Years ago, my wife decided she wanted a mid-sized sedan. She was tired of the van, and America’s obsession with the SUV was in its incipient form. We were looking for something used, in the $10,000 range.
We had missed on a Taurus that had just sold. A couple days prior we looked at an import sedan (it was either an Accord or a Camry). After dinner one evening we drove past a Honda dealership and I saw a fourth-generation Maxima parked out front. I always liked the look of these cars and felt they were perfectly sized. The next generation Maxima would become larger and the next gen after that even more so.
This Gold example had alloy wheels and a spoiler, so I knew It was not a base model. I made a U-turn and went back. When we pulled in, my wife noticed it also had a sunroof. I noticed that the windshield had four large bright orange stickers that spelled out “6995”. (Remember this number, we’ll need it later).
The car had leather seats and seemed in excellent condition. The odometer showed approximately 75,000 miles. I also noted that it was a five speed. I was beginning to like this car more and more. A very young salesman came out and introduced himself. He did not even seem to be of drinking age yet. If he was – and drank, he got carded regularly. He was a nice kid, but the only thing he knew about the car was where he could find the keys.
As he went to get them, I had a look at the car. This generation Maxima was sold from 1994-1999. All had the same three liter V6 from the 300ZX, with about 190 horses. The automatic transmissions were known to be fragile, especially with age. The Maxima was the flagship Nissan and when loaded, was quite a nice vehicle.
As best I could tell, this one had original paint and consequently no hidden accident damage. The underside was perfect, and all the fluids looked good. The four tires were all the same brand, with about half of their life left.
Incidentally, I always check to see if a used car has matching tires. If they are all the same brand (and correct size) and they are not new, it often means the previous owner was good with maintenance. If they are new, the dealer probably just put them on, so you don’t know. You can also check the age of a tire. All passenger car tires sold in the US have a four-digit week/year of manufacture stamped into the sidewall. It is stamped only once, so when mounted you have a fifty-fifty chance of being able to see it from the outside.
My wife and I went for a test drive with the junior salesman in the back seat. The car ran great, and when it was her turn, my wife enjoyed it. Driving a manual is not a big deal for her. When we got back to the dealership, I wanted to check the book value. This was before smartphones were everywhere, so I asked if there was a computer available. The very green salesman looked puzzled, but showed me to a glass cubicle with a PC. A quick search revealed that the retail value of this car was in the $10-11k range. The trade in/private party values were more than what they were asking.
He stammered through the classic sales question: “What do I have to do to get you to take this car home today?” I replied “Nothing, we’ll take it!” This made him freeze! He did not know what the next step was. He stuttered, and admitted that we were his first customers. He left to go get help.
A few minutes later, we had our licenses copied and were signing papers when the sales manager interrupted. “I’m sorry to tell you all that the car is actually priced at $9,995.” Our young salesman immediately went to bat for us: “Well the price on the windshield says $6,995 and that’s what we agreed on”. The manager explained that in the package of stickers, the same sticker was used for a “6” or a “9”. Someone goofed. The boss was trying to negotiate up, but our young salesman would have none of it. It didn’t matter that the first digit had inadvertently been flipped, a deal is a deal.
The manager finally changed his tune. He gave me a lecture about how the dealership we were sitting in was a place that keeps their word. He continued with a spiel about how he hoped we would always be lifelong customers, and we should also tell all our friends how great his dealership was.
This was the same dealership that forgot to remove any of the previous owner’s paperwork from the glovebox. The next morning, in my driveway, I learned that it was a one-owner car, and when I found the original window sticker, I realized that in 1999 this thing sold for thirty grand!
I really enjoyed that Maxima. The seats were excellent, the ride was a perfect blend of soft yet sporty. It was large enough for me to take all four kids somewhere (before they were teenagers), but it wasn’t really a large car. The manual made it fun, and it was strong enough to bark the tires off the line.
Because it was technically my wife’s car, we kept it for about four years. In all that time it never broke down, although once I spent the better part of two days in my garage putting a new clutch and pressure plate in it.
I’ve never bought another car from that dealer. They’ve just never had anything in stock I’ve wanted. Oh, and they’re far too careful with their price stickers these days too.
Ive never seen one of these in manual most of the ones Ive seen have ex JDM imports and the buyers mostly buy autos for easy resale,
I’d have one with a stick shift.
