(First posted 10/17/2013. Pictures of this 603 are from Ebay) With a little imagination (not in short supply here), this could be the 1949 Cadillac or Oldsmobile. In the mid-late thirties, radical innovations in aerodynamics, rear engines, front-wheel drive, unibody construction and other creative and radical re-imaginings of the conventional car spurted forth like a geyser. The Europeans mostly led the charge, and put some of the most advanced ideas into production, like the seminal streamliner, the Tatra 77 of 1934.
But there was no shortage of creative ideas on this side of the pond either. Every American car company was either exploring new ideas, or being hounded by independent engineer/designers with theirs. The post war era might well have looked different if any of these concepts had been actually put into production. And some of you may want to shoot me for even suggesting a world without the real 1949 Cadillac. The Czechs undoubtedly feel the same way about their 603.
Before we take a look at some of those concepts, let’s first take in the Tatra’s back side, because that’s what inspired this line of inquiry. I was half way through a different take on this 603, when gazing at this picture, from Ebay and posted posted at the CC Cohort by safeasmilk, reminded me of a picture I had seen of some 1940s Cadillac concepts.
Here it is, rear-engined Cadillac models that were an imagining of the evolution of Cadillac, starting with the pre-war production car in the back, and moving forward to the 1960 central-steerer. Isn’t predicting the future fun? The second and third ones from the back closely approximate the Tatra 603.
image: hemmingsblog
Among the many independent US pioneers, Bill Stout certainly stands out (as his hair stands up), and this fiberglass rear-engined prototype from 1944 is a another graphic example of what the American post-war car could have looked like.
The 1947-1952 Studebaker’s long pointy tail was the result of extensive consideration of it being built with a rear engine. And it didn’t end there. Rear engines and streamlining were the hot thing, and just about every manufacturer was toying with it.
Even small independents like Checker, with this 1945 prototype. The rear-engined cars promised large passenger cabins, and noisy engine tucked away in back. We could spend all day doing a complete survey of rear-engined prototypes and one-offs, but as we all know, in the end, nobody bit. The costs and challenges of making a new drive-train location or orientation work properly were deemed to be too great for an industry that had become huge and efficient on the basis of the conventional Model T and everything since.
Of course, the Tucker was the exception, a bold realization and update of the Tatra formula. But since only a few were made, its impossible to speculate whether it could have been a viable commercial success, notwithstanding all the other drama around it.
Even in the case of the clean-sheet FWD Kaiser, just the cost of tooling up a new transaxle turned it back to RWD even after it had already been shown in New York in 1946. By the time GM finally and belatedly bit with the rear-engined Corvair, that format’s limitations were already becoming obvious. And the results were certainly not a happy journey, for GM.
So we’re left to speculate what a rear-engined car like a Cadillac or Oldsmobile might have been like, and the Tatra 603 does a fine job of being a stand-in. Obviously, a Harly Earlized version might have been a wee bit gaudier, but let’s take in the bigger-picture issues, like size, packaging, handling and performance.
Realistically, the Olds 88 probably offers the best point of this rather unusual late-night comparison that may look a bit wacky in the light of day. But here goes: the Tatra 603 and the 1949 88 are within three inches of the same overall length. The Olds 303 (5 liter) V8 had 135 hp to pull some 3600 lbs.
The Tatra’s air-cooled rear V8 is half the size, at 2.5 liters. But with hemi-heads, it put out a healthy 94 or 105 hp, and those are bigger European horses, not gross ones. Pushing 3100 lbs, the Tatra had a similar weight/horsepower ratio, and probably had comparable performance, if not better with its four-speed manual transmission. The Czech Rocket.
The Tatra really shines in its interior space and accommodations.
The floor is truly flat, and the column shifter creates lots of room in the middle to play footsies. Obviously, the front wheel wells are intruding a bit, a perpetual challenge with rear-engined cars.
