Bliss /blis/ noun : The definition in Webster’s should be “That feeling you get when on a road trip with the kids and you realize that they are separated by so much space that they can’t put peanut butter in each other’s ears or even reach each other.” And that is exactly what we have here in the form of a van that a fully upright human (well, most anyway) can walk around in and choose any one of 12 seating places. And if that’s not enough, there’s a longer one available with a 170″ wheelbase (as opposed to the 144″-er here) that adds another row for three more people (or one more teen) to spread out in.
The Sprinter is pretty much the grand-daddy of the new wave of “Euro-Vans” that has been sweeping the nation over the last few years, in fact over here it dates back to 2001 when it was originally sold as a Freightliner (a heavy truck brand owned by Mercedes). A couple of years later it was also sold as a Dodge, and then finally as the real thing, a Mercedes-Benz complete with three-pointed star on both ends.
Interestingly, the current line can also be purchased through and badged as a Freightliner if one prefers. Sales are currently at a high of around 30,000 units annually in the United States with many sold as work vans, commercial shuttles and the basis for medium-sized RVs, but more and more private individuals are purchasing them off the showroom floor to either just drive them as is or to convert them themselves into their own RV.
Several years ago Mercedes introduced a 4×4 version over here and then for 2019 a redesign occurred with many differences both cosmetically and under the skin, which is representative of the version we drove. I’ve seen people driving them around (they aren’t uncommon here in Colorado) and relished the opportunity to see what it was all about for myself.
Not surprisingly the first impression is of how large it is; the 4×4 version rides about 3.5″ higher than the RWD version and with the high roof that allows people up to about 6’3″ to walk around inside with bumping their head (that 3.5″ figure is from the Mercedes website but it feels like more). The exterior measures 117″ inches tall, add the rear AC unit on top of that and it is more than 10 feet in height. Driving around my neighborhood I was constantly driving around low hanging trees (that I never considered as low-hanging previously) and I didn’t dare try to go into a drive-thru anything.
The second impression is that this is definitely a Utility Vehicle first and not a luxury cruiser as most Americans have been conditioned to think of Mercedes. Of course Mercedes has a very long and successful history of building all manner of utility vehicles, trucks, taxis, etc, but at first glance things such as the steel wheels and the unpainted black plastic bumpers can seem a little “off” to those not in the know.
Opening the door presents a further dose of utility as the interior of this passenger van is clad throughout in black, with the dashboard and all other plastics being of the hard (we call that durable) variety and the seats at least clad in leatherette (an optional extra, cloth is standard). The headliner is cloth however, in a slightly patterned black motif as are the insides of the A-pillars, which strikes one as slightly odd as there are countless other vehicles with less utility-oriented materials inside where these are plastic.
Note that once that door is open and ready for entry, in the 4×4 version it’s a deliberate climb up to the seat, it’s high, and the driver will use the steering wheel and perhaps the door panel to get on up there and the passenger will use a combination of the door and a grab handle. If you think the average SUV or large pickup is far off the ground, this is much higher.
Once up there however, the immense windshield presents a view unlike many other vehicles. (the picture above sadly does not do it justice). The seating position allows those in front to see OVER almost every other vehicle on the road, and leaves one only a bit below the position of a big rig driver. Non-4×4 models sit about 5″ lower, which still puts the seating position higher than most SUV drivers.
The wheel is a typical Mercedes wheel in every respect except that it isn’t leather covered (an option), it’s just a molded urethane unit with the left spoke containing some controls for the trip computer and settings, more or less identical to other Mercedes models including a touch sensitive button that lets one scroll through menus etc. The handbrake is similarly a large plastic affair right next to the driver’s seat, and operated manually (but can be replaced by an electric unit for a small upcharge).
Starting the engine is done via a button and it fired up quickly and fairly quietly. In this unit it was a turbodiesel V6 but with the windows rolled up, there is no diesel-like sound inside. There is engine noise, but not recognizably diesel-like, however from the outside it sounds as one would expect.
Incidentally the Sprinter is now also available with a gasoline-fed turbocharged 4-cylinder engine, however in the 4×4 models the turbodiesel V6 is required. (Europe also has an electric Sprinter on offer, along with a FWD version now as does much of the competition – if you think you’re seeing a lot of these types of vans around the countryside over here, that’s nothing compared to the market on other continents, these vans are absolutely ubiquitous, sort of like pickups here.)
