My 2016 Lexus ES350 has rolled past 50,000 miles now, almost 14 months to the day after I bought used at 13,800 miles or so. So how have things been?
Well, as you would expect with a newish Toyota/Lexus, which is to say perfectly fine. Boring, even. Which is a good thing, as that’s exactly what I was looking for, with two kids in college, soon to be three. Relaxing, entry-luxury motoring, with low operating expense.
In my driving which tends to be skewed towards country roads and interstate, I consistently average 30mpg a tank, which is the highway rating. A longer interstate trip will net 34mpg. I checked this with paper and pencil a few times, and found that the computer was consistently 0.5 mpg off, both optimistic and pessimistic, so I guess that means it has a 1mpg margin of error.
If there is any “quirk”, it is the low fuel light which comes on when you have 4 gallons or more left of a 17 gallon tank. It was annoying at first, but now I just note the mileage and fill up 100 miles later.
The first four services were free with a Lexus CPO purchase. The 15,000 mile service was done predelivery, with an oil change as part of the CPO process (which is over and above the every 10,000 mile schedule). So then I got the 20,000, 25,000, 30,000 and 35,000 mile services gratis.
Every 10,000 miles is an oil and filter, cabin filter, rotation, and check everything out (brakes, fluids, etc.). The in-between 5,000 mile services are just rotation and check the fluids on newer models. Older models with my same engine (which has been used since the 2007 model year) have oil and filter required every 5,000 miles.
The receipt from 20,000 miles indicated that had it not been covered, it would have set me back about $200.00, which seems steep for an oil and filter and rotate the tires. Sure, they check the pads and fluids and whatnot, and replace the cabin filter, but still…..
The 25,000 mile service would have been $100.00, which is even sillier for what is essentially just a rotation. Though they do always give it a very good bath in and out, and you get a new RX or something else juicy to drive for free.
Every 30,000 miles is a larger service, with oil and filter, cabin filter, engine air filter, brake flush, and more checking of the fluids, battery, and underside. That would have been $600.00 or so if not covered by the CPO offer.
I skipped the last 35,000 mile service at the dealer, as the tire shop near my house rotated the tires for free when I rolled in the for the annual emissions test.
As I usually do with most of my cars, I changed the oil and cabin filter myself at 40,000 miles. The genuine Toyota oil filters are $6 on Amazon, and a non-OEM cabin filter is about the same. Every 10,000 miles for a cabin filter seems a little excessive, but it is cheap and very easy to get to, so why not. It is smaller than filters in other cars I have worked on, so maybe it needs to be swapped out due to the lack of surface area.
6.5 quarts of synthetic 0w20 is required; I used Mobil 1. So both filters and the required quantity of Mobil 1 purchased by the five quart jug at Wally World, adds up to about $45.00.
For the 50,000 mile service, I had every intention of doing it myself (even bought the oil), but unseasonably cold and wet weather arrived. I swapped out the cabin filter in 45 seconds, but getting underneath to the oil filter and drain plug wasn’t appealing in that weather. I have to use my ramps outside in the driveway, because the garage floor is too smooth (they just slide when you try to drive up).
There is a Toyota dealer five minutes from my office, so I wanted to try their “quick lane” drop-in oil and filter change (the 2013-2018 ES and Avalon are the same from underneath). I really like my Lexus dealer’s service department, but it’s 45 minutes each way from my office with traffic. So for just a simple oil and filter, it’s a little too much of a production. The Toyota dealer’s website said they had four quick oil change lanes in addition to the regular bays, and “no waiting” for an oil and filter.
I called to make sure of this, and was told otherwise. “We are all booked up today” was the curt reply. I asked about the four quick change lanes touted on the website and was told “that just means we will work you in, but the appointments come first”. OK, well, that didn’t sound promising.
A few hundred feet down the street from them was a Valvoline oil change place. The Lexus dealer here uses Valvoline synthetic, so I went there. 15 minutes and $82 later, I was on my way with 0w20 Valvoline full synthetic. I didn’t like paying twice what it would have cost to do it myself, but it was 38 degrees and raining, so I got over it. And that was cheaper and quicker than the Lexus dealer.
