Finding the precursor of the now ubiquitous front wheel drive-traverse engine layout is an exercise not too different from delving into biblical genealogy. For there are many to claim the origin of the concept, each actor playing a small role in the long winded story; and the Austin Mini begat the Fiat and the Fiat begat the Golf…
In order to delve a bit into that lineage, we’ll take a quick detour in the land of Nod. As the European car-making Levant had many tribes duking it out, working innovative ways to sort out reasonable human transport in the tiny packages preferred in the continent. German two stroke specialist DKW was first in line, starting in 1931, to use a transverse FWD engine, albeit in the form of a 2 cyl. 2 stroke.
Staying in the two cylinder two-stroke tribes, more examples of lineage evolution; Saab joined FWD in 1950, as well as Goliath with the GP 700 and the Lloyd LP300. Tidy efficient packages that proved the concept was ready for further refinement.
And the 2 stroke FWD begat the 4 stroke FWD…
In the form of the Austin Mini in 1959, British Leyland brought 4 cylinder into the mix to FWD, that along with some quirky engineering solutions by chief engineer Alec Issigonis. Selling slowly at first, the Mini made inroads overseas in ways that DKW or Goliath could only wish for.
And the Mini begat the Primula…
Starting in 1960, British Leyland started production of various Austin models in agreement with Italian manufacturer Innocenti. Among these, the Austin Mini variant -the Innocenti 1001- started a steady sales increase in the Italian market. Fiat, and chief engineer Diante Giacosa, took notice. Set on correcting the engineering and unreliability quirks of the Mini, by then rather obvious and known. Giacosa took with his team the task to improve the concept.
Whatever posessed Issigonis to think that a common sump for transmission and engine oil was a good idea we’ll never know. Did he sketch after a few shots of Gordon’s Gin? Most likely, in the spirit of the time, a mix of wishful thinking and a desire to attend engineering aspects he preferred to deal with. In any case, it was up to Giacosa and team to clean up the mess and develop a transmission small enough to place besides the engine (no small feat). Then new McPherson strut technology was added, clearing space in the engine bay for this effort. Finally, through suspension and chassis geometry, to attend the formats’ drawbacks of parts wear and torque steer (issues that weren’t completely solved, but didn’t seem to matter much with the engines of choice and the small forces that would be induced).
And so, in 1964, in the form of the Autobianchi Primula, the transverse transmission/front engine appeared in much closer form to what the world now knows. Lineage becoming clearer.
Autobianchi at the time served as a ‘technological’ test bed for Fiat (follow Tatra87’s excellent take on Autobianchi). With somewhere around 75K units sold and reliability being reasonable, the Primula proved the concept could be of further use in the company’s roster. And so, the Primula begat the A112, using the same layout, now applied to a small city commuter that was space efficient and fun to drive, taking aim directly at the Mini.
The A112 would be the foundation block for Fiats 128 and 127.
Taking on FWD, producing it in large numbers, while also maintaining a full roster of multiple traditional engineered models, Fiat took a decided but cautious investment on the novel technology. Fiat, purveyor of cheap transport across the world, was churning out all engine/driveline configurations; from the proven Front Drive/Rear Engine, to Rear Drive/Rear Engine, and now, Front Drive/Front Engine. This across the production line, from mini cars, to family sedans, to midsize vehicles. (Unthinkable, in the current age of platform commonality).
Heydays for the company indeed, as the foray into FF layout was vindicated with the 128, selling in large numbers, and winning European Car of the Year in 1969.
Parallel to these developments, work must have been ongoing on the 127 as the 128 was hitting dealers across the world.
I came across this rather pristine Fiat 127 in the midst of the current pandemic (Did I mention biblical times?), a vehicle that hasn’t graced the pages of CC enough, mostly because of its scarcity. I almost did double take when coming upon it on my way to work. It had been decades since I remember seeing one, much less in this condition. And what’s the deal with those Yugo hubcaps?
A rather pretty shape to look upon, the car was result of Pio Manzu’s work, son of Italian sculptor Giacomo Manzu. A product designer by career, already a possessor of an impressive portfolio in spite of his brief career, the 127’s shape is the result of his skillful hand, a then unusual collaboration with Fiat’s Stilo Centre. The 127 was Fiat’s effort to make the FF layout family friendly, being larger than the A112 and the Mini. The car avoided looking mundane, thanks to Manzu’s hand, and offered some style in the best of Italian -cheap- car tradition. Manzu brought a clever use of line and proportions; straights, diagonals and curves meeting in pleasing and unsuspecting manners, creating a dynamic shape, with delicate detailing, bringing an aesthetically pleasing package.