I have seen a JDM Maxima with a manual gearbox. they exist but are extremely rare.
Hey Bryce, I once had a customer in Auckland who’s son worked at the Nissan plant in Wiri. When they stopped production of these Maximas in 1998 he got his son to build one of the last ones to his spec. Manual trans leather sunroof cruise and everything else you could spec an NZ assembled one with. Was a really nice car.
I would’ve hung on to that car!
Happy Motoring, Mark
Wow, what a great salesman.
And what a great car. And such a nice, clean, one owner car. I considered a Maxima a few times as they have an abundance of front seat legroom in a car that is also fun to drive. Never bought one because they seemed like a bit more car than I needed and they need premium gas…don’t they?
Nice story. I’ve never considered a Maxima, but now, maybe I’ll keep my eye open for one.
BTW, I’m pretty sure the price sticker was not accidentally flipped. That was simply a classic “bait and switch”, albeit a creative one.
That was a rather risky bait and switch. If it was one it backfired rather harsh. Obviously the business survived the blow. It reminded me of my Ford Windstar purchase. The news paper ad printed 16999 instead of 17999. The dealer honored the lower price no questions asked.
Those Maximas were really nice.
There are (more likely were) laws that made it illegal to change the price from it’s advertised price, misprint or not. Probably fine print disclaimers today prevent this from happening.
Back when newspapers still printed large car ads, they started including a phrase in the very fine print:
Not responsible for misprint or mis-spelling in ads.
I also suspect part of the reason for “documentation fees” of up to $900 is to make up for any “mistakes” a car salesperson makes when closing a sale.
Maximas were a uniquely sporty Japanese offering which had no direct competitor. The other Asian brands were soft and not sporty, as was Taurus and Impala, while the Germans came in at different price points.
Mine was a next gen ’03, with 265 hp VQ3.5 and 6sp manual. Favorite car I ever owned.
Current gen leaves me cold. With no manual option anymore, Maxima is dead to me.
Picured is the 1984 El Camino I bought used form a Chevy Dealer here in North Scottsdale. This was back in the day one still could peruse the newspaper for sale adverts. The price stated was $3995, thousands less than ACV. It was a loaded “Conquista” model. I cut the ad out of the paper and dorve over there to take a look, It was indeed in good shape and I began the process of purchasing….As in the story above. the sales manager appeared and informed me a mistake was made, it was actually $6995. I raised one eyebrow, presented the ad from the paper and simply said. “No it isn’t”. SM excused himself and came back shortly with word they would honor the printed price. he instinctively knew I was willing to mule up considerable and decided to take the lumps. I am certain whoever was responsible or writing ads was likely given a stern talking to. or worse. The ElCo was a good car, enjoyed it for years and sold it to a tech at a Chrysler dealership who loved it. Another one I should have kept.
Nice car and a good story .
? Why didn’t you keep it longer ? .
-Nate
We traded it on a new Ford Flex.
Back in the late 2000’s, one of my coworkers was a woman in her late 50’s and her husband ran a used car lot. She ended up with an extremely clean black with black leather interior Maxima of this generation because her husband was having a hard time selling it. Why? Because it was a 5-speed. :rolleyes: She was ecstatic because it was a such a nice and loaded car.
That sounds like the car my parents had, it was a ’97, black on black leather, and every option except the automatic transmission. That car was an absolute blast to drive. They traded it in the mid-2000’s with just under 100k on it. I considered buying it off of them, but in that car it was just too easy to exceed the speed limit. I miss that car.
These early Maximas are from the time when Nissan still had it’s mojo. 4DSC Four door sports car indeed. I’ve wanted one for a while. Much more character than an Accord or Camry, I like Nissans because of my history with Zs. I will admit that I’m kind of warming up to the new Altimas.
Get one with the fantastico Nissan V6 while you still can.
War Boys!!! Witness me, shiny and chrome, all glory to the mighty V6?
Here’s how I’d have played it…
“The windshield says $6,995 but you’re telling me $9,995?”
“Yes.”
“Excuse me, is that the door?”
It’s good to hear your dealer honored the price as displayed on the car.
A Maxima with a 5 speed? I’d buy it! How come the only cars with manuals now are the stripped lowest tier cars. Doesn’t anyone who makes cars know that I’d like to have power windows and leather and a decent stereo with my 5 speed? The only company I can think of that makes nicer cars with standards in the price range I can afford is Volkswagen. Everyone else sells Versas, Yarises, Fiestas and the like with poverty spec options.