To their credit, they pulled the cabin filter (which was new) and engine air filter (which has only 20,000 miles on it) and told me that they were clean, rather than try to upsell me. They get a demerit for leaving a sticker on the windshield saying my next change was due in 3,000 miles.
I think I’ll keep going with my own changes (or at Valvoline if weather dictates it) until 90,000 miles, and then let the dealer do that one for a brake flush at that time. I’ll hit 90,000 miles within 24 months or so of the last brake flush, so that seems soon enough.
Though Toyota/Lexus uses “Super Long Life Coolant”, they want the system drained and refilled (including the block) at 100,000 miles and then every 50,000 thereafter instead of waiting to 150,000 miles like most makes call for these days.
The radiator has a draincock on it, so draining the radiator and simply refilling it, is super easy. The block is more involved of course, harder to get to, and the V6 engine is known for air bubble problems in the course of refilling.
Most Toyota/Lexus club sites say do the easy rad drain and refill every 50,000 miles, and that’s good enough to keep the coolant fresh, if done that often. I’ll drain the radiator when we get a warm day and refill with a gallon of the genuine Toyota coolant (again, off Amazon, $30).
I did have an odd situation develop with the factory Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires. At 42,000 miles, one of them was worn near slick, past the wear bars. A second one was at the wear bars, and the last two were in pretty decent shape. With the tires being rotated (allegedly) every 5,000 miles at the dealer, I don’t know how that happened. Maybe it was something about that one tire, maybe it was how they were (or were not) rotated.
Anyway, I needed one tire for sure, and probably two. But, I hesitated to buy just two new tires and set myself up to perpetually have two new and two worn tires. Two tires were too good to throw out and buy a full set now, though.
One night, I was perusing the Facebook Marketplace for no good reason and there was an ad for two new Michelin Defender tires, in my size (215/55/17). $125 or best offer. That seemed too good to be true, but I eventually made contact with the elderly seller (he wasn’t on Facebook, a neighbor had posted them for him). In a similar situation, he had bought a full set for his MINI, which had two worn tires and two decent tires. He replaced just the two worn tires, and waited to replace the other two once they were more worn. But the car got traded before that happened, so now he was stuck with these two tires that had never been mounted.
He said he had lost count of how many people said they were coming to get them, but never showed. He just wanted them gone, and after some back and forth, we agreed on $60 for the pair and met at a local grocery store. So for that little money, I was happy to have two worn and two new tires.
I got them mounted on the front, and put the two best factory tires on the rear. The Defenders have about 8,000 miles on them and show very little wear. I am going to leave them on the front on purpose, and when they are shot I’ll buy a new full set.
I did install quite a bit of Dynamat in the car but don’t have any meaningful pictures of that process to share. The ES had more more road noise than I expected after living with it for a while, and I had always wondered about Dynamat, so I tried it. They have a variety of products, but a self-adhesive asphalt sheet about 1/8 inch thick with a foil facing is the main product.
You apply it to a minimum of 1/3 of the surface area of body panels to dampen resonation. I took off the interior door panels and applied it to the backside of the outer door skins, then covered the every inch of the interior-facing door frame before reinstalling the door panels.
That made a huge difference, so I kept going. I removed the rear seat and covered the metal beneath and behind the seat; removed the trunk lining and covered 1/3 of each rear quarter panel, the underside of the trunk lid, and the trunk floor and spare tire well. I pulled up the carpet enough to cover much of the front and rear footwells. I also laid Dynamat’s 1/2 inch thick foam pad under and behind the rear seat, and cut it to fit under the trunk carpet.
I removed the hood pad, covered the underside of the hood with the asphalt, and then replicated the factory tissue-thin hood pad with the 1/2 inch Dynamat pad (it’s heatproof/flame retardant). I pulled the front wheel well liners loose, covered as much of the cabin bulkhead as I could reach with the asphalt sheet, added a layer of the foam, and reinstalled the liners.
It all sounds like a lot more work than it was; I did it when I had time, an hour here, an hour there in the evenings. It all cuts easily with a boxcutter. I installed it so as to be hidden; except for the hood pad, you don’t see it anywhere unless you go looking for it. All told, I added about 80 pounds of asphalt and foam insulation and it transformed the car. It’s at least as quiet as Bertha (the S550) was, and seems to approach the quiet of the LS460 I test-drove, which was library-like. The doors also shut with a much more solid and satisfying “thunk” than before.