The driver’s seat is firm, manually adjustable with a handle underneath for fore and aft movement, a wheel at the front side to raise or lower the front edge of the cushion, and another wheel at the back side to infinitely adjust the backrest angle. The whole seat can be raised or lowered by pumping a lever on the side. Lumbar is powered and four-way, and just in case anyone thinks that driver comfort is not one of the aims here, there is also an extendable thigh cushion that extended further than any I have ever seen one do in any sports sedan and frankly was too long for me to use fully extended.
There’s also a folding armrest on the inside to help keep you in place and I found it all very usable and comfortable for distance driving. My wife however found the passenger seat (which has the same adjustments as the driver’s seat) to be less comfortable for her, but she is much shorter than I am and likes a more plush seat, so as we all know, seat comfort is extremely subjective.
The seats in back are in rows of three seats per with the last row being four across. Every position has its own three-point belt with the shoulder strap integrated into the backrest, there are no dangling seatbelts everywhere/anywhere.
Every position also has their own foldout cupholder at knee level and there is a charge port and phone holder on the wall at the end of every row. A distracted and occupied passenger is a happy passenger which makes for a happy driver.
Since I broached the subject of cupholders, I have to point out that Mercedes did learn some lessons from their tie-up with Chrysler, the minivan cupholder king. To wit, the driver and passenger each get two cupholders in the center console area and ANOTHER two cupholders on top of the dashboard in front of them. That’s two each up there, not two total, for a grand total of eight. Then the double door pockets on either side have provisions to hold more cups or bottles on top of that. There is no need to go thirsty in a Sprinter, my friends.
The dashboard is also more utility-like, while well laid out with an easy to read set of instruments that are very much on the sparse side (most info is available in the digital screen inlaid within the gauges), and a large center panel that has a large screen available, but in this instance was merely equipped with a basic AM/FM radio and some more cubbies. Bluetooth is available and when paired makes a curiously lovely trilling/ringing sound to denote an incoming call.
Seats in back have plenty of legroom with the choicest seats being in the row immediately aft of the front seats for the most room and the center seat of that row for ultimate legroom between the front seats and a view out through the windshield, but the rows further back aren’t cramped either and have the bonus of a more panoramic sideways field of vision through the immense window panels. This may be one instance where a panoramic sunroof might be something I would enjoy but is not available. Or perhaps those upper edge windows like an old “Alpen”-tour bus.
The rows of passenger seats can be removed, leaving a flat load floor, however I did not attempt to do so. They look sort of heavy and would likely need at least two people to remove to ensure no damage occurs, either to the van, the seat, or the person…There is no carpeting whatsoever, just a hose-out or at least broom-out and wipe-down surface.
With all seats in place, there is still a lot of cargo space in the rear with strong-looking tie-down loops embedded in the floor. If someone decided to remove one or more rows of seats, of course that cargo space would get even bigger.
The rear doors open a full 180 degrees and hold themselves in place on moderate inclines. After opening them I noticed the one quality lapse on this one, this van (which had over 7000 miles on it) had a delaminating rear upper door pad, and the outer skin of it was dangling.
Of course I have no knowledge of who used the van or how they used it, it’s certainly possible this was due to some external factor, but the vinyl cover was split at the seam, it’s a similar construction to an older vinyl covered sunvisor. Other than that everything was tight and rattle-free, save the sliding door which caused a slight rattle over bumps on colder mornings, however once warmed up slightly that ceased as well and likely something that could be adjusted easily if a tech can replicate it on a colder morning.
The side door is a slider (passenger side only) and requires a hefty pull but then slides quickly and solidly into place (power door optional). You do have to be of a certain height to use it, my smaller kid above had a bit of trouble as he was too short to pull the handle out laterally to get it to release, instead he was pulling with more of a downward motion.
Pretty much all of these types of vans now incorporate the same clever fuel filler flap that is by default locked if the driver’s door is closed as it is trapped by it. Opening the driver’s door allows one to open the fuel filler flap and refill the tank. Handy to always have it locked without any thought, but caution is required when filling the tank, any splashback due to trying to fill it further than designed has the potential for fuel to splash into the driver’s compartment, especially if wind is present.
As mentioned above, the engine is a turbodiesel V6, specifically one sized at 3liters and producing 188hp at 3800rpm and 325lb-ft of torque at 1400-2400rpm. Mated to that is Mercedes’ 7-speed automatic transmission, controlled by a similar column-mounted “wand” that is present in much of the brand’s SUV range. Shifter paddles are also included, likely less to indulge your inner Lewis Hamilton and more to hold a specific gear.
