Phil was my neighbor. He was a supervisor for the city bus service. Like my family, his was a typical middle class family living in an average suburban home. Shortly after we moved into the neighborhood, my wife and I ventured next door and met Phil and his wife. I also wanted to check out his brand-new car, he had just bought a Neon SRT4. Phil and I became friendly neighbors. We were never really close friends, but we talked once or twice per week. Usually the conversation turned to cars. He liked cars and knew a fairly good amount about them. He kept up with the newest models and prototypes more than I did. He never worked on cars and wasn’t the mechanic type, that was more my thing.
Phil was originally from the northeast but had been living in Florida for a few years. We had been neighbors for about two years when he got some bad news. His dad was killed in some kind of accident. We agreed to take care of their pets and get their mail for them when they went back up north.
About a month later Phil began talking about supercars. Specifically, he was interested in late model (not new) Lamborghinis. It turns out that Phil’s Father had a half million dollar life insurance policy. Phil’s mother, sister, and he were co-beneficiaries. Details and more info >
I advised Phil to stay away from exotics because of the high maintenance costs. He said that he could afford the maintenance (but his wife had mentioned tight finances to my wife more than one time before). I was trying to steer him toward a Caddy CTS-V – they were new then. He said he wanted something with “more panache.”
I’ll never forget the sound of the exhaust. The week after Christmas, 2006 he came down our street with a brand new 2006 Ford GT. Manufactured in the summer of ‘06, it was black with double white stripes. To my eye, it looked extremely dark blue, but either way, a gorgeous vehicle. If memory serves, it had approximately 150 miles on it. He was not shy about the monetary details; the dealer wanted $167,500 but he was able to get it for about $161,000. This was nearly his entire share of the insurance settlement. He had to use the Neon as a trade-in to pay the taxes.
I remember the car was amazingly low to the ground. The door frames were cut into roof, and I had never seen that before. He took me for a ride and it was a blast. The handling was like riding in an oversized go cart. The supercharged 5.4 V8 right behind your head had a marvelous roar. He said he would let me drive it “after the newness wore off.” It was arguably the best production American sports car ever built – to that date. Ford had done it. They captured the essence of the Le Mans winners of the 60s.
Phil’s car insurance premiums shot up. The Ford GT was his daily driver. I did some math, and was trying to convince him that if he found some cheap transportation, it would essentially cost him nothing because of the savings he would realize from reduced usage on the GT. He was bothered. “Why would I stop driving it?” he asked. He said it reminded him of his father. I told him that it would retain more value if he weren’t putting so many miles on it. He said it made him happy, and he frequently quoted the phrase “You only live once.”
Over the next two years or so my neighbor’s GT accumulated a lot of miles. Much more than the other 4,000 or so of these that were made. It accumulated some other things too; paint chips across the front, a scuffed front corner and some electrical issues.
At some point I noticed the GT was staying parked in the garage. Phil was riding an older model Kawasaki. He came over one evening and asked what I knew about bent rims. Could they be straightened? Where might a used wheel be obtained? I went over to have a look. The front passenger rim was badly warped. Making matters worse, when he started it, there was a tick coming from engine compartment. I couldn’t tell if it was a simple exhaust leak, or something more serious and internal. And I still had never gotten to drive it.
In the summer of 2012 Phil and his wife announced they were moving back, to near Hoboken, New Jersey. Phil’s mother was getting older, and she was alone. He contemplated selling the GT to help pay for a new house. I thought it would be hard to sell without some reconditioning. Furthermore, he would not get the price he expected because of the miles it had on the odometer. I seemed to always be the bearer of bad news, but the way I saw it, I was just the voice of reality.
In the end, Phil elected to put it on a trailer and tow it behind their moving truck. The day I helped him load it I noticed into what poor condition it had become. The interior looked used and dirty, two of the tires were worn down to the cords, and it definitely needed an alignment. Other than sporadic oil changes, it had received virtually no maintenance. I didn’t know if I even wanted to drive it now. It was sad witnessing that beautiful supercar deteriorate.
My wife and Phil’s wife keep in touch. Hurricane Sandy hit them hard later that same year. There was high water and a lot of destruction where they were. Thousands of peoples’ cars were scrapped. The GT was flooded. It was supposedly completely submerged under water. Of course, it was declared a total loss. I never found out the details, but I’ve always wondered if the insurance company knew of the condition of that Ford GT before the storm finished it off.
To me, Phil is an example of buying a car beyond your means. While he technically could afford it, he couldn’t really afford it.
One last thing. Don’t be too hasty in passing judgment on my old neighbor. He was grieving. Also, remember this was a difficult time economically for our nation. I know Phil and his wife were also having some issues with their kid during this time too.
Oh, have any of us taken perfect care of our cars? I haven’t. Is there anyone who has done every bit of recommended maintenance, on schedule, every time?
Classic cautionary tale–if you couldn’t afford to buy the car without a windfall of some sort, you can’t afford the upkeep. It may be a Ford, but it’s still going to be very expensive in terms of insurance, tires, and the like. (This is less of a rule for older models, though it depends on how exotic we’re talking and how much of the work you can do yourself…)
Not judging, just noting–on the flip side, he got to enjoy an experience that most people only dream about. And the hurricane probably did him a favor in the end!
Men… And women… like the neighbor are uually colorful ppl. Interesting and fun. Life experieces out the ying yang. He was on the verge $… But so what…. While one person was wishing he drove it even once… The other realized an experience most everyone dreams about. I wish I had more if that in me….but I’m trying.
Yeah, but if you get into a sports car and crash the police will be scraping your innards off the sidewalk and the nearest tree. There are plenty of ‘Life Experiences’ that are really not worth experiencing.
If Neighbor Phil and his wife were having money issues at the time of the inheritance I’m surprised she didn’t strangle Phil for pissing away all $161,000 on a car.
The mileage is the main factor insurance companies use when determining value. So he got less due to high miles, but after the flood it seems wear and tear vs. incident damage would be pretty hard to determine.
So he got to enjoy (and maybe somewhat abuse) the car the way he wanted, and then got an insurance settlement. Hopefully this happened before he repaired the wheel and body damage.
