I passed “my” first 10,000 miles in the Japanese Buick.
When I took delivery in late September, 2017, it was at 13,875 and as we hit “publish” on this, we stand at 24,533 miles. I rolled up on 23,875 last Friday, January 5, 2018, which was 10,000 miles in about 16 weeks. Or 625 miles a week on average.
So how have things been so far? Pretty darn good. I don’t regret or have second thoughts about passing on the GS350 I drove. The GS is a fine car, and felt heavier and more expensive than the ES (because it is on both counts). But it felt smaller inside, with a firmer ride. And to be the “sportier” sedan, the GS has a somewhat upright profile to me. The ES looks lower, leaner, and more flowing to me. But that’s purely subjective.
I will note for the benefit of the GS owners and lovers out there, that the clear majority of the “cool” employees at my Lexus dealer cite the GS or F-Sport GS as their favorite Lexus in the bio section of the web site.
All the elderly ladies who work the front desk or in the office, cite their ES and their grandchildren as their favorite two things in the world. So there, you’re cool and I’m a dork.
I really like the 2018 Accord, and maybe I should have waited to at least test drive one first. A comparably equipped 2018 Accord Touring is about the price I paid, but has a 1.5 liter four and a CVT. Some people would prefer that, others like me would not. The 2.0 liter is optional and there is no more V6. I feel like I got more car for the same money, buying slightly used, which I guess is often the point of doing so. And I have had the best dealership experience I’ve ever had, by far, with Lexus.
But if someone chooses a new Accord or a new Camry over an ES (or an Acura), I can’t fault them for that.
For the mixed driving I do, 20%/30%/50% apportioned among city/country/interstate, the ES is a good car for me.
It has been quiet and comfortable, and I average right at 30 mpg in mixed driving, tank after tank. I’m happy with that and it’s considerably better than the EPA ratings (21 city, 30 highway, 24 combined). On an interstate trip of 300 miles or so I do every other week, I usually get 34 mpg.
My 6 foot, 6 inch co-worker fits in the front seat comfortably, and a less tall adult can still sit behind him with his seat all the way back.
The stereo, HVAC and other cabin controls have been to my liking. It all seems pretty intuitive. The HVAC especially is oddly silent under most conditions. Better than any Mercedes I have had. The 36 (!) presets on the stereo are nice to have; more than you need, for a change.
The Weather Channel information (current conditions and three day forecast for where the car is, and big cities nationwide) and traffic info (wrecks, slowdowns, construction) is provided free over HD airwaves. I don’t know the inner workings of that, but it’s great and works well.
The nav re-routes around wrecks and the like (after asking you first), with no subscription service ever needed. My son’s Jeep had this feature when it was new, but it was a trial and then you have to subscribe (which we didn’t).
The remote start feature is part of Lexus Enform, a subscription service that gives you a web portal and a smart phone app. In addition to remote starting, you can lock and unlock the car, check the odometer, oil condition, oil level, and other things, all from your phone. It also sends emails and push alerts to your phone if you left it unlocked, if the alarm goes off, if service is needed soon, etc.
It is free for a year with a new Lexus, but I had to pay. I bought the cheapest package that would give me remote start. I think it is $225.00 a year. It’s fun to play with but I don’t think I’ll renew, because a. the remote start won’t go through half the time, b. I have a garage now, c. the price seems steep for what it is, and d. I can keep up with checking the dipstick and when it is time for an oil change on my own. I wish they’d just put a remote start button on the smart key.
The one time I was glad I had Lexus Enform, my youngest son and I went on a river camping trip for four nights with his Scout troop about 300 miles from home. We all left our Dad cars at a boat ramp lot, and canoed for four days and nights down the river, setting up camp at clearings on the shore designated for such. We had been warned that there were regular break-ins and thefts of these unattended cars. I could ask the app to check the current status of the car, and it would come back 20 seconds later with a report of the GPS location of the car, doors locked, no alarms triggered, etc. That was nice peace of mind, but I’m not going river camping on a regular basis.
