking/unlocking and thought it was “the future” until the third day of ownership when I pressed the button to unlock and instead, ended up with a hand full of crushed plastic. The only operating Rover/Sterling dealer at that time in my region was about 300 miles away and they would order a replacement after I drove there and put down a deposit of $500, they would call me in a few weeks to return and they would need it for a few days. Before they disappeared, the dealer experience seemed to be a very 80’s “we’re too good to be bothered with you” snobbiness. They had a “secretive” presence through the mid nineties, mainly for warranty repair issues run by apparently 1 (dickhead) person that proudly called himself “President of Sterling Motorcars” in Maryland/ suburban DC.
The “Sterling” brand was not from Austin-Rover, but the brainchild of Braman Motorcars owner, a large South Florida “prestige brand” dealer. He was the instigator and investor in getting Rover back in the US. The mid eighties in Miami was a great time to sell undercover Hondas with a price premium for it’s English pedigree. There was lots of abundant new money that needed laundering… er, “investing” with a cost no object mindset.
The SL was also available with reclining rear seats, so exotic at the time, but in practice it was the seat back shoving you off the lower cushion into an uncomfortable short seated, knees up, ankle banging position on slippery Connolly leather.
There was no “happy climate” for these- cold weather states rusted quickly, warm or dry climate areas wreaked havoc on the various plastics- lenses, dashboards, gloveboxes, exterior trim, buttons… SO much plastic that just broke or warped in normal use.
My “Vita” was totaled in 2002 when a drunk ass clipped the back corner at 10 in the morning as I was pulling into an attorney’s office for a real estate settlement. After weeks of fighting with his insurance company including him denying it and them saying that there was no such car ever made after they kept saying that it was a Saab 5 door, then that it was an illegally imported grey market car and they weren’t responsible, then when I got an attorney involved they totaled it after citing the cost for just the rear hatch glass was greater than the value of the car. I still miss her, and occasionally search for others. The Audi A7 or Tesla Model S are like modern versions of the Vitesse/ SLi, but I’m old and can’t get over the sticker shock.
Here (once again) is “Vita” at Carlisle import car show sometime in the mid nineties…
I always thought that the 827 SLi hatchback was a very fetching car. I’ve only ever seen a couple of these in my entire lifetime.
I’ve never seen a single one in the metal (nor a sedan in fact, which is why I used these Cohort photos). “Fetching” is definitely an appropriate word for this British car haha.
I saw a Sterling last summer in St. Charles IL, I wonder if this is the same car.
I never cared for the name Sterling, I’m really not keen on new names from an existing company, but I guess in the case of Rover’s notoriety I can understand the reasoning. Still, sterling is just not a word I like, it just sounds tacky, which is the opposite of the car. The design is very solid inside and out, and until I remind myself it’s a Legend underneath I’d never in a million years think it’s based on one, it’s got almost all the good traits of the SD1 in a leaner lower package, the 5 door hatch posted above is gorgeous
I’m curious about the electronics, did these use Lucas throughout or did Honda supply ECUs and driveline related wiring, while Lucas did the rest less important stuff?
Subject appears to be a 1989 827 SL- updated amber lights, no passive seatbelts, original slider controls for HVAC and the mark 1 speedo.
Also, the Coupe was designed specifically for the US market, as well as the changes for the ’92 model year updates. By production time, Rover had decided to cut their losses and retreat from the American market. IIRC, the coupe version could even be imported privately to the US with little federalisation as it had already passed the required governmental tests in the US before importation by Rover/ Sterling/ Austin-Rover Group ceased. They clung to many of the affiliated dealers with the promise of the second coming of “MG” as well when “Sterling” earned the reputation of overpriced and unreliable from the early 825 models.
Many Sterling owners went to Lexus, either upgrading to the LS400, or the more reliable ES250 equivalent to the Sterling line. There was a Lexus dealer in Texas that had previously sold Sterling (I think) and they offered owners pay-off value trade if they traded it for a new Lexus when the Sterling brand was discontinued. The picture for the newspaper article was just 100’s of Sterlings in the dealers lot. I remember that picture every time I try to reconcile the rareness of the brand in the US. Also, how Lexus did the introduction of a new brand right.
Hah! The memories, they come popping back like pop rocks in my brain! This is one of the few things that I can nerd out on, sorry, bear with me, but knowledge!
TECHNICALLY (and rarely referenced) “Sterling” was not imported by Rover/ Leyland/ Austin-Rover. It was a compendium of parties including Rover group, and headed by Norman Braman (owner of Braman Motorcars) out of Miami called “ARCoNA”- Austin Rover Cars of North America with a DBA of “Sterling Motors”. IIRC, he got bored/ frustrated with the process of getting dealers to sign up before the 1987 launch and handed it off to a guy named Ray.