Cars are similar to women, in the fact that it is a working relationship. You have to put in your time or your fast woman in a red dress, can turn into your slow woman with a dishrag dress. I think it is easier to start off with a driver type of car, that has already gotten a few chips in the paint. It is definitely cheaper buying used, and if you touch up the chips and maintain your ride, it will provide you with satisfaction for a long time.
It’s like guys who own and fly WWII warbirds – the purchase price is the smallest check they’ll ever write…
All of us, as car enthusiasts want to experience our dreams, at least once in our lives!
There is no such thing as a “cheap exotic car”. I agree with you Ed, the purchase price is just the initiation fee into a very expensive fraternity with “less than cheap”, often “excessive” service and parts costs–the ongoing never ending fraternity dues. Some who do major services by themselves may disagree with me.
Limited production, typical of exotics, means limited availability of parts, especially as time (years and decades) goes on, sometimes necessitating frustrating, worldwide, at times fruitless, internet searches.
An exotic, inexpensive daily driver is a fantasy, as this story shows. An exotic is invariably, an ever demanding, mistress requiring an open checkbook. Ah, stories for another time.
Better he had kept the Neon, or bought a Honda Civic, and then treated himself to an exotic car track weekend rental.or to have done a week long track school, like the Bondurant school, to have experienced the “dream”.
Paul’s dream of a Model A Ford, as expressed some time back, or of a Corvair, even a VW powered 914, makes more and more sense as time goes on, in place of the siren call of an “exotic”. Ed, your Holden, here in the US, is to me, is an agreeably manageable, serviceable choice and it was great to have seen it in Dearborn. Similarly for JP’s and Jason’s choices, and dreams describe in CC contributions.
Life is, as was said so wisely long ago, “the stuff of dreams” . The daily writings in CC helps share those community wide dreams. It is best for most of us to read about Exotics, to dream about them, but to let others experience the ownership travails. Dreams are pleasures, real life not always.
Everything is relative, as they say, and I’m currently in “Process Mode” over a potential purchase that I fear I might come to regret. This story is cautionary, and gives me pause.
My own potential purchase isn’t mine, actually, but my partner’s, although I’ll undoubtedly deal with the fallout if it goes poorly. The car’s not a “Supercar”, and the numbers are nowhere near those referenced here, but I’m concerned, so I’ll share it for commentary. Advice is appreciated.
My other half and I are planning a move to a city about 150 miles from where I live now. He’s been about 1000 miles away for some months working on some personal things and working a temporary job in the meantime. We’re planning the move for October if all goes according to the plan.
We’ve agreed that sharing one car, while not totally impractical, nor impossible with somewhat decent public transit available, is a pain, and it can cause undue strain on relationships, build resentment at times, etc. So I’ll be keeping my current car for use primarily as my own conveyance. He’ll need to buy a car. Here’s the thing: Money’s tight and he knows nothing about cars. Coincidentally, a friend of mine has a ’97 (or maybe ’99 or ’00, I’m not sure) BMW 3-series sedan in his garage, unused for about 18 months, which supposedly needs only “A Major Tuneup”. He’ll let this car go for about $1500. Great price. Maybe.
Well, of course The Other One caught wind of this option and latched on like a pit bull. It’s a BMW, it’s the right color, the price is right. He’s already cruising through life in this thing in his mind. I’m terrified. I already anticipate the “Major Tuneup” turning into 4-figures right off the bat. I further expect that 18 months of disuse will mean various and sundry glitches to be dealt with at inopportune times. And it’s a BMW, so everything will be 1.5-2X more than comparable repairs to my lowly Chrysler. I’ll mention here for the sake of clarity that “The Other One” is 22 years my junior, with a very optimistic view of things, but very little patience for events not in line with this viewpoint, and I’m not particularly fond of being cast as the curmudgeon.
I’m thinking this $1500 BMW will be a $6000 pain in the ass within 6 months, and am trying to steer the conversation more toward a $2500 Sentra or Civic, but this is not likely a battle I’ll win. So if anyone has insight into 16-20 year old BMWs with a history of benign neglect, long periods of disuse and an apparent immediate need for “A Major Tuneup”. I’m open to advice. (I’ll mention that the car DOES run, and has somewhere in the vicinity of 130-150k on the clock. Beyond that I know little else.)
Sorry for the Dear Abby post, but I rather trust the community here, I think.
Consider having the $1,500 Bimmer checked out by a reputable mechanic. The surviving “Car Talk” brother recommends a web site that may help to locate one, but I don’t remember the web address.
A couple hundred spent on a trustworthy appraisal of the car’s current condition might be money well spent! 🙂
My advise would be to buy a $5000 BMW instead.
Any $1500 car, is really equal to a $200 car; expect to have to junk it at any time, unless you pray for luck. Too used up to be worth spending on. Its not a classic that grows value as you put money into it.
“Major tuneup” to me,reads “needs rebuilt engine”.
This may be what you are thinking of:
http://www.cartalk.com/mechanics-files
One word RUN.
You might have to be the curmudgeon, MTN. Going from a 17-20 yr. old Beemer that’s been sitting for a while to becoming a daily driver that already needs a major tune-up is going to be costly. You’re correct to assume there will be lots of money spent to get the BMW back to being reliable daily transportation. As you’ve noted, they’re not inexpensive to repair. Unless you or your partner have some extra ‘mad money’ lying around heretofore undiscovered better stick with the Sentra or Civic notions. My mother’s had two Beemer’s in a row: a 2004 convertible and a 2012 big sedan. They’ve been reliable cars, but I’ve not noted anything being cheap to fix when something goes wrong.
if this one is built before february 2000, here is another point against: the early bodies are prone to develop ruptures where the rear axle assembly is attached, the issue caused some nasty press echo over here in its time. some break sooner, other later. for this price category it’s a total loss. as is the renewing of all the wear items on rear and front suspension, which considering the mileage is sure overdue (again). just don’t touch it.
I’m not going to continue to hijack this thread with my personal travails, but let me express thanks to those who commented, as I probably needed at least a couple of knowledgeable people to cosign what my gut was already telling me.