I have gotten used to the rear cross-path detection, front and rear parking assist, and the overly vigilant lane keeping nanny.
The rear cross-path detection has saved me from more than one bad parking lot accident that probably would have been my fault. My boys told me the Lexus had made me a worse driver, which is probably true. I would be more careful if I didn’t have all the electronic help.
I have scraped the low front chin more than once, but it doesn’t show. It is annoying to feel on guard about it all the time, however.
The paint seems to scratch quite easily. I don’t know if it is cheaper, softer, and or/thinner clear coat than I am used to, or what. The cats always sit on Bertha and don’t scratch her black paint. If they get on the Lexus and drag or slide a paw at all, I have to buff the scratches out. After I ran through a “soft cloth” car wash one very busy week, it looked like complete hell. Like someone had washed it with dry paper towels. I gave it a good rubbing out with my favorite wax and it looked fine, thank goodness. So just hand washes from now on.
I’ve tweaked a few things I found lacking in the ES.
The speaker grilles molded into the door panels look very plain and cheap. I don’t know why there isn’t at least a chrome ring around them. When I installed the Polk speakers, they came with silver emblems you could attach to your factory grilles, so that small tweak makes them look more finished to me.
I mentioned in my first write-up that the lower door panels were hard plastic. That includes the door pockets, which are not lined in any way. Anything you throw down in there just slides and rattles around. I found these rubber mats on ebay which were cheap, and work.
Keys, sunglasses, phones, whatever stays put and rides silently now. They came molded to fit all four doors and the center console storage as well.
The seat controls were black plastic and a little too cheap looking. I found these brushed metal covers online.
The 20,000 mile service was free, and was oil/filter, cabin filter, wipers, rotate tires, and inspect all the usual stuff underneath. I had a sticking power window switch that they replaced.
I’ll go for the 25,000 mile service soon because it is free, but otherwise I would skip these “in between the oil changes” visits to the dealer, I think. It’s just “rotate the tires and inspect” everything underneath for most models built the past 4 years or so.
Prior to that model year, the oil and filter changes are every 5,000 miles as well, so you are there anyway if you are a dealer service person. I think every 10,000 miles is often enough, when you have the oil/filter change and other more meaningful things to be done at 10,000 mile intervals. They do give you a new Lexus to drive and a good wash, so that’s a plus.
I bought the Toyota-specific oil filter wrench and a couple of Toyota filters, for after the free oil changes end. I’ll probably do them myself, unless something more is called for, which isn’t often.
A brake fluid flush is called for every 30,000 miles, which seems excessive for a vehicle that isn’t out fjording rivers on a regular basis. I’ll get a free one of those at 30,000 but I think I can wait until 90,000 on the next one, which will be less than three years away for me. If anyone wants to tell me this is penny wise and pound foolish, I invite constructive criticism. I can’t decide if I shouldn’t second guess Lexus, or if 30,000 mile brake flushes are just a waste.
I have had occasional second thoughts about a used LS. But, I remind myself that as great a luxury car as the LS is, a comparable year and mileage LS darn near twice the price I paid. An LS two years older, with four times the mileage, was still $10,000.00 more. I would have warranty to 2019 instead of 2022 like I have. And the financing was bank rate, not 0.9% like I have. It wasn’t worth all that extra cost price-wise and interest-wise to me, right now, with three kids just embarking on their college years.
But the LS is as “smooth as a giant stick of butter” as they would say on Coffee Talk, in a way the ES and GS aren’t.
Maybe I can get a used 2019 LS next, someday. They’ve certainly gone all in on the gaping grille motif, but I like the unusual mesh treatment. Two years of college for the oldest one down, and the middle starts this Fall! Maybe someone will need a hand-me-down ES to start their working life.