In practice, I found the engine to be pleasant to drive, except for whenever setting off from a stop. Perhaps altitude has something to do with it (5000feet at my lowest point, 7200 at my highest) and heat seemed to exacerbate the issue. When starting there was very little power for longer than many other turbodiesels I’ve driven seem to generate (including other turbodiesel 3liter V6’s such as the one I am driving this week) and when I gave it more gas it would still feel flat but then the boost would come on and it would surge forward. Weight may well be another factor, the base weight of this vehicle is close to 6500 pounds with driver and fuel. Objects at rest tend to remain at rest and so on as we learned in Physics 101…
It never ended up feeling very natural to try to modulate my foot more without a lot of concentration, and in the instance that I parked the van in Laramie in the hot sun the morning I drove up there and then went somewhere half an hour later it seemed even laggier, perhaps due to heat soak in the engine compartment mixed with the thin air, although the hood scoop/vent on the left side does directly feed the intake to help.
Now, once underway, everything was great, it’s a revvy engine (for a diesel) that has no compunction about swinging around the dial and is quick to downshift when needed. Its comfort spots seemed to be around 45-50 mph, a normal byway cruising speed where everything is very quiet and power is plentiful when desired, and somewhere between 65 and 70mph, where the combination of tire, road, and wind noise combine to make one have to raise their voice to be understood by the front passenger. It would still accelerate from those speeds, but the van is limited to 90mph and doesn’t seem to really like travelling near that speed.
Cornering was better than expected, yes it’s a tall van and it does lean a bit, but as long as one is cognizant of road conditions and recommended cornering speed signage, there is no danger of tipping. Corners can be tackled at fairly normal road speeds, similar to an average SUV or truck, not a sportscar of course.
Sprinters come equipped with “Crosswind Assist”, something that anyone with any experience driving a van in windy conditions can readily appreciate. If the van is traveling in excess of 50mph and senses a crosswind, the van will gently apply the windward side’s brakes to “steer” the van toward it in order to keep it traveling straight.
I didn’t drive it in any abnormally high winds but didn’t find myself ever sawing at the wheel either so presumably it works although I never actually felt it. I’ve driven enough vans in my life to know the feeling (it’s not fun) and this one was very stable even when driving through a massive rainstorm on the way back from Wyoming.
When the urge to head up into them thar hills strikes, the 4×4 system is activated by a switch on the dashboard, it is recommended that the van is stopped as a pair of spur gears are activated by an electric motor in the differential, once activated dropping it into Drive allows the van to move forward and engage the spur gears thus locking it into 4WD.
When looking underneath the van, the reason for the ride height increase quickly becomes apparent. The transfer case hangs down from behind the transmission and has a driveshaft that runs back toward the front. The front subframe is lowered (thus keeping actual ground clearance under it and the rear differential about the same as RWD models) and above it is the differential and lateral half-shafts.
Note that there are no skidplates of any sort and only really one double crossbar that kind of (maybe) protects the transfer case from a hit from the front. Without care it would seem to be easily possible to make contact with the front subframe, rear differential, transfer case and the long 24.5 gallon fuel tank mounted under the floor.
I presume anyone “overlanding” with a Sprinter 4×4 equips their van with a set of protective equipment but as equipped from the factory, the 4×4 is set up more for adverse weather conditions than for serious off-road action – for example it would be far better suited to transport a dozen skiers from the lodge in Vail to the ski lift area than to take a family camping well off any marked and maintained roads where rocks and boulders may be present. The ride height increase is deceiving in that regard as I think most people are conditioned to believe that a greater ride height means more ground clearance etc but obviously that’s not necessarily the case. The main advantage is in approach, departure, and breakover angles here but the reason for it is entirely to accommodate the mechanical differences versus the RWD version.
Mercedes equips the 4×4 with a low-range button that when activated reduces the gear ratios by about 40% with a commensurate increase in torque and decrease in speed. Activating it simply requires the press of another dashboard button, of course the 4×4 needs to be engaged first. There is no limitation to traveling in 4WD on any surface or at any speed and supposedly even the fuel mileage remains similar. The left button below engages the 4WD, the other button that looks like hill descent control in reverse actually engages the Low Range. The remaining four buttons are presumably for features not present on this van. Or for you to add toggle switches to control a big row of KC Hi-Lites along the top of the cab!