The friend who owns the car has had it in his household since new, and it was previously driven by his ex, but has been stored on and off over the past several years. When last on the road daily it was running fairly well, but with a few quirks. He’s not renowned for being a maintenance fanatic, and I fear that his rosy view of its viability as a daily driver is a bit unrealistic. (He’s a friend, so I certainly don’t think he’s being misleadingly optimistic, it’s just kind of his nature.)
On the surface the deal was presented as sort of a mutually beneficial exchange, as he’d get his garage space back, with a few bucks thrown in to make it fair, and we’d get the needed extra vehicle without having to shop for one that might be more trouble than its worth anyway. But I’d probably have a better feeling about it if the car in question was a Chevy Cavalier or a Honda Civic, etc. Anything that old that’s been sitting for that long is going to have an issue here and there, but as these responses have helped to clarify, this seems to be a potential nightmare. And why jeopardize a friendship when there’s very likely someone out there who’d gladly pay the same amount to free up his garage space, and who he’d never have to see or hear from again.
Thanks all for the free therapy;)
My wife drives a 1998 BMW 328i. We bought it new for her but her daily commute was (she’s retired now) very short and the car currently has 69,000 miles on it since new. I’ve been religious about the servicing and the car has always been garaged so it’s in excellent condition. All this being said, let’s use it as a best case scenario for a “20 year old” BMW.
With one thing or another the car costs me roughly $1500 a year in repairs and maintenance, and that is with never having had any serious problems.
However, things wear out just with age on an old car. Here are three quick examples:
1. A gear for the recline mechanism for the passenger seat failed. Naturally when it fails the seat goes to full recline: must be fixed. The gear was $70 and installation was $400.
2. The fan controller for the electric radiator fan failed. Naturally, when it fails it fails in the On position which drains the battery: must be fixed. A new controller was only $90. However it was $450 to install it as it was necessary to disassemble the nose of the car to get to the component.
3. The brakes on a BMW are usually only good for 25,000 miles as they are a performance design. Being a performance design, when you replace the brake pads, you also must replace the brake rotors (not true on most cars). A brake job on all four wheels will run you more than $600 at a shop; you can probably do it yourself assuming time, talent, and tools, for less than $400.
You can kid yourself and say that you will do the other more complicated repairs mentioned by yourself but you won’t. Unless you know the cars like a shop does you won’t know why seat is stuck in recline until you take the seat out and take it apart. Similarly, you will only know that the battery is dead and the car won’t start and (after buying a new $175 BMW battery), something is draining the battery.
Too long/ didn’t read version – If you must buy a $1500 beater car, a very common old GM car is a much better bet. The cars are cheap, the parts are cheap, and any shadetree mechanic has tons of experience keeping them alive. Remember this motto:
GM cars run poorly longer than most cars run at all
FWIW
On the other hand if losing a couple of thousand isn’t going to cause massive problems for you then the BMW could be a good, though not cheap lesson.
Several potential lessons.
#1 BMWs aren’t the expensive maintenance hogs that everyone claims.
#2 Old expensive cars are not cheap to keep.
#3 How to afford to keep an older expensive car when you don’t have the money to pay someone to fix it for you. IE learning to work on cars, even if it is the easier stuff.
#1 seems pretty unlikely and may turn out to bite you in the long run when the nex old BMW comes along and it proves what everyone says.
#2 seems most likely
#3 doesn’t seem very likely either but it could be the best possible lesson that could come out of such an endeavor and well worth losing a little money on the BMW before bailing out.
Dear Abby, eh? Okeh, you asked for it, you got it (as Toyota used to say).
You don’t really need insight into a 16-to-20-year-old BMW with (or without) a history of neglect; you already know fully well that Bimmer or another car like it is going to eat you out of house and home.
Plain talk: your other half needs to grow the eff up in a hurry about this. That doesn’t necessarily mean he will; in fact, he probably won’t (if I were to see my 20something self walking down the street I’d cross to the other side and duck into a shop or an alley to avoid him, because tossing him up against a wall and hollering “GROW UP, YOU OBNOXIOUS, MOUTHY, SELFISH GIT!” in his face wouldn’t work).
My own other half of 18 years, 11 years my senior, did a remarkable job putting up with the last decade or so of my case of mad car disease—replete with the smug certitude, rose-tint glasses, conveniently selective myopia, tortured rationales, indefensible decisions and spends, etc—that came of my having grown up in the suburbs.
Sounds like your partner is still in the full-on delirious throes not only of mad car disease (a particularly nasty, expensive condition when coupled with ignorance of cars) but also of youth—what’s he in, his 20s?—so either you’ll have to put down your foot and say a flat no and cope with the resultant you’re-a-mean-daddy tantrums until they peter out, or you’ll have to suffer the financial wreckage a car like that will visit on its owner(s).
That BMW (and others like it) could serve you well, though, as a springboard for the tough but necessary conversation about how partnership is a lot more than just living at the same address, waking up together, walking down the street together, and all that good stuff. It also means each partner has to make most decisions with regard to their effect on the both of you, not just on himself. That’s a difficult transition for a lot of people to make, especially for younger people who don’t have a lot of successful-relationship experience. I certainly skinned my knees (and worse) well more than once learning that lesson. But it’s a major part of being a grownup in a grownup relationship, so.
And a special thank you to Mr. Stern for his unique and universally appreciated brand of tough love.
The above is more insightful than I’ll even give it credit for. In truth though, it’s not going to be so tough to have this conversation. After 8 years we now manage to work together with some degree of synergy. If memory serves I think I can at least credit myself with having somewhat shed my rose colored glasses by the time I was just shy of 30, so I’m going to drop the bomb and hope for the best. Sometimes it’s all in the delivery.
When all else fails though, we have each learned some very creative ways to say “I told you so” and if not laugh about it to at least smirk discreetly.