When the Sterling brand launched, they had something like 130 dealerships when the plan for the first year was 175 and grow from there. ARCONA agreed to a large purchase for the first year thinking that it would be an instant success with a multimillion dollar introductory ad campaign and the largest ever based out of Florida. They were short in dealers and heavy on inventory at the port when they were unveiled.
Some of the paint problems came from the masking tape adhesive removing the clearcoat when taken off at the dealer for delivery. It was not intended to be left on for as long as it was and left to bake in the sun on curing fresh paint. Something in the back of my mind has them coming through the port of Miami which was strange, coming from the UK, but I can’t verify that with my lacking Google-Fu skills today.
There were rumors that the cars/ dealer network was being used to distribute cocaine and ARCONA was just a cover for drug trafficking/ drug money laundering, but this was after the DeLorean “incident”, so it may have just been “a joke” since Miami was synonymous with drugs, crime, “Miami Vice” and “The Golden Girls” at the time. I remember a joke that it was called “Sterling” since each was equal to a Pound …(of cocaine) and that it was just a fancy wrapper for cocaine, once the coke was gone, the car had no value.
Random memories, LOL.
Great find. I can’t remember when I last saw one in the UK, but I always preferred it to the 75
there was a guy that had a ”autoplex” in ritzy west St Louis county that had Caddy
Jeep,Jaguar,Nissan ,and I think some I can not remember
but I do remember he sold Sterlings
all of a sudden Kaput I heard that he didn’t pay his taxes
whoops
Great article, Brendan – thanks. I read all the way through to make sure you acknowledged the problems. A work colleague got a new Sterling as a wedding anniversary gift from her husband. It was more luxurious than another colleague’s new Legend and I always enjoyed riding in it. But the quality of assembly left a lot to be desired and it was one of the most unreliable cars on the road (I do recall a lot of electrical problems). They lost a great deal of money trading the Sterling in within two years as the brand’s reputation was bad and spreading fast.
I’m guessing initial sales here in SoCal were better than in most places because the auto market is so strong and folks are more willing to try out new models. I saw quite a few on the road when they first came out. But this one bit people in the ass pretty quickly. Too bad as it was a handsome car with good underpinnings. Again, fun read.
I have a co-worker who bought one new and was driving it at least through the late 90’s, possibly later. I’m sure she had it more that 10 years. She said she never had much trouble with it. Shocking to me. I never saw a reliable British car anytime, ever. Even in the late ’90’s, it may have been the only one still running in town. Traded for an Infiniti. Think she’s got a Lexus now.
I have a 89 legend and i love it never had sterling but heard they where headaches 2017 its hard to sell that legend now it only has 180 on it
My delusional dad bought one, brand new, in 1987. He was under the impression that he was getting Honda reliability in a Saville row suit….
Wrong.
Horribly wrong.
Delusionally, beyond horribly wrong….
I always preferred these cars to the concurrent Legend, I feel the exteriors were slightly understyled which let them age much better. I have seen a few in my travels to the junkyard and the interior is a really nice piece of work. Its really a shame the British engineering let this all down.
That said Ive never driven a first generation Legend, but have owned multiple examples of the second generation and wonder what a rover example might have looked like.
I remember a t.v. ad that showed a Sterling racing around roads with James Bond music,
when the car stopped and the window came down ,Patrick McNee appeared (as John Steed) and said,”You were expecting …some else?”
The 800 was a brave attempt by Austin Rover to take on the German and Swedish premium saloons, and partnering with Honda should have enabled a good result. And in many ways the result was good – there are many cases in the comments above of favourable impressions and expectations of the car.
Sadly, Rover were unable to follow through on execution of many of these, largely through quality and reliability issues, not just in North America. A director I worked for 1986-89 had a Rover 820, the four cylinder version of the Sterling, and on the first day he had it he had an almost complete electrical failure driving home in the rain, being left with just hazard warning lights and the radio. Not a great start, and unpredictable, erratic electrical gremlins continued.
The other issue was the branding and the status of the Rover brand. In the UK, this car was really selling against the Ford Granada/Scorpio and Vauxhall Carlton/Opel Rekord rather than the BMW 5 Series, Audi 100 or Mercedes W124. Rover might have been seen as very British, but that is not necessarily the same as truly premium.
But, the car wasn’t truly premium either.
A great find by Colin and another great write-up by Brendan. I remember when these came out and wondered at the time if Honda engineering would be let down by Rover execution. Sadly it didn’t take long to find out.