Buttons are nice and convenient to have, their placement could be better though as they are buried next to the steering column and require looking down and around the steering wheel to select the correct one. There really is enough dashboard space to raise these much higher.
I drove the van off paved roads for about 25 miles, the vast majority of that in RWD. I only really needed to put it into 4WD once, when I stopped in the middle of a somewhat steep hill (it was much steeper than the photo above makes it appear). In 2WD the rear tires started to spin, but in 4WD it just hooked up and pulled me up the hill.
The tires themselves are not at all off-road oriented, but rather highway-treaded light truck tires. Obviously that’s an easy thing to change along with skidplates for the dedicated off-roader. Grip though was good on loose surfaced roads and dirt trails such as what can be seen in some of these pictures.
The power is split 35/65 front/rear and doesn’t contain any mechanically locking differentials, any wheelspin is handled by the Electronic Traction System (4ETS) by utilizing the ABS sensors and braking any spinning wheel(s). By braking a wheel with lowered traction, the recovered torque can be sent to and utilized by the other (non-braked) wheels.
It works and seemed seamless to me, however as I’ve stated in the past I’m far more familiar with on-road AWD systems than rock-crawling 4WD systems and what works best where. My sense is that for the average van driver and even the more adventurous sort, this van is very well capable of getting someone very far from civilization as long as common sense is employed.
Gas (ok, Diesel) mileage for this weight class isn’t required to be on the window sticker so I had no idea what it “should” do in that regard. I drove it for about 325 miles in total which was mainly in two larger segments along with some in-town mileage. First I drove up to Laramie and back along with about 25 miles off-road for a total of about 175 miles and then 30 or so more miles at home in town. I then filled up after 209 miles and it took 12.2 gallons to refill it so just over 17mpg.
After filling it we drove up to Estes Park for the day with the family and back for another 95 miles and then more in town mileage the next day. The trip computer which I had reset after fueling and before leaving for Estes Park claimed 18mpg from that point on. So somewhere between 17 and 18mpg seems about right at this altitude. Curiously diesel fuel is currently cheaper than unleaded around here, averaging just under $2/gallon which was a nice bonus though it’s likely to not remain that way.
However for those that had been thinking that this van is either a slightly bigger version of the average minivan or a great substitute for a plush 7-8 passenger SUV, you’d be mistaken. This van is far larger than any minivan and seems larger than a traditional American full-size van of yore. While equipped with superior dynamics than the older full-sizers (and far preferable to those, I hasten to add), driving this around town for daily chores etc is nothing like piloting a minivan which invariably drive more like a normal (if large) FWD car.
This is not like that at all. It’s harder to see out of to the rear, thank goodness for the rear-view camera in the rear-view mirror which works but would be much improved with a bigger screen in the center console. It is more ponderous and nowhere near as nimble, parking is more difficult, and simply getting in and out is more difficult.
As far as comparing to a large SUV, this is not nearly as fast on any road, is louder at highway speeds, is not anywhere as “luxurious” as most of those, and while it can haul more people and cargo, that is due to its size, packaging, and mission.
I’m not at all saying it’s a bad vehicle, it isn’t, but it is not like the vehicles of those other segments and not a good substitute for either if one of those works well for what is needed. As much as some of us for example tend to (sometimes unfairly) denigrate those who we think drive around in large pickups for example without a purpose for doing so, those people that drive these vans around town and don’t use them for their real purpose (carrying lots of cargo or many people or camping etc) but merely as a lifestyle accessory are even more ridiculous. It’s not really “fun” to drive, sort of like renting a U-Haul 26-footer stops being “fun” after the first ten minutes of driving it.
It has some excellent aspects and serves multiple very valuable purposes but is a vehicle that should probably be bought and enjoyed based almost entirely on “need”, rather than simply “want”. I will point out that curiously nobody seemed to take any issue whatsoever with the fact that I drove it by myself with eleven empty seats much of the time, instead it got more attention and random people walking by stopping to ask questions than any other vehicle I’ve tested since an Alfa Romeo sedan last summer. People assume that if you drive a van, you need to, I guess.
