[Curbside photos by Cohorts BeWo86 and Kurtzos]
For such a small car, the story of the Renault R10 is huge. No other car so perfectly epitomizes the enormous ups and downs of the Great First US Import Boom, and how the VW Beetle came to dominate the market. The Renault and VW shared similar origins and basic configuration, going all the way back to the early years after WW2. But the paths the two cars then took were decidedly different, especially in regard to the US. The lessons learned from the failure of Renault to successfully compete in the US with a car that was “better” than the VW in almost every objective parameter was one that other manufacturers either learned from, or not, at their peril.
The R10 was the last of a line of compact rear-engined Renaults that started with the 4CV in 1947. Its conception story is rather complicated, but there is little doubt that the engineers who designed it during the war for the expected post-war austerity period were influenced by Porsche’s KdF Wagen (VW). Right after the war, Ferdinand Porsche was obligated to consult with Renault on the 4CV design, as part of a war reparations scheme. But by that time, the 4CV was nearing production-ready status, and there wasn’t much need for Porsche’s input. But as a “thank you”, he did get arrested by the French on trumped-up war crime charges after the last consultation, and was jailed for twenty months. Whoops; now we’re already oversteering from the R10 story’s intended course. Crank in some reverse lock…as I said, the two share more than rear-engines and swing axles: a complicated history.
The 4CV was a bit cozy and modest in some respects. That resulted in the Dauphine, a somewhat enlarged and modernized 4CV-derivative that arrived in 1956. The 4CVs little water-cooled 747cc four was enlarged to 845 cc, with power ratings of 19-32 hp. The Dauphine, which was the direct predecessor to the R8 and R10, had a meteoric rise in sales during the Great US Import Boom. In 1958, it actually outsold the Beetle in 11 states, and seemed to be a genuine threat to it. Its sales peaked at over 100k units in 1959. But its fragility and lack of dealer support quickly caught up with it, and when the Import Boom turned Bust in 1960, Dauphine sales evaporated in a reddish cloud of iron oxide.
Renault had not developed a quality dealer network like VW did in the US during the fifties. That, combined with the intrinsically greater delicacy of the Dauphine’s design, were its two major shortcomings. The pattern was set in the fifties, and Renault never could break out of that, until they finally bought AMC specifically for its dealer network (not the aging lineup of cars from Kenosha).
The biggest single engineering difference between the VW and Renaults was their respective approach to engine design. The Renault units were quite similar to other post-war European small-car engines: small displacement, but with a relatively high peak specific output, which maximized their efficiency as well as taxes (in Europe). Like the similar Fiat engines, these motors needed to rev, and they buzzed along at near-redline (or above) on America’s high-speed highways and interstates. In Europe in the fifties, most roads were still old-school, speeds were lower, car maintenance schedules were taken more seriously, and most importantly, cars just weren’t driven anywhere near as much as in the US: conditions were very different.
In contrast, the lazy VW engine was always relatively larger in displacement, and was tuned well below its theoretical potential. In German, that approach was called Drosselmotor or “throttled engine”, which allowed it to run at its low engine peak for long periods of time without bad effects. It was difficult to hurt a VW engine from driving technique alone, and a properly maintained new engine was typically good for up to 100k miles, unheard of in a small European car, and competitive with American cars. It was the equivalent of the low-stressed flat head engines that were still so common in the US in the fifties. This, combined with Volkswagen’s excellent all-round construction and material quality and its superb dealer support made the critical difference.
The next development was the R8 of 1962. It shared the Dauphine’s platform, but had a boxier, hence roomier body and a Corvair-inspired front end. Under the rear hood, a new 956 cc engine made 44 hp. Perhaps the biggest news was a four-wheel disk brake system, highly advanced and unusual for the times on any car, never mind an economy car. The R8 was a very attractive and highly competitive car in many respects, but in the US, it was fighting a huge uphill battle. Dauphine memories were longer lasting than the actual cars. Yet Renault slogged on.
It’s not very relevant to our primary story, but we’d be remiss in not pointing out the superb sporting potential of this package, when the proper attention was bestowed on it. The R8 Gordini made a whopping 100hp in its final form (from a mere 1255cc), and was quite the giant killer, and a happy Porsche hunter. The Gordini had a storied career in Rally and other motorsports. Something akin to the Corvair Spyder or Corsa of Europe, but much more fully developed.
The R10 arrived in 1965, with very little to differentiate itself from the R8 except a longer nose. This did make the front luggage compartment more useful, another area it had to clearly distinguish itself against the Beetle.
Despite some clever advertisements, the R10 never really broke out of its cracked mold in the US. The Beetle went from strength to strength all during the sixties, leaving the R10 in its wake. But let’s take a closer look at the two, as of 1967.
In 1967, Car and Driver did a comparison of the two, which was also a chance to test the new-for ’67 1500 cc VW engine and its wider rear track (and the usual other little improvements). The blurb at the top of this picture pretty much sums it up. The Renault was roomier and more comfortable, both in its ride and seats, had vastly better brakes, more trunk space, better visibility, and was more enjoyable to drive, despite actually being a bit slower than the 53 horse 1500cc Volks (the Beetle now did the 0-60 in a fairly decent 17 seconds). The R10’s 1100 cc engine was rated at 50 hp. Did any of that matter?
But you already know what the qualities Americans were looking for in 1967 when they bought close to a half-million Beetles. Its superb build and reliability reputation made it the overwhelming winner in the sales stats, despite being the loser in the test. Volkswagen’s path was the right one, in terms of what folks were looking for, transportation-wise. At least back in the day when one had to make such compromises. The very next year, the Corolla appeared and quickly vaulted to the number two import spot (which was then held by the Opel Kadett).
The R10 turned out to be a bit of a disappointment in Europe too. The market was shifting quickly away from rear-engined cars to more practical fwd cars, and the Peugeot 204 showed the way, as well as Renault’s own hatchback R4 and R6. Production ended in 1971, except in Spain, where it was made through 1976. That’s where both of these Cohort R10s were shot.
The R10 was replaced by the fwd R12, itself the basis for a whole number of off-shoots. But it certainly didn’t solve any problems that Renault had in the US; if anything, it was a bigger disaster than the R10. And it certainly wouldn’t have fared well against a comparison with the VW Golf. But that’s another chapter in the sad Renault story.
I remember these, seen rarely back then. Where the Dauphine had been cute, this car was just not attractive at all, to my young eyes. It seemed so jarringly modern, where the VW (and the Dauphine) had a comforting retro sort of look.