And talking about cheap, Autobianchi’s factory was regarded as having better build quality than Fiat’s. Something personal experience would seem to support, as I’ve come across more A112’s in my life than 127’s, in spite of the latter selling in much bigger numbers. Were Pio Manzu’s delicate lines foretelling? Was the 127 even beyond delicate; frail indeed? Or did the car became scarce as Fiat left markets and parts became unavailable?
And the 127 begat the Golf…
According to Giugiaro’s telling, VW had a dissected Fiat 127 (or 128, accounts vary) on its grounds as they were developing the Golf. While the 127 can’t claim to be first in line of the now ubiquitous layout, it’s true that it brought it forth to the world, selling -along the 128- in the millions. It got Fiat more accolades, winning once again European Car of the Year in 1972, and by the end of its run (and variants) over 5 million units in sales.
The 127 also begat its own subspecies, with factories around the globe creating variants and options; the then obligatory sports version (the Sport-what else?), also a 4 door variant in Spain, through subsidiary SEAT. In South America it became the 147, with versions like the Panorama (a station wagon in Brazil), and Rustica. This latter, an improbable match up, that according to Italian sites, was even assembled at Lamborghini’s Sant Agata factory in the doldrums of that company’s late 70’s days. An approximate number of 8,000 was put together of the exotic little 4×4, keeping Lamborghini workers busy.
The 127 was an incredibly common sight in El Salvador in the 70’s, along with its Spanish twin, SEAT. Both companies had a strong presence in the local market, confusing my young mind as to why the car had two parent companies. The simple concept of badge engineering didn’t fit into my tiny mind. The past is a foreign country, and in the 70’s, European brands still had a decent hold on cheap transport in the 3rd World, even as reliable Japanese were taking over. Fiat, Peugeot, Seat, and Alfa were still common sights in Central America with their lower-end models, a past of which there’s rarely any evidence nowadays.
I’ll admit to somewhat of a cheat, the corner where I shot this 127 has become my easy to go CC spotting place. Located about 2 blocks away from my workplace, someone seems to enjoy purchasing unusual vehicles, fixing and selling (I suppose), for every few weeks some new old car appears. I’ve yet to know who this individual is. Streets are unusually solitary in this upper class neighborhood of San Salvador, complicating the usual information-rich-gossiping common in these lands. The area reeks of old money (upscale enclave in the 60’s and 70’s), so I assume some hacendado’s son is playing with some leftover family money.
Mechanically the 127 was a tight package. With independent suspension, and rack and pinion steering, the car had gentle mechanic precision, it was tactile, responsive and swift. Driving was nimble, with reactions to inputs occurring in immediate fashion. Tossable as only small packages can be, the car could take with eagerness the narrow roads for which it was designed. The A112 was a good platform to build upon on this regard.
Engines ran in the tiny range, 900cc and 1100cc being the most common, growing as large as 1300cc. Eventually, South America would get its own diesel version. Talking about foreign markets, while in Europe production ended in 1983, variants kept being produced in Brazil ’til 1986, while in Argentina all the way to 1996.
The 127 had a number of facelifts as the years progressed, sometimes keeping the car’s lines more or less intact, and others polluting the design in an attempt to keep up with current trends. An additional rare variant; the pick-up, is occasionally found in South America. I’ve a theory that for every car model ever sold in Central America, there’s at least ONE survivor still running (and on that pick-up, yes there’s one still barely running in this city). Usually mechanically altered, with engine swaps pollinating with other brands for repair parts, keeping the vehicles running. Originality goes out the window, instead, the priority is for the object to keep running. Local mechanics are incredibly resourceful on that regard.
This is my long winded way of saying I’ve no idea what’s on the engine bay of our 127, although I doubt the original mechanics are still running. So, what could be in there?
