The GT6 reminds me a bit of the Porsche Cayman. Both started out as roadsters, and the addition of a fastback hard roof was something of a mixed bag, stylistically. But they both benefited from improved performance and better handling, the GT6 relatively even more so. It got a bigger boost in the engine compartment, thanks to the two liter inline six from the Triumph 2000 sedan instead of the little 1.3L four in the Spitfire.
The Spitfire’s rear swing axles—which had cultivated a bit of a rep for being tricky at the limit—were kept, and somewhat surprisingly (or not) the handling with them on the GT6 was noticeably improved. There was a good reason for that, and the answer is under the hood—and in the article.
The GT6’s formula was a bit unusual, at least for a European manufacturer. On the other hand, it wasn’t all that new, as Triumph had already implanted the same basic six, in 1.6L form, into the Herald, resulting in the Vitesse.
The 95 hp 1998 cc ohv six had already developed a reputation as being a sweet-running unit, with a wide torque band yet willing to rev to 6000 rpm if need be. In the tested car, its nicely-shifting four speed transmission was teamed with the optional Laycock-De Normanville overdrive unit, which in this application was deemed to be somewhat superfluous, as top speed gearing in the non-OD version was already fairly leisurely. With the OD, the final drive ration was lowered (increased numerically) from 3.27:1 to 3.89:1, which almost negated the need for its first gear. What’s the point, then?
Performance was decent, but hardly outstanding, with a 12.3 second 0-60 and the quarter mile taking 18.8 @75 mph. But the torquey little six made it effortless to drive briskly, and it certainly was in a class or two above the basic Spitfire in that regard.
Regarding its handling Road and Track wisely said “we approach any car with conventional swing axles with a little apprehension, but we found the GT6 could not be faulted in its handling”. Why was it less tricky than the Spitfire? Because the larger engine placed more of the car’s weight in the front, to 56%, “which is probably a good thing with swing axles”. True that. Swing axles intrinsically became more problematic as the percentage of any given car’s weight increased over them. There were many front engine RWD cars built in Germany and other countries in the 1930s, 1940s and later that did not exhibit the issues that cars like the Tatra V8 and such did.
“For ordinary to brisk driving, the car steer neutrally and simply goes where it’s steered with great apparent stability” Of course the tail of the Gt6 could be brought out at will either with the throttle or by tweaking the steering wheel. But breakaway was deemed to be smooth, resulting in a bit of oversteer that “can be enjoyed and utilized by a moderately skilled driver while never crossing up an unskilled one”. And the benefit of course was that its rear axle didn’t hop and skip over uneven surfaces, especially during cornering, precisely the vice that independent rear suspensions like swing axles were designed to eliminate.
There were some ergonomic shortcomings, most egregiously the lack of headroom for drivers six feet or taller. No wonder I never had the desire to get in one. Braking was good, and the quality of the interior finish and materials was better than average.
Stylistically, the GT6 was a mixed bag. One either liked or didn’t like the grafted-on fastback, undoubtedly an effort to catch some of the excitement about the XK-E. But a number of elements of the GT6’s exterior design were flawed and compromised, like the clumsy multiple light units and the chrome beading on the top of the fenders, covering up the otherwise exposed seam. It may have been a poor man’s XK-E, but certain obvious differences in what one got for the money were a bit glaring. But R&T summed it up by saying “it’s worth the money”.
For some reason, Triumph found it necessary to address the ‘faultless’ handling of the GT6 long before they did anything about the Spitfire’s swing axle issues. The GT6+ arrived in 1969 with outboard Rotoflex couplings and its rear suspension uprights articulated between the lower control arms and leaf spring to provide control over camber changes. The result was good but expensive, and so Triumph reverted to a swing axle design for the MKIII, but they added a swing-spring to eliminate rear roll stiffness and prevent the outboard wheel from jacking under cornering loads.
Has there ever been a case of a car magazine documenting the treacherous handling of a car during a new model introduction review? I spent about thirty years reading how every new Porsche 911 finally resolved the dangerous lift-throttle oversteer of the previous model. I don’t recall reading the article where they said the car they were testing needed to be improved.
There was at least one:
As we approached our first tight corner I mentioned this [throttle steering] to Leutge. “No—No!” he cried. “Do that and the rear end comes swinging around. With these pendulum axles you have to be careful. The oversteer isn’t much if you have competition springs, but with standard springs you must watch it all the time”…Further checking with men who have driven 300SL’s in competition verified this as the one-and-only technique for keeping out of trouble during high-speed cornering. With this car you do not horse around with throttle steering.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142388/mercedes-benz-300sl-road-test-review/
Thank you for the link! My car magazine collection begins in the ’60s, and I don’t have any SCG-era stuff. I wonder if Car and Driver changed their modus operandi due to their fight against Ralf Nader’s efforts to get the nanny state camel’s nose under the automotive tent? It was one thing to say that a sports car required skill and judgement when men were free to make their own decisions. It became something else once authoritarians set their sights on making those decisions for all of the little people.
Re the 911 I thought the same! Every 911 tested by Wheels and Modern Motor claimed “the traditional Porsche oversteer” is much reduced” -or words to that effect. It went on for seemingly forever, to the point where I started to wonder if the 911 was now an understeerer!
Yes that engine from the Standard Vanguard got a very long life in the new Herald and larger Triumph range but did they not notice the alterations to the rear suspension since 1959 when it first debuted in the Herald.The rear jacking becomes less of a problem if you arent scared of going sideways.
I think the Mk.3 very successfully tackled the issue of the rear lights.
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A”poor mans XKE” for sure. The engine was silky smooth even in my knacked Vitesse MK2. I burned off a kid in a Golf GTI MK 1 at the lights!. A 13 sec 0-60 mph looms slow today but back in the 60s European performance was about the quickest point to point ob a twisty road which these cars did,.. Ok.