Maybe I was colored by a happy Dauphine experience. Mine was probably the best way to experience a Dauphine – as a 6 year old kid allowed to accompany cool older cousins on a visit to relatives in California in 1965. The seafoam green Dauphine with the cloth sunroof (always open in beautiful California) was a hoot to ride around in. And in my kind of experience, I never once had to worry about fixing the thing. With my adult outlook, I cannot now imagine a harsher climate for a Dauphine – being driven by teenage boys. I can’t imagine that the car lasted long.
Every once in awhile, I see a car here on CC that utterly fails to excite a single, solitary whiff of attraction in me, and that I have no desire whatsoever to own. The R10 is such a car. But at least now I know more about it (and have some reasons for my disinterest).
Dauphine – that’s the ONLY French car I remember or ever saw except when I entered tech school in 11th grade and our art teacher drove a Citroen DS. The weirdest car I ever saw and was the talk of the school that whole year! Otherwise, all Renault cars must have been junk, ’cause I never heard a good word about them.
Question: If you had a choice and weren’t stuck living in Europe (as my thinking would have been at that time – perhaps still is), why would you drive one of these, where there were so many other, better choices? I see nothing appealing about these.
Sorry, but you’d have a hard time prying my 1952 Chevy Deluxe and later my 1961 Bel-Air 2 door sedan or dad’s 1966 Impala out of my cold, dead hands!
VW’s? Bah, humbug! Chevy ll Novas? YES!
Fool!
While I still marvel at the build quality of our early ’60s Beetles, I would also submit that there was something of a ‘preference cascade’ that occurred with Volkswagen in the mid-’60s.
The cars went from being perceived as decent, but quirky little things that eccentrics drove to something that represented a movement. Once you saw the second or third one show up on your street, it rapidly went from something you might *consider* to something you *had* to have… IIRC, ’66 or so was the peak year for Beetle sales in the US.
The quality reputation and dealer service network were certainly the other two legs of the stool.
Can’t say that I recall *ever* seeing any of the subject Renaults when I was growing up.
My friend’s parents had a Dauphine which we occasionally test drive when his parents were out of town. We were 12 or 13 and had no idea how to deal with the crash box. We would have to bring the car to a stop in order get back into first. This was in Mexico. U.S. Dauphines may have had full-synchro boxes.
In the mid-sixties, when my parents lived in Paris, I lusted after the R8 Gordini. They were much faster than my dad’s Simca 1000. I’d still like to have one.
Hats off to anyone who has managed to keep one of these things intact and running all these years.
My Dad spent money he really didn’t have on a new Dauphine in the mid-60s, and was rewarded with a parts-shedding nightmare that, among other things, went through three clutch throwout bearings on its first (and only) 20K miles. After the third major breakdown and my Dad unwilling to make repairs, it sat forlornly in the garage for a couple of years, where it corroded to the point that the hood fell off when I tried to open it one day. Yes, rusted away in two years, in a closed garage. It was towed away for scrap with only 22K on the clock. As the author correctly notes, these cars were simply too highly stressed and too lightly built for US driving conditions.
I do recall the seats were amazingly comfortable.
Some years later, bless his heart, my Dad took a flyer on a used Fiat 850 Spyder, a spiritual cousin of the Renault that, not surprisingly, proved every bit as (non) durable.
I sure did love those seats in my R10. I wish the last President of France had helped me move over from the states. If anyone in the winter of 72-72 saw a black R10 at Durango Mtn or Loveland Basin opening week, miss the good times and wish I could roll again the same way. Sorry Hoxie I had no room to take you back to Indiana with both our guitars and no room from college. My ski buddy ended up with a couple dozen homes around Denver plus a condo at Winter Park. Myself ended up homeless after an arson fire. Well Macron I guess US is not allowed to escape when we lose in the program game here. Don’t bother the email of another road blocker.
“Renault had not developed a quality dealer network like VW did in the US during the fifties.”
You have a massive gift for understatement. A prime example is the Renault dealer in Erie, PA during the first half of the 1970’s. I remember the place well, as it was a regular hangout for us Euro-car freaks, probably the only garage in town that knew what a Lancia was, much less being able to actually work on one with competency.
The ‘dealership’ (as it was) was housed in what could be best described at a largish run-down service station building with two service bays, a showroom big enough for a desk, 2 R12’s and an R15 or 17. Weeds grew around the building with partially dismantled cars on three sides and slowly encroaching on the front. The owner was an expatriot of some European country (can’t remember where 40 years later) who was also the mechanic, office manager, and custodian. He rarely did anything with the latter position.
It was located about five miles west of the Erie suburbs on PA route 5 (the backroad, not US 20 which was the main E/W drag into town) and had one dealership sign on the front of the building and a pole mounted sign on the road. He’d normally get three new cars in at a time, and when they were sold (which took months) would get three more. I think that was the minimum Renault was willing to ship him at one time. I never noticed a dedicated parts department other than some tune up supplies hanging on the wall in the service bays.
In essence it’s what you would have expected from the local service station getting in on the 50’s imported car boom by taking on DKW, Borgward or Trabant. At no time did he ever attempt to upgrade the facilities. I left Erie in 1977, so I have no idea what happened to him after the Renault/AMC joining.
By comparison, the Fiat dealer (the next poorest in town) was on the Erie/Wesleyville city line on US20, and looked like a middlin’ profitable independent used car dealer of the ‘buy here, pay here’ variety. They had a small parts department.
Moving up the food chain, Datsun was combined with the local Saab (and some British Leyland marques) dealer on US19 in a facility that matched any of the Detroit franchises. Likewise Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo.
It always amazed me the Renault never tried to put a better dealer in Erie, as it was a very import friendly market. No doubt having Ft. Erie, ONT 90 miles away didn’t hurt.
My best friend, who I rallied with regularly between ’72 and ’77 tried to buy a 12 at that time. The showroom was empty, however, and the owner didn’t make any huge attempt to get a car in immediately. Said friend instead bought a used Volvo 144, and later a 245.
As much as I enjoy seeing familiar barges here, I really look forward to every feature on a European or Japanese car I’ve never seen before. A little digestif…a Brougham-o-Seltzer, if you will.
This is my first post here, though I’ve been enjoying curbside classics for about the past 8 months or so, decided this was a good chance to stop lurking and get my feet wet.