The rear seat is fit for…party bosses. Yes, the Tatra 603’s whole reason for existence was because the Russian luxury sedans that the Czech big wigs were supposed to ride in never showed up, or were troublesome. In the post-war communist planned industrial policy, Tatra had been told to build only trucks, but fortunately a few engineers couldn’t resist developing a modernized version of the 97/600, and worked on it in secret. When the government changed its mind about the Russian cars, Tatra was given the green light to put it the resulting 603 into production, starting in 1955.
The first generation, built until 1962, had a wild three-headlight front end that echoed the similar treatment on the original Tatra 77.
The Model 2-603, built from 1962 through 1968, had this rather unusual beak. Not many of these first two generation noses are still around, because as the older 603s needed overhauling, they were sent back to the factory where they were also updated with many newer components, interior and the gen3 front end.
The final series, the 2-603 II, was built from ’68 until 1975. And its cleaned up front end now graces many earlier updated versions.
The rear end was less changed, and still pays homage to its predecessors’ dorsal fins.
So how does the Tatra 603 perform on the road, and even more impressively, in the snow and off the road? I couldn’t begin to say it in words as eloquently as this movie short, produced specifically to promote the 603’s capabilities. It’s some of the best 15 minutes of vintage car-porn you’ll ever see; don’t miss it:
So was that a happy journey, or not? Impressed? Now you know why I want one so bad. So now comes Part II of this Tatra 603 CC; where I pour my heart and soul out for one.
As we get older, we tend to start tallying up our regrets, all the things we wish we hadn’t done and those we wish we had. I’m not going to delve into the former category, but not acting on a palpable impulse to go to Czechoslovakia in the mid-eighties and bring home a Tatra (or two) is very high on the list of the latter. Back then, the number of folks in the US who were fully aware of the brand was a small fraction of what it is today. But my lust for these goes back much further, to my youngest years as a kid in Austria, where a Tatraplan in my neighborhood first seduced me. So while I’d like to have bragging rights about owning a Tatra, I’ll have to console myself with bragging rights about wanting one longer than anyone else. How sad is that?
Since I’m stuck with wishful thinking (at least for now), the only question being which one to have. The original T77 from 1934 is by far the wildest one, and undoubtedly the rarest and most valuable. When the sun comes out in May, and my mood is borderline manic, it has to be a T77. Parts? Crazy handling? Fragility? Who cares? I’m flying high.
On a nice warm fall day, when my mood is perhaps closest to equilibrium, make it a T87. The much more pragmatic successor to the T77 was specifically designed to be more practical, and the T87 can still be kept on the road, like the folks who drove one across North America via the Arctic Ocean: quite a travelogue.
But today, like most of the past few weeks, it’s socked in; the hills are enshrouded in fog, and the rain valve is leaking badly. On such a day, my thoughts turn to the T603, and not just because this one is black. There’s just something a bit sinister and moody about these cars.
Speaking of sinister and moody, the 603 was a brilliant choice for the movie Lemony Snicket’s A Series of Unfortunate Events, never mind that awesome Imperial limo. Because of copyright issues, there are no videos of it on YouTube anymore. Oh well. If you haven’t seen the movie, do.
Maybe I’ll still get one. I don’t spend time on craigslist or ebay, but a quick search shows that this one sold just three weeks ago for $12,878 on ebay. Hard to believe, but it was adulterated with modern chrome wheels, tires , heavily-tinted windows and a huge subwoofer/sound system taking up the whole trunk. I’m surprised that it wasn’t fully donked with 22s. Tatra: the latest tatas magnet. It just brings home the point that Tatras have gone mainstream. Maybe I don”t want one after all.
On that upbeat note, let me bring this to an (overdue) end by giving you the link to the complete Tatra History here at CC. Now I’ll go watch Happy Journey again, and rejuvenate my 603 lust. It’s not hard.
You won’t want to watch Happy Journey just once. The car is the star, but the film is also a fascinating glimpse into Cold War Era Czechoslovakia. You won’t soon get that whistling theme out of your head.