The trunk lighting was pitiful, just one little incandescent bulb under the “hat shelf”. Maybe it’s my eyes, but you couldn’t see a thing at night. I applied a self-adhesive LED strip to the underside of the “hat shelf” and connected the wires to the leads for the factory light with heat shrink tubing, so it goes on and off like the factory light. Voila, all the light you need for about $15.
The lower door panels are hard plastic, and it seems to me like they should be carpeted. I found a kit on eBay that claimed to do this. Well, what I received wasn’t for my car, for sure. And wasn’t what I would call carpet, either. I might tackle this with black speaker box carpet, haven’t made up my mind about that yet.
I think I wrote before about upgrading the dash and door speakers with Polk units from Crutchfield. It made a huge difference in sound quality. Crutchfield now has instructions for accessing the subwoofer on the rear deck, so I might try that. It would be a little more involved; the factory amp only sends 60 watts to the sub, and that’s not enough to drive even a small 8 inch Kicker sub (same size as the factory sub). Crutchfield recommends a small Alpine amp in the trunk. I’d have to run a power lead to the fusebox under the instrument panel, but that’s not too bad. Maybe a topic for the future!
I’ve previously written a little about our 1988 Jaguar Cabriolet, and there’s been some developments on that front lately. We will turn our attention to it soon and hope to update you on that project, as we let the Lexus continue to roll up the miles!
Very cool and thorough run-down! I didn’t expect you to go digging into it with dynamat and such! I have three full boxes of the stuff sitting at home that were given to me, have yet to think of a worthy application. I also like the thorough breakdown of services and associated costs. I had no idea Lexus specified a 10k cabin filter interval, my wife’s 2012 Camry has a 30k interval. I know there was some kind of class action lawsuit about “musty” smells in Camry/Avalon/ES HVAC system, perhaps Lexus decided a shortened filter interval was a potential solution.
My father in law has a ’13 ES300h that he bought as a 3 year old used car with 30k miles (not CPO or anything) and he’s been quite pleased with it (he had a ’13 Camry Hybrid XLE before that for a year before passing it along to his younger daughter who had finished college, and an ’09 Prius before that). I’ve driven it a handful of times and like it a lot as well, the Hybrid drivetrain is pretty decent, but the overall MPG in highway-heavy midwestern driving is not that much more than what you’re getting with that fantastic 2GR-FE. If I were ES shopping, I’d go V6 for sure.
I’m also a habitual facebook marketplace/craigslist tire-deal shopper. I think I did quite well on my A4 snow setup: Pepboys was having a closeout sale on some discontinued Hankook Winter I*cepts in the 195/65R15 tire I wanted to “downsize” to, $49 a pop. I was then able to hunt down a set of used OEM A4 B5 rims in the desired 15″ diameter that the lesser/older B5s came with, a guy on craigslist had a set with used all seasons listed for $200 that had been for sale for a long time. I inquired whether he’d be interested in letting them go for $100, and mentioned I just needed the rims for snow tires. Turns out he’s a tech at the local Audi dealer, and would gladly dismount the tires and just sell the rims for $100. Conveniently, the Audi dealer is just down the road from the Pepboys I was having the tires shipped to. So I take my bare rims to the Pepboys, and after making some friendly small talk with the shop manager, he decides he’ll mount my new tires free of charge! So $213 for the tires mounted with tax, and $100 for the set of rims, with center caps and everything. Not too shabby!
Hmmm, wanna sell any of that Dyna Mat? 😞
Absolutely! I’ll gladly hook you up. My bulldog chewed on a corner of one of the 3 boxes but the contents were unharmed lol. My email is my CC handle @gmail.com
But is your bulldog quieter now? Less vibration? 🙂
Haha nope, still noisy and vibrating as ever when he snores 🙂
“I have three full boxes of the stuff sitting at home that were given to me, have yet to think of a worthy application.”
I can, stuff it in your Camry and report back here with the process and results so I can do the same to ours. It isn’t a loud car, but there’s still more road noise than I’d prefer.
Not a bad idea, but I treat that Camry as a strictly A-B thing. I keep oil in it, investigate any noises, but it gets no love from me. It’s just serving faithfully until it can be replaced.
It is amazing how few real repairs today’s best cars require.