The engine was the same displacement as the 300ZX NA V6 but it was a different engine. The infiniti J30 of the same era had the 300ZX engine in it, however. Very common mistake when looking at the Maxima 3.0 and the 300ZX
Well, technically, the Maxima would have still been in your price range and a good deal, correct? You could have said “Oh, I like the car and the options but it has a five speed. I don’t like driving standards in traffic.” just to see how much they would have marked it down from $9,995 🙂 It would have still been a great car, just without the great story!
I hope that salesman is still there.
I liked that generation of Maxima, too. It was a good performer and handler and looked the part, trim and efficient. The next one’s rear end looking like a butt, turned off any semblance of wanting it.
Thanks for telling me how to read the tire code for the date of manufacture.
https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/how-to-determine-the-age-of-your-tires
Of all the cars I’ve owned since 1966, this is one of my all time favorites. You got a bargain for sure – 75K on this car was nothing. There are still many running around SoCal with 300K+. I bought a new 99 GLE (see below) in Fall 98 (sticker right around $29K) and kept it until I traded for a new 2010 G37. Other than troublesome coil packs and oxygen sensors and the multi-link rear suspension (a little too much lean while cornering for my taste) these were great cars. Unlike the manual, the auto was very reliable and incredibly responsive. At only 3090 pounds and as you say, perfectly sized at 197 in long x 69.7 in wide with a 34.8 turning circle, the car was a joy to drive and quite fast with 190HP and 205PFT.
I don’t recall that you mentioned the year you bought the SE but for reference, In 2010 the Infiniti dealership listed mine (with 92K needing replacement of tires, some suspension components, and repair of a rear seal leak) at $4995. It sold within a few days.
I have a friend who still drives her 2001 SE with 5speed – very low mileage (around 65K) and loves it. But it definitely has had more reliability problems than the truly great 4th Gen Maxima.
My 97 I30 has about 290k miles on it, and I’m done chasing electrical gremlins. And it’s finally got a bit of rust in the quarter panels.
A hat tip to Mrs. James. Even though Mrs. JPC cut her teeth on manual shift cars, she has graduated and has no desire to go back. Sigh.
We had a 1999 Infiniti I30 (a Maxima in drag) that I bought as a kid’s car in the college days. Very reliable, roomy, and serviceable. It paled, however, in comparison to an ’03 Maxima SE (6MT) that I had as a company car… handling of the I30 was relatively numb and the power difference was huge. Still, it served the purpose at little cost; what more could one ask?
These were nice cars in high spec form, but to me this generation was given the ‘1997 Camry’ treatment. The car was dulled (and cheaper to produce) from the uber-modern 1989 generation, yet still sold very well and is fondly remembered today. The most galling feature was hubcaps on the base models. Admittedly the new for 95 Avalon suffered the same development compared to the sporting Cressida, but at least the name was changed. The next generation Maxima was far more attractive, and reliability (plus equipment) were vastly improved with the 02 facelift which brought the VQ35 engine and available 6 speed transmission.
Had a ’97 with a 5 speed manual transmission. I bought it new, late in the model year (Nov. ’97) as it was a left over and no one wanted it due to the manual transmission. I drove it for about six years and put 96,000 miles on it; never had a problem with it. It was a great car!
I haven’t’ really heard of the transmissions on these being weak at all, in fact some guys drag race these old birds, the formula is quite simple to get into the 12s: high stall converter into an otherwise bone stock Jatco 4spd auto, some sticky tires, intake/exhaust/cams on the internally stock VQ30, and a strong spritz of nitrous. The transmissions eat it right up. The only issues I’ve heard of/seen are some solenoid block issues with mileage (my beater ’00 slurred the 2-3 and 3-4 upshift when driven briskly).
The much bigger issues on the 4th/5th gen Maximas nowadays (in northern climates) is rust both cosmetically but more worryingly structural rust: the lower radiator core support completely rots out, leaving the lower engine mount/cradle dangling.
They are otherwise perfect cheap beaters. Well put together interiors, a durable powerful motor that uses a timing chain, cheap parts, and commonly found in junkyards. My ’00 that I owned briefly last year was really fun to drive, more so than the otherwise superior-in-every-way ’96 ES300 that replaced it.