It’s nice to see the 603 in a bright color scheme (yellow/red). Sets it off nicely against the, um, shall we say, drab surroundings.
What would have been the target audience for such a film? It’s clearly meant to promote Tatra, but I understood that the cars were not available to the public.
Great article, Happy Journey is also on You Tube with a sound track, ” I hear wonders” by David Holms , it really works
Very cool cars and I’ve always wanted to experience one. They seem like what Tucker would have become if the company had survived.
Indeed, with triple headlights and all, in a fifties-modern style. A bit of Photoshopping would make a fun alternate-history: “1953, ’58 and ’63 Tuckers, the Lost Files! In 1949, Czech patriot engineers hijack a freight train, load it with Tatra dies, molds, parts and blueprints and escape to the West. Preston Tucker buys them out and brings them to Detroit as Cold War heroes. The Tatra V-8 immediately goes into production while Tucker prepares for the all-new Tatra-based ’53 models.”
The gen-2 headlights and trim look like a squashed ’60 Edsel.
This is such an amazing article! I know they don’t mean this when they say best things in life are free but still …
Thanks Paul
I’d forgotten about the Lemony Snicket Tatra! What a clip, two of my all-time favorite cars. Given that they appeared in Hollywood’s idea of a mad fantasy world, what does that say about me?
The Three Oceans Tour looks great, can’t wait to read it all. Thanks again Paul!
The cars of the future that didn’t happen. Well, the future isn’t what it used to be.
Hey Paul, this one’s for you.
Paul, you have outdone yourself yet again. Those videos are truly magnificent, a real glimpse into the past. The cool part is how the Czechs still had a sense of humour, something noticeably absent in the East Bloc.
Thank you for the dedication and hard work.
I’m surprised that you made no mention of the Tucker. Although not a success, it bears quite a similarity to the Tatra.
From stories I’ve heard/read, a number of people were taken by men in suits in the night in black Tatras.
I just added it. It was very late, and I have very mixed feelings about the Tucker, which I’ll get into another time. But it certainly deserves mention.
Paul, I hope you do. Tucker was many parts marketing flash and hype, and also parts actual honest engineering of the sort that was sorely lacking in Detroit for many years, and deserves a good CC write up.
Edit: wow, reading is fundamental. Didn’t realize until after I commented this was a repost.
I’ve been scarce on here for a few days – most European cars simply don’t interest me, but the Tatra floats my boat! Great article, and I wish I had something to add other than: “Cool”!
I’m interested in your opinions on Tucker. I haven’t been able to find out if it was a big scam, a sincere failed attempt, or sabotage from Detroit/Wall Street.
Given the considerable amount of help Kaiser-Frazer got from GM, I think we can eliminate the last theory. And unlike Tucker, K-F really had some prospects at the time. For decades, GM was very legitimately concerned about getting broken up by the government, because of its dominance. It was in its interest to see the independents survive.
How about a some mixture of the first two, leaning more to the first? There’s absolutely no question that it was profoundly under-capitalized, and had no real chance in that regard.
The Tucker car was certainly different and advanced in a number of ways, but whether it could have even been built profitably is alone a huge question. Converted helicopter engine? What did that really cost? Etc…..
Trying to stay on topic, Tatras are interesting & I would love to hear more about them, but this is presently listed-
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/02/20/bat-exclusive-tucker-flat-6-garage-find-engine/
I just spent an hour following a Tucker thread at HAMB that was linked at the BAT thread….so goes the time.
I was really looking forward to this the clue was obvious, but I found it too late, then you distract me with the Monaro post. You could sell me a 603 any day, Im not sure if any made it to NZ in V8 guise Ive seen a 4 cylinder model in OZ but never a live 603 all we got from the Chechs were rear engined Skodas and of course the front engine RWD Octavia and Hundreds of Octavia powertrains to build Trekkas from. now back to the movie.