Your tire story reminds me of my biggest peeve with Discount Tire where I have bought many sets. Whenever I have bought only 2, they insist on putting the best tires on the back and the older ones in front. Which I consider exactly backwards, especially on a FWD car. They claim it is for safety and stability. I claim it is to wear out the old tires so that I will be back sooner to buy more.
The Dyna Mat is interesting to me as well. My fleet consists of cars with more road noise than I would like, so perhaps I need to make this my next spring project.
I am sure this is going to create a lot of discussion but here goes:
Click and Clack said put the new ones on the back. So does Tire Rack.
“When tires are replaced in pairs in situations like these, the new tires should always be installed on the rear axle and the partially worn tires moved to the front. New tires on the rear axle help the driver more easily maintain control on wet roads since deeper treaded tires are better at resisting hydroplaning.”
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=52
I totally get the logic from a safe-handling perspective (better to understeer than oversteer), but I too prefer to put fresher tires on the front in an attempt to even out wear on a FWD car.
I see what they are saying. However, in my experience front tires on an FWD car do 100 percent of the motive work, 100% of the steering work and 80% of the braking work. Best tires on the rear can lead to 1) getting hit by someone else when you are stuck in snow because the front tread is thinner, 2) running into someone/something because the car won’t respond well to steering input because the front tread is thinner, 3) running into someone/something because of lower traction of the primary braking wheels. I suspect that these three situations will come up a lot more frequently than a hydroplaning-induced spin.
I have seen scads of traffic accident reports over the years where someone says “I was hydroplaning.” What they really mean is that “I was driving too fast for weather and road conditions.”
The recommendation for best tires on the rear (FWD car) sounds counter intuitive but makes sense in my experience. Loss of traction on front first and you generally go in a straight line, and is predictable and controllable. Loss on the rear first is none of these. The rear will slide , the car will go sideways and you’ll spin. Been there, no fun.
I agree. Best tires on the rear, even if it’s FWD. Mind you, my current ride is a RWD (not 4WD) 2015 Grand Cherokee, and all four tires seem to be wearing very evenly, so I’ll probably replace all of them at once, unless there are extenuating circumstances, like damage.
I’m interested in the Dynamat and I appreciate you writing about the product . My 77 Mercury has similar material from the factory that has simply crumbled, 1/8 inch layer of asphalt sandwiched between two layers of cardboard was placed on the floor as part of their “Brougham level sound insulation package “. I had thought of making replacement panels with roofing tar, but the Dynamat seems much neater.
Doesn’t matter how much ‘work’ the tire is doing, it’s for handling, you don’t want the rear of the car breaking loose first in the rain/snow. I think Michelin has forgotten more about tires than any of us know, I’ll take their recommendation.
Get back to me when you’re smarter about tires than Michelin, Tire Rack, Discount Tire, Insurance Companies, etc. Post a link to ANY reputable tire shop that says put the new tires on the front.
How many times have you gone around a curve on a wet/slick road? More than you have panic stops, or stuck in snow, I’m willing to bet. Telling people to put the good tires on the front, based on your personal “experience” is DANGEROUS, plain and simple. Do what you want with your own neck, but don’t advise people to do something dangerous because they believe you know about cars. No reputable tire shop will put 2 new tires on the front.
If you have decent tires on the front, you’ll still stop and handle just fine. What you want is for the front tires to lose traction first in a curve, or lane transition, better control, or at worst you plow in a straight line.
I’ve read a lot of your writing on here, and generally agree with a lot of your comments, but on this one you are WRONG. You are giving really DANGEROUS advice here.
/rant over
The problem with this video and the advice is that it was made in the pre-ESC (Electronic Stability Control) era. I question its validity/relevance with modern vehicles, which all have ESC.
I also question the veracity of this video, inasmuch as whenever drivers are asked to demonstrate the outcome that they’re being paid to demonstrate, the outcome will of course be the one desired. It would require a blind test, and by several objective drivers.
I understand why the tire industry promotes this, as it is logically the safer one for drivers who don’t know how to control a car in more challenging situations. So I’m not disagreeing with this advice in principle, but it may be much less relevant with ESC, and for drivers who have more experience with controlling a (non ESC) car, I don’t think its a serious issue.