Oops make that 11s, but to be fair it had a swap for a slightly newer/larger VQ35 out of a gen “5.5” maxima, but the nitrous was only a 75 shot:
g35driver.com/forums/drag/250503-95-maxima-auto-75-shot-nitrous-goes-10-9-124mph.html
When we got married my wife needed a new car; she always wanted a Volvo and at the time I was driving my Nissan V-6 truck. The dealers were next to each other and we went back and forth comparing the S70 and Maxima SE. I really wanted the Maxima but it was her car and remarkably we were able to get the S70 for the same price as the SE.
While I loved that little tank it was so unreliable we ditched it after 4 years. The Maxima would have never done us wrong like that.
My mom bought a new I30 touring in 1999.
Was not exactly reliable.
Rear main seal after about 8 years (under 50,000 miles on car).
Automatic transmission issues from day one.
Climate control issues that the dealer could never fix.
Blend door actuator (the door that switched between heat and A/C) replaced twice. Needed a third replacement when the car was sold in 2016.
My mom’s mechanic told her in 2010 that the car was a POS and that he was advising her to get rid of it.
I inherited the car in 2016. Took it to my mechanic and he was very much surprised that a car with less than 80,000 miles and regular documented maintenance (from a shop he respected) was this crappy. Told me to get rid of it ASAP. And I did.
Must have been a lemon.
Wow, did this bring back memories! I bought a brand new 1996 Max GXE. Probably have all the paperwork somewhere up in the attic. Hands-down the best car I’ve ever owned and I’m 70. Put about 260k on it commuting to work, with only a few blips like starters, O2 sensors, front axles and a weird problem (CEL) that required the ECU and the speedometer head to be replaced. At the same time. That took about 2 years before that was figured out!
Sold it to my son in NJ for $1 who used it as a commuter for a couple of years. Had about 290k on it when his sister had need of something for my 2 teenage granddaughters to use while home from college back in NY.
After 2 summers of having its wheels ran off, daughters husband looked underneath and announced the end had come. The radiator support was within minutes of disintegrating! Plus other ominous signs under there. She passed the word around work and by the end of the day, someone had snapped it up. Probably was over 300k by then.
“The radiator support was within minutes of disintegrating! ”
Yep see my comment above. They are certainly very rugged vehicles from a powertrain perspective. Keep the tin-worm at bay and they just last and last!
I fell in love with the 4th Gen Maxima when it came out. I test drove several (new and used) with the 5-speed manual, but as a broke college kid I could never afford one.
This generation Maxima debuted in 1995. A lot of folks in the motoring press gave the car a few knocks because the new rear suspension on the 4th gen wasn’t the same independent setup that was on the 3rd gen car, which was the first to be known as the 4DSC (Four Door Sports Car).
The 3rd generation car had the VG-series engine, the VG30DE. This was essentially the same engine that was available in the 300ZX, the Infiniti J30, the Frontier, and the xTerra (although in 3.3L version in the trucks). The 4th generation car was the debut of the VQ-series engines. The Maxima started out with the VQ30DE, which was available in the Maxima and the platform mate Infiniti I30. The VQ series engines proliferated throughout the Nissan and Inifinit lineup. 3.0L 3.5L. 3.7L FWD. RWD. That was just in North America. In other markets there were smaller displacements, turbo and twin turbocharged models. In the North American market, the VQ series engines made the Ward’s 10 Best Engines list continually from 1995 until 2008.
At the time of the 4th generations debut, manual transmission sedans were on the way out. The Camry could only get a manual behind the base 4-cylinder. It was part of the sport sedan cred that Nissan kept the manual available in the Maxima, with the standard V6 engine (same engine available in all trim levels, GXE, SE, GLE).
The 5-speed manual was also available in the Infiniti I30 as well, but only on the I30 t model. And if you ponied up the money for the Infiniti over the Maxima, with the 5-speed manual trans you also got a limited slip differential. Trying to go after that luxury sport sedan buyer. I believe that the limited slip lasted only through the 1st gen I30, when it was redesigned I believe that the manual / LSD was dropped from the Infiniti.
“The Camry could only get a manual behind the base 4-cylinder”
This isn’t correct. You could buy a 6cyl 5spd Camry through the end of the 97-01 generation. I’m not sure about the ’02-06, you could get a 5spd SE, but perhaps that was only 4cyl.