While walking the streets of Naples Italy in 1966 I stumbled across one of these, an original model, red, with the huge fin down the back. Blew me away! To add drama a yellow Cinquecento was parked right behind it.
Later, in 1969, in East Berlin I saw many of the postwar models, clearly cars of officialdom, all painted silver.
About ten years ago at a car show in Vermont, a close-mouthed fellow had his black 603 entered. I expressed admiration for it, but he shrugged it off. Just an “ordinary” car, he said. He appeared to be quite bored with it.
If you can find this guy Paul, perhaps you can get a good deal.
The pre-war Tatras were very interesting, but a motoring blind-alley. The 603 was simply an ugly, ill-handling monstrosity and only existed because of the Iron Curtain. I think you’re better-off with the Scion Xb (though I personally prefer the second-gen shape).
Now you’ve done it. I think I want one too. Imagine how roomy that front compartment could have been with the front wheels moved forward another 10-12 inches.
You do realize that the pictures from the CC Cohort were taken off of eBay, right? Here’s what the “author” has to say about them:
“i didn’t shoot the tatra. i saw it on ebay and downloaded the pix because i so want this car!”
I sure didn’t. I never saw that comment; must have missed it, none of the other pictures had comments. Oh well. Should I erase all of my work? I’ll speak to him privately.
An speaking of the Lemony Snicket Imperial limousine, have you seen this?
http://manonthemove.com/2012/02/17/pauls-junkyard-twilight-%E2%80%93-petaluma-ca/#more-14505
It looks like both the limousine and Tatra 603 from that movie are both in the same junkyard. Pretty cool.
i wouldn’t call it pretty cool. my heart sinks at the sight. nobody was willing to save those cars? hollywood is filled with fools…
Sorry, I worded that completely wrong. The pictures are cool, the situation is not. I simply cannot understand how that Imperial ended up there; it must have been worth a lot of money. Why would someone not pick it up just because of the cool factor? And the same with the Tatra, too. Someone should just go down to that junkyard and buy them both to save them from their fate.
whoa! i can’t take credit for these shots. i saw this car on ebay a few years back and i couldn’t resist downloading the pix before the ad disappeared! i put them on the cohort because i knew you guys would love them as much as i do…
it’s probably my all time favorite design (although, i’m a sucker for the citroen ds, too). my wife actually once bought me the rosenkranz book about the 603 for my birthday. i prefer it to the tatraplan. one thing that amazes me about the 603 is the thought that one of the most innovative cars ever designed was built in a communist dictatorship. the czechs must really love cars to build that while the russians were cranking out second rate fiat clones.
The 60s Skoda MB sedan looks like a 603 shrunk in the wash including rear engine but only a 4 banger
safe as milk: Please note this line at the top of the CC Cohort: Welcome to Curbside Classic Cohort (CCC) a place where all CC readers can share their own CC finds. “Finds” is defined as cars you find on the street or elsewhere and shoot, not download from the web. I do feel slightly taken, given how late I stayed up last night. Eventually, someone would have found one on their own….Please, no more downloads at the Cohort.
sorry, paul. i won’t do it again. i did list on the first photo’s description that these were from an ebay ad and they do have the ebay logo in the corner.
oh, wait. i may not have included the one with the description on the cohort. really sorry, paul. i will remove them.
I posted a few more pictures on the Cohort pool of a Tatra 603 I saw a month ago at a car show at Mornington near Melbourne, Australia. I think it was the second time I’ve seen one, and they are larger than what you might think, about the same size as a 50’s American car although the overall shape is quite different.
Doesn’t get much cooler than a rear-mounted air-cooled V8 and Soviet locomotive looks. The 603 deserves to be as widely-admired as the CItroen DS.
In the mid-90s I ran a Citroen DS20 in London. Soon after I bought it, I was pulling into a parking lot, smug in the knowledge that everybody was looking at me… except they weren’t. Looking in the mirror, I saw that I was being followed by a Tatra 603. Completely upstaged.