Y’wecome. “Just shy of 30” is a very good thing. My other half swore up and down a lot of things would change when I turned 30. I thought he was full of it (because of course I did); just because of a round number it didn’t make any sense that 30/29 should be much different than 29/28. But he was right; a whole lot of BS rapidly fell away once I turned 30. Good riddance, too; not only did that evolution make my own life easier, but also the world will put up with a lot from a 20something that won’t be accepted from a 30something. I found the 40/39 divide to be similarly uplifting, too, though it’s becoming apparent since then that knees, sinuses, rotator cuffs, and spines are airtight proof against “intelligent design”.
(And yes, the successful couple has more words and phrases for “I toldjya so”—some of which involve no utterance at all—than the Eskimos are mythically said to have for snow.)
Just going to dogpile a bit here. I bought a $1200 BMW last fall (97 328 convertible, automatic).
There are plenty of boards online to help you find a good mechanic in your area to do a pre purchase inspection. It’s going to cost a little more money to do all of the simple things (brakes, oil, etc.) And a few things you really need to have some money standing by (suspension).
I haven’t found the job outside the abilities of a solid shade tree mechanic, but I wouldn’t want to rely on it for my daily driver either.
One caveat that hasn’t been mentioned: it’s not hard for them to overheat (the temp gauge is more of a switch than a true gauge) and an over heat means head gasket, water pump, and probably radiator.
All that said, I love it, possibly the second best cheap car I’ve purchased (the best being the 2002 Suburban for $1400) and I wish I had driven it to work today.
Good ones go at that price here any BMW that age needing work is usually in the low to mid hundreds, the parts can be very expensive.
“My own other half of 18 years, 11 years my senior, did a remarkable job putting up with the last decade or so of my case of mad car disease—replete with the smug certitude, rose-tint glasses, conveniently selective myopia, tortured rationales, indefensible decisions and spends, etc—that came of my having grown up in the suburbs. ”
Wise words indeed and remember : I’m pretty sure Daniel like me does his own service work, you don’t ….
You sometimes have to be the Adult in these matters .
I’m lucky in that my Sweet (14 years older than I) was the one who coaxed me against my will into buying an old Mercedes Diesel ~ if I couldn’t fix / maintain it we’d be flat broke now .
RUN AWAY from the worthless Bimmer ! .
Best of luck with the new house .
-Nate
After having a restoration/detail shop for 50 years, with 60% of the customers having at least one BMW, I learned from them that 3 series cost $1500=$3000 a year, 5 series $2500-$5000, and 6-7 series cost $5000-$15000 a year to maintain for ‘normal” wear.
I was fortunate enough to have friends who had and shared their exotic cars with me. (Ferrari’s, Maserati’s, Facel Vega, Citroen SM and other’s) and had many sports cars including Jaguars (the original money pit).
In 1971 I bought a wrecked 1964 Buick Riviera (I did the bodywork and paint on it) Mechanically it was still perfect. The car had been “breathed on” by the first owner and had much more power than stock, and had suspension to match. It has eaten Vipers and a real Cobra, is one of the best looking cars on the planet, is quiet and comfortable at 150+ mph, and the list of maintenance since 1971? Upper ball joints, replacement bushings for sway bar, one wheel bearing, Timing gear and cover, water pumps, heater core, one power window motor, new shocks, and normal oil changes and lubes, with fluid changes. The total spent was less than $1500 for 46 years of driving. Standard Rivieras are sexy, fast, comfortable and drivers have a price range from $3000 to $35000 (or more) are very satisfying, true, mpg ranges 12 to 17 mpg but reliability balances out. My favorite Ferrari my friend had was a 365 GT 2+2. A ’63-64-65 Riviera with well tuned 425 and stiffened suspension does all the Ferrari does, more comfortably and horrendously less cost.
I wouldn’t say that he ruined it I’d say that he enjoyed it, and probably enjoyed it much more than those owners who kept it parked except for rare occasions. I say good for him, he lived his dream even if it was for a short time.
Wow, what a great story with a melancholy ending. I can’t even imagine using a GT as an everyday driver. Hopefully the insurance company gave him a decent payout so he could enjoy himself somewhat more with the inheritance.
Yea it was an illogical decision, but at least he had his supercar and enjoyed it. We should all have such memories.
Exactly!
+1, if he made out okay on the insurance then at least he got to drive and enjoy it. Hopefully he didn’t wind up underwater, like the car..
This story is kind of the reverse take on the advice about buying used supercars, old sports cars, motorcycles, airplanes etc. If you can’t afford a good one then you definitely can’t afford a bad one.
‘Oh, have any of us taken perfect care of our cars? I haven’t. Is there anyone who has done every bit of recommended maintenance, on schedule, every time?’
That would be my brother!
He has a 1998 Toyota 4Runner that is his daily drive to this day, accumulating almost 400,000 miles on its original motor and gearbox. He follows the maintenance schedule religiously and replaces the worn out parts dutifully and promptly. The paint is still gleaming red after almost twenty years. No rust whatsoever. The interior is still in decent condition aside from random stains (he has four children).
As much as I would be tempted in a similar situation (God forbid, I am grateful that both of my parents, 82 & 77 respectively, are in pretty good health) to take the plunge for a Boxster, I would likely opt for a loaded Mustang GT, and I would be happy for a long time!
Cautionary tale indeed. On the one hand, I see Scoutdude’s point – the guy got the money, bought the car, enjoyed the experience and now has the stories (and an insurance check). But that’s also not the way I’m wired.
This reminds me of what an old co-worker used to say: You could take all wealth in the country, divided it up equally among every single adult, and within 10 years we would be right back where we are now.
Hi, Jim. I see Scoutdude’s point too, and I’m not wired that way either. The scruffy $4,000 Miata in my garage is proof of that. But I have to take exception to what your co-worker used to say. Most people aren’t wired like Phil. Most people would take their share of the wealth and either invest it for retirement, or get out of debt, go to school, become more productive and have better lives as a result.
There should be a certain balance. A windfall of cash is a gift for sure. Being all sensible and boring about it is a waste, but a smart person does that at least SOME. Get a cool car or do some renovation on the house. But also pay off some debt and seed your retirement. $167K is a nice chunk but it isn’t really blow-it-all-on-a-supercar kind of money. That said, it sounds like Phil fell into a pile of shit and came out smelling like a rose.