The overdrive was worth the money as it brought a six speed gearbox ,in effect. Switch on in 3rd gave gear “3/12” . Great for keeping the revs up on those twisty English lanes. On 4th dropped the revs for highway cruising.
The GT6 was so underated compared to the MGs.
If I had a bucket list, this would be on it, always loved the look of these.
I have had 5 GT6s, and though not neck snapping off the line, once underway they are quite capable. Even modern cars can be given some difficulty following if the right driver is in tbe GT6. Another bonus is they are comfortable and a bit more refined than other Triumphs. I just did about 300 miles this past Sunday in my late 73 mon rotoflex one. Over Guanella and Loveland passes in Colorado.
Say, did somebody said swing axles? To quote Banty to Foghorn Leghorn in 1952’s WB cartoon, Sock a Doodle-Do, “I hear the bell, I gotta start punchin.”
The handling verdict is interesting. There’s a Car magazine test from 1967 (comparing it to an MGBGT) which says in essence that Triumph made the rear stiff and – perhaps crucially – gave the wheels lots of static negative camber to counter the inherent issues. However, they don’t offer R&T’s level of praise, saying that the transition from under-to-oversteer is abrubt, and can catch a driver out, especially if a panic brake in mid-corner. They also say most drivers (presumably on their staff) resorted to flicking the car into a bend and using the throttle to make best use of the oversteer characteristic. It doesn’t sound radically better than the Spitfire/Herald really.
As ever with my favorite rear suspension type, for most drivers there has to be either a work-around or caution.
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I rather like the look of the GT6 but never tried to sit in one either.
I once worked for a British fellow who was small in stature, very intellectually sharp and quick witted. We used to say he would have made an ideal Spitfire pilot, and I suppose that would have made him the ideal GT6 driver as well.
I had 71 Spitfire back in the day and several Midgets and MGB’s. My buddy had a real nice 71 GT-6 ….got to drive it a lot. The swing axels never put me in the ditch….good tires and a bit of common sense went far.
All these little jewels are the most fun on a budget one could hope for. At almost 71 I have a Spitfire project on the go….done soon I hope.
I hillclimbed and got my SCCA competition license in a GT6 I helped build about 40 years ago. I’m 6ft-4 “. No camber issues when airborne at Weatherly Hillclimb in the early 80s.
It looks like modifications were made to limit suspension travel.
Have owned a 73 Rotoflex GT6 for 10 years and its a beautifull cruising car very comfortable reliable economical fast with excellent road handling catch me if you can performance. One thing you should NOT do with a GT6 is put bigger wheels on it(thats when problems begin) standard is perfect.
Growing up in the ’60’s European sports cars were seldom seen on my neighborhood streets. I was intrigued by the concept, but they were so slow compared to American performance cars. I did find the Triumph Spitfire attractive just on it’s looks, and I actually got a short ride in new model that belonged to a co worker. I stayed away from sports cars until I bought my ’90 Civic SI and “got it.” Then I had a couple of Datsun and Nissan Z cars. I still find the Spitfire attractive, but I don’t know if if I want a car that small and Spartan. I’ve kind of found my niche with the Mustang.
I don’t believe the Standard Vanguard derived engine was ever fitted in the Triumph Herald. The physically smaller engine in the Herald, and Spitfire came from the Standard 10 and other compact Standard. The larger 4-cylinder engine from the Vanguard was used in the TR2, TR3 and TR4.
One fact not really mentioned in this discussion is that the Mk III GT6 in 1973 dropped the roto-flex and adopted the simpler “swing spring” design also used on the Spitfires from 1971 onwards. This was a fairly ingenious solution to allow some leaves for the transverse leaf spring to effectively pivot around the central mounting which virtually eliminates the “tuck-in” effect.
As the “swing spring” arrangement avoided the risky tuck-in over steer and handled just about as well as the much more expensive Roto-flex set up. It was I believe mainly a manufacturing cost decision though the roto-flex couplings (rubber donuts) were also troublesome and sometimes had pretty short service life, so the swing spring was much more robust and reliable.
With the six cylinder engine, the Herald became the Vitesse.
Funny thing I remember about a writeup on this car a few years later (early 70’s) probably in Consumer Reports. The thing I remember from 50 years ago is that they flagged the seats as being really questionable in that the top cushions didn’t line up or something and they couldn’t imagine who might be comfortable in such a car. Maybe the packaging had something to do with the odd alignment of the seatback to the seat cushion? In general they panned the car, something they were wont to do if they found something to dislike, it often was accompanied by lots of other (often questionable in my mind) issues they also disliked. (one reason I stopped reading it sometime in the 80’s).
My Mother doesn’t drive anymore (stopped this year) but she’s always had scoliosis, the effects of which have gotten worse with age…I thought depending on which way the seatbacks are directed, it might be an apt car for her (other than being really low to enter and exit). She’s tiny, 4’8″ about 83 lbs, probably in her younger days this could have worked for her…but my Father never bought sports cars (closest was an ’80 Omni, which was more sporty but not a sports car) since they had a family, even his 2nd (commuter) car was capable of seating more than 2 albeit for short distances.
I had a 1968 GT 6. Bought it just after I turned 17…it was already my 3rd car.
I remember it as being a very smooth highway car. Overdrive helped. Even though it only had 25,000 miles on it there always seemed to be at least a couple of smaller issues with it.
As for the handling: Yes, a few times in fast, sweeping curves experienced sudden, heart-in-mouth oversteer. Being 17 and totally unskilled I touched the brakes (the worse thing to do). These were definitely spin crash and burn cars. I’m lucky to be alive.
At 69 years old I might be able get in one, getting out might be a challenge.
Looking back I should have bought a Buick Skylark.