I’ve wanted a 603 since I saw my first one in Wheels magazine in the 80s. And then one of the editors in one of Britain’s classic car magazines had one that he was doing a mobile restoration on in the 90s, so there were interesting updates on it each month for some time. Although I’ve never seen a 603, I consider it a huge blessing to have seen the beautiful T77 in the Southward Car Museum here – I think Bryce took some shots of it on his trip there recently. All such fascinating cars and pointers to what might have been.
I first saw a Tatra in a Car and Driver article in 1998. It was a T700, always wanted one after reading that.
That was most enjoyable Paul. I was quite impressed with the handling (although no doubt a pro at the wheel). It’s certainly hard to imagine throwing around 50’s Detroit iron like that… The 3 headlight front end does look like something out of a sci-fi movie though. “The Car That Ate Prague!”
I have one of the few three headlight T603-1’s in the USA (or in the world for that matter). Mine was built in 1957, and is a very early production T603-1. I plan to start working on it soon after getting some other work done on other cars. I do provide parts and repair services for Tatras in the USA. The later T603-2 are easier to find, and parts are not terribly scarce, but they are getting more expensive……
Hi Kenneth. I just found the picture of your tatra 603-1 and must say that it looks beautiful. If you ever decide to sell it, please let me know, because I am interested to buy it. I basically grew up with that car because my father used to own one when I was a little boy. I currently have one in process of restoration, but would like to have one in the original condition. Cheers. Ivan
A friend found one of these three headlight models hidden away in a shed at a rural hotel he stayed at in the Chech Republic, the owner was planning a restoration and had two of them one in wrecked condition but the shedded cars was quite good Ive seen pictures of them my friend took, he hasnt been back to look and his inlaws he is in contact with dont live near the site so what happened to it Ive no idea but the owner was aware of its rarity even in its home country.
Hi. I am interested to buy even a wreck if it is still available. Would it be please possible to get a contact to the owner or address of that place in Czech republic? Feel free to email me to: tatra@email.com
Thanks.
Ivan
Just for a pleasure of your eyes… this is a finished Tatra 603-1 finished last year.
If the VW Type 1 was a beetle, then the first two generations of the 603 were science fiction mutant insects! I hope to see one in the metal one of these days.
Just read a San Francisco Chronicle feature in “My Ride” about a bay area fellow who owns and drives a 1951 T600.
Another Tatra fan, especially the 603’s – and not just because I’m of Slovak ancestry on both sides of the family.
I’ve always been incredibly fascinated by what could have been during the WWII years, if Detroit had actually followed their imagination and come up with designs the were different, advanced, and forward thinking. However, it was much cheaper to just restyle the same old engine-in-the-front-rear-drive-stuff-an-automatic-transmission in it cars. The American buyer was stupid enough to think this was hot stuff. Besides, those oversized, ill-handling, thirsty, bloated barges make such a nice canvas for padded vinyl roofs and French whorehouse interiors.
The things that could have been: Aerodynamic cars with modern performance on smaller, more efficient engines. Square four Hudson sedans. Torpedo bodies with incredibly good visibility (ok, so that means no Camaro). Tucker’s that were fast, safe and could handle.
The Czechs had it right – its a shame the system of government that was forced upon them made sure the design never had a chance to grow.
Sinister and moody fits these Tatras perfectly. Especially that T77. It seems like a car with these looks was portrayed as the ride of some evil character in some of the classic Warner Bros. cartoons. I think some of the cars would move along with a very unusual sound like they had some sort of alternate technology power train.
The postwar production car was not likely something you wanted to see pull up to your door unexpectedly. Seems like a date with your fate.
“Sinister and moody” , indeed. I you have a chance to look the Gavras movie “The Confession” you will see a lot of Tatras (among others) full with sinister people, full in power, full in action. Bastards.
Check out the Tampa Bay Auto Museum in St. Petersburg, Florida. You will not be disappointed. I went there in 2009 and there were many many Tatra’s there. An NSU, many early Mercedes, and even a DeLorean!