Unbeknownst to me, the Yugo hubcaps were more apt than imagined, as lore tells the infamous Zastava Koral (Yugo’s name in its own country) was originally designed in Italy on a shortened 127 chassis. Leave it to an ex-socialist country to make Italian vehicles appear as paragons of reliability. With much gone wrong in translation, the Yugo was mostly looked on as an outdated penalty box. Were lax socialist worker protocols responsible for Yugo’s dismal reliability issues? Still, regardless of how we feel in the rest of the world on the wretched little boxes, ex-Yugoslavia citizens seem to view it not as negatively. Being the only available transport at the time probably playing a big factor on such memories…
Keeping on the workers theme, this particular Yugo seems to be barely hanging in there, once again, thanks to Salvadorian inventiveness. Not a shining example of authenticity, the exterior belies more than one alteration to keep it -barely- on the road. Maybe a 127 engine could be there? Most likely something of Japanese origin, with whoever the driver is a more than willing beta tester.
The 127 still needs a definite post on CC. Some more immediate familiarity with the vehicle and its virtues and foibles would be a requisite, I assume. Unbeknownst to me, at the time I shot it, the car had just reached the 50th year mark since its launch in April 1971.
And Pio begat the 127….
A relevant exhibit and memorial of the 127 and Pio Manzu’s work took place in 2021. Going by the title “Che Macchina!” at the Turin Auto Museum (MAUTO), the exhibit focused on models like the Rustica, the Sport, the Top, as well as drawings, models and plans from the designer. A tad over 50, and me just reaching that age as well, on the same year. Much has changed in those 50 years, with FWD now being the norm in most car transport. It’s a whole different world out there… A lot of begetting has occurred in between.
“Whatever posessed Issigonis to think that a common sump for transmission and engine oil was a good idea we’ll never know.”
Most motorcycles work this way.
Correct. And NSU based the engine for the Prinz on a motorcycle engine. They kept the gearbox in the sump.
However, in the UK, when Issigonis was designing the Mini, most British motorcycles of any sporting pretensions were not unit construction, and therefore did not share lubricants. I believe the Miura also shares lubricants like the Mini…
Since the featured car is a hatchback, it must be March’72 or later. Fiat didn’t spoil the looks of the 127 until 1977.
Those wheel-trims might be from a later 127 rather than a Yugo.
I was wondering if later 127s came with those wheels, since the silver example here shot by Yohai Rodin in Israel has similar wheels. However, with this El Salvador example, the center caps do appear to have the Yugo “Y”.
Yes, indeed, the Yugo ‘Y’ logo is in those caps. Here’s a closer look.
Thanks for the closeup!
Incidentally, it looks like to me like that’s a Vredestein Snowtrac tire. That Fiat’s ready for the snow!
Yugoslavia was not part of the Soviet Bloc.
Renaults and Peugeots also used to work like that.
On my 1st Naval deployment to Sicily I rented a 127, the smallest and cheapest (and maybe only?) rental car the Navy Exchange rent a car office offered. What a fun car to drive even if the only car it could outrun was a Fiat 600.
One afternoon we drove to the furthest reach of road on a then quiet Mt. Etna. With 4 teenaged Americans inside, we made the trip easily. On the way back, to save some money on gas, I got the idea to just coast downhill on the steeper portions of the road.
Probably the only drawbacks to the 127 for Americans who are a bit taller than Italian drivers and passengers, were the shortage of legroom (it really is a small car), the front seats that didn’t lift/tilt enough to allow easy ingress/egress from the rear seat, and as noted, the car was produced for several years before the hatchback was added (mine was a 1971 trunked model).
I think subliminally my week with that 127 influenced my decision to buy a Ford Fiesta as both were red cars, and both left me with a LOT of memories of fun drives.
Bit of an aside but I always put “1959” Austin Mini in quotes, along with “1948” Morris Minor and Jaguar E-Type because of the strange midcentury British practice of launching new cars at the London Motor Show in October (!) and somehow NOT calling them the next year’s model (!!) This predates age-identifying license numbers so they can’t have been the cause.
Within Europe I’m not sure what Fiat’s practice was but certainly the Germans and most likely the French would shut the factory down for most or all of August for summer vacations, that gave the opportunity to make any major tooling changes, and anything built after the summer shutdown was considered the following year’s model.
I have heard that FIAT stands for “Fix it again, Tony.”
Wow, such originality
My best friend’s family had a 128 4 door sedan. It was a tough little car. We used it to chase dirt bikes, on the hydroelectric power lines leading from Croton and Hardy dams.
There was a metal plate under the FWD assembly that would trap ALOT of sand.
The jig was up, when my friend’s dad did a front brake job, and for some reason lowered that plate and dumped about 10lbs on sand on his head.
Tony was a tough customer.