My father actually had an R10 he bought in 1968 (after he had parked his 1959 VW Beetle in front of our house and it was totalled by one of the teenage boys who lived at the end of our street who ran into it). He bought it from Almartin Motors in South Burlington, Vermont, it was his 2nd second car (before that my mother was “stranded” at home during the day, and of course us kids walked the mile to school 4 times a day (we went home for lunch, our school had no cafeteria).
The R10 was OK car, he had it for 6 years, replacing it with a 1974 Datsun 710 (which had automatic transmission, of course the VW and the R10 had only standard transmission at the time (I think the R10 came out with optional automatic around 1970). My mother didn’t like how the car looked, she said it looked the same coming and going (guess the hood and trunk shape looked too symetric for her)…but it was more conventional looking than the Beetle, and it had 4 doors rather than 2. It did have very comfortable seats in front, and the back bench seat was OK too…done in all vinyl as was the front mounted front hinged trunk. I remember the “weird” side reflectors, 1968 being the first year in US for side marker lights, but the R10 had some “extra” markers I guess for home market (a puzzling one was half red and half white on the front fender). There was also a neat drop-down compartment in the front for the spare tire (I think he had Michelin radials on it, my father was an early fan of radial tires)
I never drove it (was too young at the time) but I remember two things about it, my father didn’t really drive it much (I think he sold it with only about 30,000 miles on it in 1974)….he always had it onl the battery charger (not sure if it was 12V or 6V, he still has the same battery charger, it had settings for both voltages)…goes hand in hand with low miles, I guess the battery didn’t get charged up enough when he was driving it. The other memory I had was driving back from Washington DC with the clutch gone (we were coming back from a Washington Senator’s baseball game), we had moved to Manassas Virginia, and my father was trying to time the lights so he could minimize the shifting (this is some 35 miles or so).
Not sure why he sold it exactly (except maybe it had manual transmission and he wanted my Mother to drive small car more, he bought the Datsun 710 in 1974 right around the time of the gas shortage, but the 710 probably would have gotten worse fuel mileage than the R10, but it was far better than the 400 cubic inch engine we had in the 1973 Ford Ranch Wagon my mother usually drove). I think he only got a few hunderd dollars for it (I think he probably paid around $2000 for it in 1968).
A good friend bought a brand new R8 in 1965. It had an automatic transmission. I remember this because it had a Chrysleresque push button tranny selector. A solipsistic argument would posit since automagics were available in R8s, and R10s were merely elongated R8s, that R10s were also available with autos. I can’t believe I just wrote that crap. Need bourbon.
“But for another 50 bucks you can get bucket seats that fold down into a bed.
In case you’d like to extend your manhood in a slightly more meaningful fashion”
Tongue in cheek humor, pushing the limits of censorship to it’s stretching point indeed!
It was always the dry and sophisticated brand of humor that had more of an impact….And a bit too little too late for Renault, for the king of tongue in cheek, self deprecating humor were the ads for Volkswagen in the 1960’s. Would Ford or GM or Chrysler have the nerve or good nature to post an ad titled “LEMON”? “Think Small”? Classic advertising never forgotten to this day. And worthy of an in-depth essay by one of our esteemed writers!
The combination of that cheerful advertising, an extensive and well maintained dealer network and a rock solid, quality built, economical car built VW into a powerhouse and made the smaller companies and players like Renault an also ran in the American marketplace……..
Interesting to learn of the Ferdinand Porsche angle. I believe his imprisonment helped hasten his demise.
Oh yes, the VW ads of the 60s. I think DDB (Doyle Dane Bernbach) was the house who did those ads…think Mad Men.
The advertising agency was Della Femina Travisano & Partners. While at VWs headquarters in Germany making a pitch to become VWs US ad agency, Jerry (Della Femina) jumped up on a Kubelwagen in VWs museum, and began to simulate mowing down Nazis with the machine gun mounted on the vehicle. At that point, Ron Travisano, his partner, figured that they may as well just hop the next plane back to NYC and bag the whole deal. They got the account.
In 1970 Della Femina wrote a best seller about his experience in the ad biz entitled “From Those Wonderful Folks Who Gave You Pearl Harbor: Front-Line Dispatches from the Advertising War”. Della Femina, known as the “Madman of Madison Ave”, and his book became the inspiration for Mad Men.
Michael,
I did do a post on DDB some time ago:
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/vw-advertising-in-the-seventies-from-classic-ddb-to-a-new-direction/
Tom,
Thanks for the heads up! Very nice write up of DDB and Volkswagen.
One of my older brother’s girl friends drove her dad’s Dauphine, and that was in about 1967 or 1968. This was in Towson MD, and one would occasionally see one around, but hers was in fairly decent condition. Maybe her dad was a mechanic?
When I moved to LA in 1977, it was amazing how many relics of the Import Boom there still were everywhere, including Dauphines. Most of them were sedentary, though. But there was an excellent French car shop (Andre’s) nearby. Quite a few R8s and R10s. They could be picked up for dirt cheap, but I wisely resisted.
Dauphine and Gordinis never had a fighting chance with beetles in brazil, the’re so hard to see these days… and here they we’re build by Willys overland do Brasil.
But the R12 had a different fate.
Ford was in process of buying Willys-Overland Brazil and took control of it in 1967. Willys was involved in project with renault since 1965 called “M” and in 67 it was nearing the final development stages…in 68 ford presented a small sedan.
This car is called Ford Corcel.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Corcel
VW was a car you could park, take a 60-90 day cruise and it would start right up again when you returned. That kept me buying them and avoiding just about everything else while I was on submarines. It’s nice to think about these cars but the reality of the time made VW reliability something to want. Now as time has passed, I think VW has selected a business model other than reliability. Haven’t owned one for a while but that is what I keep reading.
And you would be correct.
All things are relative; VW cars of the late 1950s to the 1960s were reliable compared to most things on the road then, but that really wasn’t that hard since most cars available here were over-styled disposable junk.
We have seen tremendous improvements in reliability and quality in the last twenty years or so. If I were to enter a time warp and buy a new, 1962 VW, probably would not think it a reliable vehicle at all.
VW has adopted the Detroit model for reliability and did so long ago. Last weekend I had dinner with some German friends visiting Canuckistan. Speaking to them, they were totally accustomed to regular wrenching on their German Dream Machines and would never consider a Japanese car. Just not enough cachet for them.
Good point. Having used a cross section of VW products over the years (’64 Beetle, ’71 bus and ’00 TDI New Beetle), I would still give the award for build quality to the ’64, but per your comment, would qualify that by noting that the level of user-maintenance required was a *lot* higher than on a current car. As long as you did that, it ran and ran and ran…
I got where I could do the valves on my ’64 in about 15-20 minutes. It was a once-a-month maintenance item…. I’ve never even *seen* the valves on my TDI (205K miles).