Nightfall Mica is a gorgeous color. I know Lexus gets a lot of hate for their spindle grill motif, but I think it works really well on the ES. There is one caveat regarding Lexus “branding” that bothers me, however. Now this may not be the norm everywhere, but I swear their dealership design just screams 1994 to me to a point it’s distracting. Maybe they have new standards and expect existing dealers to update, but those original layouts have aged horribly. Just look at a modern Audi dealer for comparison. And yes I know it has nothing to do with the merits of the cars themself. Maybe it’s just where I have lived, I dunno.
I know that you mean on the dealerships….especially the exterior, looks like a late 80’s office park building to me. The city where I work has two Lexus dealerships, the one I have used so far is from the inception of the brand. Old outside, but excellent location so that’s a plus. It has been kept remodeled on the inside. Lots of dark wood, stone floors, fireplace, coffee and sandwich bar, etc.
The other location is new and a somewhat different look….more white and glass.
I’m waiting for the usual comments about the aesthetic value of the spindle grille and the pointlessness of all those gadgets (“More things to break!”), maybe one about how active safety tech is indeed making us worse drivers. 🙂
I don’t think you are going to find many comments about broken gadgets in a Lexus. I am not a big fan of Toyota products but i do know that this Lexus being a Toyota, is most likely going to have no issues with broken gadgets and most likely this car will be crushed at the end of its lifespan with all the gadgets still working.
After all this is a Lexus and not a German car where switches and window motors are considered routine maintenance
Just a couple of random thoughts:
I always felt the GS, while nearly the same size as an ES, would have to be tighter on the inside due to it’s RWD layout?
Agree somewhat with your feelings about the styling and mechanical “credentials” of the new Accord. However, as a long time Honda owner, I would still buy one over any Toyota because it is still available with a manual transmission in 1 or 2 models.
The newer LS? To me they look like a real barge. Flat/boxy, and a bit too big, I almost prefer the older models that looked like Mercedes-Benz knock-offs.
It’s my experience with Hondas that in some models the first year or two of a new car will be sort of “stripped” or decontented until the design matures. I wonder if some of the little things that you have added to personalize your car, like the metal covers for switches and/or the dressing up of the speaker grilles will be incorporated into 2019-2020 models.
Perhaps the only electronic driver’s aid I would appreciate but perhaps never purchase if I didn’t have to is that rear traffic detection. Driving a car among so many SUV and CUV I often have close calls due to drivers who won’t yield to anyone reversing out of a parking slot.
The new LS is also alarmingly portly, and a review I was looking at claims that some options the previous generation offered (like self-parking) have disappeared.
Ate up with motor:
I wonder if something like self-parking “disappears” when a newer driver aid comes along?
Does Lexus offer Apple Car Play and/or the Android equivalent? Supposedly that is a demerit against Toyota’s.
My 2016 ES does not have Car Play or the Android equivalent. I assume the new 2019 Avalon/ES is going to update a lot of things like that. It doesn’t bother me, but I have never had it either. It’s probably one of those features that once you have it, you can’t do without it….
Actually, Toyota is one of the few automakers who has not implemented Android Auto and Apple CarPlay at all, on any of its vehicles.
I have it on my latest car; it ain’t all that.
Agreed. A USB port works just fine when you Spotify. Try scrolling thru 800+ songs with your steering wheel and you realize real quick it’s just a different end to a means.
Given a choice between a new Accord and a slightly used ES I’d probably make the same choice. Given a choice between a slightly used ES and a New Mercedes-Benz Metris for less money… well the Metris in the driveway says it, eh?
Gml: We’re getting tired of this perpetual comment about your Metris. It’s simply repetitive and inappropriate, especially given the context. And it just keeps on happening. So from now on, whenever you do this, in a setting that is not relevant, it will simply disappear.
So you bought a truck passenger van instead of a luxury car. Not even apples and oranges.
Any “Coffee Talk” reference is a plus for me: “The peanut is neither a pea nor a nut, discuss amongst yourselves…”
Interesting update, and some contrasts to our 2016 Highlander with which this shares (I believe) the engine, basic platform and other items such as the center instrument display (identical layout, font etc). Maybe even the gauges, they look really familiar.