A van equipped like this one starts at $48,990, that’s for the 12passenger version with the high roof. (4×4 is extra). This includes Front and Rear A/C systems (that worked great in this black van in 90degree heat this week), 16″ steel wheels with 245/75-16 LT tires, 3.923 rear axle ratio, Trailer pre-wiring with a 5000lb tow rating, 24.5gallon fuel tank, Fuel-fired heater booster (18,000BTU), the Crosswind Assist, Side and Window area Airbags for the driver and passenger, a FMVSS 217 Emergency Exit (!) for those in back, Luxury Interior Trim with USB-C ports (but no regular USB ports that I could find), Keyless Start, and the AM/FM Radio with five speakers in front and eight in the back along with various other features that you can find detailed on the MBVans.com website.
Options include the big one, that being the Low and High Range 4×4 package at $7,800. Jet Black non-metallic paint costs $1,015 which heats the van like an oven in the sun, no need for that unless you live in Northern Alaska. The Black Leatherette seating surfaces cost $400 (feels the same as in a GLS), Cruise Control and Comfort Front Seats that normally cost $700 combined but were offset with a credit on the sticker, Armrests on the door panels for $33 (nicely trimmed little soft pads for your elbow, at only $33 for the set I want a few more to place around the house!), the Driver Convenience Package at $1,210 (Blind Spot Assist which is a must and heated power mirrors along with a hinged door for the glovebox on top of the dashboard), and then the destination charge at $1,195 for a grand total of $61,333.
There are tons of other options available, both luxury-oriented as well as functional – you can spec the tires from several choices, or even pay extra for specific ones for example, or set different speed limiters, or have the wheels painted to match the body, or make the sliding door powered, you get the idea, the sky is sort of the limit, it’s kind of fun to see what all is available and some are not at all unreasonably priced (painting the wheels this same body color is $77 for example).
If you “need” something like this and can use the 4×4 there hasn’t been much else like it to date, however Ford does now have the Transit in 4WD form as well, but RAM does not and likely won’t. The build quality is excellent, Mercedes has been building Sprinters since 1995 and many other van lines before it and has much experience in cargo as well as passenger transport. The van was solidly built, seemed well thought out, and was easy to use.
And of course in certain circles pulling up to the campfire or ski lift in a Mercedes vs a Ford is worth something too. I’ve not driven but have seen the Ford and the 4×4 one doesn’t ride as high as the Mercedes, precisely that trait (the higher ride) is what people seem to value in this van. #VanLife is alive and well in America, and shows no signs of abating, it’ll be interesting to watch the battle going forward.
Thank you very much to Mercedes-Benz for arranging the loan of the van along with a tank of diesel fuel and for being available to answer some technical questions when needed.
My niece’s family (four small kids) has one of these. When you have a large family and need to ride in a single vehicle (with strollers and other kid stuff), your choices are limited and by definition are going to be large.
Full-sized vans used to be a common way of doing this (we had a conversion Chevy van when I was growing up), but they seem to have fallen by the wayside to SUVs. Vans still make a lot of sense in this role, with their ability to move around inside standing up (or nearly so).
This is a fascinating van. While overkill for my use case, it will no doubt be ideal for quite a few. It is not hard to see this Sprinter being used by someone wanting to explore the west in a self-contained fashion.
It’s also good to hear this was so well planted to the ground. With the ride height and overall height it looks tipsy although appearances can certainly be deceiving.
The variety of vehicles you are getting is amazing. I’m looking forward to reading about the next one – whatever that may be.
Next time ask Benz for a Sprinter with a so called Imbiss Aufbau. The kids can take care of the Currywürste while you’re behind the wheel.
Needless to say -Jim already mentioned it- that the whole continent here is littered with Sprinters in an endless variety of both panel van and chassic-cab set-ups. Over the past years, the Sprinter has also become our seemingly mandatory ambulance, example below.
Now a 4×4 Sprinter is another story. I never saw one here, otherwise I would have noticed its stance. All new to me, very interesting to read and see. I’m sure they find a good home in countries like Austria and Switzerland.
Just keep on reviewing!
Oddly enough, here in Portugal were starting to see a resurgence of the Ford Transit in the ambulance market,
threatening the dominance of both the Sprinter and its ex-brother, the Crafter.
Those seemed to be the only models to ever get painted yellow for the National Medical Emergency Institute.
Lately, as a breath of fresh air, were starting to see Transits, Masters and some places are even picking up Hyundai H350s!
Some variety, always good. By the way, Hyundai commercial vehicles are not offered on our market.