“The problem with this video and the advice is that it was made in the pre-ESC (Electronic Stability Control) era. I question its validity/relevance with modern vehicles, which all have ESC.”
Enter a curve too fast, ESC isn’t going to always save you. And not everyone is driving ESC equipped cars.
“I also question the veracity of this video, inasmuch as whenever drivers are asked to demonstrate the outcome that they’re being paid to demonstrate, the outcome will of course be the one desired. It would require a blind test, and by several objective drivers.”
There are other videos out there showing the same results. Please explain how the 2 cars, driving on the same road, at the same speed, the car with the worn tires on the rear spun out? Also, why would Michelin rig the results? If you’re buying 2 tires, you’re buying 2 tires, they’re still selling the same amount.
“I understand why the tire industry promotes this, as it is logically the safer one for drivers who don’t know how to control a car in more challenging situations. So I’m not disagreeing with this advice in principle, but it may be much less relevant with ESC, and for drivers who have more experience with controlling a (non ESC) car, I don’t think its a serious issue.”
Most people don’t know how to control cars in ‘more challenging situations’. Sadly, driving seems to be a declining skill set. Why even argue against something that is demonstratably safer?
If it’s not a serious issue, why so much information on it?
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=52
https://www.tiresplus.com/tires/tire-buying-guide/tire-balancing-and-mounting/
https://www.souzastireservice.com/tires-101/front-or-rear.aspx
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a3121/6-common-tire-myths-debunked-10031440/
Please note item 2 on the above. Specifically: “There is no “even if” to this one. Whether you own a front-, rear- or all-wheel-drive car, truck, or SUV, the tires with the most tread go on the rear.”
There are dozens more articles/sites saying the same thing :Put the better tires on the rear”. Can you find ONE reputable source saying otherwise?
Depending on technology (ESC) to save you is a dangerous thing.
If I come into a dangerous situation, ice on the road, slick curve, something cutting in front of me, requiring emergency maneuver, etc, I’d rather have the odds be in my favor.
This is a car oriented site (duh), we should be giving the best possible advice to casual readers.
Basic physics (traction differential between new/slightly worn tires) isn’t going to change. As I said, if it’s known putting the better tires on the rear is safer, why would you do anything else? (or disparage it, or use “but”). To encourage unsafe action, especially when doing the safe thing isn’t going to cause harm, makes no sense to me.
I’m not giving advice to anybody here. Relax. Maybe you didn’t read my comment carefully. Here’s the key line form it: So I’m not disagreeing with this advice in principle
My point is that I get the advice, and it’s perfectly reasonable advice, but I might still chose to put the somewhat less worn tires in the back so that the wear on the set will be evened out. I have enough experience with driving on wet roads here in Oregon that I feel confident in my abilities to handle it, even with partially worn tires in the back. Actually, the only times I’ve experienced hydroplaning was on the freeway driving straight ahead when water built up due to poor drainage. I’ve never encountered hydroplaning on a curving road, as they’re invariably crowned enough to keep water building up that much. That’s not to say it can’t happen…
But I can assure you that having the tire with more treads on the back won’t help you the slightest if you’re on ice.
If you have decent tires on the front, you’ll still stop and handle just fine. What you want is for the front tires to lose traction first in a curve, or lane transition, better control, or at worst you plow in a straight line.
You’re making it sound like this is the case in all/most circumstances. it’s not; this whole video and its recommendations are strictly based on a road being so heavily flooded that hydroplaning is an issue. Which actually is far from a common occurrence. Have you ever experienced actual hydroplaning?
For one thing, the situation where the rears hydroplane and the fronts don’t would require a very specific depth of water, If it’s just a bit more, the fronts will hydroplane too. This can of course be carefully controlled on a skid pad, but the odds of it happening in real life are going to be quite low.
As i said, all the times I experienced hydroplaning was in deep standing water due to bad drainage issues, and any and all tires would have hydroplaned.
There’s another fact to consider: typically it is only the front tires that hydroplane, because they push the water out of the way for the rear tires. Watch a tire in heavy rain, and notice the way it leaves a trail of reduced water, as it has pushed the water out of the way. This reality would suggest that it’s more important to have the best tread in the front. All my experiences of hydroplaning were with the front wheels.