1. You get around 10mpg more than us in similar driving conditions. Does yours have the 8speed? Of course the shape, drive format, and likely weight affect this hugely too…
2. The paint sounds just like ours, way thinner than the MB. Forgivable in a Toyota, a bit annoying on a Lexus. I suppose your color is more sensitive than most…
3. We get/have the same service intervals, except our wash is done poorly and sometimes leaves the car looking dirtier than when it went in. Always still soaking wet. Now we just ask them to skip it…Will need to look into the brake flush though, we aren’t at 30k yet. Brakes are warped already though…
I can’t stand the fee-based subscription services and end up always skipping them. It always feels like a huge money grab to me. Should be standard through the entire warranty period or something, and then maybe a reasonable one-time lifetime (or ownership period) fee.
As far as I know we have the same engine. I have a 6 speed auto. Google tells me your Highlander should weigh 4134-4508 pounds, while my ES weighs 3571-3660 pounds. So yours could weigh almost 1000 pounds more. And 90% of the time, I’m by myself with no cargo but my briefcase and laptop.
Yeah, on the paint, I would probably get a lighter color if I got another Lexus. Easier to care for. This dark blue is going to require constant waxing to look right.
I also liked an identical metallic white (Eminent Pearl?) ES with black interior and examined them side by side on purchase day. Would have been an easier color to maintain, for sure.
I have to tell you that I simply don’t give credence to mpg/mileage displays from a car’s computer. The only accurate way is to calculate actual fuel used over the miles run. These displays are almost inevitably optimistic, sometimes quite a lot so. Your mileage seems rather…remarkable. 34mpg, on the highway? With a V6? Wow. That’s Camry hybrid mileage. Maybe you drive on the slow side?
The mpg display on my Nissan is always optimistic by at least 10%. Someday I will reset it at the start of a long trip and not touch it until the end, and then compare that against my actual mpg. That might be a fun article for CC. I keep track of my actual mpg on a page at Economodder – here is a screenshot:
I’ll do some checking with paper and pencil for the next few tanks and see what I find out with that method. I can’t say the screen 100% accurate, but the “30 MPG since reset” was over 5 or 6 tanks (since I last reset it).
I don’t know that I drive slow, but I tend to stay close to the speed limit and use the cruise when I can (70 in a 65, etc.). So yeah, I’m usually in the slow lane and being passed by most.
My claim is also from the trip computer so at least the comparo is sort of apples to apples. Latest was around 22mpg from Northern Colorado to Vegas and back to Northern Colorado, but loaded up with 5 people, luggage and generally cruising at 80-85. More normal on the display with more around town (lot of 0-45-0mph etc and 1-3 people in car) is high teens which is fairly abysmal but at least it takes regular gas. I’m sure hand calculating would be more accurate but I’m scared that it’ll be even lower.
The display on my Mazda 3 (2L 4, 165 hp) says 7.5 L/100 Km (31.36 MPG) combined, filling to the brim and calculating gave me an average of 7.4 (31.79) on a number of trips. I also noticed that the speedo – when compared with the satnav – is also very accurate. I have to confess I did not expect this. Is Mazda more honest than others?
Yes, 34 MPG for the ES is amazing if it truly manages it.
The display on my Mazda 3 (2L 4, 165 hp) says 7.5 L/100 Km (31.36 MPG) combined, filling to the brim and calculating gave me an average of 7.4 (31.79) on a number of trips. I noticed that the speedo – when compared with the satnav – is also very accurate. I have to confess I did not expect this. Is Mazda more honest than others?
Yes, 34 MPG for the ES is amazing if it truly manages it.
The mileage readout on my Lexus RX 350 is the most accurate of several cars that have had this feature. Below 25 MPG it is pretty close to actual, above that it is a little optimistic. As you can see from the graph there is a fair amount scatter, but that can be the result of a number of things such as how full the tank is filled, etc.