To Alan C Downs, commented above ” i have heard that FIAT stands for “fix it again, Tony” well, let`s make an agreeent : there were always a certain animosity against Fiat brand and mostly journalists repeated what became a clichè . Me, as an annonymous public from the lot, neither am a Fiat`s lover at all . Anyway beware the animosities, Fiat cars aren`t as bad as perceived . After owning many different brand cars , i can say there aren`t bad marques for automobiles but instead bad drivers .
For You from the other angle of the world who are convinced that Fiat is a vehicle for Tony`s repairing garage , it happens what surely happen to every car : if you ever owned one, then is so easy to enter in all sorts of criticisms.
But beyond the pre-judices related to this Fiat 127 (re named Fiat 147 the whole Latinamerican market) i`ll invite to watch the youTube`s short footages, there are several of them : watch and consider Fiat 147 in rescue of a buried Ford F100 pickup, Fiat 147 towing a Subaru 4×4 stranded in the mud, Fiat 147 towing bigger automobiles and utes at the Route`s side…. please watch` em and then after say properly who`s Tony attending for . To your basic information, know what it means Fiat 147 (127) over the rough range lands in Southamerica ? It`s the cheapest source for crane service. Fiat 147 / 127 is a very cheap tiny car with high capacity to rescue and to trail luxurious all-road vehicles that are valued 20 times its humble price
Fiats just like lots of other brands like maintenance, thats the key to keeping them going.
Following Graham`s words above , yes i recently watched it randomly but if not watched before nobody will believe such a force from a Fiat 147 ex 127 :
a Toyota Hilux pickup with apparently engine totaled, that was around countrysides . To those who can`t write in Spanish , there`s a vid from Argentina with the title = YouTube
” Toyota rescatada por un Fiat 147 . 3 GP “
Fiat 127 … that`s simply the mule on 4 wheels and it isn`t a pecjorative quote . If Spain produced a big 6 numbers of this and Italy surely produced + 3 million units , no wonder Brazil and Argentina produced all other + 3 Millions until 1986 or so . This engined mule can commute 5 persons in a decent ride with low operative costs . Not as stunning attractive as a BMW but the Fat 127 is a pretty helping vehicle for almost all needs . For many years was among top 3 best selling cars in Chile , Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay . Also available in Diesel configuration, record of economy`s run . Also available in notchback configuration as the Fiat Oggi . Or the incredible miniwagon Fiat 147 Panorama . Or the lattest light redesigns which demises the numbers 127 – 147 for different christened names as e.g. Fiat Spazio, Fiat Vivace, Fiat Brio . What else can you expect from a modest little car ? So it has the unpayable abilities of a mule . Moreover considering it was launched 1971 or so , its design was almost the introduction of a newest niche ( smallest fastbacks ) that was cleverly followed by the most appealing Renault 5 LeCar or Volkswagen Polo , althought not less troublesome than supposed Fiat`s Tony slogans
Good memories! A 1978 Fiat 127 1050 CL was my brother’s first car, around 1985/1986. Lime green, tan interior. Driving it like a go-kart on a track -all the time- was my brother’s passion. Little Green Fiat always delivered and functioned flawlessly, no matter what.
Thanks for this article, Rich!
The FIAT 127 was very popular in Germany as well. A friend of mine had one and drove it like he stole it until he got into trouble with the police. The 127 was a driver’s car for its sharp handling and to drive it required the pedal to the floor. It was tiny and there were quite a few ergonomic quirks to deal with. The steering column was rather steep for example. I believe it was off center for the driver as well, not as much as the wheel in the Mini but still. The pedals were also transposed towards the middle of the car because the wheel well took the space away.
Reliability was definitely not its strength. As they aged the TuV (MOT) found way to many faults to keep them on the road as cheap transportation. I guess most were done after 6 years and 100000 km.
Great find and write-up — I’ve never seen one of these cars, so I enjoyed reading about it. The overall design seems very modern for the early 1970s, and I can easily see how these became very popular. Quite remarkable to find a car like this in such good condition!
During a 1985 visit to Israel I rented a SEAT 127 for a couple of days. It was nimble and fun to drive. It got me up Mt Hermon and all around the northern part of the country.
For the record, the 127 & 128 were brilliant designs, only let down by the early onset of rust, and by the poor quality plastics Fiat tended to use. If you looked after them they were reliable, and you would forgive them a lot because they had character.