As I said earlier, this advice is perfectly reasonable, but I’m not personally convinced that it’s all that relevant in many real-world situations. I’m not opposing it, just stating why I don’t personally buy it 100%.
Stating my opinion here in a comment is not giving advice. If I write an article, that’s different.
I do not intend to tell anyone else how to mount their tires. All I can say is that I have been driving for a long time and in climates where rain, snow and ice are common occurrences. I have never, not once, experienced the phenomenon everyone is talking about here – all despite my practice of trying to keep the best tires on the front. This is not to say that hydroplaning-induced oversteer isn’t real, nor to say that it isn’t serious when it happens. Maybe my number just hasn’t come up yet and it will happen to me at 4:30 this afternoon. Still, if I can choose only one or the other, I would prefer to address the risks that happen 98% of the time over those that happen 2% of the time. Others may calculate their risks differently.
Or maybe this is just one more reason to prefer RWD cars (which I do).
One other thing, the Michelin video might have more credibility with we skeptics if it had not tried to visually buttress its point with a rear wheel drive BMW drifting through a wet curve. 🙂
That’s the position I’ve heard from tyre shops over here. The guy claimed to have been to a Michelin demonstration on a track and skid pan to prove it. The idea seems to be that the average driver is better equipped to cope with a front wheel lock up than a rear wheel lock up or wet/icy road oversteer.
I hear you about the front vs. back debate. I rotate my tires pretty religiously, so eventually the worn tires have to go to the back. I just do the old FWD autocrossing thing and lower the air pressure in the rears to get some more “stiction” from them. So far, so good.
I’m struggling to understand what you do and why. Lowering the rear tires in relation to the fronts always increases the tendency for oversteer, which is exactly what this issue is about. Now it may not make much difference in terms of hydroplaning, but it does in dry weather conditions.
I’m not familiar with this technique in autocrossing, but then autocrossing does not represent real world conditions very much. Doing a bit of quick research does not at all suggest anything out there to back this up. Optimum tire pressure for autocross will depend on the tire being used, and the only way to find that is by trial and error.
Boring in a good way. That’s so true. It’s so boring not to have a tranny go bust or an ABS light go on etc. That leaves money and time to actually upgrade with dynamat. I’ve done a similar thing using roofing rubber film from the hardware store on my Pontiac Vibe and found it very worthwhile as well. I bet dynamat is more effective though.
The Michelin Defenders are some great tires indeed. I have them on the Vibe as well. Even a certain Paul N. is rolling around on them.
Well done!
“I’ve done a similar thing using roofing rubber film from the hardware store on my Pontiac Vibe”
Back in the 80s I used some of that asphalt-like spray undercoating on the metal under the back seat and floor of my 71 Plymouth Scamp. It made a significant difference.
Glad you’re having such a pleasantly uneventful time with the Lexus. There’s a lot to be said for a relaxing car. Nice work with the Dynamat and the added light as well. So far as the tires go, if your roads are as debris-strewn as ours, I wonder if the previous owner didn’t have a couple of punctures a short time apart that required replacing nearly-new tires. That might account for the oddly differing wear.
I think it is the Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires that are just crappy and not a scenario that the dealer is not rotating the tires.
I have had 3 cars with Michelin Primacy MXV4 (including that 1995 Deville) and of those tires suffered from premature wear and were worn out relatively quickly. All 3 cars had regular tire rotations and alignments. All 3 of the cars had no suspension issues. Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires seem to be crap for the their costs.
The Defenders should work well for you.
I take my cars to the local NTB. They do the oil change to my satisfaction. Toyota dealer service centers are the reason I don’t own a Toyota anymore. The sales department at the local dealer was great but the service department and fighting them for warranty repairs caused me to dump the car.
I was going to concur about the Michelins, thinking they were the OEMs on our 16 Camry that I despise so thoroughly. But nope, our tires are Bridgestone Turanzas. The Michelins are top notch in comparison, check out these reviews:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Turanza+EL400-02#RatingsReviews
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4#RatingsReviews
Whenever I have the Camry solo, I do what I can to shorten the life of these tires.
I really like the quiet and smooth ride of the MXV4’s…..the Defenders are noisier and “clomp” over bumps more, but they aren’t bad. Just different. They have a lot more traction in curves and rain, for sure, than the MXV4. Michelin has a new “Primacy Tour” that is supposed to set new standards of quiet and smooth, for about the price of the Defender / less $$ than the MXV4. I’m leaning towards trying those next.