The evaporative emissions system captures fuel spill over from the fuel tank, which is usually more with a full tank. My XT5 seems to have about a gallon of fuel go through the evaporation emissions system per tankful. With a full tank of fuel and the average miles per gallon reset I can get over 30 MPG on a long trip. As I get to the bottom of the tank, the average is less than 30, more like 28 or 29 MPG. A strong head wind will reduce that more, and cold weather is also not good.
currently my overall average is https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList2&make=Cadillac&model=XT5%20AWD
This reminds me how much I loved having 40 radio presets in our old BMW X5. You could mix them from any band/source (am, fm, satellite). And you could cycle through them using the steering wheel buttons.
It had another great, related feature: the numbered “radio preset” buttons on the dashboard could be programmed to activate almost any iDrive function. So I used #1 to dial my wife’s phone, #2 to direct the nav system to take us home, and the rest of the buttons for actual radio stations.
I had an E70 X5 as well, and I never used the radio presets. Indeed, the damned thing spent so much time at the dealer, I didn’t get to use it much at all.
I think my favorite radio feature was actually on my Chrysler with the UConnect – When a song came on that you liked you could hit a button for it to remember either the song or the artist (your choice each time) and whenever that song or artist came on again on ANY channel (not just programmed ones) a little note would pop up on the screen telling you and asking if you wanted to go there. After a while you’d build up a great “library”.
That does sound nice, if not essentially a copy of Shazam in a sense.
Given a choice between a slightly used ES and a ’18 Accord, I’ll buy the Accord! To each his own on misperceived “beauty”, but to this retired Industrial Designers’ eyes the unified, mostly flowing look of the new Accord RUNS away from any Lexus product, in particular at the front.
The surface development down the flanks is noticeably clean, fresh and interesting, too. OTOH, no Polk Audio speakers; might be K-Mart blue light specials tho-typical Honda 🙁
The Accord has a GR8 driver’s 12 way seat, responsive suspension and even with the 1.5L turbo, good performance and fine mileage 🙂 DFO
I do think a new Accord is an excellent choice! Good looking. If anyone can do a silky smooth and powerful 1.5 liter four, it’s Honda.
Call Crutchfield and talk to them about swapping the door and dash speakers out. Probably super easy with their instructions. I’d skip the rear deck speakers, probably too much trouble.
Call them instead of trying to use the website; they can direct you to the speakers that will work well with the factory power levels.
Three pairs of Polk speakers for the ES were $340 and it was a night and day difference. I did the four doors and dash speakers. I left the rear deck and subwoofer alone as the headliner, C panel trim, and then the rear deck (“hat shelf”) have to come out. Not worth it.
Yeah, the new Accord looks good in general. The Civic, not so much. A lot of uncoordinated shapes and lines and overdone details like all the fake corner air intakes/exhausts. I’m pretty sure the Honda designers took a look at the European Passat and it’s better off for that. The way the hood opening touches the top of the grille/headlight edge for a couple of inches is weird, and I’m not so sure about the tail lights and how they fit in or don’t, but it’s not bad overall.
So if you got a message indicating your car had been tampered with on the second day of your canoe trip, wouldn’t that have ruined the rest of it for you? I’d rather not know until I got back.
It would have meant I would have had a reason to cut the canoe trip short and return to shore, which might have been a plus.
He mentioned it happened “regularly”. If it were me, I think I’d find another camping spot.
You’re missing my point. If my car had been broken into, I’d rather not know about it until I got back. There’s really nothing one can do about it at that stage anyway. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
As a regular canoeist I agree with Paul, don’t want to know. In fact we used to just leave our vehicle unlocked and take our valuables along until one time somebody helped themselves to our tie down ropes! That was an interesting trip home.
Besides, if you have a car worth worrying over you’re doing it wrong. The late great film maker Bill Mason said that the goal was to have the last car in the parking lot that would get stolen or broken into..