This is an interesting vehicle. Big modern passenger vans are really rare around the midwest. The 144 inch wb translates roughly to the size of the old American 15 passenger versions – which ran seats all the way to the back door. These are, of course, much taller, even without the 4wd package. My Ford Club Wagon measured 6’10” in height, a number seared into my brain from the many times when clearance was a (possible) issue.
This is a curious mix of luxury and strippo utility. I am sort of amazed that Mercedes has not ramped up the interior luxury on these for the US market – carpet and leather seats come to mind, as well as better sound insulation.
I have never been in a 4WD van, and perhaps that is why I see that as overkill for anyone not frequenting a ski lodge in the mountains. That 4WD is what increases the height from “that’s really high” to “where’s the ladder.” This remains one vehicle segment that is far behind the others in driver/passenger comfort – and it will likely remain this way so long as these are chosen in miniscule numbers.
Excellent review. Timely, as well: I’ve seen a couple of YouTubers fit these out as campers recently, so it’s interesting to hear about the machinery underneath. I just have one correction, though: big and roomy as these vans are, science has not yet created a vehicle large enough to keep kids from annoying each other if they’re really determined. “Okay, Timmy and Tommy: We bought this aircraft carrier for a reason. One of you go to the bow and one of you go to the stern and we’ll get there soon enoug…No! Put down the peanut butter!”
Despite having seen many of these vans around, I knew virtually nothing about them, so this review read somewhat like a mystery novel. I’m still not sure I fully understand the plot, though.
I understand the appeal for the commercial market more than for the regular consumer market. Commercial users (hotel shuttles, contractors, recreation companies, RV conversions, etc.) could utilize the Sprinter 4×4’s advantages regularly. But for households, I struggle to see the advantage over various vehicles that could be considered competition (SUVs like Suburbans or vans like the Express, etc.). Still, it’s good to have variety; for folks who might have some unique needs, I’m sure they’re glad this exists.
I’m surprised about the 4-row rear seat. I’ve seen 4-row seats on cars in other markets, but is this the only such example for sale the in US market? I can’t think of another.
Also, I’m fascinated by the Crosswind Assist feature — something I’ve never heard of before. Assuming it doesn’t malfunction, that’s a wonderful safety and piece-of-mind feature.
There was a mom at our elementary school a few years ago that we were acquainted with, she had five children, a husband and a Yukon XL. Then they decided to have a sixth kid. (the oldest was in elementary school, I think three of them were not even in school yet so lots of accoutrements for any outing or ski weekends etc). They purchased one of these (also in 4×4) and seemed very happy with it. She’d regularly drive almost half a dozen other kids home as well, it was almost like an informal school bus. There are more big families than you’d think out there, someone a street over from us has a long but low roof Transit van in passenger form (which I think has a four passenger row option as well.)
Good point. The equivalent family near us own a Nissan NV passenger van, which is another vehicle that’s rarely seen. I suppose for such families who need gobs of passenger capacity, who prioritize 4wd, and are not terribly sensitive to cost, then the Sprinter 4×4 would be in a class of One.
We knew a family in much the same situation – several kids, a lot of travel to gymnastics competitions – and they solved the problem with a Transit van as well. Definitely fills a niche role handily, so long as you don’t mind becoming the go-to carpool driver.
There is definitely a need for these and the large families that still exist.
We know a family who just had their 13th child. In the driveway is a Chevrolet Express 3500 with a 6.0 V8 and a Dodge Grand Caravan.
They need the 170″ wheelbase version of this with the extra row, perhaps only in RWD. It can also tow a trailer (5000lb) for all the strollers etc although there’s room to stack at least a dozen of them in the back behind the seats along with a broom and 50gallon trashcan for all the dropped Cheerios.
4 across rear row is the norm and has been the norm in full size vans since the 70’s. The only exception is the no longer common 5 pass configuration. That is how you get the industry standard 9, 12 and 15 passenger seating capacities and why the threshold for a commercial/chauffeur’s license is set at 16 passengers.
Thanks — I never realized that 4-across seating was common in big vans.