The Primacy Tour is really a replacement for the Primacy MXM4 (which is mostly offered in low-profile sizes) rather than the Primacy MXV4 which has mostly been replaced by the Premier A/S.
I have Primacy MXV4s on my Rabbit (Golf) and love them. They did what I wanted them to do – make my car ride softer and quieter while still offering decent grip in dry or wet weather. They’re not sporty tires, so if you’re looking for that locked-on-rails feeling or max cornering traction you should look elsewhere. Most sizes of the MXV4 (including those that fit my 15″ steelies) have been discontinued in favour of the Premier. The Premier A/S and LTX are said to have excellent rain traction even when the tires get worn, but there have been some complaints that they’re not as quiet as the MXV4 was.
The guy selling the tires on FB bought 215/55/17 tires for his MINI? Seems a bit big for a MINI, but who knows!
Anyway, if I scored 2 brand new tires for 60 bucks, I think I would have bought 2 more at their regular price and started off with 4 new ones.
I know Mini’s went from 10” rims to 12” at some point, but 17’s? Maybe that’s a typo 🙂
He had a newer Mini…..2016 or so! Yes, an old “true” Mini would never have a 17 inch wheel…….
Modern electronic trip computers calculate fuel economy very accurately . More likely, your calculations were slightly skewed, because fuel station pumps stop pumping based on pressure and not every pump is calibrated the same. The same pump can even stop at different levels of fullness, based on many variables.
Importamation, the more I read your approach to vehicles the more I like it. You know what you want, and if that requires disassembling the interior of a Lexus to make it LS460 quiet, then that’s what you’re going to do.
Haha agreed Petrichor, I think it’s awesome!
Thanks….YouTube, Google, etc. really helps with so many DIY things these days. You can find disassembly instructions for about anything, so you don’t break little clips and plastic tabs as you do it.
I finally did an oil change on my 3.5V6 Tacoma recently, after the CPO service plan expired. I found the cartridge oil filter change to be more difficult and messier than it should be, even with an aftermarket aluminum removal tool. By contrast, our new Golf also with cartridge (ie not spin-on) filter is perhaps the easiest and neatest filter change I’ve done in 45 years. The previous winner of that title was our ‘93 Corolla. The Golf also has a bayonet style drain plug that you loosen/tighten with a straight blade screwdriver. Easy-peasy, and it moves your hand several inches away from the oil drain to keep your fingers clean.
The Toyota/Lexus cartridge filter slung underneath is disappointingly messy. The cartridge up on top of the Germans is easy to get to, and the filter has drained out by gravity, so it’s generally not a mess to remove.
The GL had it on top too and yes, it having predrained due to gravity was nice, zero mess. Apparently the factory Mercedes procedure is to change the oil by sucking it out of the top end as well, I apparently was the first person to ever touch the drainplug on mine due to not having a suction device and believing that gravity will do the trick just as well. Woe be it that a dealer tech has to go under the actual vehicle…
The 911 has the cartridge filter too but in that case the canister is oriented underneath with the threads on top. Removing the whole canister housing which is filled with oil isn’t difficult not does it result in spillage as long as you hold it upright. The filter element itself remains “stuck” to the car, you pull it off its mounting nub. Overall a good system, you can reach pretty much everything without actually physically getting under the car.
The Jeep has a cartridge up top as well but I keep finding cheap enough dealer coupons to not deal with it myself yet.
And the other new to me vehicle is an utter pain to change the filter on as I found out last weekend, it being mounted sideways above other components and requiring the removal of a different component first for better (but still not good) access. Any time a manufacturer actually produces and installs a drip tray under the oil filter to try to avoid oil getting everywhere is a clear indication that things could and should have been done differently.
I haven’t touched the Highlander’s myself yet, I assume it’s a cartridge too like the ES, being fundamentally the same engine.
Wow, lots of miles for a 2 year old car. My wife’s 2009 ES is at 75,000 with ZERO non-maintenance repairs thus far – 10 years! Still the original battery and brakes. Only complaint is pricey routine maintenance work at the dealer every 5,000 miles. The G/M of the dealership confided that maintenance work keeps the store in the black, as owners tend to keep Lexi for years and years. Also the reason they push leasing. Critics say these are boring. They sure are. Ten years of comfortable, drama free, cost free driving.