Seeding rental fleets was part of the introduction strategy. I went to Las Vegas for a week-long conference and trade show where my company was exhibiting. To save money we rented a few cars to serve as a motor pool for the team. One of the marketing guys was a car geek, and somehow arranged to get a Sterling 825 so he could try it out. I think he, myself and one of the people at the rental counter were the only people in Las Vegas who knew what it was. Everyone else was mystified. To be fair, it was so new that I’m not sure the ad campaign had spun up at that point.
We had the car for a week. I never drove it, but I have to say that the interior was very nicely appointed and the car was new enough that no interior bits had fallen off yet. On the other hand, the Prince of Darkness was making his presence known. The car always started, but the peripherals were a different story: one of the rear doors would not unlock, the radio was a hit-or-miss affair, some of the interior lights had minds of their own, etc. One of us suggested it my be possessed, which led to the car being called the “Serling”, after Robert Serling, the host of the “Twilight Zone” TV series.
We really wanted to like the car, but after a week, we knew Sterling was going to fail.
Great article.
For those fans with a few extra minutes, here’s a very in depth article about the history and evolution of the Sterling.
http://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/acura-legend-rover-800-sterling/view-all/
The local Buick-Chevy dealer that got the Sterling franchise in R.I. back in the day knew they had a problem as soon as these cars started to rack up even a little mileage. In fact, these cars would often come in from the factory with many defects that were sometimes hard to fix and fix permanently. Parts availability was a problem even back then when these were new! A good friend of mine worked for said dealership and told me there were always several of these cars sitting in the back lot of the dealership that customers refused to drive because they were so unreliable. There were several lawsuits involved and overall it wasn’t pretty. I can remember brand new ones being advertised with a $10,000 discount in the local paper for the longest time. It took a few years for the dealership to get rid of all the inventory but eventually they did and the franchise was gone soon after.
I had a brand new 827 SL as my first car when I turned 16. Living in Norman, OK, my Scottish uncle came down to the states from Toronto to help select it. One of the biggest dealers in OKC, Bob Moore, had a beautiful showroom with Sterlings and Land Rovers downtown. It was beautiful car and I loved the attention we got as nobody else had one! I drove it for almost 4 years without any problems at all. What a treat it was!
PS I remember having a copy of the magazine ad for Sterling with Jim McMahon (of the Chicago Bears) advertising for it.
I drove a Rover 827 sli from March 1990 to July 1996. The only thing that ever went wrong in that six years was an infrequent false triggering of the thief alarm in the very last couple of months of ownership. It was a very good car – I look back with pleasure on trips down the German autobahn to Frankfurt, at a steady 100 mph.
I remember seeing one on the hit TV series “Dallas” owned my Michelle (April Stevens younger and attractive sister)
The annual Elerslie car show is on shortly mostly for British/European brands, I havent see a live Honda legend in a long time but have seen a Rover 825 on the road, any survivors are likely to be on that show its always interesting to see how many turn up, Theres no real shortage of earlier Rovers in this country, they can still be found abandoned where they last refused to start, but Rhondas are getting scarce.
Two year old 825 used car, here. I had heard bad news about the car, but the price was right. I never had any problems with the interior parts or most electronics. Loved the interior better that most of the cars I have had. I liked the car. At first, could not figure out why everyone thought if was so bad. Only 2 problems with the car. It threw a spark plug going down the road. Weird. Had to be threaded before plug would stay in. It didn’t like my parents house. Every time I went there, had a lot of trouble getting it started. Never did that anywhere else. Also weird. Took to the dealer, but they could not find a problem. Last trip I mad in the car, it refused to start at my parents house. We never got it started again. It got sold dead.
One of my aunts married a bank vice-president, who for reasons of “image,” could not be seen driving anything plebeian. He bought a Sterling. He drove it from the San Diego area to the San Francisco Bay Area so I got to see it. Once. Next I heard, less than six months later, he didn’t have the Sterling any more, I think he had a Chrysler instead, perhaps a Fifth Avenue M-body..
“… But by the 1980s, it was clear…”
Big 3 started to take imports seriously much sooner, or else there would’ve been no Falcon, Corvair or Valiant in 1960. Much less the Rambler or Lark, earlier. And 1971 Pinto/Vega/Gremlin, then 1978 Omni/Horizon.
Losing market share is a whole other story.
Anyway, Sterling, like Yugo, showed that simply being imported didn’t automatically mean “high quality”, 😉
I have a 1987 Sterling 825SL in pretty good condition with 141k miles, It was always garage kept. The lady i bought it from told me it was her dad’s car, the last time he drove it was in 2019 it didn’t want to start so he left it in the garage, it cranks but wont start ,Is for sale if someone is interested ,Location is Los Angeles Ca