“The Dauphine, which was the direct predecessor to the R8 and R10, had a meteoric rise in sales during the Great US Import Boom. In 1958, it actually outsold the Beetle in 11 states, and seemed to be a genuine threat to it. Its sales peaked at over 100k units in 1959. But its fragility and lack of dealer support quickly caught up with it, and when the Import Boom turned Bust in 1960, Dauphine sales evaporated in a reddish cloud of iron oxide.”
As a kid growing up in Massachusetts in the ’70s, I remember being aware that Renualt existed, so there must have been a few around, but I have no real memory of seeing any. (Maybe I’m “remembering” my Matchbox cars?) Dauphines do not look familar to me at all, and the idea that Renault sold over 100K of them in the U.S. in a single year, just eleven years before I was born, is shocking. Virtually all of those sold around here during the import boom must have been long gone by the time I was old enough to pay attention to cars– rusted away, junked due to reliability/service issues, abandoned by owners who went back to big cars after the 1958-61 recession or moved on to American compacts/VWs/Japanese brands, etc.
First car I ever drove was a Dauphine. Dad brought one home from the dealership (traded on a Chevy, obviously). Classic white with a push button drive automatic (at 14 I couldn’t drive a stick). A real oddity of the car was a two tone horn. You picked the quieter sound for city use, the louder for the open road. I remember the horn tones being used in their radio advertising.
Yes, in the 50’s the Dauphine was quite the important car as far as imports were going. Back in my home town you had the Volkswagen dealership, Renault was covered by the Oldsmobile dealer (wonder how GM let him get away with that – back then if you had a GM dealership, that’s all you carried on the property, period), the Pontiac dealer sold a few Vauxhall’s, I think Opel was carried by the local Buick dealer, the Ford dealer sold a smattering of English Fords (that’s what we called them back then). I know of at least one Hillman Minx in Johnstown in the 50’s (I got to ride in it once it was traded in) but have no idea who sold them.
And that was probably it for a small/medium sized non-coastal town back in the 50’s. Jaguar? Porsche? Mercedes – that dealership was 30 miles away in Indiana, PA. Later in the early 60’s we got a guy who carried British cars, mostly MG sports cars (he’s now the Subaru dealer).
All it took was three to four western Pennsylvania winters to put paid to any idea of Renault challenging Volkswagen in our area. The cars were notorious for rusting and hard starting in the depths of winter. From that point on the Renault dealer was really the Oldsmobile dealer who kept a couple of Renault’s in stock for the hard core.
I really liked the R10. A neighbor of ours had one, and it was the first car I ever rode in with wood on the dash. This was a couple of years before the Caprice, of course.
Rust ate them all here I havent seen a rear engined Renault for eons these things were as biodegradable as Fiats in a humid climate.
There were quite few 8s and 10s in Quebec when I was a kid; there were always informal importers of French cars into Quebec. We had a neighbour who had one. I vividly remember the shenanigans he had to perform to get it to start in the winter:
He would:
-Take the battery out and warm it in the oven.
-Pour gas down the carb.
-Warm the engine oil in a pan on the stove.
-Squirt ether into the carb.
-Tow it around behind my dad’s Pontiac.
Even with all this, the car would NEVER start below -10’C.
It didn’t matter much because after a couple of years, it rusted to dust.
I used to keep a 100w bulb burning all night under the hood with a blanket on top of it. Which hardly ever worked below about 20 degrees F. I never thought of heating the battery in the oven while warming up a saucepan of motor oil on the stove.
No one has mentioned that the jack handle could also be used to crank the car. I thought that was so cool, not realizing that that would be the only way to start the car three times out of ten of a winter’s morn.
With the lights and heater running, adding a turn signal caused the entire electrical system to pulse in time with the turn signal. (Turn signal arm was also the horn button, btw.)
The front seats were luxurious, the back seat fine for kids, plenty of luggage room. The spare was mounted between the front tires and also served as a collision shock absorber for the steering column. It handled beautifully, compared to a VW. Best way to deal with a speed bump was to hit the gas and zoop right over it.
It was a happy day when I exchanged it for a leather German police coat and an ounce of illegal herbs to a friend who already had an R10 and naturally needed a parts car. I’ve still got the coat, but both R10s and the greenery are long gone.
I was stationed in France (Orleans) when I was in the service. I had my wife with me and we lived in Orleans and I had to go to the 34th General Hospital, LaChapel-St Mesin each day. There was an Army shuttle bus, but I wan ted an auto. When I arrived there in late 1962, I bought a 52 Renault 4Cv from an American civilian paying $350. The 4CV was a cute looking 4 door Sedan on the order of a VW, I really enjoyed that tiny car, It was peppy but certainly no speedster It barely used a lot of fuel. The muffler was held on with a wire hanger, so I replaced it for about $15 American, after it fell off one night when we were on the way home from a movie, I had to walk back on a dark road looking for it, I did find it, but it cost so little to replace, I did as soon as I could, One charming habit it did have was on cold nights, the battery was not up t starting the car in the morning. I quickly learned how easy it was to start by getting it rolling and then “popping” the clutch, The 4CV was very light and needed very small effort to push it by hand. My wife used to be in charge of pushing it each morning, because try as I might, I couldn’t teach my wife to work the clutch, while I pushed it. She always managed to stall. I could just imagine my French neighbors peeking out the window each morning as my wife pushed the car, sneering “Crazy Americans”. American GIs were never very popular with the French. I drove my little 4CV from September 1962 until the middle of July 1963. I had paid $350 and I sold it for $325. I always think back on my 4CV with warm memories. In 1967, I purchased a brand new Renault R10 for less the $2000. That R10 was a really nice automobile. Years later, I bought a used 1969 R10, with a crazy type of auto transmission, It was a standard 3 speed stick hooked up to an electric clutch with the shifts controlled by engine vacuum and a “computer”. Both the 4 speed standard shift and 3 speed “automatic” delivered between 35/40 MPG, no joke. I taught my wife to drive on the auto trans model. It was a very simple and fun car to drive, even though it’s been over 40 years ago, I still recall my Renault R10s fondly.
I don’t get it. French cars, not just Renaults, have not done well in North America because they were considered too fragile for the conditions. Yet Peugeot has been THE car of Africa and has been a strong player on that continent for decades, running in pretty harsh conditions.