I rode in one of these on a tour of the interior the big island of Hawaii in early February of this year, before COVID-19. The van was more than comfortable for the four of us and kept us warm and dry on a wet and surprisingly cool (low 50s) day. We sat up quite high and, as noted, could see over virtually all other vehicles when on the highway. The ride was smooth on paved roads and road noise was relatively low, though it required the guide/driver to use a Bluetooth-enabled microphone to communicate with those of us in the second row. The guide/driver did use the 4WD to negotiate some muddy and washed-out farm roads in the back country. The van had no problem making its way up and later back down a very steep and slippery slope when we visited a remote coffee bean plantation, but then, numerous Subarus, 4-Runners, and 4WD Tacomas (the Big Island’s favored vehicles) appeared to have little trouble there as well. In all, it was probably overkill for our tour, but I’m not sure a RWD van could have gone safely up that slope, and, as the guide pointed out, this van was normally used to bring larger groups and their gear to remote sites deeper in the interior of the island.
I occasionally drive one of these vans, without the 4WD. One unusual item is the weird transmission selector. It is a thin stalk on the right side of the steering wheel. The motions are not intuitive. It looks like a windshield wiper stalk. When it rains, it is easy to accidentally shift the vehicle into another gear. I believe some Mercedes cars use this selector as well. It needs to be a little more substantial and not mimic a windshield wiper stalk.
Nice to see a company buckle down and install a proper seat belt system. Seat mounted belts should probably be on all vehicles.
Someone in my neighborhood had Nissan’s interpretation of this van for a few years. I suspect it was for family use. There were never any commercial indicators on it.
Sensible choice for the large family, and a logical successor to such things as the old American 15 passenger vans. My sister’s in-laws had 9 kids (old school Iowa farm family) and they had a classic Dodge “church van” for several years.
This what the cool kids drive out here. In khaki or gray, with all sorts of ladders and roof racks, and a camping conversion.
117″ tall! The height is a major turnoff for me. Our high-roof Promaster, that has 6’4″ interior height, stands 99.4″ tall (8’3″). Having just come back from a fab weekend in the mountains and deep woods of Oregon, that additional height would be a real encumbrance given all the low branches we had to carefully slide under without damaging the roof (or solar panel).
And then getting in and out. One would definitely want some steps. But just getting into the cab to drive alone would get tedious.
And without any actual increase in ground clearance.
Like so many things, it looks mighty cool, but I’ll pass sue to the constraints it places on everyday use.
Fuel economy: exactly the same to slightly worse than I get with our gas Promaster. Undoubtedly all that extra height is a real drag, efficiency-wise.
Due to aggressive throttle-mapping, the Promaster has the opposite problem at take-off: one has to be gentle otherwise it wants to shoot forward.
The price is as tall as the van. Wow. Our Promaster was exactly $30k, which included some options including a real screen and Uconnect! Mostly wasted on me… Of course it was bare in the back…
Thanks for the excellent and detailed review. I’ve reconciled myself to its lack of 4WD. In reality, there’s very very few places where it means I better not go. And if I put some aggressive tires on it and carried traction mats, I’d be willing to go even more places. And the significantly lower height (and slightly greater width) make the PM still more attractive to me, especially at it s commensurately lower price.
In the picture of the transfer case there appears to be an exhaust dump next to it. Any idea what that is?
I also find it strange that there isn’t an arm rest pad as standard and even more surprised that it is available as a stand alone option and not as part of an interior trim upgrade package.
I wouldn’t want the rear HVAC unit on the roof, particularly with a high roof version. Sure it saves some interior space but the roof location seems way too susceptible to damage, not to mention the hassle of any service on it. I’m happy to give up a couple of cubic feet of interior space to have it in the quarter panel.
I had that same thought – with all of the extra room gained by the tall roof extension, surely there would be a way to use a little bit of it towards the back for the rear a/c unit – or find a way to integrate it better. The combination of 4WD + the tall roof + a rear a/c unit on top of that is going a bit far on height.
I suspect that exhaust outlet is for the optional Espar diesel heater.
I wouldn’t think they would make that exit under the vehicle and from the picture it looks larger than one would expect for a heater.
A very thorough and well-written test, Jim. You made me interested in a vehicle I wouldn’t normally care to read about.
I posted a lengthy response this morning but it disappeared into the ether, so here’s the TLDR version. Last week I test drove a high roof 4WD 144” Sprinter and a similar 148” Transit. I liked a few things about the Sprinter (amazing seats) but generally preferred the Transit. The Transit is marketed as AWD vs the 4WD Sprinter, but in fact the Sprinter is really an AWD design without even the ability to engage the front drive without stopping, and then only 35% to the front. The Transit’s drive modes provide equal or more capability than the Sprinter (Mud and Ruts mode locks the drive at 50/50 front/rear, for example, and Eco provides 2WD), and the Ford’s 10 speed tranny plus EcoBoost torque almost make up for lack of a low range. The Ford’s big weakness is ground clearance – worse than the ProMaster, not that anything deters Paul – and a weird 235/65-16 tire size.