Actually Porsche built a four-door rear engined (V6) prototype (Type 542) for Studebaker in the mid 1950s. Studebaker-Packard executive John Z. DeLorean axed the project.
http://www.studebaker-info.org/studeporsche/stude-porsche08.html
Was that before or after VW paid damages for patent theft to Tatra? 😛
I don’t think DeLorean was really an executive, but he was a young engineer at Packard. In his book, he recounted that after the merger, he had a chance to go to South Bend but chose not to. Hard to figure. Anyway, that’s when he got a job at Pontiac in their engineering department.
I am surprised that the car on ebay hit only $13.000. In good condition, they go for at least CZK 700.000 = $35.000 back home in the Czech Republic. Assuming that restoring it to original condition would not be too hard (taking out the subwoofers, changing wheels, etc.), I think that the owner could have gotten a much better deal if he sent the car for sale to Prague.
What a car. I got a ride in one back around 1990. When told, my buddy Garrett asked,
“Does it have a Czech engine light?”
It was definitely an experience that started with me reading a Classic Car article on a 63 603 restoration to a buddy’s phone call two days later wondering if Peugeot made a 603 (I was driving a 604 V6 SL at the time), and I said “noooo. . . . but Tatra did.” Figuring the impossibility of seeing one on the street in Cleveland two days after reading an article on one. “What’s it look like?” I asked. “Like a big fish. With a split rear window.” I dropped everything and drove clear across town. Czech plates, and dry rot but damn, it was a 63 just like the one here and in the article. The owner came out and was pleased with our enthusiasm and in a heavy Czech accent invited us into the car for a ride. It was not really fit to drive but off we went, uninsured and unlicensed onto the suburban freeway. Did I mention the dry rot? One cooling fan belt let go and we drifted off to the shoulder and within a minute one of Beachwood’s finest stopped. While our host was waving a Czech registration and speaking in Czech to the policeman, I sat there and meekly smiled. The cop stifled a smile and shook his head and looked at me, and I explained (in English!) that I don’t really know this man, but he sure is nice and you will never see one of these cars again ever, etc etc. So he gave us a gentle push off the freeway and took us to a phone booth (remember those?) so the Czech man could call his son to pick us up and arrange for a tow.
What a ride!
Great story!
As the fortunate owner of both a 603 and a Tatraplan in Australia, I can assure those that decry the handling as poor that they have probably never driven one. If they had, they would not make such a comment. I drive mine frequently and it is much better than most 1960’s American barges – and before you comment on that, I also own a 1960 Buick Electra 225 4 door hardtop !
These cars were the equal of anything coming out of Europe at the time, particularly Germany, and I also own many Mercedes of the period.
Very interesting article!
The Americans weren’t the only ones looking east for inspiration.
Renault, right after the war, went tail-happy as well. The 4CV (and later models, i.e. Dauphine, R8, etc.) were definitely aping the VWs and (smaller) Tatras. But after the launch of their small rear-engined car, Renault needed to launch a mid-range/executive model.
They tried to backwards-engineer a Tatra… and failed. The “French Tatra”, Renault Projet 108, went through various design stages in 1947-49 — some even had a dorsal fin — and one has survived:
http://fregate.over-blog.com/article-24301384.html
Apparently, the handling was so atrocious and projected tooling costs so prohibitive that Renault execs pulled the plug on this and went for the traditional FR layout instead. The result was rushed to production as the 1951 Fregate, aimed at the 11CV Traction Avant, which was 15 years old by then. The Fregate was a commercial failure and never made a dent in Citroen’s sales, though Renault tried peddling them until 1960.
What a great website!!!!
has the Tatra film ever been shown behind the iron curtain? The Police did not look very competent. The film looked more like an advertisement for Gangsters looking for a new car!
Great site!