Perhaps dealer support network is an issue? My dad had a 1983 505 and loved the comfort and ride. Didn’t seem any less delicate than our other cars (it ran for more than 130K miles) at the time, though it was certainly more pricey to fix than our Buick.
Peugeots seem to be the exception to the “all French cars are fragile” rule.
Peugeot’s undoing in the U.S. was more an issue of its sparse dealer network, the perception of being underpowered (perhaps deserved), and the cost of parts and service. And during the 1980s, Peugeot’s financial condition was anemic, making an all-out assault on the U.S. market a gamble it couldn’t afford to take.
It didn’t help matters that the cars were competing, price-wise, with Audi (which had yet to suffer the “unintended acceleration” debacle), Volvo, and to some degree the entry level BMWs and Mercedes of the time. And by time Peugeot left the U.S. market, the three Japanese luxury marques had also gained considerable traction.
In the seventies my parents both ditched their big Pontiacs and bought Peugeot 504’s: she got a white sedan, he a blue wagon. They adored those cars. Sad that Peugeot rather lost its niche market somehow over here. I still think the 404 sedan is just plain beautiful with those fins like the first Sunbeam Alpines!
I’ve never seen an R8 or R10, but I grew up in Michigan – hardly the hotbed of foreign car culture in the US.
I have seen Dauphines in the wild. The man down the street owned two of them – his and hers, blue and white. (Must have got them in a 2 for 1 sale?)
Click and Clack used to have a theory that if you owned a French car your automotive life would be pure hell, but every other area of life would be bliss as the French car would use up your entire allotment of pain and suffering.
But I suspect two Dauphines was some kind of karmic overdose. The man who owned them was normally very genial, but during the 6 months or so that he had the two Dauphines I never saw him with a smile on his face.
Interesting that both the Renaults and the VW had roots going back to the thirties, and/or forties, but the Renaults looked modern. The VW looked outdated from the time the first one arrived in the US. Yet it was greatly preferred to the “modern” Renault.
We had one of those multi-branded import dealers on Long Island, Sportique Motors. They carried the British Leyland line and TVR through the seventies, later added Peugeot and Alfa, then just Jaguar. I think they may have carried Saab for a time as well.
Peugeot did have a dedicated fan base up to the 505, but the 405 was a Camcord-class car priced in 3-series territory. They got decent reviews here and were very successful in Europe (one of the reasons they got out of their financial funk?) but couldn’t justify their premium markup.
Had they been priced more in line with their perceived competition, Peugeot might have sold a few and stayed here.
The argument could also be made that the front-drive 405 turned off the traditional 504 and 505 buyers, not being the tough old birds their rear-drive predecessors were. Though if they brought the 205GTI over, they may have built up an entirely different following.
I had a 1289 cc R-10, which I rolled on the first day I owned it. Long story. The car was bought as a drivetrain donor for my 1965 R1094 Dauphine. When I transplanted the drivetrain, the Dauphine became quick but a real handful in the wet. I used to drive it in the Vancouver rain, partly using the throttle to steer, but one day I killed it with pendulum oversteer….
I swore off rear engined cars forever at that point (1982)…..but now I own two diesel smart convertibles! Ha, go figure!
A friend in Vancouver has a R1135 Renault 8 Gordini.
Nice story. We all have good Renault stories. Mine about my sister destroying my Gordini 1135 in 1980. Still looking for one. Is your friend called Paul?.
There are a couple of R10s in the family car history. Both were in the mid-late 60s, before I was born. My grandparents had one as their ‘little’ car – their family car was a ’59 Plymouth Belvedere. Owning a Belvedere and an R10 would have been highly unusual in New Zealand at the time, and goes some way towards explaining my love of cars (and my strange tastes!). My Uncle had the other R10. They were gone by the time I was old enough to know cars in the late 70s.
Someone local to my work has an R8 Gordini, and occasionally blasts arund the streets in it. I has phenomenal camber on the back wheels, a roll cage, and is seriously loud.
It’s odd, but rear-engine Renaults were among the cars I hated while growing up; now I think they’re cute little things – and I love that red one in the photos!
When I was a teenager, I read a novel about a Renault Dauphine. I think it was about a teenager rescuing one and doing it up. I read it about the same time as “The Red Car” (Don Stanford’s awesome MG novel). Only thing is, I don’t remember the name or author of the Dauphine book, does anyone out there in CC land know of it?
I think that it was entitled “Delusional Meanderings of the Seriously Deranged”.
I owned one many years ago. The two things that stick out in my mind about the car are 1) it had very comfortable seats, and 2) it had the weirdest automatic transmission I’ve ever seen, before or since.
If memory serves, it was basically a three-speed standard transmission with a magnetic clutch and electric motors to shift the gears. It also had an automatic throttle disconnect so while you just mashed the pedal to the floor, it sounded (and felt, with a surprisingly slow shifting sequence) just like it had a manual transmission.
I got the biggest hoot out of driving that automatic… right up to the point it quit working and there was absolutely no one in the area who could fix it.
And, of course, it was by then rapidly returning to its ore state, anyway.
I’ve had several R8s and bought an R10 brand new in 1972 for $1806 OTD. I had the R10 for 10 years/150k miles. One of the R8s I had was an automatic. The best way to describe that car was that it felt like someone else was driving it!
Sounds like a cruder version of today’s DSGs.
I’m from Brazil, and there’s an interesting story involving this cars here. I don’t know why or how, but Willys Overland do Brasil produced the Renault Dauphine from 1959 to 1967. When Ford Company bought Willys, they was about to produce the R12, and this project was adapted by Ford and launched in 1968 as the Ford Corcel. This was the most sucessfull brazilian Ford car in the seventies, until 1978, when Corcel II was launched, with the same base and powertrain, but a totally new body. The Corcel was available until 1986, but derivated Ford Del Rey (a sedan launched in 1981) and Ford Belina (a station wagon produced from 1969) was produced until 1992. Great cars. I have an ’88 Del Rey in daily use and it runs like new.
(photo: 1969 Corcel GT)
I had an oldish Renault 10 in the UK about 79-81. When changing the brake blocks on the discs I found some weird components surrounding the blocks, sort of levers and springs. As I worked I got thinking about these, and worked out that the system released the blocks if the disc stopped turning..worrying! Until I thought a bit more…This would stop the car skidding under emergency breaking? Couldn’t wait to try it out when the job was finished. Sure enough, 50mph, slammed on the brakes, super short stopping distance and no screeching of tyres. This car was built in the late 60’s or early 70’s and was fitted with mechanical ABS!!! I can only find google references to the Jensen Interceptor in the late 70’s as the first car with mechanical ABS. Not true, guys!!!