Conversely it appears that Bill Mason would have the car most likely to have a set of pictures taken of by any of us… 🙂
I’ve heard of this at other trail head type parking spots. The local rednecks know the car will be there for a day or two, or in the case of a rafting lot or similar, a number of days. You need a rusted out 1976 Econoline or something to park there.
Nice ES- and yes, I love the color. My brother in law bought his wife a ’97 Lexus LS, and she drove the car for 15 relatively trouble free years. Unfortunately any luxury car, including the Lexus, can generate some stupefyingly expensive repair bills as the years and miles roll on. When the Climate Control quits, and the starter’s acting like it might, it’s time to think about your options. In their case, they drove the new LS, and were disappointed in the car. The overall impression was that it didn’t feel as heavy, solid, or as well made as their ’97. They wound up with a new ’13 ES, and last I heard that car was as trouble-free and enjoyable as their prior Lexus.
I could make the argument that a uplevel Camry or Avalon would fill the same role, but the in-laws made this one observation. “They pick up the car at her work for service, drop off a loaner, then return it cleaned. What’s that worth?” OK, I get it. Brother in law himself drives European. “Lease new, toss the keys back before the warranty expires.” Smart man, IMO. This is the same guy that still has the ’97 Suburban I sold them new, and happily wrenches on it when it needs attention.
re: Accord. I have nothing against Accords (we’ve owned three), but in ’16 there were two major items that bothered us. The dash layout, and the way it drove with the CVT. I’m still adjusting to the styling on the new Accord- not sure if I’m feeling the love or not.
Nice car from the looks of it, I bought a used car 8 days ago and have put 2400 kms on it oddly enough the fuel use display appears to be close full it said 1040 kms to empty and at 1040kms it took 62 litres to brim full the tank holds 68, I got used to deadly accurate fuel use displays in the DAF tanker last year what it said you used was exactly the amount it took on refill, my car claims average useage at 6.8 litres /100kms I havent bothered to translate that into mpg.
I was dubious about the 30,000 mile brake fluid changes…until I remember that brake fluid is hygroscopic. This is a quote from Wiki:
“Most automotive professionals agree that glycol-based brake fluid, (DOT 3, DOT 4, DOT 5.1) should be flushed, or changed, every 1–2 years under non-racing conditions.[9] Many manufacturers also require periodic fluid changes to ensure reliability and safety. Once installed, moisture diffuses into the fluid through brake hoses and rubber seals and, eventually, the fluid will have to be replaced when the water content becomes too high”
Considering that I don’t want components of my anti-lock system to be rusty and to need expensive replacement, I think changing the fluid is cheap insurance. My life and undamaged bodywork are worth the nominal cost. Remember the goopy brake fluid in the master cylinder of that classic you bought? The one that needed all four wheel cylinders replaced? That owner never changed the fluid.
My cars have gone 140K miles or so and never a thought of changing the brake fluid. The last one just expired at 27 years, and it was even a GM product. It was sent away with 27 year old brake fluid in it. I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea to do it, apparently.
I recently test drove a new ES and thought it had quite a bit of road noise over coarse surfaces for a luxury/near luxury sedan. Do you think cars have gotten noisier in the past 10 years or sobecause of larger wheels, harder tires for fuel economy, lighter weight, and of course the adoption of unit bodies instead of frames? I also tested an Accord, a new Camry, a Mazda 6, and a few others, and they all seemed to have more tire noise then I remember in past vehicles.
I think larger wheels/tires cause a lot of this. One reason I was leaning towards the ES over say, a used E-Class, is for smaller wheels that are all four the same size. More sidewall means more flex and lower noise.
Most E-Classes, and the LS & GS, come with larger, wider, and staggered wheels. You can’t rotate them, they wear unevenly front vs. rear, it’s usually more performance oriented sizes, etc.
The ES has 17 inch wheels and 215/55/17 tires. Not very sporty or aggressive. But lots of quiet touring tires at reasonable prices, and you can rotate. I have had two cars with staggered 19 inch wheels and it was something I specifically did not want again.