Jörg from Germany
Awesome story. I love the shape of the Tatra T603. It’s a shame that it was never offered here in the USA. I can imagine it competing against the likes of Porsche, the Corvair, perhaps the Mercedes-Benz and possibly Volkswagen. This looks more comfortable than the Beetle.
Twice the size of a Beetle. I can see the Mercedes or Corvair competition but VW sold on economy and Porsche on sports car performance… Neither of those are the Tatra’s world.
Definately would be of the Tucker style if Tucker had been a sucess in the early to mid 50s.Another one of those cars that was years ahead of its time.Inside seems thoroughly American in design and concept.
I agree. I’ve always liked these rear-engined rear-wheel drive cars. My favourite examples are the Volkswagen Type 2 (Bus), the 1964 Corvair Greenbrier, the 1948 Tucker Torpedo, and the Tatra T87.
The Czechs had another rear drive car called the Skoda. We saw a lot of these while traveling through Yugoslavia in 1967. Many were escaping the communist take over of Czechoslavakia
I meant the Skoda was rear engine car. They also make street cars that we see in Portland.
We had those in New Zealand some still survive the later models rusted furiously but were fairly robust mechanically, in fact Skodas sold quite well here, a friend of mine visited the Skoda museum in Prague quite a place and interesting cars.
I like the black Tatra 603, with the headlamps spread out a bit from each other.
The 1998 film Hilary and Jackie has a brief sequence of the cellist Jacqueline du Pré riding in a Tatra 603.
The real big problem with rear engines is that you can’t get a big trunk since the front wheels need clearance to turn.
I think crash safety is a potential issue too – what will the crumpling characteristics of the front-loaded cargo be?
Who says Commies didn’t understand advertising. Saw a lot of these in mid 70s East Berlin. Always like the unusual styling. My other favorite was the old Packard look-alike Zil limousine with the Russian push button transmission controls.
Oh, eff yes! The T603 kind of fascinates me. This fabulous promo film is improved or sullied (depending on your taste) by this overdub job.
It’s always been a fascinating topic to me why the US auto industry, which produced tens of thousands of complex, high-tech (for the times) aircraft and other weaponry during the Way, could or would not translate any of that expertise toward post-war car production. American cars after WWII remained stuck largely in depression-era technology, with their basic underpinnings not really changing much for some three or four decades hence.
European manufacturers, on the other hand, literally rose from the ashes to produce far better, more advanced products and Detroit never really (arguably) caught up until the mid-1980’s or ’90s. I know, I know…volume, cost and profits ruled to day. But still…
You could argue that with things like the Corvair, 215 Buick V8, turbocharging etc that GM tried new technology and had its fingers burnt. But perhaps that was too much, too soon and should not have precluded the same sort of development that was going on in other countries such as overhead cams, fuel injection and disc brakes where the US manufacturers lagged behind.
When I looked through the comments from 2013, I was surprised to come across Kenneth Ufheil. He was my brother’s good friend at the high school outside Dallas, Texas. Over the times, Kenneth had went through different cars and ended up with four-eyed Tatra 603 and Tatraplane (or T87, I couldn’t remember). Seeing the photo of three-eyed 603 in his comment was a surprise because Kenneth had set his sight on ‘unmolested’ 603 for a long time.
I had a privilege of driving his 603 once, and driving experience was indeed very interesting for me. The shifting pattern is reversed with first where the third should be and third where the first, forcing me to remind me where the first gear was and to watch how I shifted as not to explode the transaxle.
What a small world, I (re?)read his comment and wondered how the restoration went.
Aha, mein alt Freund Oliver aka “Mr CC”. Wie gehts mit dir? Sind beide Eltern im gute gesundheit? Und dein bruder Andreas? Das vier augen (breite) T603 bj 1967 ist seit August 2001 verkauft. Bei der moment ich habe mein Drei Augen 603-1 bj 1957 immer noch, wartet auf die Restaurierung. Ich wiederkommen nach Deutschland naechster jahre, zu arbeiten auf ein Hudson Hornet Kabriolet. Gruesse aus Texas.