“Most people…” Is that backed by the fact that the median retirement savings of US families between 56 and 61 is like $17,000?
And how many Americans treated their house like an ATM prior to the last crash, and how many bought real estate with loans they couldn’t really afford and had bad terms? I could go on.
I’d like to think you’re right, but i’m not too sure. The typical financial education/intelligence level is rather modest.
Your are correct many if not most people aren’t financially savvy. The house as an ATM is far too common. I’ve seen way too many houses go across the courthouse steps where the owner bought it 20 years ago for a modest price and then took more and more cash out until they tapped it dry and couldn’t keep up with the payments. Certainly some people took out that money for a good and valid reason for example to pay for school, medical bills, home repairs and in improvements. But many used that money to buy toys and more toys.
One that sticks out in my mind was a house that the person had paid something like $150k for 20 years ago. The last loan on the house was for $400K+ and looking the listings from their attempt to short sell, it was obvious that some of the money went into the house. However Google street view showed that newer expanded driveway was to hold the massive motor home, the flashy ski boat and the lifted pickup to tow it.
“The typical financial education/intelligence level is rather modest.”
Way to undersell that one! I work in the financial industry and spent some time selling new cars as well. Ive seen people making such abysmal bad decisions that my eye literally starts twitching. And we’re talking 30-40 somethings here, not people who are just able to legally buy beer. Its as if common sense and logic are actual super powers.
An interesting story to be sure; my opinion is that if the guy enjoyed owning and driving the car then it is not up to us to pass judgment. I wouldn’t consider using an exotic such as a Ford GT as a daily driver but, again, if it pleased the owner then so be it.
As an aside I actually got to drive a Ford GT once. It belonged to a former neighbor, he showed up at my house one Sunday afternoon and wanted to know if I wanted to go for a ride in his latest toy. I should add that George was a retired Air Force pilot who had previously owned several Porsches, a Corvette or two and the Viper he had owned when I first met him. So we took the GT out onto I64 and there was not much traffic. George ran the car up through the gears a couple of times and then asked me if I wanted to drive. I was a little hesitant but was told not to worry. We pulled into a rest area and changed seats, the only instruction I had was not to baby the shifter, that it required a firm hand to make sure the gears were engaged. I took off out of the rest area and have to say that the Ford GT was the fastest accelerating car I have ever driven, including the hemi Road Runner a friend owned back in the day. I didn’t pay any attention to the speedometer until after I shifted into 6th, at which point we were past 150 MPH and still accelerating. I took my foot off the gas and let the car coast back down to cruising speed. In retrospect that was not the safest thing to have done but I wouldn’t trade that experience for anything.
This is a great anecdote because it compares the driving experience of a relatively recent exotic (Ford GT) with that of a legendary one (Hemi Road Runner). The thing is, back in the day, a Hemi car was an expensive purchase, too, but few of them were babied. It usually cost the owner, too, because those high-strung, detuned race engines had a tendency to blow frequently. I figure this is why so many of them are still around: the original owner blew the engine, couldn’t afford to get it fixed, so it sat with a very good body in barn somewhere for years until the market exploded on such cars.
Regardless, in today’s world, there are way too few stories of someone (anyone) buying a pricey fast car and driving it regularly (or at least trying to). The subject of the article got a windfall and blew it on something that he got very little monetary return. But it had a big ‘enjoyment factor’ and, like many enthusiasts who blew a bunch of money on unwise vehicle choices, would likely have still done the same thing again if given the chance.
Simply put, by rational standards, cars (especially exotics), unless you really know what you’re doing (and aren’t swayed by emotion), are almost universally exceptionally bad investments. But, man, they sure can be fun. The analogy to beautiful women is appropriate.
Hmmm, I don’t know.
Unlike the woman, the exotic cars are paid off within 5-7 years and you still have something to ride in…..
Phil’s decision was terrible by most metrics, but if he enjoyed it and his marriage survived it, more power to him!
Heh, I have a couple of disparate thoughts on this:
One: Good for Phil! I’m a big believer in driving cars, not hiding them away. Forgive the crudeness, but that would be like not having sex with your spouse to preserve them for their next mate. This winter, here in salt-encrusted suburban Detroit, I saw a person driving their reasonably new Aston Martin. I think it was dark blue, but it was hard to tell for the layers of road salt on it. On one hand, it seemed like the wrong car-I can’t imagine an Aston Martin’s that great in the winter. On the other, I applauded the guy for driving it and enjoying it.
Two: Nothing nearly as grand as a Ford GT (which I’ve lusted over since I sat in #3, which was made for Bill Ford, in the Ford Photographic studio back when they were brand new), but I have a couple of friends that have done the used luxury car thing. Since they did it, I went with a 2003 Jaguar X-Type after I totaled the Fiesta ST. And, I definitely understand the maintenance thing now. On a Ford, you go to any parts store in any town anywhere and are offered six variations of the same part. On even my Baby Jag, it’s usually a trip to my local Jaguar retailer, where I get the privilege of paying four times as much for the Jaguar part. One of my two luxury-car driving friends actually got rid of his 150,000+ mile Mercedes SLK because he was so sick of the practically unfixable warning lights and fantastically expensive parts to keep it running.
“One: Good for Phil! I’m a big believer in driving cars, not hiding them away. Forgive the crudeness, but that would be like not having sex with your spouse to preserve them for their next mate.”
You just won CC!
Definitely a QOTD candidate:
Guy 1: Man, you sure have a beautiful wife. How’s the sex?
Guy 2: I don’t know. I can’t risk having sex with her because it might lower her value when I trade her in.
I find it a rather irrelevant analogy. Having good sex with your partner is like performing good maintenance on your car; not having sex is more like abusing them.
And there’s the financial element: Phil’s choice was obviously not a good one financially, and a very selfish one at that, from what little we know about their apparently precarious financial status. He only got bailed out by sheer luck, from the flood. If it hadn’t been for that and Phil was now in a serious financial bind, would you still think it was a good idea?