It’s mostly for work. I don’t mind to drive, fortunately! My wife’s 2016 Cayenne I wrote up just turned 21,000 miles and we bought it 3 years ago this month, so it’s about the same pace as your ES.
I agree, I’ve had cars with “character” and that gets old fast. We’ve got a 2001 ES300 that has required two bulbs and one O2 sensor in nearly 18 years. When the wife wanted a new car we went straight to the Lexus dealer and bought an RX350. Boring is good, I like boring.
“Character” is often a euphemism for crap reliability or ergonomic flaws
I had the sliding ramp issue at one time. The solution is a couple of 2×6 boards cut to the right length (distance from wall to back of ramps). So from the back wall of the garage for example put the 2×6’s flat on the floor with the long dimension facing the car. Then the ramps in front of them. The ramps can’t slide due to the 2×6’s blocking them.
Very nice, I’ll try that! Good idea. Until my dream of an oil pit or lift in the house gets realized (i.e., never).
All I have to do these days is press the suspension lift button and lift my car to service height. No ramps or jack required, floor jack still get used on my Hillman though
As the fleet manager at an exterior building supply house, I did a direct comparison between Dyna Mat and the peel and stick for windows and roofing. It’s the same stuff at a 1/4 of the price!
I’ve heard of some car guys doing the cheaper hardware store route and having it stink like crazy and be more prone to melting over time. But I have no personal experience with either. The PO of my brother’s Mystique sound-proofed it with Dynamat and that thing is incredible: the quietest most refined Mystique with 250k mile you’ll ever experience! 😛
I was worried too. I used a rubber membrane, no tar. I had no stink.
I wondered about the building supply membrane but was concerned about odor……good to know it’s an option for next time.
Historically, building membrane was asphalt based, but some of them may have switched to butyl in recent years. Building products (peel and stick) are NOT the same as sound deadening products. They are designed for a different purpose. Depending on their use, their adhesive may not be designed for vertical surfaces, and they may give off an asphalt smell if they get hot enough.
That’s not to say they won’t work, but they really aren’t the same thing.
Noico is very popular, and is about half the cost of Dynamat. It’s also butyl based. That’s what I used in the Promaster.
It’s nice to have an alternative to Dyna Mat. I will research Noico. It’s always best to use the right product for the job but the peel and stick we sold was the butyl type and designed to adhere to plywood around windows. Bonded very well and didn’t have a strong odor even in the summer heat. The stuff installed at the factory to the inside of the roof of my LeSabre looked like an asphalt based fiber reinforced product though
Replacing tyres in pairs? always put the new tyres on the front simply because thats the end that does the steering and the most braking and on a FWD car drive traction is usefull too.
I have heard the “official” advice is new pairs go on the rear, as some prior commenters pointed out, no matter which wheels are doing the motive work. But yes, I ignored that and put the new ones on the front anyway for whatever reason. I guess I am mostly driving in a conservative manner and don’t see how it makes much difference.
WRONG, watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdSf0KJie_E
As I said above, when you know more about tires than Michelin, I’ll believe you.
This was always one of the most frustrating discussions I’d have with customers when I worked in tire shops. However, I refused to mount 2 new tires on the front. If, after showing them the Michelin video, and printouts from Discount Tire, Tire Rack, etc, they still wanted their new tires on the front, I recommended they go elsewhere.
Good to hear you’re having such good luck with your ES350. A guy I know is a GM fan, owning a number of Cadillacs and Corvettes over the years. After having some rather large repair bills on his newer Escalade and his low mileage Vette, he and his wife now both have Lexuses (Lexi?) in their garage with the same reliable service you’ve been experiencing.
I used to work at powersports dealer and have used Dynamat as well as the roof flashing to quiet down interior noise on UTVs that have cabs on them. I can report that the flashing holds up as well as the Dynamat in a much more extreme environment than your car will likely ever see, but smell isn’t an issue in that application. I do think the Dynamat does work a little better, but I’m not sure it’s worth the price premium. The other DIY Dynamat I’ve seen is using Frost King duct insulation, but I don’t have any firsthand experience with it.