And where I come from fiat stands for fix it again tomorrow, and ford is fix or repair daily..
Lots of trouble, usually serious is a Lotus!
We nearly ended up with one in the family, but Dad settled for a 1283P. As for the 127, Wheels magazine called it the .9 litre Ferrari in Australia
I think that was actually the 128 Coupe SL (the one without the extra porte). Either is a very desirable car, and you, might I say, were a very lucky bastard. We still had a rusty FJ in ’73!
The 3P was also sold in Australia and replaced the SL when it came out in 1976.
Great write up on a car that’s been neglected here. These were Fiat is its best.
Well, I’ll be begat. Though liking them, I never thought much about the styling of these, and you’re right: there’s a lot of subtle goodness going on. So successful, that seven years on, Ford clearly thought it could match it in the Fiesta by copying it with some added northern Protestant severity, and didn’t.
Fiats were only ever imported here, and so, subject to steep tariffs, they had the oddball position of being slightly upmarket. They sold to posher suburbs as a second car, and also a few to the large tribe postwar Italian workers who’d worked enough hours in all the backbreaking jobs to afford a bit of the Old Country in their driveway. (As an aside, I always used to find that older Italians in the ’80’s were either voluably rabid about how superb Fiats were, or utterly contemptuous that anything was better than their beloved local Holden/Ford/Valiants, a consistent amusement for me to ask them and watch the passions rise). The press loved them, but I always saw more 128’s or later 131/2’s, so they didn’t sell many.
I can’t recall Fiat being an innovation leader much past this point in their history, with some good cars like the Uno and Panda, but lots and lots more of brand-strangling dross.
Greta piece on a greater car than some remember it.
In their day, these were arguably the one to beat for a supermini. Captured most of what the Mini did (especially the on road behaviour) and put it into a larger more practical but still compact package. Alongside the Renault 5, this showed what a small compact modern car could be, and was a worthy successor to the spirit of the 500 Topolino and Nuova 500 and 600/850 family.
At this time, with the 127, 128 and Alfasud, and later the first Panda as an entry level masterpiece, Italy had the small car world seemingly completely covered, almost sewn up. Now there’s just the Panda and the not to all tastes (car or fashion gadget?) Fiat 500. And Fiat has been swallowed by Peugeot…….go figure
And Rich Baron, welcome to the Curbivore World!
Interesting you mention these being at or near the top of their class; I was reading a bunch of Autocar comparisons the other day with these and their peers, and you are right, they were consistently competitive up until the end. These were the sporty superminis, had very composed ride, were deceptively roomy, and at least in the UK, almost consistently the most affordable outside of the very compromised Mini. Downsides seemed to be the dash/switchgear design and noise. In its early years the Renault 5 was deemed superior if all out relaxed comfort was the brief, and they typically were the most fuel efficient. When the Polo and Fiesta hit the scene, both were extremely well rounded and shook things up; the Polo was ultra refined at the expense of a cramped rear seat and so-so cargo ability. The Ford was considered extremely well rounded with no outstanding characteristics, and therefore lacking in personality. They also were consistently expensive in their class; higher end versions could be up to 20% (!) more dear than realistic competitors… The dark horse of the supermini group, however, was the Peugeot 104. Largely ignored initially because of the lack of a hatchback and lack of reclining front seats, when that changed in 1976 it walked away with every comparison test it was in. No real vices being that it was high value, had famous French ride and handling, room, low noise, and 4 doors. Surprising it wasn’t more popular in the day.
My personal favorite oddball is the Seat Fura Crono “hot hatch” because I still have the 1984 brochure somewhere. As an aside the mid 80s were a time of change as Seat’s product line migrated from Fiat to Volkswagen based since I also have a Seat brochure for a VW Santana (B2 Passat 6 window sedan sold in the US as the Quantum).
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Quando falam da FIAT no Brasil, nos meios que são especializados nessa marca sempre vem um comentário:
“Não existe limites para se fazer em um FIAT.
Apenas falta de criatividade.”
Estou postando alguns vídeos do que pode se fazer com um FIAT 127 (aqui no Brasil foi nomeado FIAT 147).
Para muitas pessoas que não sabem como a marca é importante no Brasil, vão ser imagens surpreendentes, pra não dizer inverossímeis.
(Os vídeos possuem traduções de legendas.)
Thanks for these links Jotta. Is great to see the 127-147 devotion in Brazil up to these days.
Glad the videos also come with subtitles!