The Sprinter, as you said, is split at 35F/65R (fixed) and is either run in RWD or 4×4, driver’s choice. No limitation on speed or condition, i.e. it can run 4×4 100% of the time if desired. It does have the low range capability and could easily run much more aggressive tires for those that need it.
I’ve been reading up on the Transit a bit and it’s interestingly different, if I am not mistaken it’s basically the Explorer underneath, i.e. RWD until it slips and then power moves forwards (I could have that wrong) , UNLESS one of the drive modes is engaged and then that locks in whatever split is engineered in for that mode. I haven’t found any info on whether or not those modes can be changed at any time while in motion (presumably so) or if there are limits, i.e. if you want 50/50 fixed can it just be run that way or is there a limitation as to speed or slipperiness of the conditions (i.e. mud, don’t run it on dry tarmac or changeable surfaces)? The ground clearance thing is a bummer I think as with that long of a wheelbase getting hung up could be an issue. I’ll bet someone will make a lift kit soon. Of course the main reason Sprinter is so high is due to the components being slung underneath the existing infrastructure.
When last week’s Ranger was picked up, the folks actually were driving a 4WD Transit, that was a couple of hours before the Sprinter arrived but very interesting. I didn’t get a chance to get a close look at it at the time though.
The issue with the Transit’s ground clearance is its small tires, undoubtedly to lower floor height. But that means clearance under the front cross member and the rear axle pumpkin and shock mounts are quite limited, less than the PM. A body lift will do nothing for that; only reduce the possibility of high-centering.
And putting larger tires on it will create other issues, most of all messing up the gearing. And maybe clearance issue, unless there is a body lift. Folks who have put larger tires on the PM have very mixed results; mostly better looks but substantially reduced performance and fuel economy.
The inconvenient truth is that neither the Sprinter or Transit AWD versions are panaceas for someone looking for an ideal van with more serious off-road capability, although there may well be work-arounds. But they’ll never be the equal of a Quigley Econoline or such, which can go anywhere any other 4×4 can.
I think Mercedes is taking money to the bank based on the fact that their afterthought style system with the body lift on the front subframe looks the part of a more serious off-roader even if that didn’t do anything to increase the ground clearance. I’m also betting that image is why they put a low range in it.
The Ford of course was designed to maintain the same ride height and they aren’t trying to sell it as an off-road machine. Instead they are selling it for muddy job sites and snowy roads for those whose van is their livelihood.
Because the Ford is primarily a commercial vehicle it does have several axle ratio options So if you order the 3.73 then the torque at the wheels with 31″ tires would be the same as the base 3.31 gears and stock 28″ tires. Go for the 4.10 gears and 33″ tires would have a better effective gear ratio than the 3.31/28″ combo.
Ford’s with Intelligent AWD or 4WD are not the old fashioned slip then grip systems. Among other things it monitors the amount of acceleration requested and provides torque to the secondary axle proportional to acceleration requested. So when you mash the throttle from a stop it will send torque to both axles regardless of road conditions. If it then senses slip it will increase the lock up of the coupling. Only after you are up to speed does it enter slip then grip mode.
On some of the Fords with Intelligent AWD there is a display that will show you the relative torque sent to each axle and even wheel in some cases. Usually it is available in the left screen. So if you ever get one to test be sure to pull up that screen and see what it does in various driving conditions.
Little bit north of you, up in Chicago these were a huge hit when they first came out (I want to say at the time they were still Freightliner-exclusive, but I can’t remember.) Then the rust bug hit. These things rusted like 1970s Fords attached to Studebakers. It wasn’t uncommon to see 5-year-old commercial Sprinters looking like 30-year-old A-bodies. Which is a shame, because they proved the market wanted something more than the ancient Big 3 vans that dated to the freakin’ Nixon era.
Around here the Ford Transits and the Nissans have mainly transplanted the Sprinters, with Ram representing the USPS. One contractor in my hood has a MB Metris, which is a nice looking van, and hasn’t rusted in the last year.
The ProMaster’s fuel door is not restrained by the driver’s door and is forward-hinged.