I made no comment on whether it was a good decision, just that it’s good he enjoyed the car as much as he could rather than making sure it remained in museum condition. I wouldn’t have spent the money the same way, but that’s between him and his spouse.
Even in rough condition he probably could have got a significant amount of cash for it, had he sold it. However he probably got more from the insurance company than he would selling it. Plus he probably wouldn’t have sold it for numerous reasons.
“not having sex is more like abusing them.”
Smartest thing Ive read online in a LONG time.
I think “good decision” and “good for Phil” are mutually exclusive, it was an incredibly stupid decision whose ultimate outcome was bolstered by pure luck, yet Phil has experienced a car, that so many dream about, in a way few outside of Ford’s own R&D department got to experience. It had to be “interesting” daily driving something like this.
I don’t endorse it, mind you, but deep down inside I know the right amount of emotions, happenstance and money in the bank could just as easily fuel a self destructive financial decision like this. We all have our vices afterall, cars are mine too, but luckily my tastes are way less exotic.
” We all have our vices afterall, cars are mine too, but luckily my tastes are way less exotic.”
Couldn’t have said that better myself. Guess its my blue collar, rock n roll ‘Merican roots. If money were no object, I could see myself going for a Viper or Audi R8 at some point, but thatd be WAY down on the priority list. A ’68 Charger, a topless Ramcharger, a 340 Duster, or another Jeep Scrambler would be on my ‘want it now’ list. So would a Hellcat Challenger and a Ram Rebel, but being that I could march into a dealership and check the boxes to make that happen, the sense of urgency isn’t quite there on those.
The tragedy here is that there was a happy medium. Phil could have bought a Ford Mustang GT or Volkswagen GTI. Sure, neither have the exclusivity of the GT, but he could have enjoyed having a performance car at a fraction of the price and possibly brought his family into the mix. A grown man with a wife and kids who takes all that inheritance money and spends it on a car is being incredibly selfish. I don’t really care about the fiscal responsibility aspect of the purchase because vacations or new clothes may also be a wasteful use of that money. But using all that money to get something for yourself when there is at least one other person in your life is incredibly awful.
Yeah, Phil went a little overboard on this, blowing the entire inheritance on a car. It’s quite like many people who suddenly come into a large sum (lottery winners) and quickly end up in worse financial shape than before they had won.
I would have thought he’d have gotten about 90% of the joy of driving a Ford GT with a much less expensive performance car, one that would have been much easier to live with day-to-day, and used the rest of the money for something else he could have shared with his family (vacations, home improvements, etc.). Seems like with that kind of plan, he’d have been happier in the long run.
Well in this case he was probably better off with purchasing the car vs buying stock or putting it in the bank since those cars appreciated significantly. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he got his purchase price back from the insurance company since they couldn’t determine that the car had problems before the flood.
Also who’s to say if his wife didn’t enjoy riding in it or driving it too.
But in general I agree If I received a windfall like that I certainly would buy myself a toy because I could but I certainly wouldn’t spend all of it and I’d buy my wife and kids some toys too as well as invest a good chunk of it too.
So maybe a Mustang GT convertible for me and it certainly would be available for the wife to drive some of the time. I certainly wouldn’t use it as a daily driver year round, but you can be certain if it was top down weather it would be my first choice that day, unless I was doing something like going to Home Depot to pick up lumber.
Maybe not. The big variable in Phil’s story is the pay-out he got from the insurance company. If it was one of those Lloyds of London type policies where it’s for the stated value of the car then, yeah, Phil did okay.
But something tells me that Phil wouldn’t be able to afford that kind of specialized, exotic car insurance and had to go with something substantially more prosaic. Something along the lines of him getting a more typical percentage of what any six-year old car with a lot of miles would get, regardless of the purchase price and what it might really be worth on the open market, even in a flood-damaged state. I’m guessing Phil got something like maybe half of his $127k back. Of course, he still might have made out if he could have bought back his GT from the insurance company, then resold it later.
The bottom line is I’m not quite convinced Phil’s investment was anywhere near what it might have been had he put his inheritance elsewhere. I don’t think he got to drive his exotic for free for six years and suspect he (and his poor Ford GT) took a substantial bath.
Well Hagerty says that average current value of a 2006 GT is $260K and they will insure it for “only” $500 per month. Not sure if Allstate or one of those providers would touch something like a GT.
Insurance payouts are not based on some formula of it loses X% value per year or mile, it is based on market pricing. For ordinary cars they will use NADA guide or KBB, and adjust for mileage and options. Don’t know what exactly someone like Allstate would do when they didn’t find it in the guide, assuming they would even write the policy in the first place.
Value on common cars is easy – kind of. Different guides give different numbers but they can also search dealer listings.
Stuff with little market activity is a crapshoot. I had enough trouble trying to get a reasonable offer on a much nicer than average 96 Honda Odyssey. Something like a Ford GT would probably come down to dueling professional appraisers.
I’m going to jump in here, as this is my bailiwick.
Phil would be very unlikely to have been ABLE to insure this car on a standard auto policy with a company like Allstate or State Farm, et al. Most of those companies have some sort of underwriting guideline that will exclude exotics or “specialty” vehicles, particularly of very high value. They just aren’t set up to charge enough premium to adequately make it all work, from an actuarial standpoint, to take the risk that someone like Phil isn’t going to total it in the first six months or leave it unattended in a “questionable” area…for whatever reason. Not to mention that if Phil lived in a middle class home, had a Nissan Altima on the other side of his driveway and wasn’t in possession of mansions and yachts in various other locales he would be considered a bit of a “red flag risk” for an underwriter considering risking $160,000 to cover this thing.
It’s quite a bit more likely that Phil had some type of specialty policy, most likely with some type of Agreed Value coverage (because that would probably be all he could get for something like this), so I’m of the optimistic opinion that Phil probably made out OK.
Also, having been born and raised in NJ and Having worked in the insurance industry there for nearly half my 25+ year career, I can almost guarantee that if he had insurance at all at the time of loss it was VERY CAREFULLY SCRUTINIZED by a TEAM of underwriters and written with some very strict guidelines and requirements. Hoboken is a fairly affluent area today, but is also one of Jersey’s quintessential Old School mob territories, so $160,000 worth of supercar parked (most likely garaged by insurance requirement) in Hoboken would not be insured by anyone without some pretty careful consideration and tight constraints.