If a larger percentage of the US car fleet had become rear-engine, more drivers would have gotten used to the different handling characteristics. And the braking and traction characteristics of a rear engine full sized car would have made it popular in wintry areas.
However (and I am speaking as a Corvairophile), there are some basic design and engineering issues that are harder to address in the rear engine platform. Rear engine station wagons do not work well because the engine is in the way. Designing in a lot of trunk space is more difficult, and drivers can’t prop the trunk lid open to carry oversized cargo. Do you make the engine water or air cooled? If water cooled, either you have the additional weight of the radiator and coolant in back, plus assuring it adequate airflow, or you put it up front which requires a lot of plumbing and cuts into cargo room. If you go with air cooling, you have more noise and you have to figure out how to heat the cabin. Emission control can be harder with air cooling. Air conditioning for rear engine cars presents additional challenges, which you know if you have ever seen an air-conditioned Corvair.
I finally saw a Tatra last weekend at a car show in Stowe Vermont. It was black like the one above and there was a continuous crowd around the open engine compartment. I didn’t think to check the license plate to see where it was from – this show draws cars from all over New England, New York, Quebec, and a few from Ontario.
“About ten years ago at a car show in Vermont, a close-mouthed fellow had his black 603 entered. I expressed admiration for it, but he shrugged it off. Just an “ordinary” car, he said. He appeared to be quite bored with it”.
This was part of my comment on Feb 21, 2012, see above. (I was known as Edsel Cord then). If my 10 year estimate in 2012 was correct, he has been showing it for at least 15 years. Was he still pretty blase about it? (This was the Stowe Vermont show, as well).
Thanks for all this information and all the comments. I have always admired Tatra automobiles from when I was a youngster and learned of them. I once asked a friend who lived in Armenia when it was part of the USSR as to the price of these Tatras. His answer was that he did not know because most of these automobiles were bartered between Soviet satellite countries for food and other manufactured goods. They were definitely for Communist Party elite when used within the Soviet Union.
It wasn’t only between Eastern bloc countries that happened – in the 1980s Lada exports to Australia were paid for with wheat instead of currency!
New Zealand bought Lada motor cars and Belarus tractors with butter.
Argentina paid for ZiU trolleybuses with wine in the mid-80s
Another movie with Tatras is Costa-Gavras’ “The Confession:”
We’ve visited Jamaica several times in 1990’s and early 2000’s and there were, at the time, a confluence of LADAs. on one visit we took a tour from Montego Bay to Ocho Rios and somewhere roughly half way between was a sort of a small port town with several crusty old large ships docked. Everything in the area was covered with a heavy red dust including the ships. I asked the tour guide what was the usage of the ships and what was the coat of dust on everything. She said that the dust was from local bauxite mining and that the ships were Russian and were there to be loaded with bauxite ore to be taken back to Russia. She told us that Jamaica trades bauxite ore for LADAs. She also said that when traffic courts convened the first thing that the judge does is separate the LADA drivers from the rest of the transgressors as the LADA drivers were considered crazy behind the wheel and are processed separately. Just a little addition the the posts just above relating bartering done between countries.
Several have posted on museums where Tatras can be viewed. I have one for the Tatra freaks here. If you’re ever anywhere near Nashville TN, DO NOT fail to visit ‘Lane Motor Museum. Jeff Lane has put together a monstrous variety of cars and motor cycles in a neat old bread factory with wood-block parqueted floors. He probably has one of the largest Tatra collections outside the old ‘Iron Curtain’. There are also so many other unique and ultra rare, some ‘one-only’, vehicles that for someone like me who loves to study the different ways that enterprising minds have solved transportation/mechanical challenges over the decades, it’s like a ‘kid-in-a-candy-store’ situation. I’m sure that they still maintain a website with a list of contents. I went through a ‘Micro-Car’ phase a decade or so ago and micros are well represented there.