I also added Dynamat to the ES and that made a significant difference. Two kits, about 50 sq. feet / 80 pounds of asphalt sound deadening. When I had the door panels off, I did all four doors. I removed the trunk lining and did the floor, lid, and inside the rear quarter panels (directions say just cover 30% of any given surface area). I removed the rear seat and did it under there. I pulled the front wheel well liners loose and applied it the bulkhead of the cabin at that area aft of the wheels. I have some 1/4 inch thick Dynamat foam for under the carpet, but haven’t done it yet.
I thought the ES was OK sound wise, but Crutchfield really hypes the Dynamat as a way to get better bass and sound from your stereo. I found it cheaper elsewhere online, so I tried it. I need to do a write up on it. Made me a real believer. When I am going down the interstate with the cruise on 70, I usually have the volume on “2” or “3”, as the cabin is so quiet. It’s about like an LS now, I guess the LS adds that much deadening into the price.
I was extremely curious as to how swapping 3 speakers made such a difference in sound quality, but now that I know Dynamat was used, that makes a lot more sence. Typically just improving the amplifier before even the speakers can make a big difference (it sure did in my Celica). I take it yours doesn’t have the Mark Levinson system then?
I bought three PAIRS, so I replaced all four door speakers and both dash speakers. I therefore swapped them all out, except the rear deck which has the subwoofer. I don’t have Mark Levinson, but I’m plenty happy with the arrangement now. It sounds clearer and has better bass than the systems in the S550 or the my wife’s Cayenne.
I was interested in Mark Levinson, but none of the lightly used ES’s had it. I drove a 2013 ES that had the Ultra package with pano roof, Mark Levinson, etc. But it had 50,000 miles and was not certified (therefore little or no warranty or 0.9% financing).
I think you should have no trouble at all reaching at least 200,000 miles on this car with no issues. I have never met a person that has had a bad experience owning a Lexus product.
I think some of those service times are excessive. I think 30,000 miles is low for a brake flush. I would be surprised if the brake pads are even halfway worn yet.
As for the 2018 Camry. It is ugly. It seems that Toyota tries to make the Camry even uglier each refresh. It is ok to make a car that is the best seller in the USA attractive. Toyota needs to look at the best selling vehicle in the USA (the Ford F Series truck) and take lessons from it. Year after year the F-series looks even better and year after year it is the best selling vehicle in the USA.
May your Lexus give you miles and miles of good memories
ES is Consumers Report all time favorite, yet New York Times once said it was the best car for people did not like to drive. Definitely get a lot of inspired luxury car buryer. Lexus/Toyota use the same play book GM used for badging engineering , sell ES as Buick in 50s and 60s. The real irony is Buick vehicles theses days are mordem and good handle. Again Consumers Report claims its Regal GS is the best sport sedan beating Audis, BMW, Mercedes and Cadillac CTS. One more thing is worth to mention the front wheel drive Buick has a better and more advanced chassis while Lexus ES is based on the aging Camry. Actually GS should be very good, being it shares the chassis with Crown, a true Japanese luxury car that American fails to appreciate
As you probably already know, the Buick Regal is an Opel Insignia. The 2018 is a new model (why do I keep seeing online ads picturing the old one?). It is also the last GM Opel. Will they turn into Peugeot Opels next time? GM has Buick in China to think about also, and they are mostly Opels too.
I don’t understand GM selling Opel or how it could have been losing money, since the same vehicles are sold all over the world as Vauxhalls and Buicks. And some platform sharing between GM USA and Opel as well – like Malibu and Insignia/Regal. The Buick Encore is an Opel Mokka (or something). The now departing Verano is a sedan Astra and also sold in China.
Beautiful car! Dark blue on a luxury car is just all-out classy. Personally id love the hybrid version….
Great car. HIDEOUS angry catfish front ends. No thanks.
Still beats some of the stuff Acura has launched lately. There’s a division hat seems to be committing suicide.