With all this said from someone knowledgeable about the auto insurance industry, and that Phil paid cash for his GT (meaning he didn’t technically have to have insurance, especially if he let the registration lapse), my belief is that, after a while of it sitting idle, Phil let both his registration and high-priced insurance lapse. He might not even have went to the trouble of transferring the title to NJ after he moved. But if he did keep up the insurance, good for him, he ‘probably’ made out like a bandit thanks to the weather. At least there was a good chance of him getting fair market value for his less than pristine GT.
If he did let his insurance lapse (which, to me, is the more likely scenario), well, you know the rest of the story…
Definitely some mixed feelings on this. While I’m personally on board 100% with the “you only live once” mantra, daily driving a supercar just doesn’t make much sense. At the other end of the spectrum, every town in America has some miser hair shirting it not just in cars but living like they haven’t a dime to their name yet are actually loaded.
From experience I can tell you that when you watch a loved one slowly have to give up life’s little pleasures so they can keep going on, only to fade away to the point that theyre actually just done and have given up…that will absolutely jar your perspective on life.
My parents have owned a W126, W140 and an E61. They were offered to me many times before they were sold/traded in etc. I respectfully declined every time since I knew that I could never afford the upkeep.
I understand the neighbor’s logic, even though I don’t agree with it. My brother did some similar things with a large settlement from insurance for a severe motorcycle accident. The money was like sand in his fist, it ran out so quickly it was ridiculous. What was supposed to fund the rest of his life was spent on toys, questionable women, and fun. His excuse – he didn’t think he would live much longer, so he was bound and determined to enjoy it while he could. I hope he did, as he is still here, but his money is long gone. The Corvette convertible (yeah, for a heavy guy who is now mobility impaired! good choice), run into a wall after getting his ATM card denied, the RV that was used 4 times, the F250 and trailer for the Harley and it’s replacements, etc, all gone. But he enjoyed it. Hopefully, the same goes for the neighbor. To me, and to a lot of folks, security feels so much better than a quick reward.
My neigbour bought an enormous [by UK standards] motorhome a couple of months ago. 30,000 of our British quids it cost him!
So far he’s used it twice to go about thirty miles away.
I could have got several old electric guitars for that money and they would not be sitting out in the rain depreciating either
Speaking strictly from the trashing of many people’s dream car aspect, not all cars are destined to survive, even the most exotic few. I’m sure a flood or other natural disaster has wiped out at least another Ford GT, and that one most likely was pampered and never driven, a trophy for the truly wealthy – btw if you consider Phil’s insurance payout dumb luck, what do you call the acquisition of wealth that got one a collection of exotic cars in the first place? – is the car that was actually driven by the owner, who literally spent everything he had to get it, any more frustrating than the 5 mile museum piece that met the same fate? I’m not happy either one is gone now, but I’m glad one of them got flogged, just to know, as an enthusiast, that they could be.
I once read a story about a race-only Ferrari (maybe a ’57-’58 Testa Rossa) that was ordered by a wealthy woman to be driven on the street. Upon hearing of how she intended to use the car, Enzo himself ordered the car painted yellow with a green interior. Supposedly, the woman bought and kept the car exactly as Ferrari built it.
The point is, imagine if all manufacturers of exotic cars followed Ferrari’s example by configuring those ultra high-performance cars which will rarely be driven as intended with rather bad color combinations.
I’m going to cut ol’ Phil some slack here. The lucky bastard. How many of us got to purchase a new Ford GT and drive it daily for multiple years? Who cares if he couldn’t afford to maintain it? He certainly didn’t. It was his money (or lack thereof), his car, his choice. That’s all that matters.
The typical owner stashes his Ford GT away in a climate controlled garage and maybe takes it out to an occasional cars and coffee, if he drives it at all. Because “investment.”
Phil, on the other hand, takes his inheritance and buys the car of his dreams new, drives the hell out of it for 6 or 7 years and puts it away wet (literally!), and in the end collects an insurance check due to an act of God. Because “Chauncey Gardener.”
So, who got the better deal here?
James, well-shared and written. I wish I could reference this piece at the insurance company I work for – it so well illustrates why we look at the amount of experience someone has with ownership, care and operation of such vehicles.
I can’t see an insurance company crushing such a rare and exotic car as a Ford GT. I could see them auctioning it off to someone who completely strips and rebuilds it.
Insurance companies never crush a car, they put them all up for auction and then the market decides what happens to it. It is a total ball of metal with no salvegable parts then the scrapper picks it up, if there is still value in some of the parts but it is too far gone to save it goes to a wrecking yard as the scrappers will stop bidding sooner. If it is something that could be fixed then the people who specialize in either fixing it themselves or selling it to someone to fix will outbid the wrecking yards, though some wrecking yard do builders too.
Weirdly, if he had taken care of it this would have been a pretty good financial decision. Ford GTs have appreciated considerably since new. Hargerty has it valued at over $250.000 for an average example.
The thing is with a total submersion and the likelihood of sitting in the swill for sometime it would be pretty hard to determine which damage like scratches, paint chips were pre-existing or how nasty the interior was before the flood. They probably wouldn’t be able to even get a true mileage since I suspect the ODO is electronic. Which is why I stated above that he probably made out alright, unless he offered up that it wasn’t in excellent condition.
I wasn’t really talking about that. My point is that one could have bought a Ford GT in 2006, driven it for over 10 years and sell it today for a profit, even taking maintenance into account. Which is not something that could be said of many vehicles.
If I had been Phil, I would have leased the car for three years, the best of both worlds. Enjoy it new, but give it back before the problems start. Everyone has a different dream, the one that will probably never be attained. That is the one that can be fulfilled by a stroke of luck, the undeserved windfall. We can settle for our lesser dreams, the ones that actually have a chance of coming true with a little work, which is the mature choice. Phil made his choice, I hope that he did really enjoy it.