And yes, I still think of it as the most comfortable car I’ve ever driven…..fond memories.
PS. Anyone got a works manual that shows the ABS?
Hi Nick, Mate the springs and leavers you encountered when changing the disc pads on you old Renault 10 were not a mechanical ABS System but rather the Hand Brake system….. The reason the rear brakes didn’t lock up was because of the rear brake limiter/ pressure limiter fitter to the rear hydraulic system. These systems usually do have a lever fitted to the rear suspension to activate less pressure as the nose dives under braking, limiting the risk of rear wheel lockup in emergency braking.
I owned a 1971 R10 when I was in college during the 1974 energy crisis. It took nothing to fill the tank and got 40 mpg. I could drive to go skiing in Killington Vermont from Boston on one tank and have plenty of gas left over with four 3 of my friends and all of the skiing gear. It was a smooth riding comfortable car that handled great and stopped on a dime. I could cruise all day at 70 mph. The R10’s engine had 5 main crankshaft bearings when other 4 cyl had only three. This made it a very sturdy and longlasting engine. It was also unstoppable in the snow.
It was a mechanically simple car and easy to repair. I did as much of the maintenance I could. We also had a great Renault Dealership in my hometown of Danvers Massachusetts. Highland Auto Sales.
I sold it to get money for another car I was restoring. I really missed that R10. As I look back at the 50 or so cars that I have owned it is in my top ten of favorites.
Five years ago I set out to find one to restore. I wasn’t an easy task. Most I found were rusty and not worth restoring.
I finally found one in Fort Myers Florida. A 1969. It was an essentially one owner car with factory air. It originally was an automatic but the owner had it thankfully converted back to a 4spd. The automatic units were troublesome.
The woman who owned it loved this car. She drove it 64,000 miles until she could no longer drive. She could not bring herself to sell the R10 and did not want it sitting in her driveway deteriorating. She had all the fliuds drained, the sliders on her house remove and parked it in her house. There it sat until she passed away.
A man bought the car from the estate and started the repairs needed to get it running. He ran into some financial difficulty and transferred title to a trucking company he owed money to.
I found the car on Ebay and made a deal with the trucking company to buy the car. I traveled to Florida to take a look at it before I plunked down my money.
When I first saw the car it had a poor white paint job over the original Metalic blue paint. Dings and small dents here and there but nothing major. The happiest surprise was that it was virtually rust free. The undercarriage close to the condition it was in when it left the factory. The interior, seats, dashboard and door panels looked like new except for a minor rip in the drivers seat. the door panels still had the factory plastic coverings on them from when the car was new.
The car is in the body shop right now. I am not doing a full ground up restoration but pretty close. The most extensive work will be done to replace worn rubber parts in the drive train, suspension, new brake system, some electrical quirks, cluth and other mecahnical items. The engine on the other had runs like a clock.
It should be done by this fall.
I can’t wait.
Congratulations. Send us some pictures and some text when it’s done and we’ll do a “My CC” on it.
Will do Paul. Here it is on the lift before I stripped it.
She’s a beauty!! i have one here in Australia with a 1400cc motor. I have owned about 20 R10’s over a 55 year period. Great little cars.
Hi Paul
Here is the R-10 right out of the body shop back to it’s original steel blue metallic paint.
Next is the mechanical work that will start in the summer.
This project is way behind schedule. I am hoping to have it done by this fall. Only two years later than I thought but I am having fun in the restoration process.
Kevin Gaudette
Beautiful! And it always takes longer than planned.
Keep at it!
Paul
Hi Paul
Well I have been unable to work on the R10 as often as I would like and decided that I need professional help with it.
On Friday January 22nd the R10 is off to Springfield Ohio to Lawrence Dooley’s Renault restoration shop to complete the job. Lawrence worked for a Renault dealership during most of his career and has gained quite a reputation for restoring rear engine Renaults, mostly Dauphines. He has a great FaceBook page “Renault Dauphine Restoration Shop USA.
It should be done by late spring 2016.
I will keep you posted.
Thanks
Kevin Gaudette
Looking fantastic!!
My parents owned a gray ’69 R-10 and about a year later, a dark green ’70 R-10. The 3 of us took a round trip from Michigan to Arizona in the ’69. Having just gotten my license prior to that, I drove much of the trip. Crosswinds can be startling in the mountains, but overall, a good trip. I was a VW man myself. My first 4 were VW’s, but I have very fond memories of the Renaults. VERY comfortable seats and great gas mileage. My parents later had an R-16, then an R-17 and that ended their Renault history. It’s great to see others’ experiences with their Renaults, good or bad.
Car and Driver was certainly at the top of it’s game in 1967. The paragraph at the top of the page certainly sums up the Beetle and R 10 succinctly.
My secorpnd car was a well-used R10 with that nightmare semi-automatic transmission; I bought it, I think, because the R8s on the dealer’s lot were a lot rustier. I kept a rubber mallet and a car of WD-40 in the trunk of that car to deal with sticking solenoid e and dash pots in the transmission controller.
When Renault made their return to the US market with the Le Car (R5) and the Renault 17, Car & Driver noted that they had a legacy of “electromagnetic clutches and disappearing dealers.”
In the summer of 1977, when I was 17, my Dad bought me a used, 1968 Renault R10. That thing was a death trap. It was way too light, I think the body was made entirely out of aluminium, and the engine was in the rear. The nose of the car acted aerodynamically like a wing and at spends over 45mph, the end result of design and materials was a disconcerting lifting of the front end weight off the tires which seriously reduced the effectiveness of the driver’s input (i.e., steering). The first time I discovered that flaw, I was driving on I-495 just outside of Washington, DC. I swear I could turn the steering wheel 30 degrees to the left or right with no response from the vehicle whatsoever. Then there were the brakes, which were terribly ineffective. Also, the vehicle was so light that in DC summer downpours (which are know to achieve torrent-like intensity) the vehicle was prone to hyrdo-plaining. Then there were the weak headlights, the poor pickup, I could go on and on. After driving the vehicle for a couple of weeks, I was sure my father was trying to kill me for the insurance money. Luckily, by the following summer, the car was stolen one night and involved in a high-speed chase which ended in the car being totaled. I was working the night-shift at a local condominium and, as is typical for the summer season here, it was pouring when I left for work. Instead of driving the silver death-trap, I borrowed my father’s car. Around 3AM I received a call from the county police informing me that my car had been involved in a high-speed chase and accident. I thought the caller was one of my friend’s playing a practical joke, so I remarked that there was no way that my car could have been involved in a high speed chase unless it had been air-dropped from a cargo plane from 10,000 feet. The officer didn’t find that particularly amusing. At any rate, what tipped the patrol officer that something was amiss was when the thief passed him weaving uncontrollably from lane to lane down the highway. The officer thought he had a DUI on his hands. Nope, just some poor schmoe who picked the wrong car to steal at the wrong time. Anyway, the officer turned around and gave pursuit. Amazingly, that kid got my car up to 108 mph, of course he was on the downward slope of Route 1 at the time, which is probably about the time he discovered the other failing of the R-10’s design: the breaks were feebly anaemic to the point of non-existent. So he ends up failing to negotiate a left turn and ricochettes off of two other cars, totalling them as well. Luckily, no one was injured, although the thief made good his escape on foot. I would have bought him a drink if I could have found him, his wrecking my car probably saved my life in the long run.
LOL! Very entertaining, though somewhat scary assessment! Since I came from a VW Beetle background, the lack of acceleration was actually a step up from what I was used to. (“Your Volkswagen has an extraordinary capacity for acceleration.” I remember it word for word from the owner’s manual. LOL!) When I first read about the “high speed chase”, I immediately thought the officer must have been on foot! And, talk about “what was he thinking!” WOW!! 🙂
Strange to read about all these things about cars. Every car rust, including Beetles and Mercedes. I’m working on an old 62 Beetle that’s been in a barn in California for 20 years. It’s all rusted. The rats ate the insides. 6 volt system and drum brakes. Roller type steering. The Renault was far more ahead. The battery is
under the back seat, just like cars of the 30’s.
I’m in my 80’s and know about cars. I worked in a junk yards.
Some cars are good and some are bad.It depends who work on them.
A cheap car can outlast an expensive car. It’s how you drive.
The Yugo was cheap but it could last.
It’s interesting to read all these comments about foreign cars. I am a mechanic and grew up next to a junk yard. I had every make, Beetles, Renaults, Hillman, MG. Toyota, Datsun, Hyundai, plus American foreign competition like Corvair, Pinto, etc. They were all the same, they all rusted and as mileage accumulated, they became un reliable. Most garages would not fix foreign cars. When they did , they charged more and butchered them. When VW’s were new in the U.S.sold in store fronts. My uncle traded a bicycle for one and they had a waiting list. Also, nobody could fix them right. The motor had to come out for repairs. Clever advertising was responsible for sales. It became a status symbol for college students. . WV decided to established dealerships, is what saved the beetle. No body seems to remember the automatic beetle gearshift. Renault was better. Anyway, Renault started dealerships, not as good, they employed cheap mechanics that were more harmful, than fixing. Toyota started the same way, and later copied the German dealership. After pulling out for a few years. English and Italian cars never really made it. Peugeot was a very good car but expensive for what it was. About engines, VW was an air cool noisy engine, but all the others were water cool. At high speed on American roads, they would blow head gaskets, That’s what killed the Renault and others.
But nobody mentions that VW also had problems with constant high speed driving on the freeways. The one side of the engine would burn the valves, and the engine had to come out to fix. A German mechanic friend of mine got tired of working on Beetles, taking the engine out all the time, and quit working on them. The early models were easy, 4 bolts only,but later with added emission and heat, cables to disconnect etc. Emmision testing killed the Beetle, it had no room for the extra equipment. So came the Super Beetle. The replacement Rabbit was a great car, but at first it had a terrible oil problem. All these cars rusted terribly, if you lived in snow country. Even the Mercedes, I use to see them in junk yards. As for winter starting, Toyota was the worse. Most had poor automatic chokes or non at all. You can’t judge an automobile by its country.
The Renaults cars I had were the most comfortable cars with disk brakes and Michelin tires. Quality was not as good, but you could make it last.
But today economy cars have improved a lot, but like the 2013 Hyundai Accent I am driving, is horrible. Electric power steering is very heavy and the stiff suspension, and the Elantra I had before was the same. Very uncomfortable on long trips. I’ll take my Renault R10 back, I drove one across country and never got tired and gas mileage was better than today. I am 84, and disappointed at todays cars.
Renault were hugely popular in Australia and hard to kill.
Mechanics didn’t understand them and lacked the smarts to learn.
Otherwise ideal for Australia as they were tough and laughed at poor roads , which is why French cars were big in Africa.
Interesting to read all the comments on the Renault R-10. I had all the economy cars back in the 60’s and 70’s. English Austin, Hillman, American Metropolitan. Chevrolet C. German Beetle. Japan Datsun and Toyota.
French Renault R-10, Peugeot.
French cars were made for comfort. Soft seats and suspension and good gas mileage. Wonderful to drive. All the others were like trucks. Stiff, and they all rusted, Japanese cars rusted the fastest. Rear engine cars were all over the road especialy on windy days. In the Renault, the trunk in front was big enough to hold a cement bag, that did help. The rear engine cars, the Beetle, Renault, the rear axle wheel would bend after a few years. The fix was to insert rubber bushings in the springs. The Beetle was the better built, but the other could hold up just as well with loving care . Today I drive a Honda Fit. Nice car but not fun to drive.
BTW, that filler below the rear window on the 4CV is for the radiator, not the gas tank. A bunch of French verbiage explaining this is stamped into the cap. But I’m sure that few American pump jockeys could read French!
My family got a Dauphine, the only import they ever owned, around the turn of the 1960s. Our dirt road beat it to death in ~3 years. The family car at the time was a ’53 Pontiac 8 with Hydra-Matic, and my folks got the Dauphine as a second car. My father later said there was no point in having “two of the big gas-eating monsters from Detroit,” but I don’t know why they got the Dauphine rather than a VW bug. One day I was walking home (uphill) from the school bus stop, I was a couple hundred feet from home, and my dad went past me in the Dauphine. When I got home, he explained that he hadn’t stopped for me because he didn’t want to lose momentum.
The Renault 8 or 10, I forget which, had a series of print ads acknowledging that the Dauphine hadn’t done so well in the States. Two that come to mind: “The Renault for people who swore they would never buy another one,” and “`It’s not German. How good could it be?’”
Well heck..drove a 1971 R10 from 79-90…over 120,000 miles…honeymoon car…first of 7 kids came home in her…Was eqipped with a factory approved “in dash ” by A.R.A.of Dallas air conditioner…and the ac worked the first two years…Father in law had three R10’s all running well for his kids..two R8’s for parts..two running R16’s…one auto..one weird manualshift….kept a hardtop Caravelle in the back yard he never got around to restoring…and last but not least he rounded up over a dozen cull Renaults…Dauphines/R8’s he kept at his ranch for parts.My R10 ran super 30-40 mpg…Broughton motors in San Antonio still stocked parts for the Renaults and I did indeed have to use the hand crank on more than one occasion….Comfortable to drive…engine/transmission never gave any problems….American drivers just did not do routine maintenance these cars require.Regret selling it..still ran super…
Hi Paul
Well my 1969 Renault 10 is pretty much all done.
As promised attached are some pictures of the finished car.
Hope you enjoy them.
Thanks
Kevin Gaudette
Magnifique! Very nicely done.
If you want to write it up here at CC, let me know.
side view
interior
What a fantastic restoration….Congratulations, well done.
rear view
engine compartment
engine compartment 2
engine compartment 3
this is what I started with
a sad but completely rust free Renault R10 in Fort Lauderdale Florida
purchased and shipped to my home in Middleboro Massachusetts
Then to Maine for the body work
Then to Ohio for the mechanical work
Then back to my new home in Falmouth Massachusetts
Hi Paul
let me know what you need for the write up
Thanks !
Kevin
Just write up some text about your experiences from beginning to end, and tell us what it’s like to drive an R10 from a 2017 perspective. Or whatever you’re moved to say. Attach pictures (or I can use these) and send it to curbsideclassic(at)gmail.com
Hi Paul
Did not have much of a chance to drive it before I put it away for the winter.
I will do a write up with pictures in May after my busy season.
Thanks
Kevin
Kevin – what a beautiful car, and what an amazing job you’ve done on the restoration! I can’t wait to read the story!
Thank you
Just got it back before winter so not time to drive it much before I put it away.
Will do a road test and write up in May after my busy season
Kevin
Fantastic. I didn’t like these as a kid and my Father once attempted to buy one at an auction in 1969, but we brought home a 66 Corvair 2 door hardtop instead.
I love these now and appreciate the upright simplicity of the styling.
Oh my brings back such memories. My dad had several of these. Evidently the transmissions had “brushes” that would get gummed up and the engine would race and sound great and the transmission would not engage. Dad would take out the brushes, clean them, do a tune up and drive the wheels off them. Living in ohio, the rear engine with a few heavy items in the front trunk, made them go in well in the snow. I remember the push buttons to choose the gears… R, D 1 and 2…. and that emergency break that needed engaged each time the car was parked, and sometimes even a block under the tire as well. Wonderful gas milage.
Thanks, and I’m looking forward to the article as well.
Well…long thread…I remember all the Renaults mentioned in the threads…born 58..Germany ..to American soldier and Bavarian Mutti…Most of time stationed in Germany where my Dad played NATO war games ..Dauphines were everywhere..the enlisted would drive them into the ground on the Autobahn…no family man would let his wife drive one …that I saw….But the Beetle. …it was reliable…sure…let the wife drive.I got back to the states..just in time to drive…First car ….at 18…a Corvair hardtop 66…then met my future wife…whose father had six…yes six R8’s and R10’in his stable..all ready to go… in the driveway and street…all licensed and ready to go.plus over 12 ..”parts cars” on his ranch..sitting under the South Texas sun… I just engaged.. bought a 1971 R10 from the San Antonio Renault dealer “Broughton Motors” in 1979..Had a rebuilt motor…a factory approved Air conditioner from A.R.A… Dallas..an in dash unit no less …that actually worked well…Wife and I drove the R10 for over 110,000miles…till 1989…sold it in 90…ran well …yes the hand crank would amaze people……saved the growing family sooooo much money every year…did my own work on it..I regret letting it go….cost peanuts to run….my daily driver for ten years…But time goes on
Brought my Dauphine home from Germany in 1959. Sunroof, leatherette upholstery, wonderful electric clutch. Bought an R10 in Hawaii. Both great cars. At different times bought a used Dauphine and R10 as second cars. Made a rule: never buy a used Renault.
Is it known whether the Renault A-Type engine that first appeared in the Renault could be easily installed into the rear-engined Renault 8/10 models or even the front-engined Renault 6?
Know that the Renault 8 Gordini was fitted with a 1470cc T58 Twin-Cam engine that was apparently not related to the A-Type unit.
This thread still has a heart beat!?! I remember the showroom (@ 1968-69), with BMW 318i & R10 side-by-side. I remember the BMW as a fine watch, the R10 as a soda can. R10 was 2/3 the price. This was in Manhattan Beach, CA; may have been a Vasek Polak venture from just down the BLVD. The ink on my CDL was barely dry. I destroyed that car. Went through brakes and tires like crazy. Cohort and I scared people by driving around corners way fast with outside doors open, howling. There was nothing automatic about the way I used the automatic. The car lasted to somewhere between 15K-20K miles. I left the parental home before then to shack-up in my ’57 transporter that first summer. The VW was engaging too, but more endearing. Kid you not, I’m currently rebuilding the T-case on my 2007 Silverado Classic, with just 68K miles, not from misuse by any means, but piss-poor Engr. of the New Process T-case. I can speak from expertise being a retired So Cal Satellite Engr., and having rebuilt engines, trans, axles, houses, guns, etc……
My best pal did one of these (R10) up for his elderly dad who’s Morris Oxford had gone to the great scrapyard in the sky !
It was 1976, and mainly remedying the rust caused by UK climate.
Remember its sofa comfy seats and ultra soft ride.
But taking to the wheel for a 200 mile motorway drive, November going to a “bonfire party”, with rain and strong crosswinds … dear me, it took all my concentration to keep it within the single motorway lane.
The imprecise semi-detached steering hardly helped !
Having driven a late 50s Beetle, and tail happy but fun early Skoda 100R coupe, I can honestly say this was the worst driving experience of my life !
A friend of mine is looking to for a picture of a R10 luggage set, is there perhaps someone that can help with such a picture please. Here is my email address 77solutions@gmail.com
Best regards
John
South Africa
My wife and I owned 3 renault 10s…I had 2 white ones with ac drove all over the country…Hers was a Rally version maroon with Blacked out hood ,fog lights and forward mounted racing mirrors …40 miles per gallon on road, great AC, HUGE TRUNK, YOU COULD START IT with Jack handle inserted in rear bumper…GREAT CARS…….OH YEA SUPER COMFE SEATS..
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