On the subject of old “special cars” well sometimes the dreams the main thing. Sometimes working on that special car is an important part of the process. Sometimes it seems to be the entire process. I’m in the middle of that process with several cars right now, it’s still pretty satisfying.
Remarkable tale, suspensefully told. I couldn’t possibly do such a thing (too cautious) yet I can’t help envying the choice, and the daily driving. Every other Ford GT was bought for relief of status anxiety by the rich, for the vacuous purpose of driving only on occasions to be seen. The neighbour here dreamt well past waking, and doubtless suffered, but James gave the real clue for the irrationality: grief. The unforseen death of someone close can leave you very far from your moorings.
Wow, lots of comments. I did not read them all and possibly say the same that someone else did.
This car took as much money as my house is worth. I’d like to drive an exotic / dream car some time. To me the perfect solution is to drive a few laps on a closed circuit with a driving instructor. It’s much less expensive, I don’t have to worry about some idiot cutting in front of me or putting the curb rash on the rims and it’s such a memorable experience. I’ll be at Speedvegas next week.
Does anyone remember Malibu Grand Prix? Ironically, it was originally a John Delorean idea that someone else developed. The ‘formula’ cars were powered by rotaries and if you got a good enough time with one of those three times in a row on the closed course, you got to graduate to a faster car powered by a Kawasaki engine. Helmets were required.
And it wasn’t too expensive, either. I know they closed a lot of them but don’t know if any are left. For the vast majority of us, it was about as close as we’d ever get to a real racecar experience.
I believe that there is one still going in north Tampa, but as I recall, the carts were just regular “lawn mower engine” powered things that worked for an 11-year-old but not so much for an adult. It would have been more fun had there been the carts you describe. There are cart tracks still out there that can give an enthusiast thrills. One local one, Anderson Park in Palmetto FL was frequented by Dan Wheldon in the off season prior to his early demise. IT is the more affordable option for those who want the thrill of a race car without the expenses of owning and maintaining one.
It sounds like someone bought one of the old, defunct Malibu Grand Prix places and just stuck some old, grungy kid go-carts on it. The original cars were definitely not lawn-mower engine powered. Keeping your foot in the throttle throughout the course was simply not possible; you had to learn to modulate the throttle to get the best times. Likewise, a helmet was required to be worn. The cars themselves had enclosed, formula-type bodies.
My guess is that the upkeep and maintenance on the original cars was a huge financial drain which didn’t offset what they were charging for the ride. There were a lot of times when the ‘fast’ car was not running and unavailable. Not to mention that constant, ham-fisted driving over the berms would make short work of the cars’ suspensions. It’s too bad because, even though it cost more than a typical go-cart ride, it was still a whole lot cheaper than investing in an exotic car, and you got nearly the same driving thrill.
I haven’t seen this mentioned. Since he had to tow it to his new home, and was having financial difficulties, I wouldn’t be surprised if he left the insurance lapse. Maybe someone ended up with it as a rebuildable wreck.
The opposite of Phil’s story is a collector in PA who took his GT from the car carrier to a roll back to his wharehouse. I think it had 3 miles or less and still wrapped in the factory plastic.
Yeah, too many unknowns to be able to say Phil made out okay with the way he drove his GT. Honestly, I think he should have bought a new Corvette, used the rest of the money for something else, and called it a day.
As far as an investment goes, the stashing away of a brand-new exotic is much more typical and, truth be told, if done as described, the Ford GT wasn’t a bad one since the owner would effectively double their money over the course of ten years.
Of course, I always wonder about the ancillary costs, such as the proper, climate-controlled storage and insurance of an undriven vehicle over the same time frame. I’m just not so convinced that you ever get the most return on any car purchase, even in the best of circumstances.
Its a very unique thing to see a Ford GT being used as a daily driver, and there is a real good reason why.
I am so sorry for us men, we never really grow up, do we ?
When my father passed, we bought a house and I started my own business from my inheritance some 20 years ago.
As a real tight Dutchman, we were tight, I used my 1967 mint Peugeot 404 as a daily driver. It was a great and exciting time, we were very successfull and business was great.
The thing with the 404 was, if my customer would see the car he’d talk about the Peugeot, his father, uncle, grandfather, girlfriend’s father or brother once had one, and nine out of ten I stood outside with the order in my hand !
I dreamt of a Range Rover which I later bought but used, with low mileage and paid for.
But after 12 months one night when I was pumping another shipload of very heavily taxed Dutch gas in the car I’d had it with the Range, the next week I was able to sell it and I bought back a used VW TDI Diesel
Last year I sold my businesses and went into semi retirement.
Although I am a carfreak there is no need for some weird exotic, I have passed that station in life, an old wrinkled man driving some Italian exotic ?
Thanks but no thanks.
I even sold off the 404 after 23 years, it was sitting in my garage being used as a dorm for my cats.
The guy who bought it his father was a Peugeot dealer in the good old days, he is in love with the car and has taken good care of it.
Love over gold.
The company that bought me out looked at the books and decided to give me my 10 year old Alfa 159 Diesel for free, such an old banger their accountant said. I saind thank you, very generous !
When he saw my blood red 159 Diesel he could not believe that a 10 year old Alfa could lookso good.
I had been decent enough not to have given it an extensive service with cambelt change four new tyres and a large service whilst still being a company car.
But I do not intent to part from this Alfa not for a long long time, you see it stil makes me smile when I am behind the wheel and to me, that is what it is all about !
Kirk who does all my exhaust works, got in a brandy new Ford GT and chopped off the exhaust and made one up for the owner who didn’t like they way Ford’s exhaust sounded, the car was placed into daily driver service and why not if you can afford it and you like it ? .
-Nate
Honestly, if I had the means to own such a car(although mine would probably be the 2002 LPE Corvette, as it was only $165,000 and did 0-60mph in 1.97 seconds), I would do the same thing. Yeah, his GT was beaten pretty badly, but why would you buy a car and not drive it?
To each his own, but if I had the money to do what he did, I would have done the same thing. He got to live an experience, that some of us will only be able to experience through a simulation-style video game such as Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo.